Chinese students beaten, robbed in Sydney

Cletus: So after over a hundred years of multicultarlism in Australia you pick on a couple of isolated incidents and claim we are a racist nation, goto love that. Well your entitled to your opinion on Australia and lm entitled to mine on Australia and you and l know which l have a higher opinion of.

Hmmm....if only we had another situation that we could compare this to....something where the reporting overwhelmingly focuses on the negative and ignores all of the positives....something where you chime in and say that you just keep reading these stories over and over again.....something where isolated incidents are more than adequate to define the situation as a whole.

Hmmm.....can't think of anything, tho.

Mate get real. The link you posted is written in Japanese. Dont use websites written in foreign languages on English websites as evidence.

DentShop. The statistics came straight from the "RECORDED CRIME-VICTIMS (2010)" compiled by Aiustralian Bureau of Statistics. The figures were merely translated in Japanese by the Foreign Ministry for the benefit of Japanese.

This Japanese travel warning report is irresponsible to determine whether or not Australia has become more violent, when there is considerable research and statistics that is able to illustrate whether or not it is in fact the case

sfjp330 Never stated that Australia "has become more violent." I merely stated that Australia, based on their own statistics, has high frequency of violent crime. Hence, my point is that this story without the racial "angle" is not surprising and for the most part would probably not have been reported if it weren't for the aforementioned "angle" that the media decided to spin on it.

And it seems Australia has some problems based on what I've been seeing here. I don't see articles talking about races getting along in Australia, just negative things, so naturally I'm going to assume that only negative things happen.

That seems a strange comment. Surely you appreciate that the only things reported by news outlets are events 'out of the usual'? Not too many news sites would report on the millions of people who went to work today, went home safely, ate dinner and went to bed. I don't tend to notice reports about how many nuclear reactors ran today without incident, or airplanes that successfully landed at their destinations, or pleasant weather in parts of Europe. Only things that are extraordinary tend to get reported. The fact that something is reported here makes me think that the opposite event/situation is the far more common event...

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SuperLib

You are free to mention attacks in Chicago when they happen and when they are reported. But on this thread they are off topic and a desperate attempt by a man to run from the headline. You obviously feel threatened when your country is put under the microscope. I guess you don't like what you see so the first thing you do it point to anything else.

By all means put my nation under the microscope, but do so with some facts behind your ridiculous statements. See you lost you credability when you came out with this one "Just the other day there was an article about cops killing natives, too" So what news source did you pluck this one from as it actually never even happened.

I can't say I know all of the fact of the situation. How could I? I just know what JT puts in front of me.

Ah so you admit then that JT is your only source for this news. Maybe you should broaden your reading and you would learn much more. Afterall JT is not actually reporting the full story. They make no mention of the other victims of these people. The other 4 people attacked on the train with the Chinese, actually its amusing that no Asian news site makes mention of these other 4 non Asian people now why is that l wonder. It is there in the Australian media, its there in other reports, even Kevin Rudd who they quote in this article makes mention of them. Interesting hey.

And it seems Australia has some problems based on what I've been seeing here.

Yes it would when the full story is not reported now wouldnt it. Sounds so much more juicy, 2 Chinese attacked in race incident rather than 6 people attacked and robbed on train, police arrest attackers. I know what sell more dont you?

I don't see articles talking about races getting along in Australia, just negative things, so naturally I'm going to assume that only negative things happen. Surely you don't have a problem with someone operating like that...do you?

So after over a hundred years of multicultarlism in Australia you pick on a couple of isolated incidents and claim we are a racist nation, goto love that. Well your entitled to your opinion on Australia and lm entitled to mine on Australia and you and l know which l have a higher opinion of.

Cletus: But as l said when this first came out, there is more to this story than was initially reported and l was correct. The 2 Chinese claimed they where singled out and the only ones attacked in a race crime. Well that's false, 4 other non Chinese were also attacked and robbed by the same group on the same train. Still a race crime? Nope never was as l said from the outset, it was merely idiots causing trouble and robbing people. But that doesn't have the same ring now does it. Unlike yourvchinese bashings in Chicago that were targeted attacks but we can't mention that can we.

You are free to mention attacks in Chicago when they happen and when they are reported. But on this thread they are off topic and a desperate attempt by a man to run from the headline. You obviously feel threatened when your country is put under the microscope. I guess you don't like what you see so the first thing you do it point to anything else.

I can't say I know all of the fact of the situation. How could I? I just know what JT puts in front of me. And it seems Australia has some problems based on what I've been seeing here. I don't see articles talking about races getting along in Australia, just negative things, so naturally I'm going to assume that only negative things happen. Surely you don't have a problem with someone operating like that...do you?

