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Vietnam has just done damage to itself worth more than ten oil rigs and half the Paracel islands.

Who will invest in you now you fools?

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Very reminiscent of the demonstrations again Japan in China not so long ago. Lots of schadenfreude in Japan these days.

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Vietnam is playing with fire by manipulating violent protests. Same as China did by inciting against Japanese nationals.

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Vietnam has just done damage to itself worth more than ten oil rigs and half the Paracel islands.

Who will invest in you now you fools?

Fools? Countries don't have to kow-tow to China and go begging for its investment. To do so would be to give in to China using its economic power for political gain and land grabs. Vietnam should attract non-Chinese investment. Frankly, the more countries that do so the better.

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Countries don't have to kow-tow to China

Who said they had to kow-tow?

Should I prove I don't kow-tow to you by beating up your brother? I hesitate to say kill even though two innocent Chinese people were murdered.

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If the demonstrations are not successfully brought under control by the Vietnamese government, there could be a shift from a "China-Plus-One" strategy to a "Vietnam-Plus-One" strategy by the companies involved.

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Vietnam should attract non-Chinese investment.

By killing Chinese workers and destroying Taiwanese factories?

They have proven they cannot tell the difference between China and Taiwan. Why should anyone be so confident they could tell the difference between say, Canada and America if there was a sudden rise in anti-American sentiment?

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This is a sensible decision. They should protect innocents.

However, the CPC should also stop increasing tensions in the area, and stop pursuing these bogus claims.

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Vietnam, as the rest of Asia already knows has to show to CHINA to not push their luck! Stupid China is already pushing their luck not only with Vietnam but with the Philippines, with Japan, with South Korea and even with India and slowly but sure against Russia and let us not forget Mongolia. So, stupid greedy BEIJING is already full of problems with their own people, the regular Han Chinese and then you have problems with Tibet and also with their Muslim minorities so what better way DISTRACT your millions of hungry, ignorant peasants in CHINA than by starting these problems with smaller Asian neighbors, right BEIJING?? But VIETNAM in no push over, just ask any US Marines that fought there and the USA was only the latest foreign invader, while CHINA has been trying for over 2,000 years to get its hands on VIETNAM!! Yes, China has been trying to get is great, sweaty hands on the people, the lands of Vietnam for a long, long time so our amigos in VIETNAM know how to show the Chinese what will happen if they push Vietnam into a corner and now the fools in BEIJING are scratching their fat greasy heads and butts saying, "Ok, it look like plan A backfired, now what we do with them Vietnamese that are tough as nails?" Most likely many, many CHINESE factories will have to close down but no big deal, the Vietnamese can quickly find say JAPANESE investors etc...

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Human beings have a propensity to run in packs. Yesterday Ukraine, today Vietnam, tomorrow who knows where?

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It's interesting to watch posters who decried China for doing the exact same thing now cheer on Vietnam. It's pretty clear they're not against the violent protests, but just against one nation in particular. Vietnam does not have to be violent to protest or oppose China's presence, and by resorting to said violence they are proving no better than the Chinese who do the same. This will hurt other investment for them as well.

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"But VIETNAM in no push over, just ask any US Marines that fought there and the USA was only the latest foreign invader"

Elbuda Mexicano:

Not to rewrite history or anything, but they U.S. never invaded Vietnam. What started out as sending military advisors to their South Vietnamese allies, turned into a gradual build up of forces there. China was actually the last foreign invader into Vietnam when they sent 80,000 PLA troops across their border with Vietnam in the late '70s.

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Let me ask this to the wider audiences from all different backgrounds. What would you do if your country been push around for many years and slowly fall into the hand of the aggressor. In addition, what would you do if your neighbour claim haft of your driveway? What will come naturally? Are you going to give your neighbour the other haft of the driveway just to make him feel good about you? Just like helping, a friend financially is not enough to justify taking over his pride possession, which is his land. Nobody will give up his or her land without a good fight.

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"Contested waters"? Pfft, they moved the oil rig within 120 miles from Vietnam's coast, and the UN law is that 200 nautical miles from the coast is the country's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), this is a clear violation and infringement of Vietnam's sovereignty, I guess we will see an impossible, Vietnam allying with USA.

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"It's interesting to watch posters who decried China for doing the exact same thing now cheer on Vietnam."

I'm with you on this one. I think Vietnam does have sovereignty over this area, but why is it ok to incite riots and violence against innocent Chinese people? Only because the corrupt Chinese government did the same to Japanese people in China?

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I don't condone these types of incidents.

But one wonders how many of these people being evacuated offered moral or vocal support to the Chinese rioters who attacked Japanese citizens and torched their businesses a few years ago.

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Protest is OK, killing innocent people is never OK.

