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-24 ( +5 / -29 )

This a China that joined RCEP along with Australia and who has had a free trade agreement with Australia for years. Regardless of any trade agreements held with China, if they want to manipulate your decisions in their favor they go to putting up trade barriers and tariffs. China can not be trusted in trade or anything else.

BOYCOTT CHINA!

23 ( +35 / -12 )

If Australia can persevere, it will do them good in the long run. Being dependent on Chinese sales is never a good position to be in.

31 ( +33 / -2 )

Autralians should tread warily:

When the American empire inevitably collapses and the last legions have gone, the Aussies are going to be standing naked before a mighty, angry, Chinese giant.

-33 ( +6 / -39 )

When the American empire inevitably collapses and the last legions have gone, the Aussies are going to be standing naked before a mighty, angry, Chinese giant.

China needs to tread wearily. If it starts any hostilities it will face being a divided nation ruled by many nations when it loses.

Tibet will be freed, the Uighur people will get their own nation and Taiwan will be recognized as a sovereign nation and included in the UN. Hong Kong will gain its independence and mainland China will be a memory with new borders dividing it like East and West Germany but with potentially many more divisions.

China has huge dissent inside its borders with unhappy people wanting to get a say on how things run and the freedom to disagree and to voice their honest opinions.

China needs to be very, very careful.

20 ( +26 / -6 )

This a China that joined RCEP along with Australia and who has had a free trade agreement with Australia for years. Regardless of any trade agreements held with China, if they want to manipulate your decisions in their favor they go to putting up trade barriers and tariffs. China can not be trusted in trade or anything else.

BOYCOTT CHINA!

I completely agree.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

Time for Biden to prove his rhetoric on China and call Taiwan a country. Then he should send a survey team to survey those artificial reefs that China built into islands to demonstrate China's illegal activities in the SCS. Then the UK should take back Hong Kong Island and the Kowloon Peninsula because China has obviously not fulfilled its obligations under the Sino British Joint Declarations.

Then Biden should prove he's better than Trump at international relations and get allies to come together and expel China from the WTO and the UN Sec Council.

Then India should help liberate Tibet.

Give Putin something to help liberate Xinjiang from China.

Let the French, Italian and German have their ways with China, they're desperate to retaliate for the covid deaths.

China can't be trusted, any time, anywhere. Let this Australia/China relation be a lesson for all. Despite a FTA, Australia is still subjected to economic attacks. China's words are poison.

14 ( +21 / -7 )

Chinese interests own 41 vineyards in Australia. All cheap barely drinkable swill. The stuff they actually produce in China is even worse. Chinese people like Australian wines for a very good reason.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

China must wearily tread. It would risk becoming a fragmented country governed by many if it begins any hostilities. China must wearily tread. It will face having a split country governed by several nations when it fails if it begins any wars. Nations when they're failing. Guess the price of Australian wine sold in China just got better. Makers around the world need a lesson in history, I promise.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

BOYCOTT CHINA!

I completely agree.

Another pipe dream. Too late. Going to stop buying anything Made in China? You can’t and won’t.

Are China wrong? Yes.

Were they given it on a silver platter? Yes.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

I love the Chinese people. It is their government I do not like.

15 ( +17 / -2 )

There goes the disaster Chinese government again.

China can never be a truly great country while Xi's CCP runs it.

21 ( +22 / -1 )

Cancel China. Bullies.

Ordered 72 bottles of Australian wine for my Australian and Japanese friends and family back in Oz.

23 ( +24 / -1 )

Australia isn’t ballsy enough to tell China where to go and isnt ballsy enough to retaliate.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

China represents the greatest threat to the world order since the Axis powers in WWII. This is precisely what awaits the rest of the world if China becomes the dominant world power.

21 ( +22 / -1 )

This is precisely what awaits the rest of the world if China becomes the dominant world power.

