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China has ordered closer adherence to the dictates of the ruling Communist Party and leader Xi Jinping in legal education, demanding that schools “oppose and resist Western erroneous views” such as constitutional government, separation of powers, and judicial independence.

Surely there will be a lot of "ChiCom" fear mongering but I have yet to see a response as to why the CCP is jailing socialist students fighting inequality.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics-mao-idUSKCN1OP0EK

Could it be the modern PRC owes much more to Lee Kwan Yew one-party hypercapitalist technocracy than Marx?

I think the Chinese students know best.

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Silly little things like “evidence” or “human rights”…

Honestly, as someone who went to school studying this in the 90s, I thought that capitalism would moderate China’s behavior. It seems to have just encouraged Xi’s fascist bent.

The West needs to recognize this authoritarian expansionist regime for what it is, and to take measures while it can.

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China has ordered closer adherence to the dictates of the ruling Communist Party and leader Xi Jinping in legal education, demanding that schools “oppose and resist Western erroneous views” such as constitutional government, separation of powers, and judicial independence.

Just goes to reinforce further that China is NOT a "democracy with Chinese characteristics"

Constitutional government, separation of powers, and judicial independence are some of the basic tenets of a democracy. If ya don't believe in those, ya don't believe in a democracy

China is a totalitarian with Chinese characteristics - those Chinese characteristics may pretend like a democracy, but at the end of the day, it's still totalitarian by the very definition

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Just goes to reinforce further that China is NOT a "democracy with Chinese characteristics"

Indeed though it never claimed to be a democracy.

I think a better description is “Fascism with Chinese Characteristics.”

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Just goes to reinforce further that China is NOT a "democracy with Chinese characteristics

Huh??? The CCP has always spoken of Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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American-led international order that advocates for multiparty democracy, civil society and human rights.

The US has enough allies that are neither democracies nor do they respect human rights.

Nations should become strong enough so that they don't get pushed around by American exceptionalism.

Having said that, the American version of the international order is still far better than the alternative.

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“Oppose and resist Western erroneous views such as ‘constitutional government,’ ‘separation of three powers,’ and ‘independence of the judiciary,’ it says.

... so that you can have all the power.

Tick, Tick, Tick... China. Tick, Tick.

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China has ordered closer adherence to the dictates of the ruling Communist Party and leader Xi Jinping in legal education, demanding that schools “oppose and resist Western erroneous views” such as constitutional government, separation of powers, and judicial independence.

Yeah, its stuff like this which explains why everyone in China was at risk of being locked down because somebody three towns over sneezed until quite recently.

Stupid form of governance.

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This is what 5000 years of reputed civilisation will get you, folks. What did they learn? Shouldn't China be creating a world of wisdom by now if it had learned anything? But who would want to live to their recommendations, if they had the choice? It's a miserable vision they present.

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Big, oppressive government demanding changes in school curriculum's to further their radical extremist views?

You sure they weren't talking about Florida?

Will reigning in Shanghai Disney be his next project?

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Many "Western" Universities would go bankrupt without the attendance and considerable fees from Chinese students.

So a little taste of the "West" is acceptable.

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Actually, having thought again, I may have been hasty in suggesting they have even presented a vision. Most socialist vanguards dare not present a vision beyond vague outlines because they will then be compared to that vision. They like to simply keep fighting the bogeyman and exhorting the people to do so. Then everyone is on guard against a fearful enemy which is never really defined or is defined absurdly: freedom is slavery. This is what we see here. Meanwhile the vanguards maintain their self-serving positions and keep tightening the noose on the people. And when it fails to make any sense, there is the miserable backstop of nationalism to rely on.

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China’s a strange country, isn’t it?. It’s an economic powerhouse, yet if you are too successful they’ll take away almost everything you own and throw you into prison or a reeducation camp.

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The west is equally to blame with its own authoritarian expansionism hegemony

No the west is not, because the west is not invading other nations and murdering its innocent civilians.

This is 100% on Putin and Russia. Let's keep this back in reality mmmkay?

