Christian militia accused of plotting to kill police in U.S.

There is no shortage of nut cases in this world.

Just another example of evil right wing Christians.

goodDonkey: All religions have an "evil side".

Crazy man. Trying to start something in the name of God right? Man, how many people got to die for this stuff.

Then you got them crazy neck red people up there swallowing it up.

That's all we need. Just when you think things are settling down, our come the nut jobs.

A great lot of allegations but no mention of how in the world those allegations came to be; a mole, phone tapping, mail tracing, railroading, what?

I have no doubt that these people are heavily armed nuts who think they are Christians, but that in itself is not a crime. I guess I should be happy they and their children did not get surprised attacked and burned alive like Branch Davidians. Interesting that the Oklahoma bombing is mentioned but not the government massacre that sparked it.

This ios just the tip of the iceberg of these Christian extremist. I'm glad they broke this up. < :-)

"it's just patriotism" - yes, this justifies just about anything in America. One of the reasons I got out of there.

"I think David started to take it a little too far..."

I think David took it all the way to the bank and back if you ask me. Well folks, now we got large scale christian extremist terror groups developing huh? They want to stop the great white satan too huh? Sheesh, why can't they do cult suicide with special punch like in the old days?

These guy certainly didn't read his bible though. "Turn the other cheek" and "Those that live by the sword die by it."

Another crew of nuts like in Waco TX...

HonestDictator said: Another crew of nuts like in Waco TX...

Not quite. They were never accussed of planning terrorist plots as far as I know. They were just attacked and burned alive.

Christians: priests raping kids and now this...ahhhh why did I ever turn my back on the church?

Musliims: using women suicide bombers to blow up a train in Moscow. There are extremeist all over, not just with Christians in America. This group, in my opinion had a wrong interpretation of the Bible, and if they were found to be breaking laws, then the raid is justified. I just hope the authorities in America will go against the Muslim fanatics with as much vigor too.

Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment.

Dang, I must be reading my copy wrong.

Thomas W. Piatek, a truck driver from Whiting, Ind., told a federal judge he could not afford an attorney because he was “getting raped on property taxes.”

Despite him being psychotic I have to agree with him on that point. Property taxes in MI suck.

A great lot of allegations but no mention of how in the world those allegations came to be; a mole, phone tapping, mail tracing, railroading, what?

I have no doubt that these people are heavily armed nuts who think they are Christians, but that in itself is not a crime. I guess I should be happy they and their children did not get surprised attacked and burned alive like Branch Davidians. Interesting that the Oklahoma bombing is mentioned but not the government massacre that sparked it.

well they mentioned that an FBI agent had infiltrated their organization. so i assume that agent gathered information on the group. besides, the FBI has been following this group for years and its no surprise that if they planned to attack police officers in april...the government would feel responsible to take action now.

They will take the Bill Ayers route. Refashion themselves as 'educators,' take up 'progressive' politics.

All societies produce their own crop of nuts every so often. In the US it is varieties such as the Branch Dravidian, the Manson Family, etc. Here in Japan it was Matsumoto Chizuo and his goons, meanwhile India produces Cashews, I believe.

Hello, American Aum Shinrikyo.

That is one nutty plan they had, and the idea that their action would be some sort of catalyst for something bigger is what Aum thought too.

The timing of this raid is suspicious. The Obama administration wants to paint the Tea Party movement as one of dangerous extremists, instead of the legitimate protest movement that it is and now a raid is launched on some small group of losers in Michigan? Very convenient.

Well, we will learn if they were a threat or not over the next several weeks, but Holder and Napolitano have been pushing this supposed domestic terrorist threat since they got into office. And why not, they see white males as their enemy, not Muslim fanatics. A soldier returning from Iraq is more of a potential threat than a black guy from Kenya with no luggage, no passport and funny looking underwear in their eyes.

Meanwhile, there have been several "real" incidents of terrorism committed by Muslim terrorists that have flown under a very lazy radar under Obama's watch. The worst being the psycho-soldier Muslim in Texas who murdered over 30 soldiers in Texas late last year.