I suggest you view the link I provided above.

Mate get real. The link you posted is written in Japanese. Dont use websites written in foreign languages on English websites as evidence.

nigelboyApr. 26, 2012 - 06:07AM JST. I beg to differ. I suggest you view the link I provided above.

This Japanese travel warning report is irresponsible to determine whether or not Australia has become more violent, when there is considerable research and statistics that is able to illustrate whether or not it is in fact the case. Sure, there is a margin of error in the best research, and there will always be a considerable amount of unreported crime. But there is definitely a difference between 'perceptions of violence' and 'actual violence'. What does this kind of report actually achieve other than potentially ignite a panic about rising levels of crime? Why can't the report occasionally back up with considered evaluation of available research to back up the claim.

This is incorrect. Australia is not better or worse in violent crimes compared to other nations

I beg to differ. I suggest you view the link I provided above.

. If this was a purely racial attack, it would not be this way.

Never said it was. Read my comments carefully. Cletus is correct in that this got the coverage in the media because of the "racial" angle for any other frequent violence that occurs in Australia will be lucky if it gets any coverage whatsoever unlike other developed nations with low crime rates.

nigelboyApr. 26, 2012 - 02:43AM JST. Can you blame the Australian media, Cletus? With the frequency of violent crimes in Australia, they got to find some "angle" to it or else they'd be reporting the same' ol crap every minute.

This is incorrect. Australia is not better or worse in violent crimes compared to other nations. In Sydney, there are over 4 million people living there and about 8 percent identified themselves as Chinese. The violent crime in Sydney has about 90 violent crimes per 100,000 people. This means the Chinese population can expect less than 300 violent crimes against Chinese on average every year. My view is that the true rate is actually much lower than the expected average, and this is why this attack generated so much media publicity, in addition to the rarity of a train attack. The people are easily whipped into hysteria.

Probably the primary motive was robbery with intimidation and rage. The use of glass in the attack suggests they were openly drinking on the train. They used cigarettes to burn one guy. Thiey were probably intoxicated, drinking and smoking on a train. They did not care for rules. They are clearly young and anti-social and dumb. Doing this on a train guarantees you will be caught because they are all monitored. It is clear enough that robbery was the objective and violence/intimidation was the tool to get that money. If this was a purely racial attack, it would not be this way.

Absolute nonsense.

Come again DentShope? Did you not actually comprehend the stats that I linked to?

Ah so despite initial claims that this was a race attack it turns out that other passengers, non Chinese we're also robbed by this group during the same spree. I guess it just doesn't sound as good to say youths attack and rob train passengers. I wonder if the non Chinese victims get the same coverage! Doubt it not sensational enough

Can you blame the Australian media, Cletus? With the frequenquency of violent crimes in Australia, they got to find some "angle" to it or else they'd be reporting the same' ol crap every minute.

Naturally I'm going to ask why Australians think it's OK to do this.

You are free to ask but Australians will tell you that it is NOT ok to do this. There is your answer and we are glad you asked. Now go about your business.

There were many passengers and staff on the train, he added, but nobody intervened to help and another woman targeted by the gang even encouraged them to rob Xuan and his friend saying “they are Asian and they have got money.”

Some people claimed Australia is not a racist state? Now who explain this...? Obviously that country is having some kind of anti Chinese sentinebt, they see people from China or Chinese ethnics were hostile to them and their country!

SuperLib,

You made claims about Australia being racist, you wrongly claimed police killed natives ( as you refer to them). You make statements like " do Australians think they can go around attacking anyone" and make other remarks, and when it's mentioned to you to look in your own yard first you get defensive.

But as l said when this first came out, there is more to this story than was initially reported and l was correct. The 2 Chinese claimed they where singled out and the only ones attacked in a race crime. Well that's false, 4 other non Chinese were also attacked and robbed by the same group on the same train. Still a race crime? Nope never was as l said from the outset, it was merely idiots causing trouble and robbing people. But that doesn't have the same ring now does it. Unlike yourvchinese bashings in Chicago that were targeted attacks but we can't mention that can we.

It was fully covered in the major newspapers. What more do you want.

At the time I wrote my comment, it had not been. Yes, since then the story has gathered some pace. I was surprised it wasnt front page of every newspaper and headline story of every news report as soon the police had left the scene.

Cletus: Yes l am after your statement "Do Australians think they can just go around and attack anyone they want?". You make out this only occurs in Australia but dont like it when someone says look in your own backyard buddy

The crime happened in Australia. Naturally I'm going to ask why Australians think it's OK to do this. I'm not going to wait until a hate crime happens in another country to bring up racist Aussies to compare as the only way I'll talk about Aussies. Seems like you are heading towards a ban on this kind of information. Anyone who fights against the truth of the situation is obviously just looking to bury it at all costs.

