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2020hindsights
And some people say that Biden isn't tough on China.
dagon
China being coy but there are probably policy wonks there reading Thucydides and know of the theory of hegemonic war.
Biden has people whispering in his ear too.
Hopefully more serious conflict can be avoided.
bass4funk
A speech condemning China wouldn’t strike someone as being tough, but still, the rant ticked them off so at least on that small note it made me smile.
stormcrow
Is China beginning to sound and act more and more like North Korea?
Marr Bourdein
China smeared itself with their lies and cunning actions. It's time for the world to see what China represents. It is the bully of Asia run by a tyrant who his No1 enemy is Winny the Pooh.
Toblerone
Why was Biden suddenly shouting, “Name me a world leaderwho can change places with Xi Jinping. Name me one! Name me one!” ?
wallace
The GOP says Biden is in the pockets of China. Kept the Trump sanctions in place.
Aly Rustom
Hahaha!! Exactly!
Ever since that Xi-male took over they've been 2 cheeks of the same A$$
Hear! Hear!
I love it!! Winny the Pooh!! Brilliant Marr!!
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Toblerone
Well, we all know who would like be Xi Jinping, and that's Trump. He would love to be an authoritarian leader. That's what Biden was getting the audience to conclude.
RKL
I actually have to side with Biden, that he did not smear China.
In fact, he barely mentioned them.
The entire theme of the State of the Union speech should have been about China but Biden was obviously nervous about genuinely upsetting the CCP. It was an embarrassingly weak display of what should have been strong leadership.
The biggest statement of the day about the whole matter was made by MGT as she carried the white balloon.
Pure genius with that double entendre.
Bob Fosse
So is Biden a warmonger today or not? You seem confused again.
RKL
Bob FosseToday 08:23 am JST
So is Biden a warmonger today or not? You seem confused again.
Yeah, these issues can be difficult to understand when you are not a US citizen, and you try and recirculate headline news.
Maybe you should do more background research or something?
Martimurano
Oh dear, China shedding crocodile tears that old Uncle Joe had the temerity to smear the Chinese...... how sad.
What Biden should have been telling then in his shouty inimitable style, is that China has caused immeasurable damage to the rest of the world by unleashing their Chinavirus which has killed more than 6.5 million people and infected over 3 billion people worldwide so far.
Then he should have mentioned the genocide of the Uighur people and the enslavement of their younger generation in cotton-production camps. Oh, and their total extinguishment of any hint of democracy in Hong Kong.
And the forced detention of 900,000 children in Tibet, who are currently undergoing Sinocisation.
Plus the 11 separate international disputes with which they are currently embroiled.
That's the sort of rap-sheet he should have hit them with, a clear characterisation of the totally repressive fascist regime which China represents to the world today.
wallace
Biden mentioned China six times without any smears.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/07/remarks-of-president-joe-biden-state-of-the-union-address-as-prepared-for-delivery/
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RKL
That makes no sense. The 'Union' means United States; so it's a speech about the state of the US. US foreign policy is part of that, and the US's relationship with China, is part of foreign policy. So considering that, it got the amount of coverage that it deserved.
I think he got the balance exactly right, and obviously he did upset China somewhat, which bears this out.
Bob Fosse
Oh dear. Keep laughing at Greene’s balloon. That’ll keep you entertained while the real stuff is happening.
RKL
2020hindsightsToday 08:32 am JST
That makes no sense.
It makes sense, as you explain yourself below.
The 'Union' means United States; so it's a speech about the state of the US. US foreign policy is part of that, and the US's relationship with China, is part of foreign policy. So considering that, it got the amount of coverage that it deserved.
Right, but it was barely mentioned. I watched it live.
But hey--no surprise--to you "it got the amount of coverage that it deserved"!
I think he got the balance exactly right, and obviously he did upset China somewhat, which bears this out.
No you don't think that, and you know it.
Desert Tortoise
Why? There is a whole lot more to the US than relations with China. They don't define what the US is nor do them define the state of the union.
Bob Fosse
What a ridiculous idea.
