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Well, here's to hoping for another 70 years or more of peace! (China that means you too!)
WWII ended in 1945. Imperial Japan surrendered to the Nationalist Chinese, now on Taiwan. China (PRC) didn't even exist until 1948. It's Taiwan that should be doing the parade.
Came here to say the same thing, Ossan.
And it wasn't just that Japan surrendered to the Nationalist Chinese. It's that the Chinese communists were hiding for most of the war. Looks like China loves it some revisionist history after all, as long as it's the one doing the revising.
They target Japan as invaders but Japan joined last as one of the colonial powers in China. Show the map of colonized China by western colonial powers.
The most effective way is to bring up the past. A past that hardly exists in any substantive way anymore. There's no doubt the Japanese were a brutal conqueror. Just as there is no doubt that Mao Tse Tung unleashed death and horror on the Chinese people that exceeded even the Japanese occupation. The Chinese want to remember the "history" as long as that history doesn't include what Mao and the CCP did to China.
People's Republic of China, PRC never won but Republic of China (aka Taiwan) did.
Does anyone know if there was such fanfare for the 60th anniversary? Or how about the more symbolic 50th, when so many more veterans were still alive?
"Beijing calls the end of the Chinese People’s War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War." - "the Beijing parade, which will pass through Tiananmen Square, where student-led protestors demanded democratic reforms in 1989 before the Communist Party sent in troops to crush the demonstrations." - article
Is this Chinese Irony? Apparently the fascist nature of the Communist Party that sent in troops to crush the 1989 student demonstrations for democratic reforms and the cultural revolution of Mao don't qualify as fascism. Those must have been gentle reminders with a body count. Potato, potatoe let's call the whole thing off.
Japan needs to learn to take it as well as dish it out.
I'm not quite sure what China is celebrating here, given that China didn't really win anything in the war.
Sure, Chinese forces tied down the Japanese army, but this was part of the occupying army and didn't really mean Japan shifted forces from other fronts into China. The Chinese never really won any territory back from the Japanese and the only 'liberating' that went on was when KMT forces took back control of Japanese-occupied areas and 'liberated' lots of money and resources from newly freed civilians, ostentatiously to finance its continued war against the CCP, but in reality it ended up greasing the palms of anyone in the KMT chain of command who touched it.
If the Americans had not caused a Japanese surrender, had Operation Downfall actually happened and resulted in some kind of stalemate (just as things were in China), the Chinese would not have 'liberated' anything.
The KMT in Taiwan has some reason to celebrate, given that it contributed the most (i.e. not much) in the Chinese theatre. The CCP has no reason, given that only 10% of its resources were given to fighting the Japanese at the very most. And, as others have written, the PRC never came into existence until 1949.
Why does this article appear twice on the same page?
Hang their nifty little button is this museum: http://muzeumkomunismu.cz/
"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."
Pretty sure it's been a regular thing for a while now.
Well AFP, which is it? Victory over Japan or the end of the Chinese People’s War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War? Because they are not the same. So AFP just wants to fan the flames with these stupid headlines.
This is less a commemoration than a PR stunt for the Chinese communist party, whose leadership will stop at nothing when it comes to glorifying themselves.
Doesn't look like a provocative, intimidating logo. What's the big deal? I mean, it's not as if there are rockets, fighter jets or patriotic communist soldiers marching with rifles in the logo's background.
They should have hired this guy to make the Tokyo Olympics logo!
Keep shifting the focus there China.
Not remotely comparable in terms of scale of military involvement, area of territory or number of Chinese deaths caused.
Anything to keep the people's mind of the tanking stock market as well as general corruption of the ruling class.
Who needs a logo for something like that anyway? Are they planning to sell commemorative caps and T-shirts?
A proper picture of the symbol would be helpful?
I agree. The AFP and the MSM are just corporations looking for an easy buck.
Shoudn't the logo say " Thank you U.S.A." ? After all, I do believe the usa is the reason japan surrendered.
what, no Victory over Japan mascot??
People come here and say the darnedest things.
The Communists fought a guerrilla style war on occupying Japanese troops. Some of you may call the National forces brave for taking on the Japanese head on despite inferior weapons, training and supplies, but there are some of us would prefer to use the word "foolish".
