China warns of chaos if Hong Kong protests persist

There's already "chaos" in Hong Kong. And, according to TV reports, there seems to be a news blackout on this problem in China. Thus, when Chinese tourists go to Hong Kong for shopping and sightseeing, they are surprised at what they are seeing and experiencing. They are seeing "chaos" all over the place ... something they did not expect.

The real "chaos" China is afraid of is what might happen in Tibet and the Islamic Uighur area. And even the citizens of Taiwan are leaning toward supporting freedom in Hong Kong. In turn, the Taiwanese might start noisy demonstrations against getting too close to China diplomatically. If these areas start getting too noisy, Beijing might find itself in the midst of total "chaos."

So ... if China wants to ease the tense situation in Hong Kong, wouldn't it be best if they back off their efforts to fully control the government and the citizens' lives in Hong Kong? This the government in Beijing does not want. So what's the answer? More "chaos" ... I guess ...

this is how all fights start. the chinese government has essentially told the HK people f-you and the HK are responding in kind. the question is who blinks first. unless someone blinks, this will not end well.

What China should realise is that the protesters are concerned only with Hong Kong, their homeland, and not the Chinese mainland. They are not interested in campaigning for democracy on the Chinese mainland because they see themselves as being quite separate from mainlanders (which is why they now tend to call themselves Hong Kongese rather than Hong Kong Chinese).

China could stop these protests by having free and fair elections and it would be perfectly possible to live with this political anomaly under the one country two systems agreement. Instead, China actively wants to curtail freedom.

For all those who believe that China is truly 'opening up', here is evidence that it is not. It has simply learnt how to manipulate the avarice of others.

You've got to admire the spirit and pray for the success of the people of Hong Kong, but, at the same time, looking at Hong Kong in relation to China is like a flea on the behind of a really big, dumb elephant getting ready to sit down.

Every time I get annoyed by some living in Japan thing, I stop and thank the heavens I dont live under China rule.

It is in the interest of a stable and prosperous Hong Kong that the present political stalemate should end peacefully!

Ironically, Hong Kong's world press freedom ranking is higher than Japan's, yet Hong Kong people are out there protesting.

It's very traditional for the CCP to always blame other entities for ANYTHING that goes wrong. That should really be no surprise.

China has had every possible chance to stop this from spurting up for a long while, but they wanted to be so "patriotic" that they had to put all the effort to support LCY as he's also a member of "the party" and a "tongzhi", when in reality, he's an extremely incompetent weasel and the public discontent has a lot to do with how amazingly bad he really is as a CE.

Once again, don't be surprised at the CCP's antics. Blaming everyone else and blanket anti-foreigner xenophobia is widely accepted and encouraged by their circles as being "patriotic". Incidentally this also means Japan. So, don't be surprised if you see another "patriotic decree" with things like anti-Japanese movies etc, soon.

How much longer is China going to be governed by the Communist Party? There are only a handful of nations left in the world still governed by communists...

@Serrano

China is currently about as communist as Victorian Britain.

@lucabrasi

Last time I checked the Chinese Communist Party was still in complete control of the government there.

@Serrano

So you believe that the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is democratic?

Names are names, nothing more.

lucabrasi, no one in their right mind would think DPRK which it's one-candidate "elections" is democratic, but just ask the CCP whether they are democratic and I'll wager they would reply in the negative. The actions speak far louder than mere words. That said, it's obvious the CCP tolerates some capitalism but for their own power gain.

@John

Some of us still hold out hopes for genuine, people-led socialism/communism,

I understand your fears, but still believe it's the only way for humanity if we're to avert an economic/environmental crisis.

The current Chinese government is so far from Communism, it's a joke.

Only one phase comes into my mind, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

China dropped the ball on this by insisting that the only ones allowed to run for office had to be approved by China's government, and therefore be a member in good standing of the government's sole political party. Hong Kong was fine with being part of China as long as China didn't try to come in and re-mold the city into a form it's residents did not want. Now Honk Kong residents are realizing that the agreement China made with Britain was a sham and that Hong Kong's "freedoms" were only in place until China could bolster their military enough to contend with international outrage when the Hong Kong pogrom is started.

@Papi2013

Ironically, Hong Kong's world press freedom ranking is higher than Japan's, yet Hong Kong people are out there protesting.

Press freedom only allows you to realize you are under someone else's control. As for what to do about it....

China is communist in name only, not practice. If past is prologue, the future of Hong Kong is already set in stone by the establishment in Beijing.

The whole history of China is once of chaos. However, it seems the protests in Hong Kong were all in vain; all the protestors got was a promise of "talks" with some official which will amount to nothing. It is the same in any country run by corrupt despots; the ones holding the guns have all the power.