Inflation, gas prices, out of control crime, crt? All the usual parrot points you’d have reeled off if he had actually focused on China for an hour.
bass4funk
China thinks Biden is a weak joke.
https://www.india.com/news/world/chinese-govt-advisor-calls-joe-biden-weak-says-a-democratic-president-could-start-wars-4219463/
Desert Tortoise
I don't think you have any hands on with graduates of the Chinese educational system. They are not smarter or better educated than American kids. In most ways the education in China is inferior. They maybe only do math better but their universities are no where near the caliber of the best western universities. My wife passed her entrance exams in China but her family didn't have the money to pay admissions the bribes necessary to get the classes she needed nor did they have anything close to the amount of money needed to pay professors for a passing grade. That is how it works in big Chinese universities, as it does in much of Chinese society. The "red envelope" is what gets things done. Not merit, but money. She earned a BSEE from an American university, but she has a very poor understanding of world history, never read anything by any of the great philosophers because most of their writings are banned in China, has zero understanding of how elected government works, was never taught about the Holocaust or any of the wars in the Middle East. But yeah she is fantastic at math. But the rest of her family never matriculated any college, again for lack of money for the required red envelopes and you find if you spend time there most Chinese are no better or worse educated than most Americans.
bass4funk
Don’t forget the border.
https://americanlookout.com/nbc-news-poll-75-percent-of-americans-think-country-is-headed-in-the-wrong-direction/
wallace
bass4funk
you said Biden was in the pockets of China.
flowers
The worst propaganda is always coming from the West. They will bring up anything to smear China without any proof whatsoever. You can see from most Western media that they immediately labeled the balloon as “Spy balloon” even before it was proven to be so. This is what they called “disinformation” and those media should be ashamed. All sorts of stories were made up to colour the balloon in order to attack China. Politics always come first in the West, even before life itself like in the case of deaths from Covid. Some of you might notice that the US used F22 to bring down a balloon! Really dramatic, just like using a grenade to kill a fly. Can anyone predict what story will come up next to smear China, this is going on constantly. However, I notice from reading comments from various Western media, more and more people are getting tired of this and have come to realize this type of propaganda to discredit China is just fake news.
Bob Fosse
Bass, that article is from 2020.
wallace
Biden is no more weak on China than Trump was. They are the same.
RKL
However, he also warned that “if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country," a pointed reference to the shooting down on Saturday of a suspected Chinese spy balloon that had traversed the continental United States.
I'm sure the CCP is scared by those words, especially after they took a virtual tour over mainland America and its military installations and nuclear missile silos.
bass4funk
Yes.
https://youtu.be/8ls20MveX50
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RKL
And that's about the coverage it deserved. And it's not just me that thinks that. So does Desert Tortoise:
And Bob Fosse:
So it seems that your expectation were out of line.
I think he got the balance exactly right, and obviously he did upset China somewhat, which bears this out.
Oh, I certainly do.
bass4funk
No, Trump pissed China off by calling them out, mocking them, threatening them, and them sanctioning them.
Biden finds out about the balloon on Wed. and then orders it shot down on Sat. Well, the Chinese already got what they needed. Again, the CCP thinks as well as every other adversary that we have that Biden is weak.
RKL
2020hindsightsToday 09:03 am JST
*And that's about the coverage it deserved. And it's not just me that thinks that. So does Desert Tortoise:*
*And Bob Fosse:*
You're not joking?
Bob Fosse
And standing idly by while they decimated Democracy in Hong Kong. Don’t miss that bit. Yes, he signed a bill reluctantly. A bill that Kamala sponsored.
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bass4funk
Almost certainly they didn't. In fact, the US probably got more intelligence than China be seeing where the balloon went, and hence what China is interested in. And then the US were able to recover the balloon. All in all, a big win for Biden.
dagon
And praising the most authoritarian aspects of China.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china-idUSKCN1GG015
And making MAGA wear.
https://www.ft.com/content/9eb753d8-098a-4c05-af95-0e11fb1607df
Biden may be a neo-liberal stooge, but you can see he takes in the opinions of the administration policy experts around him and the directions and is not just going for the ego-maniacal grift.
