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Chinese, Taiwanese warships eye each other as drills due to end

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A country which behaves so much like an angry teenage girl who doesn't get her way and gets criticized by everyone is far from fit to consider itself a superpower. Taiwan is more mature than China.

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The USA are totally disgusting nothing but war mongers stirring the pot .

xi’s little soldiers cross international boundaries and threaten Taiwan, yet US is the warmonger!!!

That’s CCP logic from its brainwashed idiots for you.

13 ( +15 / -2 )

Time is not on America's side. That's why they want to use Taiwan as collateral damage as soon as possible.

Time is not on baby xi’s side, he wants to be remembered as another Mao.

All he’ll be remembered for is the ending of CCPs rule!

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A country which behaves so much like an angry teenage girl who doesn't get her way and gets criticized by everyone is far from fit to consider itself a superpower. Taiwan is more mature than China.

Baby Ping Ping wants that third term of office at the upcoming party congress so bad. He thinks he looks tough and threatening but instead comes across like an infant screaming with diaper rash. Someone needs to stuff a binky in his pie hole and change his diaper. The Chinese are starting to sound like the North Koreans.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

So the CCP's hissy fit cost it untold millions in planes flying in open skies, ships plying open waters, and missiles fired into empty ocean...for what? Just an expensive five day theatrical production for the domestic audience...

Xi and his minions are forgetting the lessons of their ancestor Sun Tzu....don't force your enemy to do what you don't want them to do....

China could have conducted a vigorous, but private, diplomatic effort to convince the US to call off the visit...but nope, they went full blast with public threats and ultimatums....

Did they think the US was going to back down when it would so brazenly look like it was kowtowing?

The CCPs decision to make open threats guaranteed Pelosi's visit...just what they didn't want...or maybe they did?

Did the CCP really want the visit so it old once again ramp up nationalism in the face of a declining economy, increasing large real-estate company bankruptcies, and growing rage at COVID lockdowns?

With the CCP, you never know for sure...

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Why should any country need to obey the CCP's wishes? If the US doesn't defy them, others will also be scared to. It's what the CCP is dreaming of.

So many hicks on here getting rallied up , it’s clear what pelosi was doing as a representative of the USA . The whole world sees the USA for what they really are , definitely not peace driven. Just like the USA driven NATO expansion now they want to start something here and drag everyone into it.

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Alex, sadly you have a somewhat distorted view of reality. The peaceful visit of a single old lady is hardly reason enough for the irrational and violent reaction of the CCP. It is China that is threatening its neighbours, making hostile and aggressive moves with its military, seeking to cause economic damage and firing off missiles, no one else.

USA driven NATO! They would wish! Managing NATO is more like herding cats, there are 30 very independent countries involved so alas your perception of this defensive organisation is way off the mark.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

If china claims Taiwan is part of china, why is china sanctioning itself?

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Look to China’s internal situation, its economy suffering and built on a false premise of continuous construction which is now going bankrupt. The West finally recognising the folly of relying on an aggressive dictatorship for our manufacturing and the steady withdrawal to other sources of supply and re-shoring that will cut off the money supply they have used to bribe the population and build the aggressively large military, A failed pandemic policy (ironic as it originated there and they are responsible for its spread) that has undermined the economy further as well as creating discontent on a massive scale in the population while still failing to achieve its objective More and more repressive controls and centralised planning starting to impact the daily lives and ability to earn a living of a now educated and aspirational population.

What is the standard response of a dictatorship in trouble, control the information space. create an “enemy” you can blame for everything and start a war to unite and distract the peons!

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Taiwan needs to be recognized as a free, independent nation; some people were against Pelosi’s visit; I say thank you, Nancy. Sooner or later, this dirty, old giant aka China needs to “wake up”. … and we’re waiting.

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Time is not on America's side. That's why they want to use Taiwan as collateral damage as soon as possible.

