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Chinese weaponry spotted on artificial island, U.S. says

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First of all there will be no blockage. Secondly, it is sad it seems to be for military purposes. Lastly by rights China has no claim to the area. It belongs to the five nations that hare the territorial waters.

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I doubt this comes as a surprise to anyone. Such hypocrites, they moan about Japans conduct from 70 years ago but here they are TODAY causing instability and tension. And people wonder why Japan is revising its security policy - China is the the reason. They remind me of the romulans in star Trek...

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Well it looks like China is going to keep pushing the boundaries until someone responds. The question is whether the other Asian nations will step up to the plate or just dump the problems in the US's lap.

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@Living Memory - "you CAN'T dismiss China's claims." True, but the problem is that China, by coercion and threat of force, is trying to unilaterally dismiss everyone else's claim!

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It's only a matter of time before China feels emboldened enough to start firing surface to air missles on aircraft flying too close to what China deems as being strategic military installations. Accidents do happen . . . it's just a matter of time now.

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China is probably betting that they can establish some physical control before the group of nations can get their act together and present a unified response.

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...for public service use and to support fishermen.

Yeah, they probably sell bait, lures, and rods.

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Fact is that all those nations oppose each other

No they don't. They oppose China's aggressive expansionism and constant sabre rattling. For several decades now, the nations surrounding the SCS have been strengthening ties with one another in a direct response to China's increasing hostility, extreme military spending, and also to North Korea's instability. It seems like every 2-3 days I'm hearing about Japan strengthening ties with it's neighbours, making new defence agreements and so on. So where is the opposition you speak of?

You also speak about the overlapping claims. That's true, but only China claims the majority of the region, defending it aggressively, even to the stage of developing artificial islands and having weaponry on said islands. Remove China, and despite overlapping claims, there won't be any conflict. The other claimants are all allies, and far more mature than China is. Most likely they will work out an agreement to jointly control the South China Sea. The only reason this isn't already the case is because of China. Remove them, and the only threat to regional security would be North Korea, and they're a joke.

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Australia makes the claim also Alistair.

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Although more subtle the PRC's action taking position in SCS is very much like the Nazis that rolled into East Europe claiming it is their inherent right.

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@presto345"China is working hard to achieve its own destruction". Oh, come on. Do you seriously believe it?

@bass4funk"Russia? China? Sweden perhaps?"

Why not ? Russia and China avoid to start aggressive wars here and there, bombing countries and killing civilians. Their policemen may act harsh but they are not known as murderers of civilians. In any case Russia and China look out better, than your country.

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Another good reason for the increase in the defense of Japan.

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How would this be for US benefit flowers? Do you believe a China left to do whatever they choose is not chaos?

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The Chinese will continue until enough military/political pressure pushes back. US, Australia, Japan, South Korea and Southeast Asian countries have to unite and work together. There is no other option to curtail China's expansion.

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MarkG, you could be right, we've seen the chaos resulting when America does whatever it wants.

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Vietnam would support itself. It would not be the first time it tangled with China...or the U.S. for that matter! And, oh yeah! American involvement in the Vietnamese Civil War, precipitated by that contrived nonsense in the Gulf of Tonkin. Oh yeah, we really need America patrolling cause all America does is spread peace! Like in Iraq!

I don't see the moral equivalency with the Iraq or Vietnam, but whatever. So, you don't want to speak Chinese? Well, I guess you really don't understand the severe ramifications once China is dug in and secures that area. We all are already having a difficult time with a growing and more brazen China. So yes, you do want America patrolling that stretch of the ocean because at least everyone can travel freely. Once China controls it, you can forget that and the real headaches will start.

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There is also an UNCLOS arbitration going on in the Hague at the moment 'Phillippines v China'. China has so far completely refused to even participate but there will a ruling handed down eventually. Most people say China will lose but then refuse to comply. At that point there will be no question that China is operating outside of the law and international norms.

I am bashing the keyboard on a tram

Sounds nice. I haven't been on a tram in ages. I'm going to assume you are in a nice tram city like Stockholm.