Is the United States deploying their anti-terrorism resources based upon liberal prejudices?

I for one am Thanksful they were attacked and burned alive....God only knows what they were capable of!

Surely that doesn't qualify as human rights abuse because it happened in the US.

Christian Patriots? I have read the new testiment, though I am not Christian, and I am pretty sure the section on guns and militias was missing. Or at the very least very well hidden in codes about being nice to each other and such.

As for triggering a broad uprising, hmmmmmm.... by whom? Had anyone actually consulted anyone else about an uprising?

Religion and nutjobs had historically been a bad mix. Some things indeed never change.

A soldier returning from Iraq is more of a potential threat than a black guy from Kenya with no luggage, no passport and funny looking underwear in their eyes

Surely anyone with funny looking underwear in their eyes would attract the attention of even the most jaded immigration officer?

Seriously though, I attended church schools up to the age of 17 and had Scripture lessons every week during that time, got good grades too so I'm pretty sure I understood most of what I was taught, but like tkoind2 I seem to have completely missed all the coded references to guns and militias and uprisings against the government. Completely taken in I was by all that 'Thou shalt not kill' 'Blessed are the meek' 'Turn the other cheek' 'Love thy neighbour' stuff.

Not to mention 'Give unto Caesar', which I think covers property taxes.

Maybe these so-called religious nutters should spend a bit more time reading their Bibles and a bit less time polishing their guns.

Seriously though, I attended church schools up to the age of 17 and had Scripture lessons every week during that time, got good grades too so I'm pretty sure I understood most of what I was taught, but like tkoind2 I seem to have completely missed all the coded references to guns and militias and uprisings against the government. Completely taken in I was by all that 'Thou shalt not kill' 'Blessed are the meek' 'Turn the other cheek' 'Love thy neighbour' stuff.

lol, good one cleo. Have to admit, I was suckered by that Peace and Love stuff too. Think I missed the property tax one though. Damn government always ripping me off!

Maybe these so-called religious nutters should spend a bit more time reading their Bibles and a bit less time polishing their guns.

As a Christian, all I can say is, Amen to that! Far as I'm concerned, everyone can feel free to be a religious nut, just don't think its ok to murder or assault others, if they disagree with your religion.

jpdrag0n said: well they mentioned that an FBI agent had infiltrated their organization.

Where? I just scanned tha article again and didn't see it.

too much religion in the West.

The problem is that religion, like a loaded gun, is dangerous in the hands of some people.

Hang em high.

Bebert61 wrote: Meanwhile, there have been several "real" incidents of terrorism committed by Muslim terrorists that have flown under a very lazy radar under Obama's watch. The worst being the psycho-soldier Muslim in Texas who murdered over 30 soldiers in Texas late last year.

I never thought I would see anyone so desperate that they felt they had to "remind" us that Muslims also commit terrorism! Blaming it all on Obama though, that was expected. The currect director of the FBI is Robert S. Mueller. It might make a little more sense to point him out, save for the fact that that would not be very partisan.

Its interesting the way you go from domestic terrorism to Islamic terrorism, as if they are totally separate, while bringing up the Fort Hood incident, which was both! I have heard that coffee in the morning helps.

And I don't know what to make of this "lazy radar" claim. Seems a little hyper-active to me. But yeah, they did fail to stop the guy in the commuter plane from hitting an IRS building. Was he Muslim? Or how about the Holocaust Memorial shooting dude?

So these people were arrested for what the FBI thinks they might be planning to do???

Wow! Imagine thousands of Christians suddenly doing this! How excruciatingly embarrassing.

Actually, they sound like a bunch of boys whose game has got a little too ridiculous and out of hand, but they are in too deep to back out. A self-perpetuating myth?

Under the "NObama" administration, if you have an assault weapon of any type, guilty of wrongdoing or NOT, beware...the FBI will take you down. USA is turning communistic very quickly.

jpdrag0n said: well they mentioned that an FBI agent had infiltrated their organization.

Where? I just scanned tha article again and didn't see it.

