China vows 'resolute countermeasures' after U.S. arms sale to Taiwan

Important to observe Taiwan province has zero UN-recognition.

Like Macau and Hong Kong, it is part of Beijing's real estate package.

Taiwan is independent. Don't listen to China.

Are they going to drag more anchors on the bottom of the ocean looking to catch undersea fibre cables? Like they did in the Baltic Sea? Of course, it was by accident ... er ... twice. Or will they "accidentally" break an undersea oil pipeline again?

Or setup more overseas "police" stations run from restaurants and laundry shops to hunt and harass anyone who appears Chinese into not using their free speech rights inside those countries?

Is that resolute?

With China, it is hard to tell, but usually it looks like incompetence and foreign interference. OTOH, they will ship CPUs, support chips and other dual-use items to Russia to aid killing Ukrainians without a second thought.

Taiwan will never invade or attack China first. Same can be said of all other countries, except Russia. Nobody wants land in China, except the border countries where China has built towns, slowly shipping in more and more Chinese to live on and across the borders. Pick almost any border country and there are newly built Chinese towns straddling it full of Chinese people. India, Tibet, and others have over 600 new villages. This isn't a small scale operation. China is slowly, methodically, expanding into foreign countries on land. They are attempting to do the same in the sea. This is the CCP being aggressive, not the other countries, though they have every reason to send troops to each of those towns and force-ably remove all the Chinese newly settled.

Any fears of that any other country wants part of China are just foolish, but the CCP keeps telling average Chinese that others want to invade as a way to misdirect incompetent political leaders.

Military escalation ladder only benefits US military industrial complex, time to cut a deal before it goes kinetic. Taiwan has no path to military victory obviously.

Love the idea of those Taiwanese who choose to do so finding a new friendlier place to live, like Japan. Maybe they can buy Shikoku?! We need the people and talent, especially their tech. prowess!

Alternatively, PI surely has available islands! Let's not repeat the Ukraine madness.

Yeah, yeah. Time for the PRC to acknowledge it has no hope of reclaiming the island.

JJEToday 02:57 pm JST

Important to observe Taiwan province has zero UN-recognition.

Important to observe Taiwan has more recognition than russia's disgraces.

Like Macau and Hong Kong, it is part of Beijing's real estate package.

And Donbas and Crimea are part of Ukraine's.

Important to observe Taiwan province has zero UN-recognition.

No, that is completely irrelevant.

About as important as recognizing that PRC had zero UN-recognition from 1949 to 1971.

China vows 'resolute countermeasures' after U.S. arms sale to Taiwan

Perhaps China will offer to sell Taiwan weapons at a much cheaper rate than the US. That would show America who's boss!

HopeSpringsEternalToday 03:31 pm JST

Military escalation ladder only benefits US military industrial complex, time to cut a deal before it goes kinetic. Taiwan has no path to military victory obviously.

Love the idea of those Taiwanese who choose to do so finding a new friendlier place to live, like Japan. Maybe they can buy Shikoku?! We need the people and talent, especially their tech. prowess!

Alternatively, PI surely has available islands! Let's not repeat the Ukraine madness.

There is no deal in which 24 million people go under CCP terrorism or relocate themselves.

Another threat from one of the world bullies.

These dictatorships-in-essence are really predictable. Always yelling about what they're going to do, how they're going to carry out a Really Serious Response, which will Shake The Decadent West to its Core, blah blah. Hard not to laugh at them, although that's probably the best response; such countries take themselves oh-so-seriously and hate not being taken seriously.

Funny how those US mercenaries, with less than two months to go, and being as irrelevant as ever, (see Austin, Blinken) trying hard to get a paycheck on those hedge funds boardroom, approving all sorts of arms orders. It does not matter the hundreds thousand deaths their decisions caused in Ukraine and Middle East already. They symbolize the heart and soul of Washington

Options = relocate (many Taiwanese are), re-unify or die.

Most people are pragmatic = prefer to avoid death, thus re-unify or relocate are only viable solutions for Taiwanese.

Outflow of Taiwanese not widely reported, many buying homes abroad including Japan. Likely fewer than 20M residents there without some serious foreign option(s).

Taiwanese have been working on their risk mgmt. and Trump's election will only increase their urgency due to Ukraine's clear precedent that nuclear war between superpowers is off the table (thankfully) etc.

Expect about 10M Taiwanese to remain if remainder of population is given good foreign relocation options, especially the elderly and less educated.

FosToday 04:46 pm JST

It does not matter the hundreds thousand deaths their decisions caused in Ukraine

Still Putin's War

HopeSpringsEternalToday 04:51 pm JST

Options = relocate (many Taiwanese are), re-unify or die.

Options for the CCP = acknowledge Taiwanese independence, continue shouting and stamping, or start WW3 with all of the damage that entails for China.

