China telecom giants threaten U.S.: Congress panel

How unforunate the so called 'US national security' was so so much 'FRAGILE'! Perhaps the Wen Ho Lee nightmare still haunting America!

“ and you care about the national security of the United States of America.”

Business means business...all business people has no 'fatherland'! This is common sense!

All governments issue licences for the telecoms industry worldwide, so who can be trusted, who is not to say that on issuing those licenses that each home grown telecom giant won't be favourable to its home country. Why just pick on the Chinese ?

“Based on available classified and unclassified information, Huawei and ZTE cannot be trusted to be free of foreign state influence and thus pose a security threat to the United States and to our systems,”

No new surprise here, every corporation in the world that the PRC has it's claws in can not be trusted.

PRC is not a nation that can and will produce new ideas, they steal it.

They remind me of locust.

Business means business...all business people has no 'fatherland'! This is common sense!

Try telling that to the Japanese auto and electronics makers and retailers in China, who last month had their facilities smashed and ransacked to the tune of several billions of yen. Using rioting mobs to drive one's competitors out of business (and out of the country) seems to be common sense to the Chinese government.

JoeBigs: "PRC is not a nation that can and will produce new ideas, they steal it."

Do you know that only three posts on your entire history (well, first page, anyway), don't mention the 'evil' PRC or have you bashing China? In many cases it's deserved, of course, but you seem obsessed.

If they are indeed engaged in or working for 'cyber-terrorists' then they should indeed be blocked, but some of this smacks of protectionism.

That's one excuse for worrying about competition... maybe every country should bleat on about national security when they feel their own companies are at risk of losing sales to foreign competition.

US is the first country to block the Huawei. Three years ago India stopped these Chinese companies as they find it the source codes are not trust worthy......Most of the Major Chinese firms are formed and supported by Chinese govt and military... This is the way they looted all the rare earth from Africa...Africans did not know what was going there in the plants in their country. They did not know the value of the earths which China digging in their country. China acted as a savior by giving them few Japanese Yen as ODA and bribe...

Americans were also extremely nervous and feeling threatened back in the 80s when a prosperous Japan was 'buying up' property, even though Britain, which didn't provoke similar loathing, surpassed Japan in its American holdings.

That's what USA get for pampering China and helping them progress in technology. Chinese cannot be trusted. But of course there are exceptions.

Chinese espionage over America through internet or other electronic channesl? Huwaei and ZTE were Trojans used to slaughter American people? Was that a bit 'thriller friction' or 'witch hunting came back to live'?Look at what is real, China's research and development capability has rolled out her second type of Stealth fighter, dont be surprised if she roll out a Stealth bomber someday! America has been addicted with 'Narcissism' and that is unhelpful for her recovery from decline!

China's research and development capability has rolled out her second type of Stealth fighter

You mean the one that looks exactly like an F-22? lol... I think the US has plenty of reason to distrust China and its telecoms.

"threaten U.S."

Ha ha, why would the Chinese want to threaten their best customer?

Business means business...all business people has no 'fatherland'!

Tell that to the Chinese companies that are run by the PRC government....

This goes to show that with wall street running the US government they'll sell their own mothers just to make a buck.

Huawei was founded and has been run since by a Peoples Liberation Army officer and military technology researcher. It was never publicly traded in the US or Hong Kong because it would have to do extensive financial disclosure. Wouldn't that already set off a couple of warning with everyone?

As a the NY Times wrote: "It basically reflects what I think is a growing challenge for Chinese companies as they seek to expand globally: they are bumping into a glass ceiling — how the Chinese government behaves and is perceived internationally.”

How it is perceived internationally? Well Japanese companies had a taste of it the past few weeks. Need one say more?

People want to do business but those same people dont have a trustworth background. I've read that a majority of the cyber attacks the US government websites are from China. Businesses use them (China) because they are cheap but they turn right around and copy products, stealing designs. Why the US continues to have relations with China is beyond me. If someone on the governmental side is wary of such business ventures and national securities issues then I'd follow that hunch. China has no beautiful track record nor shows signs of being friendly and not wanting to take the US down. I don't trust them.

The integrity and independence of Huawei from PRC are oxymoron, same as democracy and freedom of expression under communist China. Besides, it is "an internal matter" (Chinese style of speaking) for U.S. to safeguard its interest. China will try to exploit the openness in the West at all cost, since it is the way to catch up its modernity!