I Just read it on FOXNEWS.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29094479/Press-release-on-Hutaree-indictment

-charges of conspiracy are not the strongest. That is the main charge they are attaching gun charges to. -Seems like a weak case, -however if they averted a disaster from happening I am happy to have these people held.

too much religion in the West.

...and not enough religion in this wacko group. As has been already pointed out, if they'd actually read what they claimed to believe in, they wouldn't have done what they did. Perhaps it would be better to say too much right-wing conspiracies in the West.

Under the "NObama" administration, if you have an assault weapon of any type, guilty of wrongdoing or NOT, beware...the FBI will take you down. USA is turning communistic very quickly.

Umm... and what about the plot to kill a police office and plant bombs at the funeral. I have a strange feeling that it might have been that which caused the FBI to "take them down". Just another example of the over-the-top rhetoric that causes the gullible to create groups like the one arrested.

Are these people not to be seen as a reflection of the society that they come from, are we not to see them as being representative of all Americans? Perhaps we could reason that they are the product of a bad education system, parents that didn’t give them the time to teach them to be good people. We might add that weak government has failed over many, many years to amend the constitution a remove an out dated clause that allows for “the people” to carry guns. Perhaps we could go on to reason that American patriotism has been infected by a paranoia based on an historic fear of the British returning. Are these Christian nutters no more than the tip of the iceberg?

cleo at 03:41 PM JST - 30th March

“I attended church schools up to the age of 17 and had Scripture lessons every week”

“I seem to have completely missed all the coded references to guns and militias and uprisings against the government.”

Yes but wasn’t that the Derbyshire version of the scriptures?

donkusai said: As has been already pointed out, if they'd actually read what they claimed to believe in, they wouldn't have done what they did.

Careful, they didn't actually physically do anything. But, as ever, the trouble is not the religion. The trouble is people who misinterpret the religion whether intentionally or accidentally, because they have some motive, such as violence or power. Communism was also hijacked by such people, because it was Stalin and Castro who truimphed, not Che and not Trotsky. I also feel that religion is treated unfairly when it is a minority of people who are this suspect.

The trouble is people who misinterpret the religion whether intentionally or accidentally,

Sure that is one problem.

The other problem is when members of a religion refuse to take a stand against the evil that is done in the name of their religion.

Guns and Ammo, Guns and Ammo; Go together like crazy guys and Camo; This I tell you brother, you can't have one without the other...

I am betting that there are plenty more like these all over the place. If you watch Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore interviews some militia people from Michigan. Tim McVeigh was from that area. One of the Columbine killers spent time there too.

Cleo: I was just talking today with someone about the topic of how Christian standards of belief have changed. I also spent a lot of time in the study of the old and new testaments. Younger people rarely know their scripture except for the gospels anymore. They freely state that the Bible is the literal word of God, but I tell you, you don't have faith sufficient to say that if you have not been through Leviticus. Anyway, I guess my point is that this group calling themselves "Christian" despite their violence and other sinning does not surprise me at all. I do not want to give Dave Koresh and the Branch Davidians a compliment or anything, but most of them knew their scripture at least.

The religion here is just the lubricant, I guess, kind of like Al Qaeda. The supreme being provides a ready motive and justification that makes killing more important than preserving society.

The killing part was made easy for them by the NRA. I have been railing against guns in the US for months. What can I say but I told you so? Too many guns. Too many whackos. Too many bullets. Let us spray.

This is excellent Cleo.

"Not to mention 'Give unto Caesar', which I think covers property taxes"

It covers a lot more than that. I learned it as RENDER unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Meaning that not only does Caesar have a claim to your goods, but to your person too. Everything but your faith. And I would bet that this part of the scripture is conveniently forgotten by every Christian baptized since 1980... the Reagan era. This one little phrase, which is in both Luke and Mark, is "overlooked" by Molenir despite the fact that both are synoptic gospels, and it is crucial to what Jesus preached.