200 nm EEZ doesn't apply if it overlaps another country's border. The oil rig is only 12 miles from the Paracel Islands (or Xisha islands) which is under the jurisdiction of the Xisha City, China.

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Why killing and all the violence? They just proved they are even worse than Chinese when it comes to protest against another nation.

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In fact this is a chance for Vietnamese to kick out those selfish China companies! China companies bring no benefits to Vietnam at all! They used Vietnam's natural resources, poisoned the nation environment but refused to use Vietnam labors! I brought thousands of China workers to the country cause many troubles in society! It's better to attract non-Chinese investors who can not only benefits their business but also help local Vietnamese people by giving them jobs and training their skills!

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Vietnam is reacting just the way China wants it to react. Next come the declaration that China has to protect its citizens. Then, the tank, troops, and navy move in the the area. Putin has learned his lessons from the master.

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Ha, Ha, PAYBACK Time (Simpson's Character voice ).

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The Vietnamese should destroy the Chinese rig. It's time the thieving Chinese were stopped.

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And what about this?

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Why do people always take things out on other people because they are from a country where the government does things that the people do not necessarily support? We need to learn it is not the people of a country but the government and politicians in a country who are the ones doing the bad things. Most people are nice and can not help where they were born. We are not responsible for what our government does, we are responsible for what we do.

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noriyasan: "Vietnam is reacting just the way China wants it to react."

Your post does not even make sense. So, if you support Vietnam in standing against China, do you not support the riots in China against Japanese companies? You only prove my point, thank you.

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They have proven they cannot tell the difference between China and Taiwan. Why should anyone be so confident they could tell the difference between say, Canada and America if there was a sudden rise in anti-American sentiment?

Well you'd have to speculate and calculate if there was a real likelihood of that happening. But there's another dimension to the story anyway. Some Taiwanese businesses have been employing Chinese workers over local Vietnamese workers, so the protests are apparently also a chance for these Vietnamese to vent their anger at bad bosses, poor conditions and low pay. Singaporean and Thai businesses are also accused of similar things.

I haven't seen anyone on this page supporting murder or even outright support of rioting. China, however, is clearly discomfited at receiving a taste of its own medicine and the bystander must surely hope that it gives them food for thought in a way that diplomatic protests surely would not.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27435612

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In fact this is a chance for Vietnamese to kick out those selfish China companies! China companies bring no benefits to Vietnam at all! They used Vietnam's natural resources, poisoned the nation environment but refused to use Vietnam labors! I brought thousands of China workers to the country cause many troubles in society!

@Le Thi Bao Tram: Good on ya ! You've nailed there!. Many China's steel and chemical factories in Vietnam are installed with yesteryear technology, many couldn't even pass the sloppy environmental standard in China. I guess that why they shifted to Vietnam in the first place. If you are not careful, very soon, your beautiful country will become a dumping ground for China chemical plants swipe out the ecosystem. Chinese companies bring in many workers with nationalist attitude looking down on local people, creating more problem than benefits. I guess that is the new way for China to invade another countries.. Time to get rid of them bad old technology from your country.

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hatsoff: "I haven't seen anyone on this page supporting murder or even outright support of rioting. China, however..."

I have. You included. Or wait, did you not say this in your initial post?:

"Frankly, the more countries that do so the better."

Always gotta love the 'however' that you throw in later. So you support what they are doing, is what you are saying, even though you support it because Vietnam is 'sticking it to China' when if China does the same thing you berate China for its acts. Hmmm.... I'd love to look up what that makes you in a dictionary, but I don't need to. Starts with "h", ends in "ypocrite"... I mean, save for the fact that you have done nothing but cheer on one side for doing something the other you proclaimed to abhor did.

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I just love it how China is getting a taste of its own medicine, with the rampaging mobs in Vietnam. What goes around comes around? I hope it is a learning experience for the bosses in Peking.

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@smithinjapan: Riots involved senseless destruction of properties & violence must be condemned any where..

Just remember Karma.....there's smoke, there's fire.....

Google translate and read this: Poor Vietnamese fisherman are beaten up by China's paramilitary thugs on a weekly basis since this early year. These two are the lucky survivals this week... I would be damn angry too if hearing my countrymen are mistreated like this by China on a weekly basis..

http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/pages/20140518/luc-luong-kiem-ngu-trung-quoc-danh-dap-hai-ngu-dan-viet-nam-den-ngat-xiu.aspx

Here is the news this week of a mass poisoning of 700 female workers in a factory in the north. The suspected chemical used in the water is a odorless neuron chemical agent: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2014/05/18/2003590635

This factory is located in the same northern province with Formosa construction site, where China nationals and local construction workers clashed at the site in the following day. Sadly, more than a 150 injuries and two fatalities. It was a very volatile weeks for Vietnam !.