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'You're wasting your time. Bass is one of the few sentient beings left on the planet who still thinks the Iraq invasion was a good idea.'

'I never said, the invasion was good, I say, it was good to get rid of Saddam.'

So, the invasion was a bad idea? I really can't tell from that confusing and strangely punctuated sentence.

I also don't get the 'to a point' comment. The US right constantly bangs on about how American presidents should act in the interests of America and you are the first to launch a partisan rant at Obama for not doing so from your perspective. You more than most want leaders who stand up for what benefits the US. Would you be happy with a leader whose foreign policy benefitted other countries at America's expense? Believe it or not, what is good for America isn't necessarily good for everyone else.

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Hi M3M3M3, Actually in Kochi, heading out the Ino town..

.I sincerely hope that common sense prevails. What I find remarkable and disappointing was that only on the 24th China’s President Xi Jinping enthused the “friendship” between the countries “deserves cherishing and protecting.....

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'Far more benefit than chaos nogardflow. Look at history. It's clear, by far USA has done more benefit for the world than any other nation in history. USA is one of the first in line to assist logistically, financially and with equipment when disaster strikes. But go ahead, trash USA, does it make you feel better? I'll stand on the facts.'

US foreign policy benefits the US. This is perfectly understandable. Whether this has benefitted or harmed other countries is incidental.

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The fact that the Government of China has authorized the deployment of self-propelled artillery vehicles is further evidence that restrictions will be enforced by air defense exclusion zone over the South China Sea the Government of China see fit means by means of aggression to lay claim to. Tens of thousands of ship pass through these routes that have essential importance for Japan essential energy supplies.

The Government of China is essentially mirroring Japan past imperialist aggression, domination of an industrialized country, utilizing the Spratly Island chain of strategically important and geographic position, seized under vague historical validity.

The Japanese government must now request under promise of potential peril all United States Forces Japan be placed on a heightened state of readiness to if necessary halt by force all Chinese land reclamation activity and remove any military equipment and personal.

Direct your comments towards the true villains and transgressors the Government of China

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Pardon my hideous 1st grade grammatical errors in my last comment, to my favor I am bashing the keyboard on a tram .

The Chinese Government only have itself to blame for the inevitable retaliatory action military or otherwise.

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How many people have been killed by police in the US this year? How many in the other 1st world countries?

And inner city Stockholm is dangerous, maybe inner city Havana? Have been to any inner city in USA? try Chicago someday and tell me police don't have a difficult job.

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Now lets just wait til Obama caves on this, hightails out of Okinawa, and accepts all Chinese claims to the area. It is question of time.

You do know that's obvious. Just like the way he caved in on Syria, Russia, Iran, Iraq, why on Earth would China be any different? For the next 528 more days Obama just wants to make sure he can finish out his term hopefully without having to get himself involved in any major geopolitical conflicts however entangled they may be. In doing so could jeopardize his future legacy (whatever that is) and will just wait it out until the next president comes in and then that Administration can deal with it.

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'I want a leader that cares about America and our national interests and not throw the country and people under the bus.'

The last leader of the US was prepared to throw thousands to their deaths while draining the country's money in a disastrous war. Is that the kind of leader you want? You should be 'greatful' that you are a professional writer and not one of those who was sent to die in a hellhole in an unmitigated disaster.

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Hmmm , would this be the same military intelligence, which claimed there were WMDs in Iraq , I wonder ?

Australia makes the claim also Alistair.

Which was basically the international intelligence community.

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"the rapidly expanding land reclamation by China"

As soon as the U.S. closes its bases there, Okinawa will be reclaimed by China. But no worries, that won't be for awhile...

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Case in point why America should not be world police. They don't have the best interests of the world at heart, only their own interests. Kind of like how their own police treat their own populace.

Well, careful what you wish for. Police in Baltimore are now much more reserved and look what is happening. Pity your thinking police are an evil in USA. Media hype directed your thinking.

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I have to laugh at how you justify to yourself that your country is as awesome as you'd like to think.