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China is turning more authoritarian under Xi. There will be no independent judiciary, media or anything else in China. Eventually absolute power will corrupt everything and China will become something like Russia (with Chinese characteristics!). Be wary Taiwan.

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buuaToday  07:16 am JST

After reading this article, you really understand the meaning of brainwashing.

More Orwellian Newspeak and 'purgings' of 'bad influences' and 'crimethink'. Big Brother with Chinese characteristics.

MoonrakerToday  09:12 am JST

This is what 5000 years of reputed civilisation will get you, folks. What did they learn? Shouldn't China be creating a world of wisdom by now if it had learned anything? But who would want to live to their recommendations, if they had the choice? It's a miserable vision they present.

China does have a glorious past of cultural innovations and great scientific and artistic inventions and achievements. But when Mao and his CCP took over, all the social and intellectual progress came to a screeching halt. I saw live on NBC-TV the start of the Tiananmen Square massacre in jube 1989, that said plenty about what these brutes are really about! And now they just want to shelve all the pretense they've had before. But we know.

Desert TortoiseToday  08:13 am JST

Just goes to reinforce further that China is NOT a "democracy with Chinese characteristics

Huh??? The CCP has always spoken of Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

Socialism is an economic system that existed throughout history long before some French philosopher gave it it's name. And the CCP does not, never has and never will practice or even come close to the utopia that Marx envisioned and theorized.

China is a totalitarian with Chinese characteristics - those Chinese characteristics may pretend like a democracy, but at the end of the day, it's still totalitarian by the very definition

That's what totalitarian is. Lies, lies, lies.

One voice.

One doubt.

One war.

One truth.

One dream.

PETER GABRIEL

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Socialism is an economic system that existed throughout history long before some French philosopher gave it it's name. And the CCP does not, never has and never will practice or even come close to the utopia that Marx envisioned and theorized.

And failed so, so many times throughout history.

The anti-China brigade of whiners is on fire, lol..

I don't think you are being a keyboard warrior in China now, we both know that.

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And failed so, so many times throughout history.

Let's be clear, none of the so-called "Socialist" countries in history actually practices Socialism. They were authoritarian states for whom 'socialism' or 'communism' or 'republicanism' sounds much better than 'authoritarianism'.

Whereas the actual nations of the world that do actually practice Social Democracy, rank in the tops of health, well, quality of life, safety and happiness.

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There are many good socialist-type policies, even in the US. Trump had a few too.

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Ironically, the party elites send their kids to US and Europe for higher education...

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Forgot to say that even the daughter of the dear leader, Xi Mingze, graduated from Harvard with a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology in 2014, and she is still in the US for graduate studies.

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Now only a revolution can save China from the dictatorship

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Our own education systems are busy purging our schools of western culture too.

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The difference isn’t that big if you lose everything due to CCP or Xi punishment there or by wokeness and cancel culture here. Brainwashing, unified opinions, propaganda fake, surveillance and all that you find nowadays everywhere. There are luckily still some nuances left in the West, but probably more quickly shrinking than you need time to read this. And that’s surely what Xi means, the West isn’t skilled and quickly enough to withhold on copying China and China’s speed on all those topics.

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Just goes to reinforce further that China is NOT a "democracy with Chinese characteristics"

Huh??? The CCP has always spoken of Socialism with Chinese characteristics.

Xi Jinping calls it that

Exploring China’s New Narrative on Democracy - Amid growing concerns about its governance, China’s leadership is attempting to emphasize its own brand of democracy with “Chinese characteristics.”

https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/exploring-chinas-new-narrative-on-democracy/

On, November 3, President Xi Jinping remarked that “China’s people’s democracy is a type of whole-process democracy.” While that definition is as obscure as any other Chinese political concept, it demonstrates a new effort to formulate the concept of Chinese democracy and form a new narrative on that basis.

The term “democracy” has always been a difficult concept for China to tackle. Despite the lack of a democratic process, which has left the Communist Party’s system vulnerable to critics within and outside of China, Beijing continuously endeavors to bestow democracy with “Chinese characteristics” rather than censor the term completely.

