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Chinese ambassador warns Canada to stop rallying allies

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Agreed, Canada seems to be screwing up constantly lately. Their hollow virtue signalling is tiresome and fake

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Dictators like Xi and Putin are only able to maintain power by keeping the troughs open for oligarchs such as the Meng family. Xi is threatened by Canada's legal actions. This is why he is panicking.

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Dear Canada,

Don't worry about it. We got your back.

From

The People of the United States

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China will not be isolated

China has no real ally, except NK, but they're a liability.

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Ah ha ha ha, yes dictatorship please try and tell free nations what to do.. it won't end well.

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The more they demand, the more opposition they will create. They are not the US where "legitimacy" can be rationally explained. Chinese demands most often cannot be legitimized for the rational world to understand.

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This is perfect for Canada. Canada will seem less appealing to Chinese. BC already has too many mainland China people crowding Vancouver and buying up real estate.

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Agreed, Canada seems to be screwing up constantly lately. Their hollow virtue signalling is tiresome and fake

How so? The whole thing stems from the arrest Meng Wanzhou, which they were obligated to do under treaty.

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Interesting that Ambassador Lu Shaye would so vehemently warn Canada against barring Huawei (a so-called employee-owned company) from 5G in Canada. It's almost as if the government of China has some deep interest in the company.

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Over the past couple of months, Canada has managed to infuriate both Saudi Arabia and China. It must be doing something right. Keep up the good work, eh?

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I wonder what exactly Chinese community in Canada is thinking .

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This is an issue that not only concerns Canada but a much broader international community," Freeland said. "There is a large and growing group of allies who share Canada's concerns about the rule of law."

she is right

China will not be isolated in the international community and will not waver in our position simply because of the objection of another country."

Yes you will on both accounts you punk!

Interesting that Ambassador Lu Shaye would so vehemently warn Canada against barring Huawei (a so-called employee-owned company) from 5G in Canada. It's almost as if the government of China has some deep interest in the company.

Exactly. Yet the company founder claims no connection. The company AND the country are crooked as a dog's hind leg.

This is perfect for Canada. Canada will seem less appealing to Chinese. BC already has too many mainland China people crowding Vancouver and buying up real estate.

So true. They are ruining it for the rest of the people there

Over the past couple of months, Canada has managed to infuriate both Saudi Arabia and China. It must be doing something right. Keep up the good work, eh?

exactly.

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Agreed, Canada seems to be screwing up constantly lately. Their hollow virtue signalling is tiresome and fake

How dare they.

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If China doesn’t want an open free society and the West has no ability to have economic sway, so be it. I myself want to continue through reasonable expression be heard and to hear others.

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Canadians are very kind and peaceful people.Maybe the only true Multicultural country in the world.

Trudeau has done nothing but escalate tensions with China. Canada did backstab them with the Huawei arrest.

Trudeau talks big but Trump has him on a leash when it comes to international diplomacy.

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I'm certainly no fan of China, but at some point Canadians probably need to ask themselves whether blindly enforcing the US sanctions regime against Iran and poking China in the eye is actually in their own long-term national interest. Let the US enforce their own political sanctions.

After Lu's interview, Freeland said: "The detention of Ms. Meng is a matter of rule of law. It is matter of Canada acting according to its international treaty obligations.

Sorry but the rule of law argument rings hollow. Politicians make the laws and they can be altered overnight in exactly the same way as they are in China. The only material difference between Canada and China is the number of people who need to agree to the change. In China it's 1 while in Canada it rises to about 170. Trudeau and his parliamentary majority could table a bill tomorrow barring the extradition of third country nationals accused of violating a sanctions regime. They would not be in violation of any treaty obligations with the US seeing as extradition requests are just that, requests.

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China is so goofy these days, I really wonder who approves these statements.

They love to shoot themselves in the foot. I mean how in the world do they think this enhances their image?

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China's diplomats are not very diplomatic.

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”China's ambassador warns Canada to stop rallying allies" is the title and theme of this piece.

In a previous post which the moderator said was 'off topic' I pointed out that

Japan is an ally of Canada (and certainly not of China)

Japan has remained silent and not supported Canada on this issue

The reason may be that Japan's legal system has more similarities with China than with Canada, eg the Ghosn case.

Expect Abe to get 'rallied' to support Canada at Davos.

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China doesn't understand what having allies means.

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I hope this diplomat was informed that his comments will be treated with respect and consideration they warrant (i.e., none whatsoever).

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Bullying and threats may work on China's citizens, but it won't cut it internationally. Plenty of Chinese that want to live elsewhere, but I don't know of anyone that aspires to live in China.