Most people are pragmatic = prefer to avoid death, thus re-unify or relocate are only viable solutions for Taiwanese.

As usual mainlanders project their own sorry state onto others who lead perfectly comfortable lives.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 04:59 pm JST

Outflow of Taiwanese not widely reported, many buying homes abroad including Japan. Likely fewer than 20M residents there without some serious foreign option(s).

Guess it is good then that the main battle will not depend on Taiwanese troops or civilians to do the fighting.

Problem with war, it damages everyone, not just combatants. Just look at terrible damage to purchasing power of currencies globally, drop in trade, etc.

Taiwan war would be far worse than Ukraine to the global economy. We could expect very severe uptick in inflation and far worse impact on global supply chains.

Let's move those willing Taiwanese to Shikoku with open arms, Japan really needs their help to revitalize!

Arming separatists and creating confrontation, rather than upholding public decency by positively facilitating the peaceful reunification of land that is historically part of China. A wise deputy FM mentioned just that in an article here one week ago.

You'd think Nikita "transferred" it administratively after a few bottles, as an token anniversary present, and it has/had the title "Autonomous Republic" in its title.

Not the case here at all.

Arming separatists and creating confrontation, rather than upholding public decency by positively facilitating the peaceful reunification of land that is historically part of China.

Allow me to translate that from CCP-ish to Engiish: handing Taiwan over to the CCP and turning your back while they exact some kind of heinous revenge which will make the Tiananmen square incident look like a picnic.

Agreed, those that want to remain behind, need to reunify in earnest. Let's just give their citizenry good options in those MANY cases reunifying with CCP a no go.

It must be nice being a simp for every wannabe dictator across the globe. No need to think, no need for morals. Just operate on the basis that the big guys get to take over whoever they want just because they can.

The modern day equivalents of the "oh, that Mr. Hitler? He's all bluster, he won't do half of what he says, and if he does? Well so what? If the other countries can't stop him, then it's survival of the fittest, isn't it?"

China vowed "resolute countermeasures" on Sunday to a recently approved U.S. arms sale to Taiwan, 

China could put this whole matter to rest by resolutely denouncing the use of military force to take Taiwan.

But no, they prefer to remain a threatening aggressor.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 05:10 pm JST

Problem with war, it damages everyone, not just combatants. Just look at terrible damage to purchasing power of currencies globally, drop in trade, etc.

Taiwan war would be far worse than Ukraine to the global economy. We could expect very severe uptick in inflation and far worse impact on global supply chains.

All the more reason why Xi had better think twice before touching that hot coal.

Let's move those willing Taiwanese to Shikoku with open arms, Japan really needs their help to revitalize!

There is no need for Taiwanese to leave their island. They've been living with the threat of annihilation for 75 years.

Agreed, those that want to remain behind, need to reunify in earnest. Let's just give their citizenry good options in those MANY cases reunifying with CCP a no go.

I'm sure that small minority that wants a piece of CCP thuggery can leave at any time.

JJEToday 05:14 pm JST

Arming separatists and creating confrontation, rather than upholding public decency by positively facilitating the peaceful reunification of land that is historically part of China. A wise deputy FM mentioned just that in an article here one week ago.

Taiwan is the original and legal government of China. There is no decent action that doesn't uphold the law.

You'd think Nikita "transferred" it administratively after a few bottles, as an token anniversary present, and it has/had the title "Autonomous Republic" in its title.

In its title but not at all in practice for Crimea before russia's illegal activities. In contrast, Taiwan is in practice independent all on their own.

Abraham Lincoln could have done what you suggest but did not and rightly so. The Island of Taiwan separated from Mainland China by Japanese imperialism and USA Cold War policy will be reincorporated into China maybe in your lifetime, maybe not. You are but a non Chinese observer.

China could put this whole matter to rest by resolutely denouncing the use of military force to take Taiwan.

Said some hopeful Ukrainian general years ago, now dead.

Guess it is good then that the main battle will not depend on Taiwanese troops or civilians to do the fighting.

Boils down to practicality, Taiwan retaining status quo in perpetuity is simply not in the cards, thus time is now to cut deal(s).

Everyone understands as FDI in Taiwan is essentially Zero now, folks like Warren Buffet won't touch their semi-industry anymore etc. It's WAY too risky.

Taiwan is no longer considered a 'going concern', dead man walking, zombie, etc. Nobody said life was fair.

Taiwan is controlled by the Republic of China, established in 1912. The People's Republic of China was established in 1949. Taiwan has never been under the control of the PRC. Ever.

The people of Taiwan deserve to choose their own future. Not having it forced down their throats at gunpoint.

Welcome to U.S. soil President Lai!