"Some of us still hold out hopes for genuine, people-led socialism/communism,"

Right, since imposed poverty on all is so much better than individual opportunity for success.

lucabrasi: Some of us still hold out hopes for genuine, people-led socialism/communism, ... The current Chinese government is so far from Communism, it's a joke.

Apparently there's one People's Commune left using communally-owned land, 300km southwest of Beijing. The others all went to a 'household contract' land rental system years ago. Apparently because the system was (reportedly) so successful.

Similar articles about the "last People's Commune" appeared in 2006 in BBC, so it's been a while.

http://www.icrosschina.com/insideout/2014/0626/823.shtml

... China's only surviving "People's Commune" of Zhoujiazhuang that continues today in the northern Hebei Province. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household-responsibility_system

@Yogi I don't know why you care, Yogi. Unfortunately all communist countries have turned out to be dictatorships. Commentators are merely putting the PRC in the proper place: the criminals of the world.

@John Galt That's not going to happen. China is showing us what there real Intentions are now.......They have been for 7 years. Once there market reached a level, they stated, lying and lying saying groundless to ever accusations, and every accusation made to there "groundless" was 100% correct.

We must punish them and the first step is by putting a freeze on there growth. Cap them at 6% that will hut there economy as there out look can't be anymore then what it is now, so 6%.

The second rounds of punishment or "sanctions" must be a 1% cutback of their growth %. It will go to 5%. Before we do that we need to start a small west fund, that will put in $2 billion dollars each, that will get invested in India. Before we start to take away their allowed growth %, we will look at what china's market, to what India could make too. We can look at what products to sanction.

So we will now look at a product that is having growth in china. So when you invest in India to make up for their drop off, you will also know its got growth. So when take away 1% from china, India's investment can put out 2 or 3% growth in that product/market. We can 100% me very smart and target what we know we can set up easily in India and fast................ Something that has seen growth.

We all know "outlook" runs the world markets. When we sanction them products and china, we have also shown a better "outlook" because we have already invested in India, and a bigger % will be pumped out. The outlook for china will not be good, but it will show we are investing in there drop off, and that investment has a very good "outlook" and growth.

We can punish china Y not hurting the world economy. Just remember a freeze on china's growth will hurt them... but not crush the world markets. China is still pumping out 6%. We can also cut them back a % why pre investing in what we are going to sanction. That we make up for any bad reaction in the outlook on the market, but china will be crushed from within.

Right, since imposed poverty on all is so much better than individual opportunity for success.

As compared to the US, where the bottom 60% of the people hold only 2% of the wealth.

"The greatest trick the devil ever performed was convincing people that he wasn't real".

The greatest trick the 1-percenters ever performed was convincing people that they actually had a chance for upward mobility in unregulated capitalism.

We must now act.

China is showing us what there real Intentions are now.......They have been for 7 years. Once there market reached a level, they started, lying and lying saying groundless to ever accusations, and every accusation made to there "groundless" was 100% correct.

We must punish china, the first step is by putting a freeze on there growth. Cap them at 6%....that will hurt there economy as there "outlook" can't be anymore then what it is now, so 6%.

The second rounds of punishment or "sanctions" must be a 1% cutback of their growth %. It will be 5% cap on there growth. Before we do that, we need to start a small west fund, that will put in $2 billion dollars each, that will get invested in India. Before we start to take away their allowed growth %, we will look at what china's market, to what India could make too. We can look at what products to sanction "knowing" we can set it up fast and get growth.

So we will now look at a product that is having growth in china. So when you invest in India to make up for their drop off, you will also know its got growth. So when take away 1% from china, India's investment can put out 2 or 3% growth in that product/market. We can 100% me very smart and target what we know we can set up easily in India and fast................ Something that has seen growth.

We all know "outlook" runs the world markets. When we sanction china's products, we have also shown a better "outlook" because we have already invested in India, and a bigger % will be pumped out. The outlook for china will not be good, but it will show we are investing in there drop off, and that investment has a very good "outlook" and growth.

We can punish china and not crush the world economy. Just remember a freeze on china's growth will hurt them a lot more then us......but not crush the world markets. China is still pumping out 6% away. We can also cut them back a %, why pre investing in what we are going to sanction. That we make up for any bad reaction in the "outlook" on the market, but china will be crushed from within.

Don't forget we are investing money here. When you invest money you make money.

We must punish china, the first step is by putting a freeze on there growth. Cap them at 6%....that will hurt there economy as there "outlook" can't be anymore then what it is now, so 6%.

I hope you're not American, because how long do you think these sanctions would last before China stopped lending money to the US? And how long do you think the US would survive without money from China?

Before we do that, we need to start a small west fund, that will put in $2 billion dollars each, that will get invested in India.

So you're going to borrow more from China to pay into this fund?