The ironic thing is that you leave out the best part of your country - Barack Obama.

Well, NOT including Obama. As long as that guys in office, China will in the short amount of time establish a complete stronghold in that part of the region, so if you are gleefully happy about the outcome of what will happen once China is deeply entrenched, then you can blame the so called best THING that allowed that build up to happen Barack Hussein Obama.

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The last leader of the US was prepared to throw thousands to their deaths while draining the country's money in a disastrous war. Is that the kind of leader you want?

To fight terrorism, there is no other way to fight or do you think it's better to throw a flower at them. I want a leader that cares about the country and that is NOT apologetic, bows down to people, makes empty threats, gives in to our enemies and ensures the safety of the country and its citizens.

You should be 'greatful' that you are a professional writer and not one of those who was sent to die in a hellhole in an unmitigated disaster.

You have no idea as to where I have been my friend.

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Worst thing is a Chinese internet has posted that DF-21D has been seen in Wenchang, Hainan, which is 1300 km north Spratly Islands, South China Sea.

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This is another example of American move to isolate and weaken china. Have we not learned anything? Our Economy is in the dumps. The Middle East is a much worse state than ever before. Russia is putting a big front to US and NATO. And now we're instead focusing on preventing China's expansion? shake my head

And what do you think we can accomplish by starting a new cold war with China? A nation that holds our debt, that does actually profitable investments and contributions to the world in terms of economics. Whereas the world only see US as war hungry world police force.

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Unlike Senkaku conflict, Paracel and Sparaty Islands have little credibility who own them? According San Fransisco treaty signed as US and UK as witness, ROC or Taiwan was the landlord.

After no longer recognizing Taiwan as sovereign state, everything has messed up. If US bias against Vietnam or Philippines, other contesting nation will get displeasure. Brunei and Malaysia are claiming too. There will be never United voice in Asia. If Vietnam get them, Philippines will be insulted.

The best solution is doing nothing.

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neither Vietnam nor India feel serious threat from China.

And a round of applause for yamashi! He/she'll be here all night!

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US, Australia take two cards each and call, China notices that its bluff didn't work and folds.

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Of course you don't. America is not the peace loving nation it keeps being touted as. I never expected the American history brainwashing courses you took in junior high to recede. But I hoped some others might cop on.

And yet, people are still breaking their necks trying to get into America. As a nation we're not perfect, but we've given more food and and humanitarian aid privately, publicly than any other nation, even when millions have NO money. If you think that's brainwashing, then I say, it's the other way around.

You're wasting your time. Bass is one of the few sentient beings left on the planet who still thinks the Iraq invasion was a good idea.

I never said, the invasion was good, I say, it was good to get rid of Saddam.

I honestly don't see the US as good

I do.

or evil but I can think if countries which are less turned on by weapons, violence, silly narratives of heroism and are less inclined to arrogant proselytizing. The US is a country like any other in pursuing a foreign policy which benefits itself but given America's strength and status, its actions are more far-reaching. Some countries will benefit and some won't as a result.

To a point.

There is no net benefit to the world of America's world police.

As you see when Obama pulled back how everything falls apart and now everyone wants to the US to come to the rescue once again. Personally, I don't like that we are the worlds police, but you see what happens when the US disengages from the world scene.

All they've done is destabilized regions, leading to disaffection in said regions, increasing the number of terrorists who go out and commit terrorist acts.

But the vast majority of the destabilization of that is coming from the Sectarian violence, but don't let me stop you.

This directly led to 9/11, after which the US totally freaked out, and destabilizes the world even further, leading to further disaffection, and more terrorists. So they attacked Iraq, destroyed the country, and along with it the middle class, which left a vacuum into which ISIS stepped - creating even more terrorists.

The sectarian Sunni and Shia conflict, Yes, that's correct. But at the same time, Obama could have thwarted the rise of ISIS, but chose not to.

World Police would be a good thing if they were not inept, and had some kind of regulation and oversight.

That will never happen. Look how the UN functions. What a joke.