I think you have that backwards. Time is very much on the US and Taiwanese side. The CCP will not last forever. It faces increasing problems from a declining and aging population that will cause economic stagnation and within ten years the loss of the glaciers that feed major rivers in China. Combine that with rising seas that will displace many tens of millions from major coastal cities and the economic losses as those cities lose ports and productive capabilities to rising seas. Imagine Shanghai Pudong Airport and Shanghai Aircraft which is on the same site as the airport and only meters from the ocean, all flooded by rising seas. If the US and her allies maintain sufficient deterrent force the most likely outcome is the government of Taiwan outlasting the CCP. There is no guarantee the upcoming party congress in October will not result in some sort of internal coup as there are three factions of the CCP including important elements of the PLA that hate Xi Jinping and want him gone. Xi won't go without a fight and we may witness violence. When Xi came to power in 2012 there was a faction of the PLA that tried to prevent his rise and there was violence then not widely reported. Time is not on the CCPs side.

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Chinese citizens have free speech.

In theory perhaps but in practice this is not the case. Article 53 of the 1982 Constitution states that citizens must abide by the law and observe labor discipline and public order. Besides being illegal, practising the "Big Four rights,  to speak out freely, air views fully, hold great debates, and write big-character posters that were rescinded in 1980 after the Freedom Wall protests, offered the possibility of straying into criticism of the Chinese Communist Party, which was in fact what appeared in student wall posters. In a new era that strove for political stability and economic development, party leaders considered the four big rights politically destabilizing. Chinese citizens are prohibited from forming new political parties. The reality is today anyone who expresses views contrary to the official party line or who is critical of party leadership is arrested and usually charged with "Picking Quarrels and Provoking Trouble" which can be punished by up to five years in prison.

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deanzaZZR

Today 04:50 pm JST 

Where's Henry Kissinger when you need him? Republicans seem to be the ones that get along better with the Chinese and Russians

Even if all republicans did, these nixonian republicans were the same ones that believed in a much higher tax rate, a strong IRS, a better social safety net, much more pro-choice (it was optional and not set by the party), and believed in stronger gun regulations, not the Reaganites and definitely not the Trumplicans (Remember pres trump whining about china constantly?)

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XI and his three little pigs story I will huff and I will puff and I will blow your house down. This is what logic was used when Pelosi visited saying if she dare to go to Taiwan they will take military action or perhaps shoot her plane down. Shooting a plane down marked the United States of America would have been attacking america and that would have meant the end of the CCP. Xi and his little pigs Huffed and they Puffed and Pelosi's plane did land in Taiwan and China put on a brilliant fire works show to celebrate her landing!!!

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This happened because of pelosis visit.

This happened because China like always over reacts to things beyond its control.

The US knows there's a red line that China doesn't allow to be crossed without serious repercussions and they crossed it deliberately.

China does not dictate to anyone. Trying to just leaves them with egg on their face as it has this time. China does not control Taiwan (it wants to). So China has zero say in what happens in Taiwan. That is the unpleasant fact China must face. China again showing the world their ugly domineering side where they react when others do not do as China tells them. China only gets to tel those inside China what to do. Not America, Not Japan and not Taiwan.

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 Chinese PLA Navy is in the South China Seas exactly to defend against this, blockades.

The PLAN and Chinese Coast Guard are in the SCS to control all of the resources there and deny access to those resources by the states that actually have coastlines on the SCS. China is greedy and wants prevent any other nation from fishing or mining the SCS and is willing to use force against smaller and weaker nations to take whatever it is that they want. To tell, as they have, an Indian Navy ship a mere 45 nautical miles outside Cam Ranh Bay that they are in "Chinese territorial waters" is absurd. Look at a map and you can see just how ridiculous their claims are. China wants all the resources to themselves. They are like a plague of locusts.