Regardless, we would not be reading any comments like this if it were Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, India or any other country save maybe North Korea were they also celebrating victory over Japan.
And The United States did not really come into existence until 1783. But that never stops Americans declaring that it came into existence in the hearts of Americans in 1776.
I don't much like China either you know. But for some reason I don't feel the need to apply double standards or to nit pick. Maybe its because I feel I have a solid case against the Chinese government? Some of you must feel you have pretty shaky cases to dredge this stuff up. Get some confidence please. For example, the U.S. government sucks. Still its better that China's, although perhaps not by miles.
dull nationalism put forward by a government that is afraid of its own people
is this part of the chinese photoshop trolls ??
what`s next , they invented the Atom bomb?
-You don't say. . .
The Chinese simply don't know (or care) when enough is enough. Once again they are demonstrating are reluctance to move forward, instead they want to bully their neighbours, grab power when they can and splash their money around as if they're some goodie too shoes angle of hope. There is such a big chip on China's shoulder it must be heavy.
I say, let them have their bit of fun. It was a hard-won victory (or at least a holdout).
China can show off, BUT others can also remind them about their "Cultural Revolution", Tiananmen Square massacre by PLA troops. As Japan must be take account of WW II, China MUST take into account of these 2 relatively recent events & accept criticisms for the dastardly Communist acts. Also, let HK have a democratic legislature as agreed in the One Country Two Systems.
Mainland China will most likely never thank the USA for liberating them from Japanese forces. Let us not forget that eastern China would most likely still be a province of Japan were it not for the Americans.
Let us not forget that the Americans supported the KMT against them. You would not thank a man for saving you from a violent mugger if he then handed a different guy a tire iron so that guy could knock your teeth out. Nobody would be saying thanks. But, there again, when we speak of China, different standards get used. I despise the Chinese government. Still, this stuff gets old.
There's nothing to show off.
Nessie, you might want to do a little research before making pronouncements like "the Chinese communists were hiding for most of the war". For example look up the "Sankō Sakusen" scorched-earth policy implemented by the Imperial Japanese Army in 5 Northern provinces of China in direct response to Communist Chinese offensives against them. This policy (which was authorized by Emperor Hirohito himself) resulted in the death of more than 2.7 million civilians alone. Total Chinese military casualties in the Second Sino-Japanese War totaled 3.7 million dead of which about 500,000 were Communist forces. In contrast total US military casualties in the Pacific War were around 112,000 dead. Many more Allied troops would have died had Japan been able to mobilize the forces (over 75 %) that were tied down fighting in China. So belittling China's contribution to the defeat of Japan, is not only insulting, it's as historically inaccurate as many of the recent denials of Japanese atrocities made by Japanese "Nationalists".
Antthom: "The Chinese simply don't know (or care) when enough is enough."
You ever noticed that the 'celebrations' are actually getting BIGGER over the years? I can tell you what one reason is: a push on the part of Japan for a return to it's pre-WWII glory, thanks to certain leaders who want to beautify it and revise history, and make 'forward thinking' apologies while still not acknowledging atrocities that took place in China. So, if you want to talk brazenly about knowing when enough is enough, perhaps you ought to be addressing that to Japan as well.
The Chinese commie government will do anything to toot its own horn, even claiming something the Taiwan ROC--not the PRC--accomplished. Quite pathetic.
China's definition for "peace" and moving toward a "beautiful future" must include aggressively moving into international waters unlawfully, provoking neighboring countries, innumerable human rights abuses, state-sponsored human organ harvesting, and other countless violations. Must be some sick, fantasy world these commies inhabit.
Formosa...they were the victors here. China upsets me terribly. What do they think they are doing with this garbage. Long live Taiwan, and long live Japan. Peace
I don't understand the need to belittle the contribution of Communist forces to the defeat of Japan. But then, much the same was done to the Soviet contribution to defeating the Nazis up until the wall fell, although it still continues to some degree.
All sides inflate their contributions. And its all rather childish. Even so, I see nothing in the article about China doing so. So where did this childish belittling come from?
The current Japanese government should be marking the occasion too. The defeat of imperialist Japan is something every decent human being should be celebrating.....
A kinder, gentler commemoration logo.
Moscow did it better. A huge Nazi dragon sliced up by St. George (statue in Victory Park).