CletusAPR. 25, 2012 - 10:43PM JST Ah so despite initial claims that this was a race attack it turns out that other passengers, non Chinese we're also robbed by this group during the same spree.

And we don't know what happened to the other FOUR non-Chinese who were robbed before this gang attacked the 2 chinese students. As you said, there is no media hysteria about them. And there are more of them than these two chinese!

DentShopAPR. 24, 2012 - 08:38PM JST It's a very odd story. Australia's press is nuts about any sort of racial story but it has barely been touched.

It was fully covered in the major newspapers. What more do you want.

SuperLibAPR. 24, 2012 - 09:11PM JST Why would Australians do this? Just the other day there was an article about cops killing natives, too. Why is there so much racism there?

That incident involved a car full of teenagers who sped away from police in a stolen car and nearly killed two women on the street - one bounced off the bonnet and the other was dragged for ten metres, seriously injuring her. The police did the right thing. Only the week before, there was a strip club shooting on the same street.

Ah so despite initial claims that this was a race attack it turns out that other passengers, non Chinese we're also robbed by this group during the same spree. I guess it just doesn't sound as good to say youths attack and rob train passengers. I wonder if the non Chinese victims get the same coverage! Doubt it not sensational enough

SuperLib

And now you're trying to bring up other countries?

Yes l am after your statement "Do Australians think they can just go around and attack anyone they want?". You make out this only occurs in Australia but dont like it when someone says look in your own backyard buddy

Jeeze....try anything, I suppose. Why not just ban newspapers from reporting on race beatings.

Try again it was a crime a robbery

Cletus: Reminds me of the supposed Indian bashing in Melbourne a couple of years back where a Indian student claimed he was bashed and burnt. Turned out he was trying to set his car on fire to collect insurance and hurt himself so to cover it he made up a story to make it sound worse than it was.

Ah, so when another story about race beatings comes up your mind automatically goes to the one that was not legitimate? It's no wonder minorities in your country feel so angry with attitudes like that.

And now you're trying to bring up other countries? Jeeze....try anything, I suppose. Why not just ban newspapers from reporting on race beatings.

I hope this is not a true racist attack but if it is I do hope the Aussie police get the stupid bastards that are responsible for this.

SuperLib

Attacking Chinese? Do Australians think they can just go around and attack anyone they want?

Oh and SuperLib before you pull out the racism card and wave it in our direction maybe you should try looking at bashings and robberies of Chinese students in the US. There are some good news reports from Chicago of these types of attacks. You know the old saying buddy, people in glass houses.

Oh and for comparison you could also google attacks on foreigners in China. As l said but you chose to ignore in your rush to scream racism. These happen everywhere even in your country

SuperLib

Cletus, I don't know what to tell you other than the articles I read coming out of Australia. The article before mentioned the racial tension tht exits in the country, and now we have this story literally following it up.

Oh ok and the media wouldnt be whipping it up to sell their story now would they. The previous story (and l am assuming you are referring to the criminals shot by the police) was sold by the media as police shooting indigenous kids when in fact it was police shooting criminals who where endangering the public and they happened to be indigenous. Despite the media hype its nothing to do with race, to be honest l couldnt care what race they were in that instant they got what they had coming. Sadly though the indigenous community feel they deserve special treatment in matters like this.

Attacking Chinese? Do Australians think they can just go around and attack anyone they want?

Well lets see they attacked people and robbed them, its called crime and it happens whether you are Chinese, Indian, Japanese, or Australian. Irrespective of race it happens. And l will say it now, parts of this story sound to far fetched. Yes they where beaten and robbed (and this could happen to anyone any day on a train in Oz) but some of the other stuff mmm doubtful. Reminds me of the supposed Indian bashing in Melbourne a couple of years back where a Indian student claimed he was bashed and burnt. Turned out he was trying to set his car on fire to collect insurance and hurt himself so to cover it he made up a story to make it sound worse than it was.

Finally is it bad that these two got beaten up and robbed? Yes it is but no worse than any other person in Australia being beaten and robbed. But as soon as it happens to an Asian its racism no that is a joke.

Cletus, I don't know what to tell you other than the articles I read coming out of Australia. The article before mentioned the racial tension tht exits in the country, and now we have this story literally following it up. Attacking Chinese? Do Australians think they can just go around and attack anyone they want?

Australia has a very high violent crime rate

Absolute nonsense.

