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Yet, they want respect from other countries.

Actions like that will just prove that China is not worth of this respect from other nations.

23 ( +28 / -5 )

China is afraid that Taiwan gets enough support from the US and other allies.

I personally think that this pandemic thing that China caused to the world helped other nations to see how evil is China and how Taiwan deserves to be respected and considered by other nations.

The fact of Taiwan being welcome to TPP's bid by Japan and US let a clear message that the world eventually will give support to Taiwan;

13 ( +18 / -5 )

What will the world community do should China attack Taiwan? As with Tibet, the Tiananmen Square massacre, the Uighur people, Hong Kong, etc., will the world just sit on its hands again or will this be the breaking point where enough is enough?

11 ( +15 / -4 )

No surprise, and they wont stop. And with the current pro Beijing regime in the US, they have no reason to. Expect constant and increasnig provocations from now on, leading to obstruction of sea access (Taiwan is within the 9-dot line, remember).

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

No surprise, and they wont stop. And with the current pro Beijing regime in the US, they have no reason to. Expect constant and increasnig provocations from now on, leading to obstruction of sea access (Taiwan is within the 9-dot line, remember).

I see.

So what should the ‘current pro Beijing regime in the US’ do?

Be specific.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

And with the current pro Beijing regime in the US, they have no reason to.

Purely political comments like this with no basis in reality are really getting old!

10 ( +16 / -6 )

China, again beating the drums of war.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

What's the problem? American, British, French, Japanese planes fly near other countries all the time.

-11 ( +10 / -21 )

What's the problem? American, British, French, Japanese planes fly near other countries all the time.

With one or two aircraft, bit with twenty or thirty.

This site is very anti China. Shameful really. People can't seem to separate people from government either.

Not true. People are rightfully anti CCP and recognise the plight of the average chinese citizen is the fault of the CCP. An evil cadre of old men out of touch with morality and decent behavior.

11 ( +16 / -5 )

What's the problem? American, British, French, Japanese planes fly near other countries all the time.

With one or two aircraft, but not with twenty or thirty.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Asking for trouble.

Shows of bravado as you go closer and closer to the wasps’ nest.

One of these days someone will make a mistake, and it will be China’s fault either way.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

PS Even if Taiwan shoots down one of these aircraft, it will be the fault of the PLAAF Air Force, and the CCP who provocatively sent them into danger like that.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Well, quit whining and kit out an old trawler with a Bofors 40mm AA gun. It would be such a pity if a Chinese squadron returned short one aircraft.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Only about 14 countries actually recognize Taiwan as a country, Japan isn't one of them. No major power really is. Heck, Taiwan itself is pretty divided on the subject. There many Taiwanese who support integration.

So honestly, like Mr. Kipling said, this is "China flies warplanes around China" as far as those countries are concerned. Admittedly, not exactly a compelling headline.

Still, I am not exactly sure what show of support people expect from countries that don't even explicitly recognize Taiwan.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Like clockwork. The CCP is facing domestic troubles as it can't keep the lights on, and this is because its obtuseness drove Australia from what could have been a promising partnership back into the Western camp, and with them went China's coal. Whenever China faces domestic problems, it lashes out at Taiwan as a diversion. Expect this to continue - China's fuel problems are only just beginning as winter approaches.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

Peter14...

When did the views of random people start to take precedent over their government? I must have missed that.

Maybe it was the same time Taiwan declared independence? Or maybe neither happened?

Taiwan is in a legal limbo... Two sides to the story.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Wow 30+ planes! That’s excessive

Reminds me of jet fighters doing elephant walks

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Many, if not most countries would be happy to recognize Taiwan’s status.

The Chinese government made it clear though that there would be economic repercussions so many countries got cold feet and backed down under such overt threats.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

The only things preventing Taiwan being recognised internationally as the independent country it clearly is is Chinese bullying and the pusillanimous behaviour of western politicians.