This conclusions will create more U.S. roadblocks for the Chinese companies in the U.S. market. There is a rumors of unauthorized processing and sending of information. Possiblities would be that Chinese Huawei and ZTE router that turns on in the middle of the night and sends large packets of sensitive U.S. company data to China.

smithinjapanOct. 08, 2012 - 03:23PM JST JoeBigs: "PRC is not a nation that can and will produce new ideas, they steal it." Do you know that only three posts on your entire history (well, first page, anyway), don't mention the 'evil' PRC or have you bashing China? In many cases it's deserved, of course, but you seem obsessed.

Does any of that change the fact that any corporation associated with the PRC is in fact an arm of the PRC?

Nope, all you have shown is that I have a valid point for not trusting the PRC.

Why do you dislike Japan and the West so much?

smithinjapanOct. 08, 2012 - 03:23PM JST If they are indeed engaged in or working for 'cyber-terrorists' then they should indeed be blocked, but some of this smacks of protectionism.

Have you not kept up with the news? This is nothing new, the PRC has been heavily involved in cyber theaft and terrorism for years. They have been on an all out war to gain as much information as they can.

In tecnology the PRC is behind the by over 20 and they want to close that gap. The only way they can do it is by theft.

just-a-bigguyOct. 08, 2012 - 07:17PM JST Look at what is real, China's research and development capability has rolled out her second type of Stealth fighter,

If you want to know where they came up with this idea read this.

China cracked into British defense firm BAE Systems’ computers and siphoned off large amounts of data on the design, performance, and other characteristics of the F-35. Elements of the J-31’s general configuration and contours also resemble those of Lockheed Martin’s twin-engine F-22 Raptor.

The PRC can not come up with anything original of it's own, everything is a cheap knockoff.

JoeBigs Oct. 09, 2012 - 07:27AM JST The PRC can not come up with anything original of it's own, everything is a cheap knockoff.

I wouldn't take it that lightly. Everyone in the world knows that the Chinese take the West's creativity, takes it apart and makes it in their own name. The Chinese government even sents thousands of people over to study in major U.S. universities and work in Silicon Valley companies to learn creativity and bring it back to China. China lets someone else do the hard work, pinch it, and claim it as their own.

The Chinese J-20 may look like a stealth fighter, but looks are nothing compared to performance. It may come apart in a dog fight and it may be easily detectable from 200 miles away. Just because it looks like a stealth fighter doesn't mean it is. It's still unproven but they are getting close.

Have you not kept up with the news? This is nothing new, the PRC has been heavily involved in cyber theaft

Completely agree, there's no reasonable doubt about it, they have hard evidence, they know where the attacks originate, they probably even have mac addresses of the hardware (and serials of pirated windows software) used to conduct the attacks.

and terrorism for years. They have been on an all out war to gain as much information as they can.

Terrorism, now that's a bit of a stretch, even for china.

In tecnology the PRC is behind the by over 20 and they want to close that gap. The only way they can do it is by theft.

Also completely agree, probably more in some areas.

I'm not even sure why these people are trying to deny that China owns and runs those companies, even if they claim they are private corporations. There is no such thing in China.

JoeBigs: "Nope, all you have shown is that I have a valid point for not trusting the PRC."

Actually, what I've shown is your obsession with the PRC, and how one-sided it is, to the point where it makes a lot of your arguments moot due to subjectivity.

"Have you not kept up with the news? This is nothing new, the PRC has been heavily involved in cyber theaft and terrorism for years."

Perfect example, thank you. This article is about two particular countries, not the entire nation you are against. It talks about suspicions of A and B company supporting cyber-terrorists and you jump on here and blame all of China for whatever ails you at the moment.

Sigh... "This article is about two particular countries..." It should read COMPANIES, not countries.

smithinjapanOct. 09, 2012 - 09:28PM JST "Have you not kept up with the news? This is nothing new, the PRC has been heavily involved in cyber theaft and terrorism for years."

Yes I have and maybe that's one of the reasons I do not trust them.

smithinjapanOct. 09, 2012 - 09:28PM JST Perfect example, thank you. This article is about two particular countries, not the entire nation you are against. It talks about suspicions of A and B company supporting cyber-terrorists and you jump on here and blame all of China for whatever ails you at the moment.

The PRC is in full control of the entire nation and it's agents/party members are part of all it's corporations. There is no difference between the Government and the comapies they are one in the same. You really need to stop being so naive and open your eyes.

smithinjapanOct. 09, 2012 - 09:28PM JST Actually, what I've shown is your obsession with the PRC, and how one-sided it is, to the point where it makes a lot of your arguments moot due to subjectivity.

Now why are you so obsessed with me? Have I struck a cord with your love of that nation and you feel you must come to their defense? But I do find it very interesting how you claim to not trust them, but in the same sentence you defend their actions as being normal.

Which is it, are they a threat to world peace or are they a peace loving nation. You can not have your cake and eat it at the same time.