And by the way, the link you posted is general living advice rather than a travel warning.

Whether it's racially motivated or not, Australia has a very high violent crime rate so this shouldn't be too surprising. No wonder the Japanese government issues travel advisories.

http://www.anzen.mofa.go.jp/manual/australia.html

SuperLib

Why would Australians do this? Just the other day there was an article about cops killing natives, too. Why is there so much racism there?

Can you please point out where the cops killed the natives, by the way we call them Aboriginals or indigenous Australians not natives. Calling them natives is a sure fire way to be called a racist yourself. The cops shot the kids because they stole a car and ran down pedestrians not because of the color of their skin. And they didnt kill anyone. Dont know where you get that story from.

As for so much racism, where is all this supposed racism? Maybe you should be looking in your own backyard before worrying about ours. You say we have to much racism yet just type in "Chinese students attacked in US (or any other nation) and see how many hits you get. But we are racist YEAH OK.....

Australia has many racists, but is not a racist country. This is an unfortunate incident, but I don't think it represents Australian values.

European dignity is a complete joke. I hope everyone here realizes Australia is a continent by itself, don't come on here mocking Europeans while preaching that being racy is wrong...every country has its idiots, unfortunately some take it too far

just-a-bigguy, your comment "Of course this is not coincidence but a politically manipulated social mania of hostilities and resentment or hatred of people who are ethically Asians especially Chinese when the US-Australian alliance is getting closer and closer!"...

...is a load of paranoid rubbish, and you must know it.

(Of course there are racists in every country around the world, but they are generally in the minority, thank goodness.)

"Australia has gained an unwelcome reputation for violence against international students in recent years..............." Of course this is not coincidence but a politically manupilated social mania of hostilities and resentment or hatred of people who were ethically asians especially Chinese when the US,Australian alliance is getting closer and closer!

it's not representative group of people, for Austrians

Those darn Europeans!

If it happened as they claim it would be outrageous, but there are many elements to the story that simply sound concocted. I hope the cops get to the bottom of what actually happened.

Have a hard time believing that the "Staff" stood around and did nothing, sure it's possible. They have plenty of camera's on the Australian trains and in stations too, (Japan isn't the only country with camera's).

While pathetic that by-standers, stood around and did nothing, it's not representative group of people, for Austrians. Yes, at 12:45AM you get a bunch of drunks and losers riding the trains, so it's much easier to believe people did stand around and watch, how-ever pathetic their actions.

I have a friend who was attacked by a gang of Youths here in Tokyo, his Japanese colleagues, stood around and did nothing, while 7 teenage and 20-something youths jumped a drunk European white guy, and I don't remember that making the JT Headlines. Shxt Happens.. And as Unfortunate as the reality may be, You really have to fend for yourself, when in a foreign land, Persevere, Adapt, Overcome... Or don't stray off the beating path, don't allow yourself to become a victim. Incidentally, 2 Chinese exchange students were shot to death in LA, just over a week ago, they were only 22 or 23 yrs old. Shot in the head over an apparent car-jacking. I've lived in LA, and I never would have went anywhere near where these two kids were living... Dangerous is a relative term, dangerous in Japan, ISN'T Dangerous in LA or Australia.

Just the other day there was an article about cops killing natives

No natives were killed. Nor was the incident racially motivated.

Why would Australians do this? Just the other day there was an article about cops killing natives, too. Why is there so much racism there?

The incident happened around 12:30 am Monday , and 5 kids (three boys age of 19, 18,14 and 2 girls of 16, 17) were already arrested by police at 12:45 am at Rockdale station and they have been charged with a number offences related to robbery and assault. So somebody did call Police!

Sounds very sus! Something dodgy here

Sad that a basically nice country has that scummy red neck element. My heart goes out to the victims.

It's a very odd story. Australia's press is nuts about any sort of racial story but it has barely been touched. The police have been very careful to use the word "alleged" regarding all of this which makes me more suspicious. And one more thing, the alleged victim said "there were staff on the train" but those staff didnt instantly call the police?? Mmmm - lets see how this one turns out.

... this just strikes me as odd. If they went to an emergency room for treatment the police would have been called, but on his blog he acts like he still has to go to the police... so what this guy is asking us to believe is that after a serious assault he went home and, instead of getting medical treatment, his first reaction was to blog about his experience.

... wtf??

Australia’s Mandarin-speaking ex-leader Kevin Rudd on Tuesday weighed into the case of two Chinese students who were burned and beaten in Sydney,

Like Rudd's Mandarin ability is going to make a diff here. What silly reporting.

Get good lawyers and sue the government...it is how it works in Australia.