But America has been entirely inept in its self-decision to become the world police, and has no oversight whatsoever. They basically do whatever the whim of the day is.

As a superpower you can, I'm not saying it's always right, but when everyone comes to you for aid, help, money, weapons, you can say whatever you want, like it or not.

The world would be a better place without America policing it.

Obama tried that and look what's happening, nice attempt though.

Sure, we'd likely go through a bit of instability while things went to their natural balance, and some places in the world would end up absolute sh*tholes, but that's life.

You call the collapse of the ME, China building these Islands, Russian selling arms to the highest bidder to destabilize Ukraine and Eastern Europe and possibly next the Baltic's a bit of instability??? Wow!!

If countries want to pull themselves out of that, they need to work at it themselves, with assistance provided if requested. And that assistance wouldn't come directly from America, it would come from a world body that gives oversight.

Nice, but that hippie concept will never work and never come to fruition. Let's deal with reality.

Maybe you believe that letting China do what it wants is a good thing, but I assure you, if there is NO intervention now, it will all turn worse for the entire Asian pacific.

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So, the invasion was a bad idea? I really can't tell from that confusing and strangely punctuated sentence.

Easy, I wasn't thrilled about the invasion, but found it necessary to unseat.

I also don't get the 'to a point' comment. The US right constantly bangs on about how American presidents should act in the interests of America and you are the first to launch a partisan rant at Obama for not doing so from your perspective. You more than most want leaders who stand up for what benefits the US. Would you be happy with a leader whose foreign policy benefitted other countries at America's expense?

I want a leader that cares about America and our national interests and not throw the country and people under the bus.

Believe it or not, what is good for America isn't necessarily good for everyone else.

I'm ok with that.

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'Jimizo, "US foreign policy benefits the US. This is perfectly understandable. Whether this has benefitted or harmed other countries is incidental." I think the millions of dead, might disagree about it only being 'incidental'.'

Please don't misunderstand me here. I didn't want to sound flippant about those killed when I used 'incidental'. The Iraq invasion to take one example was a criminal atrocity for which those at the very top should have stood trial ( it's worth adding the UK's complicity in this for fairness ). I was trying to point out the nonsensical myths of the US right when it comes to US foreign policy.

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China is working hard to achieve its own destruction. They, meaning their highly intelligent leaders, believe they can control the world, a favor in return for the investments made in this very far east entity by developed countries. Is this all about greed or need? Whichever it is the means are wrong.

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Why not ? Russia and China avoid to start aggressive wars here and there, bombing countries and killing civilians.

So what do you call the war in Crimea with Russia, the ongoing Chechen conflict and how about China, the Tibetans and Uyghur.

Nice try.

Their policemen may act harsh but they are not known as murderers of civilians. In any case Russia and China look out better, than your country.

Keep telling yourself that and you just might believe it. Do you know how many people in China and Russia go missing every year? I don't you really understand the political complexities of those countries. At least we're not a Communist Socialist nation and we definitely don't have to worry about our country being run by a bunch of thuggish Oligarchs.

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'Case in point why America should not be world police.

There's no one else that could take its place. Russia? China? Sweden perhaps?'

Ah, Sweden. A country of low political corruption, social mobility, low crime, progressive thinking, great health care, a free press, social justice and a country which abandoned imperial ideas a very long time ago. That's the kind of influence we could do with. Even if they had the population and means, they'd probably still be more focused on providing decent lives for their citizens rather than wasting taxes on useless bases on the other side of the planet. A pity in some ways. A world influenced by Swedish thinking would be much more preferable and peaceful to one influenced by the US, China or Russia.

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I have to laugh at how you justify to yourself that your country is as awesome as you'd like to think.

The ironic thing is that you leave out the best part of your country - Barack Obama.

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@Living Memory

No, its not enough to just oppose China and waltz away. Whose claims do you support? Cause if you have not sussed out who does own this or that, you CAN'T dismiss China's claims.