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China is a joke! Who are they to say who Canada can or cannot rally. Just outrageous.

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Nazi China eh. The Chinese have been trying this in Australia too. Trying to influence free thinking in a negative way. Yeah Tianemen square never happened, disappear people who oppose you, cultural genocide on the Tibet and and Uighirs. Oh yeah China you are a beacon of model behavior

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Yeah Tianemen square never happened, disappear people who oppose you, cultural genocide on the Tibet and and Uighirs. Oh yeah China you are a beacon of model behavior

Aye, a chara. There is much to vex about concerning Xi's China. I feel for the ordinary peoples of the country who have no say whatsoever in what the ruling elite say and do. Dangerous times.

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How dare those backstabbing Canadians rally allies. Jeez, China is really starting shove it's weight around. Not cool.

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China should have been showing it's true colors within Asia. Too swelled-headed to hide any more.

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Our governement banned Huawei from bidding for the 5G network upon advise from the nation’s intelligence agencies...I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot the Chinese would do the same.

I don’t like China, I don’t trust them and I certainly don’t think their diplomats are being very professional. If it was the Chinese then would say something along the lines of “We are a sovereign nation and will not be lectured on internal matters”.

Stay strong Canada, don’t let them push you around.

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Ambassador Lu is quite correct, relations between China and Canada can quite easily be repaired, all it needs is for China to recognise international law and treaty obligations, stop arresting people on trumped up charges and spuriously retrying people so as to increase the punishment as a means of coercion on other sovereign governments and refrain from undiplomatic and insulting language about your host country. Simples really!

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@M3M3M3

The only material difference between Canada and China is the number of people who need to agree to the change

That's it eh? How criminals are treated, how citizens are treated, etc. Only one difference eh?

Eh?

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China you should have gotten closer to Japan and the rest of Asia long ago.

Trump not only asked Mexico and Canada to join them in their aggression towards China, while at the same time when all of this is happening, Abe decided to visit China and sign billions in deals and exchange currency swap. Can you tell which country is friendly to you in moment of need?

Without support, especially local support, you won't win economically or military.

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As a Canadian, I find this quite humorous.

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China's spokeswoman in China just said it doesn't want others telling it what to do - yet here China's ambassador in Canada is doing to Canada what it doesn't want others to do to it

Do their representatives even realize how so obviously they're contradictory

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The unelected Chinese dictators and Mr Lu should stop meddling in Canada's affairs.

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So what are you going to do China?

Nothing, that's what!

There's nothing you can do because basically the entire world hates you and your bullying rhetoric. Start a war - trade or otherwise - and see how quickly you last.

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@sourpuss

Only one difference eh?

Eh?

Look, I don't mean to be rude but you're just wasting everyone's time by quoting a sentence entirely out of context and then feigning disbelief that someone would say only those words. People can read the original post and understand that the context is restricted to the supposed inflexibility of the rule of law.

Assuming you're arguing in good faith, here's something that might help you in the future:

*Skill in using context clues enables a reader to comprehend advance texts. *

https://www.k12reader.com/subject/reading-skills/context-clues/

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China continuing to show they're not really ready to be a true team player in the international community. Every Chinese company pledges allegiance to the CCP because they have no choice and we all know what the middle 'C' stands for. The world needs to be very wary of Huawei.

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The current Canadian government has burned most of the bridges with allies so there are not a lot of friends to turn to.

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You arrest one of ours, we kill one of yours to start. Old school, Waring States style. Only this is modern times and China is the new self appointed super power.

Big test for Trudeau!

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I wonder what exactly Chinese community in Canada is thinking .

Why do you think they prefer living in Canada than China? They are not very concerned.

> The current Canadian government has burned most of the bridges with allies so there are not a lot of friends to turn to.

Most? Other than China and Saudi Arabia, who is this "most"? Not Europe, not UK, not Japan? Who?

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Canada's long term interests and future are directly tied to that of their USA Daddy.

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Or WHAT ?!

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Canada has the moral high ground! Keep up the fight; the free world has your back.

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Wow China, just wow...

"This telecom company has nothing to do with our government and is definitely not spying on you, but if you kick them out, we will punish you"

Yeah, that's not suspicious at all. Totally believable. Is China actually a scripted comedy like The Office that we don't know about? Is Canada being Punk'd? I'm waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out...