Bingo! Australia us the canary in the freeworld coal mine. It's a pity Australia is so weak it can't defend itself.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Another pipe dream

I have a spreadsheet on my phone, saved $6,489.54 so far not buying China products, I let the retailer know too. LOL, it has been a very good way to avoid unnecessary spending, boycott Chinese made products.

10 ( +16 / -6 )

Where were all your smartphone components made?

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

Australian wine is the new Goya beans? Business is business. It’s dirty yes and vote with your wallet yes. But boycott China? Too late and chest out bluster, can’t do it.

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

Where were all your smartphone components made?

South Korea

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Whichever you prefer; genie back in the lamp, Pandora’s box, Frankenstein’s monster, wine cork back in the bottle.

Western greed made this, blind eye and greed. Is it right? Hell no. But it is too late to suddenly notice it.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

Too late and chest out bluster, can’t do it

...call me old, call me cynical, but I've heard that one before. It's never too late to take that first step. I know I have and have not had a single regret.

Yes, I have had to do without, but you get over it quick, because it's easy when you factor in 'slave labor'.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Funny with all the bs tariffs and bs reasons by China for why so, the Biggest Oz export to China - iron ore - is currently being traded at double it's price since last year.

60% of it's iron comes from Australia and it is crucial in their climbing out of the corona induced economic quagmire as they rebuild & rebuild.

But no one seems willing to put an Australia response into the bs equation and suggest that - sorry we can't sell to you anymore as the quality is too low.

Up the price.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

But boycott China? Too late and chest out bluster, can’t do it.

The idea we should all just continue to make China stronger by buying Chinese goods makes less sense than boycotting China where ever possible. Other nations make smart phones buy European made. Other nations make clothes and foot ware by from India or Bangladesh or Turkey. Frivolousness little gadgets well you dont even need those so just dont buy them. Buy local food it is safer anyway. Buy Japanese or European cars and Trucks or locally if you have them. There are many options you just need to look around to find them.

Do not be deterred by those saying it is to late or you can't. Of course you can and it is not to late until China rules your country. Everyone everywhere can and should do all they can to BOYCOTT CHINA!

9 ( +11 / -2 )

is currently being traded at double it's price since last year

...the sad thing is, the same iron ore is probably being used to make weapons that will be used against Australia eventually, and China will probably say it's your fault for selling us the ore that made our warships.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

China is a big bully and it will learn a hard lesson one day. It is a threat to world peace and democracy. Well done Australia for standing up against this monster!

12 ( +13 / -1 )

Australia should slap similar tax on Chinese imports! Wait a minute difficult to do that on spies, bribes, and recipes. Just stop sending minerals and suck it up. They need them more than Australia needs to sell then. It's a marathon not a sprint.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Funnily enough trade tension has sent the price of iron ore and other minerals up thereby helping Australia. Cheers China. It's not like you buy that much wine anyway. Good luck with getting other countries to kowtow. Not gonna happen down under.

9 ( +9 / -0 )

Does really anybody drink that? If you have little money you surely would buy the cheapest possible French wine, no Australian, or you go for even cheaper Chilean or cannot afford any. And if you are rich you would also buy the most expensive French one that still fits into the budget.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

There are good wines and black angus beef which we buy.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

When the American empire inevitably collapses and the last legions have gone, the Aussies are going to be standing naked before a mighty, angry, Chinese giant.

Let me guess. Your visa to the US wasn't granted and you have plan B. Learn Chinese and study communism. Sad.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

stewie:

Chinese people like Australian wines for a very good reason.

The thing is, the Chinese themselves trust foreign products more. They're well aware of all the scandals concerning domestic food - diseased pork, gutter oil and all sorts of fake products. Fake handbags won't kill you, but fake food can do a lot of damage. And of course, there's the prestige of certain foreign products, including Japanese formula milk and nappies/diapers!!!

11 ( +11 / -0 )

As I have been saying now for over 3decades, we MUST stop feeding the MONSTER China the WEST helped create!!