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/11/30/breaking-news/taiwan-president-arrives-in-honolulu-at-start-of-pacific-trip/

Needless to say China will get their panties in a knot as usual.

deanzaZZRToday 05:35 pm JST

Abraham Lincoln could have done what you suggest but did not and rightly so.

Abraham Lincoln was leading the legitimate government of the US as Chiang Kai-shek was for China. Abraham was also not looking at a 75 year pause in his "civil war" and a backing of the Confederacy by a nuclear power.

The Island of Taiwan separated from Mainland China by Japanese imperialism and USA Cold War policy will be reincorporated into China

It is the Mainland that was separated by running dogs of the Soviets.

maybe in your lifetime, maybe not.

How many hundreds of years is this going to take?

You are but a non Chinese observer.

So are you.

Said some hopeful Ukrainian general years ago, now dead.

A nonsensical comparison.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 05:41 pm JST

Boils down to practicality, Taiwan retaining status quo in perpetuity is simply not in the cards, thus time is now to cut deal(s).

Everyone understands as FDI in Taiwan is essentially Zero now, folks like Warren Buffet won't touch their semi-industry anymore etc. It's WAY too risky.

Taiwan is no longer considered a 'going concern', dead man walking, zombie, etc. Nobody said life was fair.

The status quo is never "impracticable". It remains to be seen whether Xi will touch that hot coal. Many of your apologist friends swear up and down that there will never be a war over Taiwan.

Trump's election and Biden's folly in Ukraine have in effect thrown Taiwan under the Xi/China bus.

Just a question of details now. I'd suggest many there who seek to avoid life under the CCP, find safer quarters abroad = cut deals while you can and thrive elsewhere.

JJEToday 02:57 pm JST

Important to observe Taiwan province has zero UN-recognition.

How many times have you tried this tired line now? I think you need some new material: the old stuff is very, very stale.

FosToday 04:46 pm JST

Funny how those US mercenaries, with less than two months to go, and being as irrelevant as ever, (see Austin, Blinken) trying hard to get a paycheck on those hedge funds boardroom, approving all sorts of arms orders.

Trump approved more arms sales to Taiwan than Biden. And with the amount of China hawks in his cabinet, you can bet those sales will continue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwan#DonaldTrump(2017-01-20_%E2%80%93_2021-01-20)

deanzaZZRToday 04:47 pm JST

Too funny how the same sorry crew of China haters predictably bark at the predictable 'China bad' red meat article.

We're simply telling people the truth about China, in contrast to the sorry crew of CCP bootlickers that promote their brutal, totalitarian dystopia.

Also backed these days by the Kremlin mouthpieces... at least until Xi steals Russia's far East.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 05:41 pm JST

Boils down to practicality, Taiwan retaining status quo in perpetuity is simply not in the cards

And which cards are these exactly? Ones that you just made up?

Massive capital and human outflow out of Taiwan for years now and accelerating, FDI is GONE, those are the cards = Taiwan's not a going concern

HopeSpringsEternalToday 06:23 pm JST

Biden's folly in Ukraine

Looks like you spelled "Putin's" wrong.

I'd suggest many there who seek to avoid life under the CCP, find safer quarters abroad = cut deals while you can and thrive elsewhere.

And people will rightly ignore your advice that they should submit to a totalitarian dictatorship.

HopeSpringsEternalToday 06:34 pm JST

FDI is GONE, those are the cards

FDI has literally nothing to do with sovereignty. But since you mentioned it, FDI into Taiwan is doing fine.

FDI into China, however, is at 30-year lows. You see, aggressive, totalitarian dictatorships do not make good investment destinations.

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/foreign-direct-investment-to-china-slumps-to-30-year-low

JT readers should know, Warren Buffet exited his TSMC stake strictly BECAUSE of China risk, he admitted he still loves TSMC stock, just this 'China overhang' problem.

Elon Musk's views are also well known on this matter. Nobody in their right mind is investing in Taiwan, including the Taiwanese with massive capital flight.

That's it in a nutshell folks, only suicidal types pretend Taiwan will remain independent of the CCP, only just a question of when and how it unfolds.

All this JT "passion" in world amounts to essentially nothing regarding Taiwan, just like Ukraine. Reality bites.

Taiwan province has been a part of China since time immemorial.

Another peninsula, in another land, falls into that category by any decent reading of a book.

These are the historical facts of the matter - both ways.

I can sense a bit of panic mode here :)

All those US investors trying to spread the Washington prop about how “morally right” is to sell another bunch of weapons to Taiwan for the sake of deterrence and then a likely war down the line. Yeah right! It is like learning from Americans how to cook or eat properly. Asia does no need warmongers = America

Asia welcomes China because China is part of Asia, that would be the starting point of any conversation.

Taiwan province has been a part of China since time immemorial.

The People's Republic of China (PRC) has only existed since 1948.