You seem to forget Strangerland that China still doesn't hold the majority of US debt. The US does, and our GDP is much more productive than China. We'll just have to deal with w/e inflation happens to the US dollar. A lot of other countries are getting fed up with China with maybe the exception of Africa, but I'm pretty sure they'll bail on China as they start to catch on to China's game.

That doesn't answer the question though. It doesn't matter how much of US debt is owned by the US, what matters is if the US could continue rolling along without foreign aid from China. And I think we all know the answer to that, even if many don't want to acknowledge it.

@Strangerland The answer is any pain inflicted by China would at least come back at the same level, possibly more. It isn't foreign aid, Strangerland: China doesn't do aid. It is loans. You can't sell debt without a buyer. If sold, it has little bearing on the US: we just send the check somewhere else. You can't call them in, either, that isn't how the bonds work. China's dollar reserves would plunge drastically, though, and that would hurt your house of cards economy. Sucks having to be part of a global community, doesn't it?

@Strangerland I'm Australian. So how about India starts to lend them the cash? How about we force china's dollars up to what its real inflation should be?

If they want 2 play games, bring it on. If their dollar rises/inflation "like it should of years ago" Country's like India will thrive.

@Strangerland you must understand that they're the biggest because they're the cheapest. There is a good reason why they're the cheapest, and that's because their dollar is being "illegally" kept low / inflation.

If we forced China to push up their dollar, we would create more jobs in the west.... And keep them here.

You can't sell debt without a buyer. If sold, it has little bearing on the US: we just send the check somewhere else.

The problem isn't them selling the debt, it's if they refuse to buy any more bonds. Where will America get its money from if the well dries up?

Sucks having to be part of a global community, doesn't it?

America seems to finally be coming towards the realization of this point. They aren't there yet though, still acting unilaterally on all sorts of stuff.

How about we force china's dollars up to what its real inflation should be?

their dollar

If we forced China to push up their dollar

China doesn't use the dollar. They use the RMB.

If we forced China to push up their dollar, we would create more jobs in the west.... And keep them here.

Not likely. The big corporations would just move to other cheap countries.

@Strangerland that's right and who makes the money then........ India?

India is the next best cheapest country and will be the cheapest once it happens :). You just said what I was saying. If they take their money out.............. There "nabouir " will be becoming the next super power 100%. There never will?? "The big corporations would just move to another cheaper country".... IN India. India can buy bonds and put in money into their GDP, making up for china.

China can kiss their $ system good bye now. India will be LOL hard.

You're 100% wrong. Lots of company's go to china because they're so much cheaper, they won't be if we do that. You're funny.............. There would be 0 business in America if that was the case. will 100% see company's staying in America "if not" India can have a bigger GDP and that means more money for????

What happens to interest rates when your dollar goes up? How are china's banks going? Just the other week it showed how "bad"they are.

@Strangerland The US doesn't have a problem with the global community: we've been doing business with them for centuries. China, on the other hand, thinks the party can control everything, including using economics for politics.

Strangerland, you seem to ignore the fact that if indeed there were meaningful sanctions on China their economy would suffer greatly and they would not have any money to loan the US or anybody else. You also ignore the fact that the world got along very well without the Chinese economy until 40 years ago; in fact every developed country was better off until most of their manufacturing jobs moved to China.

Strangerland, you seem to ignore the fact that if indeed there were meaningful sanctions on China their economy would suffer greatly and they would not have any money to loan the US or anybody else

That would put the US in a pretty bad position, wouldn't it.

You also ignore the fact that the world got along very well without the Chinese economy until 40 years ago;

The world got along without the internet or personal computers 40 years ago as well. 40 years ago was 40 years ago, now is now. The world has changed.

in fact every developed country was better off until most of their manufacturing jobs moved to China.

What does that have to do with anything I've said?

@Strangerland you seem to need to learn a lot more about how global economics work. Scipanthiest pretty much said it in clearer words than me.

@Strangerland you seem to need to learn a lot more about how global economics work. Scipanthiest pretty much said it in clearer words than me.

I understand global economics just fine. If you have something specific that you think is incorrect about what I've said, feel free to point it out, and we can discuss it. Just saying 'you need to learn more' says to me that you don't know enough to be able to debate the point you think you are making.

@Strangerland Just reply to how my Idea way work? We don't need 10 ways, just 1.

We can hurt them and counter their GDP pullout. They pull it out we all take action and force there inflation to to be corrected, pushing up the cost of wages and products being made in China. It will also crush their banking system that just bailed out the banks well over $100 billion.

We put the 6% cap first, then cut them back by 2+% unto. 3rd we let them know what we will do to their inflation, making their products cost much more money :)

Like you said, biz will ship out of china. I say 100% 2 India.

Free free to reply 2 me????

So the Chinese government warns about the chaos that the Chinese government is going to create. The irony seems lost on the CCP bosses.