Democracy with Chinese Characteristics

https://www.shine.cn/opinion/2111258645/

The State Council Information Office of China published a white paper titled “China: Democracy That Works” recently. The white paper explains in detail the Chinese governance ideals and democratic values of the Communist Party of China (CPC) which are distinct from Western practice of democracy. The white paper makes a benchmark in redefining democracy in practice maintaining that democratic ideals vary from state to state in relation to its culture, history, tradition, and ideology.

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The difference between China and America is that China doesn't pretend to have the aforementioned 'freedoms', while in America you're told you are free but are spied on, suppressed, and bombarded constantly with shady propaganda that's meant to make you happy that your overlords are treating you like dirt, or else so miserable that you become a 'worthless' drug addict. And all the while they have the audacity to think they represent all that's good and right with the world, even presuming to preach their sex-obsessed version of God and Jesus. So don't be deceived any longer: The so-called multilateral world order, which is a cover for Anglo-American hegemony, is not long for this age. Because of its own greed and short-sightedness, and penchant for total & oppressive hypocrisy.

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Let's be clear, none of the so-called "Socialist" countries in history actually practices Socialism. They were authoritarian states for whom 'socialism' or 'communism' or 'republicanism' sounds much better than 'authoritarianism'.

Go back much further. You find in tribal societies that land is more often than not owned communally rather than individually and the produce of their agriculture and hunting is shared among tribes members. The natives of North America had no concept of private property or ownership of a business. They were "socialist" eons before the word was coined. Even today among many surviving tribal societies the idea that an individual can own a piece of land just for themselves and can exclude its use by others is a perfectly alien idea they will vehemently disagree with.

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Socialism with Chinese characteristics as defined by the CPC through their party media outlet:

"First coined by Deng Xiaoping in 1982, the concept of socialism with Chinese characteristics aims to redefine the relations between planning and socialism, and market economy and capitalism. It has preserved institutions of socialism and public ownership while importing sophisticated management experience and advanced market mechanism from developed countries.

"Planning and market forces are not the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. A planned economy is not the definition of socialism, because there is planning under capitalism; the market economy happens under socialism, too. Planning and market forces are both ways of controlling economic activity," Deng explained."

https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html

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demanding that schools “oppose and resist Western erroneous views” such as constitutional government, separation of powers, and judicial independence.

Read the Chinese Constitution which outlines their highest laws. It says lots of great things - equality, protection of culture, language, groups, education, health care, lots of great things.

There are laws against making up data in China with steep fines. Yet, when was the last time we could actually trust death counts for any disaster? That's illegal ...

Then is says, except where these conflict with state interests.

State interests vary widely from avoiding embarrassment for the govt to preventing embarrassment for any party member. We've see so many examples of these last two "exceptions". This seems to be their main reason for lying and trying to deflect when sometime bad happens anywhere else in the world. China tried to point at the Ohio train derailment accident as a way to convince people in China that the US was covering up the event (not true). It was front page new here across the country for over 3 days and NOBODY DIED. Deflection by the CCP ... to get their spy balloon off the front page. Clearly.

China claimed to be socialist, except the normal things that socialist provide to everyone aren't provided universally in China. Look at their rationing of health care, for example. Read they cut the monthly allowance for retired Chinese health care expenses over 66% a few months ago. Thousands of grandmas in Wuhan are protesting.

“They are calling for their medical benefits to be restored to their original level, which was 260 yuan [£32] a month,” said a person who gave the surname Gao. “A lot of people have had theirs cut to 88 yuan or 82 yuan.”

So much for Chinese characteristics in their socialism.

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 ordered that foreign religions be “sinicized” in order to operate in China

Many religions such as Christianity and Islam have existed in China at least since 600-something AD and they have played a very large impact on Chinese history. Buddhism (from India) has been there at least for 2500 years. All of them have absorbed the local culture and language. I guess Xi wants them all to play 'yes man' to the CCP and himself. That's not what religion is about and nor should it ever be.

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