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AlexToday 04:57 pm JST

The USA are totally disgusting nothing but war mongers stirring the pot

It is actually China that is disgustingly stirring the pot like the warmongers they are. Always resorting to showing off military strength and attempts to put fear into the hearts of others. Trying to provoke a accidental reply so they can then go ahead saying Taiwan fired first.

Sending missiles over Taiwan like the irresponsible provokers they are. The US sends its speaker to visit and China acts like the sky is falling, endangering millions of lives.

Accusing the US of anything other than having an old lady visit Taiwan is silly. The actions of China are criminal.

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Reading the various comments here, (always better than the actual article) you’d think that a bit of rational and forward thinking would be enough for everyone to just put this to bed once and for all and move on. But tomorrow will just be another day with the same gripes with the same commentators and exactly the same carry on. Eat, sleep, repeat. Never the twain shall meet.

Wonder what it’s gunna actually take for this to all calm down. Who wants to start a dialog on clubhouse or something? How cool would it be to get a few of these regular voices up on stage for a bit of well meaning banter and problem / conflict resolution. Start with the obvious starting question,

Put your hand up if you are seeking a resolution?

Still a big believer in people and reckon if we got all of yaz at a round table with an open mind and a playful spirit we could solve it all in a few hours! Yep, naive and proud! Totally doable too ya mugs!

3 ( +3 / -0 )

We need a return to "Panda Diplomacy "

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Very useful for Taiwan and the US, these 'drills'. Gives them some idea of Chinese tactics.

China is a mess. Xi's Covid Zero and communist purity policies are laying waste to the economy and to belief in the CCP. They might start a conflict with Taiwan to deflect attention and stir up patriotic unity. Or Xi might have an accident and be replaced. Or they might just carry on as before, after their hissy fit.

We currently have an inflationary spiral and the global economy is fracturing. US/China conflict would cut enough supply chains for the global economy to start to collapse. Inflation would skyrocket. Taiwan would end up like Ukraine - rubble. Any industry dependent on tech would be over. No more JP car exports and no 'pivot to tech' (or EVs) as there wouldn't be enough of it. No transition to green tech either. Back to ICE vehicles, paper and pencils etc.

Perhaps time to stock up on replacement tech (IT and household appliances) as we wait to see how much more damage our glorious leaders will do to our lives.

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If we waved a magic wand and deleted all Chinese exports to the US - industry supplies and the Walmart Amazon cheap consumer products the JT commentators are contemplating not buying - it would only mean a reduction of some 3% of China’s GDP. This is US’s contribution to China’s GDP.

If we waved it again and deleted all Chinese exports to every single country in the world, it would only be 20% of the GDP or about 2.4 trillion dollars.

It’s a false premise and conclusion to state that if the world stopped buying Chinese products, China’s economy would collapse. It means their gdp would be smaller by 20% but it still would be the world’s no. 2 economy well ahead of Japan by 5 trillion dollars. And that’s a big IF, if you can get the whole world to boycott Chinese exports.

China manufactures and sells to itself. They are the largest market in the world. To stop the manufacturing requires cutting off energy like coal and oil, or impairing their ability to manufacture.

I get that it is a token gesture to not buy Chinese products but it would take a blockade and cutting off oil to make a difference to cripple its economy. This is also unrealistic because:

a) a blockade equals war

b) Chinese PLA Navy is in the South China Seas exactly to defend against this, blockades.

c) Russia and Iran will not cooperate not to mention the Saudi’s.

Rather than invading Taiwan, China surrounds Taiwan and impairs the TSMC’s ability to produce and export semiconductor chips. China has already blocked its fine sand export to Taiwan, the sand needed in the production of semiconductor chips of which 90% comes from China.

To fight China by impairing its manufacturing and thereby its economy, the West should stop the export of coal and oil and food to China. Who would that be? Australia has the potential to do this. If Australians really cared about the bullying of Taiwan, it might consider sacrificing coal, iron ore, coal briquettes, cereals, and so on to China. Slowly cut off the supplies. Explain to the domestic producers that though they are losing billions of dollars, they are on the front line in fighting China.