Seems the world MIGHT now start to grow a pair & start the process but I think govts in the west are going to have to meet & FORCE big business to the table to STOP new investment in China & START the process of CLOSING investments in China, this MUST happen or at some point we will go to war that much I am certain of!

China needs to know that we will band together to defeat the Chinese govt & FREE its peoples!!

We did this with Japan & Germany in the 30s & 40s looks like we may have to do this again sadly.

Its some now or a HELL of a lot more later!!

I fee sorry for young people as they ARE going to have to live through this one.

Clearly if China prevails that is going to be an awful world to live in.

Need to STOP feeding the MONSTER, it has to start sooner rather than later!

9 ( +11 / -2 )

Do not be deterred by those saying it is to late or you can't. Of course you can and it is not to late until China rules your country. Everyone everywhere can and should do all they can to BOYCOTT CHINA!

But it is too late.

Of course you can and I support that fully. But your elected leaders and favourite brands won’t. That’s not going to happen.

Yes, it’s wrong.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

Belling the cat: it’s easy to come up with unrealistic solutions. 80% of the products in the world is said to be manufactured by China. We’d be boycotting ourselves.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Time to just slap china. And to think, canada' trudeau wanted to partake in joint military drills with china on canadian soil. Justine needs to take lessons from Scott Morrison.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

I am predicting that soon enough there will be a new trend similar to ‘organic’, where producers will label their products as ‘Made not in China’.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

So, those complaining about tax war and sanctions want to do what....tax war and sanctions.

Talking tough will get nowhere with China. We’ve made the bed, only option is to fluff up the pillow.

Negotiate, keep trade open, support and build up local industry. We can reduce reliance on Chinese manufacturing, but it’s too late to suddenly want to stop it.

A trade war or physical war with China is just not a sensible option at this stage.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Unlike Australia, The US has elected a strong leader in Biden, who’ll reign in China’s aggression. If Xi thought Trump was being a jerk for trying to establish free trade, wait until he gets a load of Biden. Too bad Aussies don’t have an adept leader as the US has in Biden. Biden is a smart chess player; he butters up his opponent before he checkmates them: “China is going to eat our lunch? C’mon man...I mean, you know, they’re not bad folks, folks. But guess what? They’re not competition for us,”

Hopefully Australia can find their Biden before it’s too late.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

The only people who will have reason to complain about the Chinese government slapping more tax on Australian wines are the people in China who buy the stuff. And from what I've seen, they're not Australia's best wines. And Chinese wines are truly swill for the drain. So really, who cares? I don't. I live in BC, and my local liquor stores all have very good selections of very good Australian wines. So does my wine cellar, by the way.

Wine? In China? Pfft!

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Australia was mean to China first, riding on the coattails of Trump's aggressive tone. 

Morrison said China was like Nazi Germany. 

"China condemns Australian MP's Nazi Germany parallel

Published8 August 2019" ---BBC

I don't buy from benders that are hostile to me. Condescending Australia and western "democracies" should stop interfering in China's domestic affairs. China has its way of doing things. It's always the west's "democratic" ideology that causes trouble in the world. 

Don't preach to other countries. Curb the enthusiasm to judge others with the western perspective. Then, there'll be no frictions. 

One more thing, most Chinese people like their government. Much more than "democratic" country citizens like theirs.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

gabrial888Today  09:50 pm JST

Australia was mean to China first, riding on the coattails of Trump's aggressive tone. 

Morrison said China was like Nazi Germany. 

But China IS like Nazi Germany.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

So WW3 is a good idea because we need to slap the ‘Nazi’ Communists in China?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

60% of it's iron comes from Australia and it is crucial in their climbing out of the corona induced economic quagmire as they rebuild & rebuild.

But no one seems willing to put an Australia response into the bs equation and suggest that - sorry we can't sell to you anymore as the quality is too low.