Did Trump read Thucydides and about his theory of the danger of rising powers challenging hegemony?
RKL
2020hindsightsToday 09:13 am JST
Almost certainly they didn't. In fact, the US probably got more intelligence than China be seeing where the balloon went, and hence what China is interested in. And then the US were able to recover the balloon. All in all, a big win for Biden.
Hilarious.
So China gets photographs and videos of US military installations and sites of nuclear missile silos, images of restricted air space areas, and everything else under the clouds from Montana to South Carolina, but it was a big win for Biden because the US got a deflated ballon and smashed up pieces of a surveillance device.
Ahhhh, no.
Michael Machida
China, you funny!
bass4funk
And do what? Start a war with China on their territory...yeah, real smart.
Of course not. More like and typical the left doesn't see the ramifications of such an action.
lincolnman
She sure did - showing the balloon and her head were both filled with the same thing - nothing...
To be accurate, she should have written on the balloon; "Biden: 1 for 1, Trump: 0 for 3"
Hmmm.....some threats....ROFL...
“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida aired by CNN. “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great.
Trump praised Xi as “a great gentleman” and added: “He’s the most powerful (Chinese) president in a hundred years.” Trump said Xi had treated him “tremendously well” during his visit in November.
Trump told The New York Times in December that because of North Korea he had “been soft on China because the only thing more important to me than trade is war.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china-idUSKCN1GG015
wallace
China didn't get anything from its balloon. All transmissions were blocked then it was shot down.
bass4funk
Yes, he has which is different than wanting to change the country to a communist authoritative system.
And they have been nothing but a disaster from Afghanistan to Ukraine to this ballon, the Saudis and the Iranians, but there's more....
No wonder they think this guy is a weak joke.
I have no idea, but the Chinese did a lot to help make sure a lot of disinformation hits the US in 2020
bass4funk
No, just the intel they wanted.
ROFL!
u_s__reamer
And some people say that Biden isn't tough on China.
Maybe just because Biden has no business interests in China, no real-estate deals, no manufacturing licenses, no China bank accounts and doesn't pay any taxes in China? So what's Joe got to lose by going for China's Commie jugular ('rhetorically speaking)?
wallace
bass4funk
So you do not believe the Pentagon?
lincolnman
I have only one criticism of Biden's speech - he didn't dwell enough on crimes against our children....
He should have highlighted this;
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-amplifies-posts-claiming-desantis-was-grooming-high-school-girls-233428924.html
We need more emphasis on catching and prosecuting these "groomers"....
bass4funk
Depends, but since these are yes, men….they do have to listen to their commander-in-chief
nishikat
If Trump had won it would be...
the Chinese did a lot to help MAGA.
Obama was for the border and averaged more yearly deportations than Trump
....and...
In 2006, Democrats were saying ‘build that fence!’
(news quote)
Reagan inked 3M green cards to illegals
Proof that Republicans (including Trump) are softer on illegal immigration than Dems.
bass4funk
Now I know you just didn’t say that! Lol
Everything.
lincolnman
Even Kevin is not admitting the Repubs got played at the SOTU;
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-admits-175700436.html
Well stated Kevin - but you know you can't control your "Kook Cabal", especially after you caved to them to get your (temporary) speakership...
I guess Kevin just went from loved "MAGA-hero" to hated "Spineless RINO" again - it switches every day...
wallace
bass4funk
They issued a statement about blocking all transmissions. They would not lie to the public regardless of your beliefs.
What Biden Chinese business interests do you have proof of?
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RKL
Almost certainly they didn't. In fact, the US probably got more intelligence than China be seeing where the balloon went, and hence what China is interested in. And then the US were able to recover the balloon. All in all, a big win for Biden.
And why wouldn't you think they don't already have these images? They do have spy satellites, or didn't you know that.
Umm, yes.
nishikat
Trump has been dependent on Chinese money for quite a while.
(news quote)
I can't find any information about any financial conflicts regarding the current president and China.