Anne Widdecombe? ; )
Wars should be mourned. Even by the victors.
@Adam Shrimpton "The Chinese never really won any territory back from the Japanese".
To be correct, the Soviets did the main job, Chinese helped a lot. Later Soviets provided their tactics, guns & ammo to Chinese Communists. Under Communist rule, Chinese defeated American puppets in South China, kicking them out.
China never won the war, more Chinese people died than the Jews under the Nazi regime.
That seems an insider joke. As in, inside some tiny little EU county.
You're welcome - says the U.S. to China.
I could have said "Sarah Palin", I suppose, but she ain't as big as our Annie....
Nothing signifies the sober reflection of the end of a long, deadly, horrific war than a good logo.
And the Chinese governement (ie Communist Party) complains about Japanese distortions of history. They did not even exist when the war ended.
Commemorating the war that ended 70 years ago? You guys got long memories.
'The current Japanese government should be marking the occasion too. The defeat of imperialist Japan is something every decent human being should be celebrating.....'
I don't know what the big deal is on the logo and why the hate by the posters. Does it matter whether the Chinese needed help from the US or whoever.
China will become what Japan used to be
OK guys China won that war Japan loose.
This is the truth.
Let's celebrate McArthur!! After all, he set Japan on a new path AND he whipped the Chinese in North Korea!
"Let's celebrate McArthur!! After all, he set Japan on a new path AND he whipped the Chinese in North Korea!"
Wow... some people really are falling into China's trap here and getting upset -- and if you know most of said posters, they are all pro white-washing when it comes to Japanese history, then suddenly self-righteous about China's. Again, they wouldn't be making such a big deal in the first place if other nations weren't making it fertile ground for them to do so. Same with the reclaimed land and now the mining for under-sea fuel -- was a joint research and development project until nationalists here had their way. China's just making this more of a big deal than usual to counter Abe's upcoming 'forward thinking apol-- err... comments', Tokyo buying islands, increasing defense spending, and taking EVERY SINGLE chance under the sun to try and alienate and point out China as a threat to peace in the region.
lucabrasi said it best: "The current Japanese government should be marking the occasion too. The defeat of imperialist Japan is something every decent human being should be celebrating....."
Those who need to belittle China by saying it wasn't even a nation then seem to think that Japan was (or should be) the same as it was before kneeling down and admitting defeat at the end of WWII.
Cogito Ergo Sum
@ Markus L .. You got that right. . The communist's fight was quite a slog. Some people seem to forget that they were fighting a guerrilla warfare which is about the only option left for a poorly armed force. Once, under some E. German ( Otto somebody) they tried to fight conventionally but with disastrous results prompting Mao to overrule Otto and revert back to the bush. Only people with a conviction of purpose can fight as they did under such horrendous odds. Trekking thousands of kms with no salary ,no kits and with rations from poor villagers and farmers. Generalismo Chiang Kai Shek always had mixed feelings about fighting his Japanese trainers ( A graduate of IJA academy) . At one point when he was asked to form a common front with all the Chinese Warlords to face the Japanese , he said " The Japanese are a disease of the skin, The communists are a disease of the viscera", so the Commies were mostly fighting two fronts - the nationalists and the Japanese. All in all. Mao did win, the nationalists ran to Taiwan, and it's their ( the Nationalists) prerogative to also hold parallel " 70 years anniversary win over Japanese aggression", They're are supposed to be independent, aren't they ? Personally, I think the Japanese didn't stop their bid for their desired objectives in 1945, they just shelved them , what they couldn't achieve by the barrel of the gun at that time, they continued by subterfuge and now , with what Abe is doing, it seems like they are ready to pick up from where they left off.
Another stupid anti Japanese propaganda from the evil communist to distract their own people from economy slump.
Oh, don't forget, it's not the CCP that fought war against the Japanese, but it's the KMT.
Aya Yamanaka Lmt
Love one another deeply from heart. Nobody likes threat, intimidation, war, competition, funeral.
Cogito Ergo Sum
Those who say it's Taiwan KMT Nationalists only who fought and won, need to also remember that they were all Chinese FIRST , till they crossed the straights, they were just CHINESE in a civil war. Taiwan ( much of it ) was also under the CHINESE Qing dynasty before Japanese colonized it. Taiwan/ Formosa, should also hold its own anniversary.