Up the price.

Yes. Impose an export duty on all commodities shipped to China with the size of the duty equal to the losses suffered by Australian businesses affected by Chinese tariffs. Dedicate the revenues from this export duty to funding those industries. Make the Chinese themselves pay for the damage their tariffs do to Australian industries.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

One more thing, most Chinese people like their government. 

No they don't. I have family in Shanghai that suffered greatly under the CCP. There is no love whatsoever for their government. They just know they are stuck with them and people ignore the government and laws to the extent they can get away with doing so. They love China but not the CCP or any part of the government. As my family likes to say, "the government does what it wants and we do what we want".

5 ( +6 / -1 )

So WW3 is a good idea because we need to slap the ‘Nazi’ Communists in China?

How does standing up to the Chinese diplomatically and commercially automatically equate to WWIII? Get a grip dude.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

I’ve been talking about a diplomatic and commercial approach. I didn’t start the ‘Nazi’ comparisons. Read the thread dude.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Wine? In China? Pfft!

You know nothing about China. My own family is thrilled to receive bottles of wine from California when we visit. They love wine there but its expensive. Wine has become a big deal in China especially among their prosperous business people and techies.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Australian government sold themselves out to China long ago...

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Arbitrary sanctions of this kind will hurt local Chinese liquor stops as well as consumers. And worse, even though Beijing decides to lift tariffs, the Assie wine is unlikely to come back to Chinese markets.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

The Aussies have a strong spirit of pride, and a strength and resilience that the rest of the world can often forget when talking to the people with the fun accents. They have a strong and proud military, and many Aussie solders gave their lives in WWII. On top of this, they are a nation with strong democratic principles in good standing with the other G7 nations. The CCP needs to watch itself here - they're treading on dangerous water. If they are too aggressive, they will expose their aggression for what it is, losing the advantage of the non-existence of clear proof that they are aggressors intending to extend their influence world wide.

Stand strong Australia. The world stands with you.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

Reroute that wine to Japan instead!

China's loss, my gain.....

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Well Trump started the fight with tariffs. Now Japan can sell more wine to Peoples Republic of China.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Time to get the WTO involved.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Why even bother doing trade or any other deals with China?

They are worth nothing. China only enters into these agreements to further their own interests and to look good in the face of wold opinion.

When things get strained, all kinds of issues appear from the Chinese end and they don't respect the agreements they have entered into, or just point back reneg on them

UNCLOS and the Nine Dash Line. The UN ruled against them even though this was a UN agreement they have signed up to.

Hong Kong as par of "One Country Two Systems" was agreed and signed with the UK. This was suppoaed to run until 2047, but China has renegged.

Trade deals with Australia . . . .mysteriously encounter issues.
2 ( +3 / -1 )

Time to get the WTO involved.

Yes, Australia has announced it will take the dispute to the WTO. But, IMHO, the WTO is toothless, if it was functional China would have been dealt with long ago for having state subsidies, and slave labor etc.

China has been playing the Martingale system and toss a coin for every dispute itself generated, and without limits Martingale ensures China comes out on top in the end. Just ask the Germans atm.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Stand strong Australia. The world stands with you.

It would be a huge symbol of solidarity if Trump and Biden shows unity and initiate formal recognition of Taiwan as country and be joined by all allies. That would be a spectacular welcome to 2021! Newest country in the world 'Republic of Taiwan' 01/01/2021.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

China's foreign ministry has demanded Australia take unspecified steps to repair relations.

China is an ugly-like-sin bully.

This bully has publicly stepped up its political intimidation and harassment, and imposed unfair tariff on Australian products since Australia joined the QUAD and pushed for an inquiry into Covid pandemic.

I doubt whether China – with the above-mentioned demand – would succeed in keeping Australia in line while Scott Morrison already demanded an apology from China over its repugnant tweet attacking the Australian Defence Forces on November 30, 2020.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

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