A concerted and simultaneous recognition by all the major western countries would leave China without a leg to stand on as well as demonstrating beyond refutation to the CCP that Pooh’s policy of aggression and threat is working strongly to China’s and the CCP’S disbenefit. Exit Pooh.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Incidentally, if North Korea and South Korea can de recognised as separate countries why not Taiwan?

5 ( +8 / -3 )

When did the views of random people start to take precedent over their government? I must have missed that.

Random people? Is that what you call the vast majority of a demographic? Strange view.

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A concerted and simultaneous recognition by all the major western countries would leave China without a leg to stand on as well as demonstrating beyond refutation to the CCP that Pooh’s policy of aggression and threat is working strongly to China’s and the CCP’S disbenefit. Exit Pooh.

this. hatred toward the CCP has skyrocketed since last year, and the wolf wankers are only making things worse with their twitter rants and stunts like the one in this article.

the CCP are driving foreign investors out of china by hemselves---they are pretty much shooting themselves in the foot with their beligerant behavior. how do you express the concept of "schadenfreude" in chinese? that would be equivalent to a massive loss of face, which hits the ccp right where it hurts the most.

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Because it's normal to threaten the borders of a place that's totally not an independent country at huge expense just for fun.

China is itching for a fight

3 ( +5 / -2 )

As China's bulling of other countries worsens, there will be a reaction which might make major countries to officially recognize Taiwan. China has already showed that it is not a reliable trading partner. And that there is a price to pay for trading with China. Manufacturers are looking at other countries to trade with instead. As China become less relevant, so will it's bulling and thus loss of control. And there lies the possibility for Taiwan to be recognized.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Tsai should increase the military budget.

Taiwan Does not have Article 9. No restrictions unlike Japan.

Invest more in the military. In your defense.

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Only about 14 countries actually recognize Taiwan as a country, Japan isn't one of them. No major power really is. Heck, Taiwan itself is pretty divided on the subject. There many Taiwanese who support integration.

The common denominator among the KMT party, the DPP ruling party, and the young generation is to maintain the current status quo. This is the peaceful option. 83.4% in a poll taken chose maintaining the status quo as the best option over independence or reunification.

Biden on Afghanistan stated, "American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves."

So are American troops going to fight in a war and die in a war for Taiwanese independence, a cause that the Taiwanese themselves choose not taken up? You have to have a strong will to do anything, let alone to sacrifice your lives.

Like clockwork. The CCP is facing domestic troubles as it can't keep the lights on, and this is because its obtuseness drove Australia from what could have been a promising partnership back into the Western camp, and with them went China's coal. 

@Laguna

I think you mean iron ore. You have to understand the scale of things in China. It's not like pulling the plug as in....."there goes the coal! No more coal, no more electricity." The power supply problem is a management problem not one of supply and certainly not coal from Australia. Please back your statements with data.

China imports 6% of its coal consumption. 93% of coal usage in China is produced in China. China's coal production is 50% of world’s total; it has has plenty of coal. It is 1st in the world in coal production and 1st in coal consumption.

Coal Production by Country in Tons

China 3,708,155,408,000 (3.7 trillion)

India 761,662,038,400 (0.76 trillion)

US 728,364,498,000 (0.72 trillion)

Australia 554,763,962,900 (0.55 trillion)

the CCP are driving foreign investors out of china by hemselves---they are pretty much shooting themselves in the foot with their beligerant behavior. 

@tokyo-star

China was the largest recipient of foreign direct investment in 2020. The amount of investment in China from outside of China ($164 billion) has over taken the amount of investment in the US from outside the US by almost $30 billion dollars. The data shows where world investors are putting their money.

Just a few days ago the President of EU Strategic Policy Joseph Burrell met with China's Wang Yi. The EU is looking to trade and invest in China. Please back your statements with data.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

The PRC needs a distraction from its internal problems. Nothing like a short victorious war to get your citizens mind off of other things.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Even long before covid, china has been a horrible country and a bully globally. We should move our factories back and watch them fall into economic collapse, make them eat themselves or have the sheep population stand up against the tyrant government.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

My bad! TW should thank China for showing off their modern fighters daily !