Bunch of clowns. They were hiding in caves while the Kuomintang was doing all of the fighting...
Heh-heh-heh . . What did he say? "I shall return." And when he did, he smoked his corncob pipe as the:
"We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control wherever situated."
Such and such statements were signed on the USS Missouri.
Not that facts typically mean much, but this should be reading material for anyone really interested in the history:
Especially for the CCP revisionists and their supporters...
Guerilla war fare? No. That's insulting the guerilla's for Communist forces were more like bandits who didn't give a damn about the welfare of Chinese people.
Cool. I encourage South Korean President Pak to attend as well for she was invited.
Sure they cared about the their own people. These were men who saw their mothers, fathers, brothers killed. Sisters raped. Cities destroyed.
These men later became fathers. Raising families. Men filled with love and trying to restore some sense of pride and stability to their state. Certainly- they weren't bandits. I ain't pro china, but even enemies can show respect.
Gotta love the BS narrative much like those anti-Japan war drama that they flood on TV airwaves.
Oh why stop with the Japanese Communist China?
Don't forget to celebrate Victory Over The U.S. since Communist China was directly involved with supplying Troops, Weapons, Pilots, & Warplanes to North Korea that directly contributed to the United States losing over 26,000 Young Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines during The Korean War. AND pat yourselves in the back for sending 100's of Chinese Military Advisors while under the directives of Mao Zedong to shoot down Dozens of U.S. Aircraft and 52 Bombers during "Operation Linebacker" over Hanoi during The Vietnam War. Any idea where our POW's and MIA's are China? You should know, you took several captive into mainland China never to be seen again.
Besides, Mao Zedong was just a Street Thug cowering in the hideouts of Shanghai with his useless band of Communist "Revolutionist" until The U.S. Drove out the Imperial Japanese OFF mainland China.
Let's not distort history here, The Communist "Revolution" during WW2 was about as useless as The Fench Resistance in France and again it wasn't until The U.S. Rolled into Paris that France was Liberated from the Nazi's.
It's just regretful that we Liberated those ungrateful, distrustful, backstabbing, murdering, genoicidal Communist Chinese in China.
LoL. The BS narrative is not so much BS after all. Look who gets to "throw it in your face" with a parade in Sept.
While Japan's PM has to use puppets and childlike "props" to flood the media airwaves. Pathetic.
McArthur had higher expectations of his (then) japanese subjects. Sad, after 70 yrs of peace and a flashy "economic boom" japan still cannot determine it's own future security.
So who's attending? Thanks for helping my argument.
Legacy of McArthur's failure in regards to security that haunts U.S. today.
Regardless of the many flaws of the Chinese government at the time, Chiang Kai-shek’s government, I think it’s fair to say that they never, neither then nor now, have been given sufficient credit for what has often been regarded as a purely American victory in Asia, and particularly the Pacific. The Chinese contribution up to now has generally been mostly dismissed or regarded as very minor and not really worth bothering with. I think as we move decades and decades away from the events themselves, it’s no longer tenable to retain that position.
Credit? Hell no. As a result of Operation Ichigo, the U.S. had to alter their plan to attack mainland Japan from China to South Pacific islands.
Let's not forget the fact that Chiang Kai Shek used Miao Pin as a mediator for immediate cease fire and to broker the IJA forces to join them in the fight against Communist.
Ha!! Doesn't haunt Japan tho.LoL, you people enjoyed decades & decades of peace. Baffling isn't it.
Irrelevant. It's a matter of chinese pride. After a century of humiliation, good for them. & my, my, my how the tables have shifted during last 70 yrs. Looked @ the East China Sea lately? Probably not. Yet, you still flap ur jibberish and snap ur friggn' fingers. Pathetic. Just like ur JT logo. Btw (how cute)
All because of "reinterpreting" the article 9 by the previous cabinets which includes the U.S. Seucurity Agreement, JSDF law and it's establishment of JSDF, and the revamped ANPO. It's really not 'baffling' at all.
It simply means that their humilation lingers on based on the BS narrative that they make up and this is just something to relieve this mental stress they imposed upon their brainwashed masses. Good for them.