Exactly as in the complex situation of overlapping claims. Any party should not take advantage of a complicated situation by unprecedentedly & rapidly manufacture Islands. Using the complicated situation as Cover to Actually quickly grab land & sea as which is currently happening is malicious and evil. Parties should at the very least respect International law such as UNCLOS (EEZ) not unilateral or Chinese law alone.

Shall we please align ourselves to those who respect International law (and also try to shut down the islands building/fabricating as soon as possible)

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Now lets just wait til Obama caves on this, hightails out of Okinawa, and accepts all Chinese claims to the area. It is question of time.

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To fight terrorism

Maybe you should take a second look at Building #7 which free fell in 6.2 seconds on 9/11, which is impossible without demolitions, then get back to us about your "terrorism" theories.

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To fight terrorism

Maybe you should take a second look at Building #7 which free fell in 6.2 seconds on 9/11, which is impossible without demolitions, then get back to us about your "terrorism" theories."

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'You should be 'greatful' that you are a professional writer and not one of those who was sent to die in a hellhole in an unmitigated disaster.

You have no idea as to where I have been my friend.'

You were a serviceman in Iraq?

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Back on topic please.

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So, the invasion was a bad idea? I really can't tell from that confusing and strangely punctuated sentence.

Easy, it means he agrees with the goal, that doesn't mean agrees with how it was done/executed.

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he. Funny how some ppl think that every South East Asian and East Asian Nation bordered to China should unite and fight against china. As if China is some Imperialistic Colonizing Empire. Last I check China was the one that was colonized by almost every European and Japanese Colonial powers and now they're pointing fingers at China and telling China what to do? And Treating China as if it's Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia?? And May I also remind everyone, that almost every South East and East Asian country has historical, cultural, and economic ties with China that have dated FAR LONGER than any European or American trade and culture exchange.

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itsonlyrocknrollMAY. 30, 2015 - 05:45PM JST

The Chinese Government only have itself to blame for the inevitable retaliatory action military or otherwise.

Not to worry old bean. The rest of the world is too chicken shit to stand up to them.

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The last paragraph made the whole picture of the news clearer.

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'Of course you don't. America is not the peace loving nation it keeps being touted as. I never expected the American history brainwashing courses you took in junior high to recede. But I hoped some others might cop on.'

You're wasting your time. Bass is one of the few sentient beings left on the planet who still thinks the Iraq invasion was a good idea.

I honestly don't see the US as good or evil but I can think if countries which are less turned on by weapons, violence, silly narratives of heroism and are less inclined to arrogant proselytizing. The US is a country like any other in pursuing a foreign policy which benefits itself but given America's strength and status, its actions are more far-reaching. Some countries will benefit and some won't as a result.

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The Chinese are smart enough to understand that Might Makes Right, and no one owns anything unless you have a guy with a weapon standing on top of it.

It's interesting that people talk about "a net benefit for the world" regarding the US's role as world police. Well, if net benefit for humanity is your metric, let's put this South China Sea issue in a different perspective:

China: population 1.4 billion, ~20% of humanity Vietnam, Malaysia, and Philippines combined: ~230 million, or 3% of humanity.

China is trying to secure sufficient raw materials imports to ensure the well-being of 1/5th of our entire species.

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Where's the pictures? You can't believe ANYTHING the MSM says these days.

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Ah, Sweden. A country of low political corruption, social mobility, low crime, progressive thinking, great health care, a free press, social justice and a country which abandoned imperial ideas a very long time ago. That's the kind of influence we could do with. Even if they had the population and means, they'd probably still be more focused on providing decent lives for their citizens rather than wasting taxes on useless bases on the other side of the planet. A pity in some ways. A world influenced by Swedish thinking would be much more preferable and peaceful to one influenced by the US, China or Russia.

Typical Socialist thinking. If I wanted my country to be like Sweden, I would have moved there a long time ago. I don't even the Swedes on anything, we are not them and they are not us. I'm greatful to live in one the greatest countries in the world. Funny, you have more Chinese trying their darndest to enter, live and get educated in the U.S., I don't see droves of them entering Sweden.