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Remember the anti Japanese riot in China back then?

Now,China tasting their own medicine.

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Ha, ha, ha. What goes around comes around. Anti - Japan riots , remembet China ? Suck it up , weak man of China!!!

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splksgt96: "Anti - Japan riots , remembet China ?"

So you're saying you are FOR the riots in China? I mean, since you support these riots and all.

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@ Smith

hatsoff: "I haven't seen anyone on this page supporting murder or even outright support of rioting. China, however..."

I have. You included. Or wait, did you not say this in your initial post?:

"Frankly, the more countries that do so the better."

Really, Smith... Selective, out of context quotes is what tabloid newspapers do. I said, "Vietnam should attract non-Chinese investment. Frankly, the more countries that do so the better." I need hardly explain that the sentence you quoted refers to economic investment.

As for hypocrisy, well I like your dramatic little flourish with the dictionary reference but China is hoist by its own petard so your comparisons between these two countries' actions are not one and the same.

China is a bully in the region. It uses organized violence and physical aggression to further its political aims and land grabs. It ignores diplomatic channels - pulling out of the international court proceedings with the Philippines and sending its aircraft carrier to the region, attacking the Philippines' ships as they tried to deliver food to their fellow sailors on the beached ship, re-drawing maritime boundaries, ignoring diplomatic protests and bringing an oil rig into the area, ramming Vietnamese boats...I haven't even mentioned their anti-Japanese action yet and I don't need to.

When a bully gets a taste of its own medicine, hypocrisy is not the first word that comes to mind.

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hatsoff: "As for hypocrisy, well I like your dramatic little flourish with the dictionary reference but China is hoist by its own petard so your comparisons between these two countries' actions are not one and the same."

My comparison was between your comments on China doing what it did and Vietnam doing what it is doing. You are against one, and for the other. All you can do to try and justify they hypocrisy is say "China is a bully!" while suggesting that bullying is the proper answer. Thank you for proving my point.

"When a bully gets a taste of its own medicine, hypocrisy is not the first word that comes to mind."

It is the first and only word when you cheer it on after decrying it based solely on region. Well done.

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It is the first and only word when you cheer it on after decrying it based solely on region. Well done.

Hmm, well to play with your dictionary motif for a moment, my dictionary defines 'cheer' thus: to applaud with shouts / to urge or encourage with shouts. An objective look at my posts will find no shouting in evidence, though I do see cheering in other posts subsequent to my first response to you.

Furthermore, "based solely on region" - by which I take it you mean China - is an assumption without evidence or foundation. A bully is a bully, whether that's China or not.

Vietnam has gone the diplomatic route and had its ships rammed by China and an oil rig brought in but I suppose you'd rather Vietnam just bend over and smile.

When a bully gets a taste of its own medicine, hypocrisy is not the first word that comes to mind.

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hatsoff: "Furthermore, "based solely on region" - by which I take it you mean China - is an assumption without evidence or foundation."

And yet you immediately knew what I was referring to. That's called guilt.

"A bully is a bully, whether that's China or not."

As if I needed to back it up. Here's the thing... it's only a bully when it's China, as far as you are concerned. Or is Vietnam a bully? or Japan when it privatized islands in a disputed area and China did the exact same thing Vietnam is doing now?

Okay, let's settle this. Just say you are for or against what Vietnam is doing. If you are for, you're a hypocrite. If not, you admit what they are doing is wrong and bullying. Which is it? and please don't bother with the "b--b-b-b-b-b-but it's DIFFERENT!" attempt to justify hypocrisy.

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Smith, you're inventing your own definitions and expecting everyone to play by your rules as if you had the credibility. I knew what you were referring to therefore it must be guilt? That deduction is really too funny but if it makes you happy then be my guest and feel good about it.

You take things out of context, selectively quote and wilfully make wrongful extrapolations. Sorry pal but I don't play that kind of game.

I've got nothing to settle though this has seemed to have stoked your ire. I don't think Vietnam is a bully and I don't think Japan nationalizing the Senkaku Islands was bullying (the alternative would have been ishihara buying the islands). I do think China is a bully, which means I do think their actions are different from the other nations mentioned.

You want a black and white answer - too simplistic. Let's hear what you would have Vietnam do. Let's hear your condemnation of China's actions that precipitated the rioting.

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You want a black and white answer - too simplistic.

Nonsense. The riots in China were bad enough. The riots in Vietnam were worse as people are dead. Both bouts of violence were dead wrong, and if one is a bully for it, so is the other.

I don't think Vietnam is a bully

I have to agree with Smith. This is brazenly hypocritical. Can't even imagine what else to talk with you about until you recognize that.

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