Practially unguarded and unoccupied and yet the Chinese government still adheres to the median line which they claim they do not recognize. All this because of a piece of paper under Article 5 signed by two states.
Okay. Good retort. You know your stuff. I respect that. You had a couple points.
I ain't pro china. But the chinese are not bad people.
China is a product of their own environment. Let them enoy their drilling, victory, parades or whatever else is in store.
nigelboy JUL. 29, 2015 - 04:08AM JST Credit? Hell no. As a result of Operation Ichigo, the U.S. had to alter their plan to attack mainland Japan from China to South Pacific islands.
Chiang Kai-shek was essentially seen as a sort of embarrassment, associated with incompetence and corruption, with a whole variety of qualities that the U.S. didn’t find very attractive. But what was forgotten was the leader, through a whole swath of decisions, many of them very problematic and difficult, had nonetheless kept China in the war against Japan. First of all, on his own for over four years, and then of course as part of the very difficult alliance with the West for another four years after that.
ahh,, according to the PRC the Nationalist party does not exist- so all the work they did - naturally was performed by the PRC during the Great March
Brian J. Sheets
Chinese book all the Hotel rooms this year !
True, but when you include death tolls from other countries, Western Powers don't look so rosy. Especially when you consider they still committed atrocities after WW2 had finished. Yet, nobody was tried as war criminals.
All these posts, and articles is like taking a snapshot of an island and telling everyone this is how the world works.
I suppose the surrender ceremonies were held on board the Chinese Navy Ship, the USS Missouri?
If Imperial Japan had simply invaded Java, and taken the oil producing islands away from the Free Dutch colonialists, instead of attacking the US and Britain, they might have gotten away with it. The US really, really did not want to go to war, and the Brits already had their hands full in Europe. My dad told me that after the Pearl Harbor surprise attack, the Brits were wildly celebrating in the pubs, since the Japanese did for the Brits what nothing else could have done.....get the US into the war on the side of the Brits.
how about a logo with the number "40" depicting some starving peasants to "celebrate" Mao's 'victory' over the people during the cultural revolution?
Ah. Thought not
So here is "70", how about "140", "210",,,,, so showing off is not just one point in history.
Please attentively look at the delegations which participate in surrender ceremonies.
It was the end of World War II and lot of countries took part in that war.
@Olegek"... a lot of countries took part in that war."
The only Country (other than The United States) that actually engaged the Imperial Japanese Army & Navy was Australia. They sent the HMAS Canberra (D33) to assist The U.S. Navy at Guadalcanal, but unfortunately the HMAS Canberra was sunk during The Battle of Savo Island and she rests next to American and Japanese warships at the bottom of "Iron Bottom Sound".
The British tried to get back in The Pacific War, but the bulk of their forces where defeated & driven out of Singapore and their entire Pacific Garrison taken prisoner by the Japanese before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. That knocked Great Britain out of the Pacific War.
The United States took on 99.9% of ALL of the decisive engagements against the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy & WE defeated them Island by Island, Plane by Plane & Ship by Ship.
Again, Mao Zedong and his useless Revolutionist coward in the slums until WE Liberated The Chinese and drove the Imperial Japanese OFF Mainland China.
Hmm. The People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. World War II ended in 1945. They may be celebrating a victory, but it's not THEIR victory.
Congratulations on 70 years of peace, KMT, party of the Republic of China (Taiwan)!
Take that, PRC!
'Seven Pacific Northwest veterans of World War II leave for Tokyo Thursday. They're carrying 70 captured Japanese flags to return for the 70th anniversary of the end of the war.'
The anti-Japanese propaganda from China never stops, does it?
@Saketown"The United States took on 99,9% of ALL of the decisive engagements against the Imperial Japanese Army".
You should seriously adjust your historical knowledges. Soviets fought 1 000 000 men IJA in Manchuria. After that around 700 000 servicemen of IJA became POWs. The USA had nothing to do with it. That is why Chinese are going to celebrate "victory over Japan" together with Putin.
LOL. I suggest you do a bit of reading before posting.
Japan may have lost - but China did nothing to cause the win. Thats is why both countries have such massive complexes about what happened.
Interestingly enough what Japan did to its own people 60 years ago is actually quite similar to what China is doing to its own people today.