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Common guys. Alliance meant nothing nowadays after you heard what Trump said, “America First.” Haven’t you heard the US allies being bullied by the US? Why do you think China reacted this way? It’s because the repercussion of letting a local law to supersede the international law. This is unprecedented, and the US is waiting for Canada to go along. It has less to do with Canada’s obligations to the treaty when Meng didn’t commit any crimes in Canada and the UN is not in support of the US action against Iran. If China lets it be, the US will expand its long-arm jurisdictions. Then no third world executives will be safe. This is a type of bullying. Some of you didn’t understand the politics behind the attacks on ZTE and Huawei so that the US can control the 5G technology. If Canada is a sovereign nation it should realize the politics behind its action, especially when Trump himself said he could intervene to free Meng so this has nothing to do with any laws. We are living in the period of “America First” and our investments are in jeopardy. China is trying to fix this by providing the US with win-win solutions to save our hard earned money just like it did during the financial crisis a decade ago, but somehow some of you don’t see it.

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China and threatened retaliation if Canada bans Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei for security reasons.

Which clearly means we need to ban Chinese 5G immediately

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Opening the immigration and investment door to the mainland Chinese has been a devastating tragedy to Canada. The biggest crises in Vancouver right now -- skyrocketing fentanoyl deaths and among the worst housing affordability on earth -- are the work of recently arrived mainland Chinese millionaires.

Canada's once-greatest tech companies - Nortel and RIM - were taken down by relentless and unpunished Chinese hacking.

I warned about most of this around the time of the Hong Kong handover, but, naturally, I was called a wacist and a wigot for saying so. Nowadays, very few local people are calling me that.

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@M3M3M3

Sorry but the rule of law argument rings hollow. Politicians make the laws and they can be altered overnight in exactly the same way as they are in China

This is your message. And it is demonstrably creating a false equivalency. The motive behind the creation of laws is primary. In the case of China, laws are created to keep the ruling party in power. The whims of the leader can change day to day, and laws can be changed accordingly. In fact, a mere phone call from Xi can affect foreign policy the following morning. Law is not a legal guideline in China, it is the will of the leader. There is no other overarching consideration. In Canada, while this may happen occasionally, the vast majority of laws are created for the benefit of the citizens and non-citizens alike, sometimes to the detriment of the political leaders. Nothing like that exists in China. Furthermore, there is debate and a vote taken in the Canadian law-making process with NO guarantee that the will of the prime minister will be carried out.

Motives behind bills and how they are put into law are vastly different, and yet you state there is only one difference: a number. That is a complete and utter lie.

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@sourpuss

The motive behind the creation of laws is primary.

How is it even possible to know the subjective motives of lawmakers in a democracy? Some politicians will be motivated by noble reasons, some are motivated by personal gain, some are motivated by career advancement, some vote how the party whip tells them to vote, and most probably haven't even read the bills before they vote. How can you ever discern a single or primary motivation for the creation of any law in a democracy? The fact that this is impossible has been pointed out by many philosophers over the centuries.

In the case of China, laws are created to keep the ruling party in power. The whims of the leader can change day to day, and laws can be changed accordingly. In fact, a mere phone call from Xi can affect foreign policy the following morning. 

Sure, but replace China, ruling party, and Xi with Canada, Liberal Party and Trudeau and it rings equally true.

In Canada, while this may happen occasionally, the vast majority of laws are created for the benefit of the citizens and non-citizens alike, sometimes to the detriment of the political leaders. 

This is an entirely subjective judgement. The average Chinese person, who is very nationalistic, would also say that the the vast majority of decisions made by Xi are for the benefit of Chinese citizens. I don't think whether a law 'benefits' the citizens is measurable or even relevant. Would a law that expropriates and redistributes the property of the wealthiest 10% 'benefit' the majority if in a decade or two it leads to a collapse of the Canadian economy? On what timescale are you measuring these supposed benefits?

Motives behind bills and how they are put into law are vastly different, and yet you state there is only one difference: a number. That is a complete and utter lie.

Again, motives are entirely subjective and cannot be accurately discerned. In this specific case, what is Canada's motive in enforcing US sanctions against Iran? What was the original motive for US lawmakers to pass these sanctions in the first place? Was the motive world peace, or was it keeping Iranian oil out of global markets, or was it to do the bidding of wealthy Israeli political donors in the US? Nobody can know for sure.

By definition, the number of people from the Demos that are needed to enact change is the primary objective criteria that distinguishes the process of law making in a dictatorship vs a democracy. You're going to have a very hard time convincing me that this isn't true.

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Over a dozen Canadians arbitrarily detained now. One on trial as an accessory to drug smuggling upgraded overnight to main culprit and the death penalty.

We need to ban Chinese 5G immediately. China's kill the chicken to scare the monkey tactic has gone too far.

What did the 1% expect when it moved all its manufacturing to a dictatorship? Madness. We should get out of China and support democracies

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