Trump: Business conflicts in China (Joe Biden: none)
Trump: Weak deportation record (Obama: higher deportation yearly average)
Desert Tortoise
The Chinese didn't get much of anything useful from their floating hemorrhoid because it was being jammed. If anyone here has followed events at Area 51 over the past couple of decades you know the US has for a very long time had the means to distort optical systems. People would go to this one ridge on the base perimeter with the longest lenses made and their images always came back highly distorted. The US is also pretty adept and jamming communications. I sincerely doubt China learned much from their floating hemorrhoid that they didn't already know from their low Earth orbit satellites. About all they accomplished was to make themselves look bad.
Strangerland
MTG thought she looked cool with her single balloon, until AOC showed her up with three.
quercetum
Yeah, but you seek money from China too, and you keep spending money that you don’t have.
The US Secretary of the Treasury, Yellen, recently urged China to increase the US debt holding. She didn’t ask Japan even though Japan has reduced more US debt holding than China.
We know Japan will continue to be in a recession and the EU will have little growth for 2023. The only country with some borrowing room is China (IMF growth forecast: 5.2%), which explains Yellen's question.
Yellen can't convince US vassals like Japan, the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg, etc, to hold additional US debts when US debt was skyrocketing last year but asks the number one enemy- China, with whom there is an ongoing Cold War?
China’s statements basically say, WTF?! You want us to lend you money but place sanctions and fight trade wars against us?
The Biden administration can't even fix domestic inflation right now and needs to borrow money from China before it has the strength to go to war with China. That’s how silly the administration is.
The Treasury department defaulting on the US debt as the current budget ceiling negotiation stalls would result in a severe financial crisis for the already Covid-19 stressed global financial system.
Meanwhile, China will keep converting surplus dollars into gold to be prepared for the next financial catastrophe brought on by the failed US budgetary process.
Desert Tortoise
If either party wants to end illegal immigration make passing eVerify mandatory for all employees. Yes the data base probably has some errors. Fix them. Make eVerify mandatory. Remove the demand for illegal labor and the rush to the border, and visa overstays, will quickly disappear. But please notice who opposes mandatory use of eVerify most, big business and agriculture. Tackle that. All the noise at the border is just that, noise. You will never seal the US border and you will never stop visa overstays by technical means. Remove the demand for illegal alien labor and the problem will go away.
wallace
The deal was one strike and you are out Kevin McCarthy. Took a beating yesterday. Looked like a bobblehead.
nishikat
Biden released his tax returns unlike Trump. Biden is clean
nishikat
I have no idea, but the Chinese did a lot to help make sure a lot of disinformation hits the US in 2020
(From the Trump side)
Nemo
If the CCP feels "smeared", then we know that Joe, the weak on china guy, did it just right with respect to messaging.
No more cowing to "very powerful" dictators like the former sychophant did.
Nemo
A post speech poll reveals that 72% of those polled had a positive impression of the speech, so......
It seems that following the advice of military advisors and not a bunch of blowhards on twitter is not only good policy, but good politics.
Go figure.....
bass4funk
Yes, we do. We have two years of seeing what this WH has done and the military leadership.
Again, you can believe that crap, I don't.
Just going by history....
Scroll up, 57% of people think the country is on the wrong track and 54% of Democrats don't want Biden to run.
Then Biden should be over 50% approval, but it's not.
No different than any other modern society.
ROFL! Yeah, I don't believe that for a second.
bass4funk
Hmmmm...
https://dailyfreepress.com/2023/02/07/make-the-state-of-the-union-boring-again/
dagon
Thanks for the inadvertent socialist shout out and an American majority who do not want a neo-liberal Biden or crony corporatist MAGA.
So that leaves a democractic socilaist majority giving back to the people.
It is elementary if you think about it in relation
Joemusic1980
What people don’t realize is America has finally woken up to the threat that is the CCP.
For years we have been denying the threat. However since 2020 Americans have been unifying and agree China is not our friend.
bass4funk
California and NYC have tried it and the results are not promising
https://nypost.com/2023/01/03/u-haul-people-leaving-ny-california-for-texas-florida/
RKL
McCarthy had the hardest task last night.