China may be a country with a lot of money and growing in power, but freedom is something they don't entirely have and from the looks of it, they want to deny others that right and who's going to stop them? Definitely NOT Sweden. Or do you think Sweden can protect Japan from China?

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The last leader of the US was prepared to throw thousands to their deaths while draining the country's money in a disastrous war. Is that the kind of leader you want? You should be 'greatful' that you are a professional writer and not one of those who was sent to die in a hellhole in an unmitigated disaster.

While the current leader in his most lucid moment thinks that the "climate change" bogey man is real.

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@crouching$amurai. Good point. It was China colonized by Europeans and Japanese. China is a product of their own environment. Too bad the communist won power after WW2, but after such national embarrassment for over a century or two, we can't really blame them.

And May I also remind everyone, that almost every South East and East Asian country has historical, cultural, and economic ties with China that have dated FAR LONGER than any European or American trade and culture exchange.

Yeah. Japan most of all-

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@Fox Sora Winters

So where is the opposition you speak of?....You also speak about the overlapping claims. That's true, .

Overlapping claims ARE opposition!!!

Vietnam claims all of the Spratlys and Paracel Islands. Obviously that claim is in opposition to all other claimants.

And guess what? Taiwan also claims them all.

And Malaysia leans toward China on some issues. From Wiki:

2013 August – Malaysia suggested that it might work with China over their South China Sea claims and ignore the other claimants, with Malaysian Defence Minister Hishamuddin Hussein saying that Malaysia had no problem with China patrolling the South China Sea, and telling ASEAN, America, and Japan that "Just because you have enemies, doesn't mean your enemies are my enemies."

The other claimants are all allies,

No, they aren't. They are neighbors with less opposition to each other than to China, with the exception of Malaysia and Taiwan. That does not remotely make them allies. It does not even make China allies with Malaysia and Taiwan!

Most likely they will work out an agreement to jointly control the South China Sea.

There is no bar to working out an agreement even with China in the picture. But they aren't doing that. In fact, with all opposed to China they STILL are not forming a clear alliance or agreement among themselves, and that fact should speak volumes.

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MarkG, not exactly sure what history you're looking at, perhaps you should do a little research into all the benefits of our wars and foreign policy. Remember to look past what they want you to see and look at what they're trying to hide.

Jimizo, "US foreign policy benefits the US. This is perfectly understandable. Whether this has benefitted or harmed other countries is incidental." I think the millions of dead, might disagree about it only being 'incidental'.

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Pity your thinking police are an evil in USA. Media hype directed your thinking.

How many people have been killed by police in the US this year? How many in the other 1st world countries?

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Case in point why America should not be world police.

There's no one else that could take its place. Russia? China? Sweden perhaps?

They don't have the best interests of the world at heart, only their own interests. Kind of like how their own police treat their own populace.

You mean criminals and thugs?

I was trying to point out the nonsensical myths of the US right when it comes to US foreign policy.

Ok, then so far how did the policies of the left worked out? From the looks of it over the last 6 years, disastrous!

How many people have been killed by police in the US this year? How many in the other 1st world countries?

Good question, we don't know because many countries don't disclose those records and not all of them are public. Or do you have access to police information we don't have?

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Far more benefit than chaos nogardflow. Look at history. It's clear, by far USA has done more benefit for the world than any other nation in history. USA is one of the first in line to assist logistically, financially and with equipment when disaster strikes. But go ahead, trash USA, does it make you feel better? I'll stand on the facts.

Living Memorry, China is not even in the picture. Not even close. If not for US presence China would excellerated it's arrogant agenda. The UN does nothing, never does. What SE Asian nation would oppose China if not for the U.S. in support those nations? Do you prefer to speak Chinese? Maybe Russian?

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@bass4funk

I don't see the moral equivalency with the Iraq or Vietnam,

Of course you don't. America is not the peace loving nation it keeps being touted as. I never expected the American history brainwashing courses you took in junior high to recede. But I hoped some others might cop on.