Very useful for Taiwan and the US, these 'drills'. Gives them some idea of Chinese tactics.

What I take from the last few days is that China is not going to invade the island. It is practicing something equivalent to medieval castle sieges, without scaling the walls and ramming the door. They will try and control what goes in and out of Taiwan and reduce Taiwanese presence.

The status quo has been changed. It’s now 12 nautical miles from the shores of the island. Don’t buy Chinese products should be don’t export energy to China.

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This happened because of pelosis visit.

This happened because China is an authoritarian regime who think they own another people, like possessions or slaves. China has an unreasonable stance towards Taiwan. We should not start war, but we should go on treating Taiwan as a country and if China wants to start war, then the world should war with China.

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Put your hand up if you are seeking a resolution?

War, if we have to.

This one is on China. They do not own Taiwan.

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The official US position (which is identical to the positions of almost every government in the world including Japan) is that 'Taiwan' is actually the Chinese province of Taipei, and that the only legitimate Chinese government is the one in Beijing.

While the unofficial position of all those governments is that the status quo can only be altered by Taiwan choosing to join China. China can not militarily invade Taiwan to alter the status quo.

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Desert TortoiseAug. 7  03:07 pm JST

A country which behaves so much like an angry teenage girl who doesn't get her way and gets criticized by everyone is far from fit to consider itself a superpower. Taiwan is more mature than China.

Baby Ping Ping wants that third term of office at the upcoming party congress so bad. He thinks he looks tough and threatening but instead comes across like an infant screaming with diaper rash. Someone needs to stuff a binky in his pie hole and change his diaper. The Chinese are starting to sound like the North Koreans.

Yeah yeah, Xi. We get it. 'We bad, we bad. Uh-huh, uh-huh'. Now pick up your toys and go home. Don't you (like the rest of us) have a pandemic to face and fight? Taiwan does not belong to you so be a man and suck it up!

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In theory perhaps but in practice this is not the case. 

You have it backwards. In theory no but in practice they are practicing free speech in forums everywhere online.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Time is not on Xi's side - he'd die while Taiwan remains in control of their own affairs

(One of his top goals in order to be recognized as China's best ever communist leader is to conquer Taiwan)

Just as time is not in Putin's side - he'd die while Ukraine remains a separate state (he's never recognized Ukraine as separate from Russia)

0 ( +0 / -0 )

This happened because of pelosis visit.

The US knows there's a red line that China doesn't allow to be crossed without serious repercussions and they crossed it deliberately.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

The official US position (which is identical to the positions of almost every government in the world including Japan) is that 'Taiwan' is actually the Chinese province of Taipei, and that the only legitimate Chinese government is the one in Beijing.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Chinese citizens have free speech. New York Times posted, “Many Chinese social media users mocked the government for not taking military action to stop Nancy Pelosi’s Trip to China, saying it hadn’t lived up to its tough rhetoric.”

Actually I read some the forums. There are critical posts along the same lines as all bark and no bite, paper Tiger and so on. Same as some of the commentators here JT.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

So, I find it utterly interesting that the same people who jeered America's presence in East Asia are now jeering China. Go figure.

In the same breath, there are those who jeered, and still do, America's presence yet they are uncharacteristicly quiet lest the realize that they were wrong all along only to realize now that china all along has been the real threat.

How times have changed when the US leadership isn't up to snuff.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Soon they will be the same Navy..

China's Navy..

The biggest in the world..

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

Where's Henry Kissinger when you need him? Republicans seem to be the ones that get along better with the Chinese and Russians.

-14 ( +1 / -15 )

The USA are totally disgusting nothing but war mongers stirring the pot .

-16 ( +3 / -19 )

Time is not on America's side. That's why they want to use Taiwan as collateral damage as soon as possible.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

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