He had to not only sit next to Kamala Harris but he also had to listen to Biden's misguided speech.
But at least McCarthy kept his composure, unlike Biden who began yelling all of a sudden out of sync with his speech, and Kamal, whose timing was way off as she would stand and start to clap at the wrong time.
Toblerone
China didn't get anything from its balloon. All transmissions were blocked then it was shot down.
Talk about fantasy land.
It was shot down after its task was well and truly completed.
wallace
McCarthy took an uncomfortable beating from Biden.
Bob Fosse
How do you know this? It’s fantasy land until there is evidence otherwise. Then I expect it will be a cover up conspiracy, won’t it?
wallace
where are the links showing even a single one?
RKL
“I’ve made clear with President Xi that we seek competition, not conflict," Biden said.
Makes sense now why Biden let the balloon with surveillance devices take tens of thousands of videos ands photos all across the US.
The CCP is probably using Indeed to hire part-timers to look at all those photos.
But Joe--as an American--next time can you maybe stop these known intrusions sooner?
lincolnman
And failed - couldn't keep his "second grade class" in line...had to keep "shushing" them, which also failed...and the American people saw the utter clown show that is the GOP...
https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-repeatedly-shushes-marjorie-044738208.html
Prove it...
Part-timers from the sweatshop factories that make Trump's clothing line...
Sure, ask the previous President - the one who let THREE fly across the US - and DID NOTHING...
piskian
Woowee.Do any of you have actual jobs?
Work together to fix your country.
bass4funk
Bingo!
Rodney
China should sue.
lincolnman
My, my....Gov Sarah Sanders SOTU speech is getting panned....must be the Dems; Hillary, Nancy, Schiff....
Woops, nope not them...
*That speech, I thought that speech was terrible. It goes into the wokeism, and that’s all interesting. But you gotta get to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is the debt ceiling, the CCP. If you’re gonna give a counter speech, you gotta talk about important issues.*
*Don’t get me wrong. The wokeism is very important. But it’s not quite the heart of the matter right now, right? It’s not the heart of the matter. She is not–and the reason is she’s just not–*she’s not intellectually capable of going to the heart of the matter, right? Let’s be blunt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bannon-trashes-terrible-sarah-huckabee-sanders-sotu-rebuttal-she-s-not-intellectually-capable/ar-AA17gM69?cvid=864d39dae872478a9317aae073c457b6
Fellow far-right MAGA-alumni and border wall fraudster Steve Bannon...
Take that Sarah....ROFL...
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RKL
“I’ve made clear with President Xi that we seek competition, not conflict," Biden said.
Quite an imagination. Amazing!
kurisupisu
Quite simply the truth is that China was spying on the US with these balloons.
The evidence is just being released
lincolnman
My favorite part of the SOTU speech was when Repub MTG stood up and yelled "Liar!"...
And Repub George Santos stood up and yelled; Yes - I'm over here!...
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kurisupisu
Sure. But why is it news? They have been spying on the US for years with satellites.
RKL
lincolnmanToday 12:28 pm JST
My, my....Gov Sarah Sanders SOTU speech is getting panned....must be the Dems; Hillary, Nancy, Schiff....
Sarah Sanders is a groundbreaker.
First female governor of Arkansas.
Meanwhile, the Democrats can't define what a "female" is.
2020hindsightsToday 12:30 pm JST
Quite an imagination. Amazing!
I shudder to imagine all the intel China collected on the US.
It is amazing, I agree.
2020hindsightsToday 01:00 pm JST
Sure. But why is it news? They have been spying on the US for years with satellites.
You know why. It's silly to downplay it.
bass4funk
But they got a more detailed look and a long, almost a week before Joe did something.
Yes, I do.
I don’t have a team.
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RKL
Quite an imagination. Amazing!
I don't. Because they have been doing it for a long time, the intelligence services no how to hide things.
Sure. But why is it news? They have been spying on the US for years with satellites.
I honestly have no idea why people think a balloon that is collecting intel on stuff that they are already collecting intel with satellites, is a story. Explain that to me.
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*know