This would send an urgent message to the USA that they should sell Taipei their F-35’s instead of the Kennedy-era and Smithsonian -bound da-kine F-16’s oldies!

I bet Beijington would then hesitate to fly their planes near TW the moment they see Washingjing delivering the best fighters in the planet to the democratic Island Republic!

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So are American troops going to fight in a war and die in a war for Taiwanese independence, a cause that the Taiwanese themselves choose not taken up?

Taiwan does not want war, but it will fight one to keep the freedom from the CCP it has always enjoyed. Taiwan will be patient and declare independence when the time is right.

China imports 6% of its coal consumption. 93% of coal usage in China is produced in China. China's coal production is 50% of world’s total; it has has plenty of coal. It is 1st in the world in coal production and 1st in coal consumption.

China like other nations produces different types of coal but only thermal coal is used in power production. China is net zero on coal as it uses more than it produces. China was number 11 for coal exports in 2020 (China: $435.3 million (0.5%)). Apart from what China produces and exports it imported (China: US$16.4 billion (17.3% of total imported coal)). By not importing Australian thermal coal for power production it has left China short of the needed quantity to continue running all its coal fired power plants. China does not produce sufficient thermal coal to be self sufficient.

China was the largest recipient of foreign direct investment in 2020. The amount of investment in China from outside of China ($164 billion) has over taken the amount of investment in the US from outside the US by almost $30 billion dollars. The data shows where world investors are putting their money.

And yet China lies when it says the West is trying to stop China's development. The facts show the West drives investment into China and clearly supports China's development. What the West opposes is China's territorial expansion, military buildup and belligerence towards its neighbors and trade coercion to manipulate other nations actions.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

China is fast becoming the Bully of Asia. If it succeeds in invading and capturing Taiwan, Japan would be the next target. PM Kishida should take this fact seriously into his foreign policy.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

China is continuing to erode Taiwan’s independence by a persistent and methodical testing of the Taiwanese governments’, and the West’s, willingness to defend against Chinese aggression. biden’s failures in Afghanistan, the undermining of France and NATO with the AUKUS sub deal has encouraged China to press against this disunity. Weakness always invites attacks.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

the undermining of France and NATO with the AUKUS sub deal.

NATO was not effected and remains unchanged.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

if North Korea and South Korea can de recognised as separate countries why not Taiwan?

Because the green light for international recognition of the two Koreas came from a unanimous UN security council resolution in 1991. China is not going to agree to something similar for Taiwan.

The only things preventing Taiwan being recognised internationally as the independent country it clearly is is Chinese bullying and the pusillanimous behaviour of western politicians.

The biggest hurdle Taiwan faces is international law. The moment it stops claiming to be the true government of all China and declares independence, it becomes a secessionist movement. All countries have the right to crush secessionist movements within their borders. The principle of non-intervention in domestic conflicts would make it illegal for any other state to arm or aid Taiwan without UN security council authorisation. If the US decided to intervene unilaterally (and illegally) in favour of Taiwan, it might maintain the status quo but it won't lead to widespread recognition because the UN charter does not allow members to recognise states created by military force. Like it or not, Taiwan has no viable path to independence.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

The CCP needs to stop threatening the independent nation of Taiwan.

Long live free Taiwan.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Just a matter of time as they start to practice and size things up ...One day they will come close and keep going and be loaded up

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And yet China lies when it says the West is trying to stop China's development. The facts show the West drives investment into China and clearly supports China's development.

The West is not a single entity. Both statements, investment and containment, can coexist.

By not importing Australian thermal coal for power production it has left China short of the needed quantity to continue running all its coal fired power plants. 

I've posted before that there's great demand for electricity but power plants are private businesses yet rates are regulated and restricted by government; it is no longer profitable to produce power. Increase demand but price cannot go up and the pre-existing shortage of supply result in the current state. In the bigger picture, this is testing China's intervention versus free market principles, not about Australia's shipment of coal.