Nicholas, do a bit research please. The official death-toll of Japanese troops killed in China, according to the Japan Defense Ministry, is 480,000. That's 39% of the total number of Japanese troops who died during the war. Not only that, but due to it's size, huge amounts of munitions were bogged down in China (tanks, artillery, planes etc.). This had a major impact on other campaigns in the war. Many battles were fought during which Chinese troops fought with incredible bravery and suffered huge casualties (including battles in the Burma campaign). Although these battles may not have received the same amount of nationalistic chest-pumping that battles like Iwo Jima and Tarawa received, do you consider them meaningless? And the 20 plus million Chinese civilians who died (many due to biological warfare and the intensional spread of cholera, typhoid, plague and dysentery pathogens), I guess they were "nothing" as well. I wonder if many of the respondents to this article would dare to be as flippant about civilian victims of the Nazi atrocities?
Former PRC chairman Hu Jintao has made an official gratitude to Soviet Red army veterans who paticipated operation august storm, the Stalin order to liberate your Manchuria in August 1945 and I think present chairman Xi Jinping will follow that doctrine of recognizing the soviet liberation of China from Japan is Stalin efforts . US. has no role in liberating China. The soviet red army keave manchuria to CCP, later the foundation of Chinese red army to take mainland China of today PRC.
Australia was active in the post-war occupation of Japan, too, a fact that's often forgotten.
how did the war end anyway?and by who?
Oh brother. So dramatic.
Stupid and provocative in my opinion. What kind of immature mentality drives these decisions in China?
You don't see other nations doing this....because mature diplomatic global minded nations forgive and move on from what now is a long way in the rear view mirror. You don't forget, but you certainly don't take it as an opportunity to rub Japan's face in it and provoke ill-feeling. It reminds me very much of Primary school or nasty adolescents.
Sorry for a little lecture, but if USA really won WW II at its own cost it was a greatest achievement in the human history - but it was not so.
1 It was a World War II and not a war between Japan and America. The most powerful in Axis was Germany and not Japan.
And if Hitler could win on East Front - Axis would have won in whole World. After defeat of Red Army it will be no force on this planet to stop Wehrmacht .
Americans come to real fight in Normandy a little bit too late - in 1944.
2 Britain fought some time against Germany, Italy all alone. After that Japan attacked. Britons had a hard times...
But they fought against Japanese and they stopped them in west India.
3 Chinese had a very long and very bloody war against Japanese Army.
4 So Japanese Empire spend a huge amount of resources to make war against China and Britain on land.
5 9th August 1945 USSR declared war against Japan. And USSR had excellent and numerous Army and Air Force.
And these forces were VERY close to Japan. (Soviet invasion on Japanese islands can starts very quickly) ((Stalin want to occupied Hokkaido at his own cost - without any American help))
6 Japanese Navy was defeated by USA - it is so, but NOT whole Japanese Army.
Japanese Army was defeated by Chinese Britons Russians (on continent of course) and ...Americans.
By the way - USA was a industrial power number 1 on this planet during WW II. They produces 10 times more weapons
than Japan ( and much more up to date)
So I can't say that Americans done to much for the Victory regarding their immense resources.
Communist doing what Communist do.....boasting about accomplishments they never attempted nor achieved. How many generations are going to continue to blame one another for the actions of their ancestors??!! Outside of radical Islam, civilized and modern society should be educated enough to 'move on'.
@ Olegek.... that is an interesting point of view. So you say, because Americans had, and I'm laughing as I type this, "immense resources", they did not do much for the Victory. How does that make sense to you? Even though the USA fought most of the battles against the Japanese in the East they really didn't do much because they had "immense resources". Yeah.... maybe they should have reduced their "immense resources" first, that would have made for a more meaningful victory.
1 It was a WORLD war not a local conflict. USA was a first industrial power in the world.
What Americans have done to defeat Adolf Hitler before 6 June 1944 ?
US economy was stronger than Soviet and German together...
US just come to France before the end of the war.
2 We just can't compare Japanese industry in 30 th - 40 th with US ...
And if we talking about science ...
But US fight 3 long years against Japanese Imperial Navy...
Japanese Army mainly faught not against US Army
3 Try to see big picture.
USA had a most and best of industry and science during the war but what they really have done ???
USA can't lost a war against Japan even in worst case.