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There is no net benefit to the world of America's world police. All they've done is destabilized regions, leading to disaffection in said regions, increasing the number of terrorists who go out and commit terrorist acts. This directly led to 9/11, after which the US totally freaked out, and destabilizes the world even further, leading to further disaffection, and more terrorists. So they attacked Iraq, destroyed the country, and along with it the middle class, which left a vacuum into which ISIS stepped - creating even more terrorists.

World Police would be a good thing if they were not inept, and had some kind of regulation and oversight. But America has been entirely inept in its self-decision to become the world police, and has no oversight whatsoever. They basically do whatever the whim of the day is.

The world would be a better place without America policing it. Sure, we'd likely go through a bit of instability while things went to their natural balance, and some places in the world would end up absolute sh*tholes, but that's life. If countries want to pull themselves out of that, they need to work at it themselves, with assistance provided if requested. And that assistance wouldn't come directly from America, it would come from a world body that gives oversight.

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Chinese weaponry spotted on artificial island, U.S. says

Ofcourse artificial island is not 'No Man's Land' so builder will naturally guard it.

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@MarkG "It's clear by far USA has done more benefit for the world"

By bombing civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, perhaps ? Or by examples how US policemen easily shoot to death innocent bystanders? Please, stop sing sweet hymns to your country. We can see your nature better, than any X-ray machine.

"Do you prefer to speak Chinese, maybe Russian?"

Do you have any problem, based on racism, with foreign languages? My friends from Vietnam speak both Chinese and Russian and quite happy with that. Further, neither Vietnam nor India feel serious threat from China. Perhaps, because they have friendly relations with Russia. So, do not claim yourself magic saviors of SE region.

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This is not Japan's war! We must learn from our past and not to repeat the mistakes. Unless Japan is attacked, we need to stay neutral and pacifist.

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Believe it or not, what is good for America isn't necessarily good for everyone else.

I'm ok with that.

Case in point why America should not be world police. They don't have the best interests of the world at heart, only their own interests. Kind of like how their own police treat their own populace.

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@ MarkG

Do you prefer to speak Chinese? Maybe Russian?

I don't live on an island in the South China Sea.

What SE Asian nation would oppose China if not for the U.S. in support those nations?

Vietnam would support itself. It would not be the first time it tangled with China...or the U.S. for that matter! And, oh yeah! American involvement in the Vietnamese Civil War, precipitated by that contrived nonsense in the Gulf of Tonkin. Oh yeah, we really need America patrolling cause all America does is spread peace! Like in Iraq!

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Maybe you believe that letting China do what it wants is a good thing

Strawman

I assure you, if there is NO intervention now, it will all turn worse for the entire Asian pacific.

Yeah, keep being American. Because every time America says something like that, their actions that follow ruin the world a little more.

Maybe you're even right that there should be intervention - the US is too inept to do it without making things worse. Better to let it go its own course, because even if it goes bad, it won't go as bad as if the US gets involved.

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Keep on provoking and bullying China but China just keeps trotting on. US, please don’t create chaos in Asia for your own benefits,

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Hmmm , would this be the same military intelligence, which claimed there were WMDs in Iraq , I wonder ?

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Naturally, the headline does not read, American weaponry spotted over artificial island.

Or American weaponry spotted on ships near artificial island and all over the South CHINA Sea.

So to sum up what America is saying, weeks ago the artillery vehicles were there. But today, they are gone. But we are not going to show you any pictures. Just believe us.

Alistair Carnell was quite right to bring up WMD. Seems a great lot of people are itching to be suckers again.

@MarkG

China has no claim to the area. It belongs to the five nations that hare the territorial waters.

Say what??? When did any of those nations ever make an agreement with any other concerning joint ownership??

Its no wonder China is beefing up. Its not like totally inventing excuses to oppose anything China does is new.

Fact is that all those nations oppose each other and claim pieces as their own. Remove China and their claims still overlap. So my question to everyone is, which nation's claims do you support? Vietnam? The Philippines? Malaysia? Who?

No, its not enough to just oppose China and waltz away. Whose claims do you support? Cause if you have not sussed out who does own this or that, you CAN'T dismiss China's claims.

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