If it succeeds in invading and capturing Taiwan, Japan would be the next target. 

China is not going to invade Japan. Zero chance. China wants to be partners and make money trading with Japan. China is about trade, leverage and then control. Xi Jinping is not Ghenghis Kahn, and Japan is protected by kamikaze.

What will the world community do should China attack Taiwan? As with Tibet, the Tiananmen Square massacre, the Uighur people, Hong Kong, etc., will the world just sit on its hands again or will this be the breaking point where enough is enough?

The foreign minister of Taiwan in an interview with Sky News stated that China was in its final stages of preparing to take over Taiwan. The interviewer replied, "interesting...." There is your answer right there.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

This would send an urgent message to the USA that they should sell Taipei their F-35’s instead of the Kennedy-era and Smithsonian -bound da-kine F-16’s oldies!

The current Block 60 F-16 is as modern as any fighter made. Two problems with Taiwan operating F-35s. Number one is their cost per flight hour. Most air forces only have so much money per year available for training. If your aircraft costs a lot to fly per flight hour, you fly less because the money is fixed. Flying less means less training, and less combat proficiency. The USAF and Congress are telling Lockheed-Martin that if they don't bring the cost per hour down on the F-35 there won't be any more orders past FY22. F-35s cost more than $30,000 per flight hour, more than an F-15 costs, where an F-16 costs just under $10,000 per flight hour. High cost per flight hour (as great as a B-52) is the reason the F-22 program was cancelled.

The second consideration is that Taiwan doesn't need all aspect low observability to operate over its own territory. Air forces need airplanes like F-35s to be able to operate inside airspace protected by the best modern ground based air defenses like HQ-9 and HQ-20. To defend ones own airspace L-O isn't necessary. An F-16 with the best radars, countermeasures and air to air missiles is more than adequate. Low flying hour costs mean the pilots can train more and be better trained than their opponent.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

It’s simply bizarre that most people commenting here think the US has the ability to protect Taiwan from China… They never did and never will! China is one of the strongest countries in the world and cannot be ignored or pushed aside…get that into your thick brains if you have any! The US can’t go to war with China at any cost! Japan military ( purely for show ) has absolutely no chance against China even with full US support. To add to this, Russia will never allow the US to attack China as it’s in their backyard. Hack, the US couldn’t even win the war with Vietnam and Taliban…enough said!

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

@englisc aspyrgend

Incidentally, if North Korea and South Korea can de recognised as separate countries why not Taiwan?

NK and ROK do not recognize each other as separate countries, rather anti-government rebels occupying their territory. 

@stormcrow

What will the world community do should China attack Taiwan? 

The cold hard truth is nothing. Only US might try to militarily intervene, but the amount of US intervention is limited by Japanese refusal to let the US launch military operations from Okinawa due to Japanese fear of being dragged into a war with China.

Beside, the PLA battle plan is to take all of Taiwan in a week, before the US can intervene and make Chinese conquest a fact on the ground.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

This risk an civilian airplane getting shot down,plane are flying to China from Taiwan ,and flying from China to Taiwan Google Flightaware Taipei

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

The biggest hurdle Taiwan faces is international law. The moment it stops claiming to be the true government of all China and declares independence, it becomes a secessionist movement. All countries have the right to crush secessionist movements within their borders.

Taiwan is not within Chinese borders. Taiwan is already a functioning independent state.

Taiwan has never been a part of the CCP China. It cant secede from what it has never been a part of.

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This would send an urgent message to the USA that they should sell Taipei their F-35’s instead of the Kennedy-era and Smithsonian -bound da-kine F-16’s oldies!

The F-35's is unable to fly in thunderstorms I recall in Peter Thiel's speech at the RNC 2016. Then it was that the F-35 Lighting II can't fly in lightning last year. The Taiwanese should stop wasting their money and see through the US attempt to export defense assets.

The Chinese warplanes in the last few days are only for show and ahead of Taiwan's National Day October 10th.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

china is not your friend

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