@ Olegek.... so what you're saying the 111,606 Americans that were killed or missing in the War against Japan was not a big deal because the had "immense resources"? That really the USA shouldn't celebrate the Victory because it was really nothing compared to what they could have done?
Nobody blame these American guys who fall to achieve Victory...
But Chinese or Russian lost much more human lives...
Problem was with US government not Army or Navy staff.
US should celebrate Victory Day -it's clear.
But all the same - Japan, Russia and Germany or Great Britain use all resources during the war
Every man, gun, piece of bread gallon of gas or machine-tool.
USA not. Simple fact.
Usually I am very critical of China. On this occasion though I'll give them a pass of sorts. Japan did do a heck of a lot of damage against outmatched Chinese forces, and Chinese civilians suffered greatly.
Japan though could not land a knockout blow against the Chinese, even after devastating defeats at Shanghai and Nanking, the remnants of the Chinese forces continued to retreat into the hinterland.
I don't have an issue with the Chinese recognising their losses in this way, as long as it is not once again used as a stick to beat Japan with.
The Chinese should put an asterisk on the logo because victory over Japan was much owed to the American forces.
@ Olegek.... what you fail to see is that America would have definitely fought to the bitter end to achieve victory. You think that we would have Surrendered and raised the White Flag if we lost more soldiers. Don't you understand that you are insulting every American when you say what you say?
At least they don't need to copy their logo!
Olegek: "Every man, gun, piece of bread gallon of gas or machine-tool. USA not. Simple fact."
Why would they if they didn't have to? None of the nations would have if they did not have to. If the US or other nations that were not under direct attack (arguably) HAD been attacked, they would have. THAT is the simple fact, my friend.
@ Olegek.... you seem to think that because Russia lost so many soldiers and civilians during WWII, that it entitles you to call Americans cowards. But you miss the point.... we didn't loose as many soldiers for One Main Reason, we were prepared, we didn't squander taxpayer money on beautiful Villas for the rich chosen few. Russia became a Communist country because of corruption and its inability to distribute wealth on a fair basis. Russia ended up having to sacrifice millions because the government thought only of itself. You should blame your own country for the staggering losses. But instead you still listen to the propaganda. America is weak.... America will only fight when the odds are on their side. That is what Putin tells you and you still fall for the crap they dish out. If the Russian press really had any freedom you might read the real truth but you prefer to go with the patriotic crap the government has feed you for the last 70 years. I'll take the USA.... where daily I read about how our government and politicians suck... but at least we know the truth....and with the truth we're more able to fix our problems.
Damn there's a lot of shots being fired in Asia between Japan and China especially with the anniversary of key events.
How people forget
The same Chinese government that starved tens of millions of its own people during their revolution really cares about the civilians who dies during WWII? I doubt that. It's been 70 years and they have to keep spiking a football when they did not score any touchdowns, its childish and immature...
The question was - why China celebrate this victory. So Chinese people really fought to the bitter end.
Not in theory but in real life. The question was not about USA but China.
I'm not called Americans cowards, I just said that US leaders saw no reasons to real fight in WW II.
By the way - good decision. Really wise. But US had no intention to save somebody from bad Hitler or aggressive Japan. US simply resolve its own geopolitical problems.
No - other reasons :
1 Two oceans - no Germany no Japan can really attack American territory.
2 As I said - at that time USA had strongest industry in the world - whole Axis produces less planes and ships than USA
US aviation industry was so strong can produce more planes than rest of the world ..
Once upon a time it was a really great nation...
3 This great nation come to Europe only when Wehrmacht was destroyed.
Just imagine - 1941 - US had a common land borders with Japan and Germany ( like Russia)
And German tanks moving toward Chicago..
Interesting historical alternative ?
@ Olegek.... The truth is... China defeated Japan in China but if the USA had not declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor, China would have had a much more difficult time. The USA defeated Japan in the Pacific.... which is why we call it mainly the "Pacific War". I'm not sure what books you've been reading... but I'll stick to my U.S. History books... sure there's some propaganda in there but I doubt nearly as much as the canned crap you get in Moscow. According to Russia you.... the Americans have never fought a real war.... and I'd have to agree with you.... but I'll put America up against Russia any day in a conventional war.... or would it not be fair because of our "immense resources'?