A Christian separates faith from worldly things. Being a good citizen can rightfully and legitimately be separated from being a good Christian. Paying taxes is not evil. Anyway, these militia people were ready to violate a lot of old testament principles too, but I do find it interesting that you bring this up. In the time of Caesar, Christians did not defend their faith with guns. Why do people feel it is necessary now?

tkoind2

I find it interesting that you read the new testament and cannot find a story of a nutjob who wanted to foment a broad, revolutionary uprising. One of my favorite stories is this one guy who loses it at a temple and starts throwing money and tables around. His friends were pretty shocked. He started calling himself the king of the Jews and I hear they killed him for it. He didn't even try to resist or run away. It was weird. I forget exactly where the story is, but I think it has something to do with Easter.

So Christianity, interpreted in some ways, should stir something in all of us. Impatience with hypocrisy is a very Jesus-like trait. So is love.

Some real theologians here. LOL

Just had a look at the Hutaree website - very hard on the eyes, with a jazzy camouflage background doing a pretty good job of camouflaging the words.

This page is not written by anyone with much more than a junior high education. The writing is atrocious, the spelling grating and the logic non-existent. They seem to base their whole doctrine on Luke 22:35-37, in which Jesus, just before he is taken, says "he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one". They apparently interpret that to mean stocking a huge arsenal of combat weapons. They seem to ignore the bit about Jesus also saying all those who live by the sword will perish by the sword (Matthew 26:52). Nutters.

SpeedRacer seems to have not been paying full attention during his Scripture lessons. Jesus did go and lose his cool in the temple; but his friends, far from being pretty shocked, nodded their heads and reminded each other that he was doing just what was prophesied. (John 2:17) And he never called himself King of the Jews.(Matthew 27:11)

Impatience with hypocrisy is a very Jesus-like trait. So is love.

Yup. And neither is very much in evidence on the Hutaree website. If it wasn't so creepy it would be sad.

Newsflash for SenatorAcorn - There are millions of Republicans in Michigan.

It doesn't seem very Christian to me and it's definitely un-American.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/

I find it kind of hard to see a militia that had been working for the Police is now against the Police. -Where did this relationship go wrong?

Seditious Conspiracy is the charge they are facing. Sounds like a good new name for the mad teabaggers.

There're always some crazy people who misuse and twist the God's words into their own militant ideologies-- just like Islamofacists. Simply, pathetic and disgusting.Justice is the only savior for them.

This is a mainstream media wet dream! Finally, they can latch on to a religious nut group of a religion that they can and will lambast at will.

Never mind that actually nothing happened and it is all speculation. Forget about real-life suicide bombings -- its open season on Christian nuts now.

Speedracer - This one little phrase, which is in both Luke and Mark, is "overlooked" by Molenir despite the fact that both are synoptic gospels, and it is crucial to what Jesus preached.

Please don't try to instruct me on my religion, or on what I believe. Thank you.

Molenir, your bible is a best-seller. It was the your bible speed was educating you on, not your religion and not your beliefs. If he read your bible wrong, tell him.

guest said: The other problem is when members of a religion refuse to take a stand against the evil that is done in the name of their religion.

Possibly. But another problem is that if and when they do, they don't get much press. Maybe the real problem is people not looking hard enough for those who do take a stand. I have not been in a church in years. I have been in a mosque never. And I don't speak or read Arabic.

On Friday, the chairman of the 30-million strong Muhammadiyah Muslim organization in Indonesia labeled the Taliban’s action as “in violation of Islamic principles and teaching,”

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070804/hostage-families-visit-mosque-to-plead-for-help/index.html

The Bible is the best seller and may God speed you in whatever direction you are going. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

Quotations from Chairman Mao and The Qur’ān are fighting for #2.

These guys have as much to do with christianity as the islomofacist have to do with islam. Oh wait bad example....

But seriously these guys need there buts kicked. If not for planning to kill a cop then atleast for putting out a video of them running threw a creek....seriously just stupid.

Molenir: they need your taxes for "crusades" and health care.

This is a media wet dream. Finally, they found some Christian nutcases that they can latch a terrorist label on.

Expect no-holds-barred coverage of this, and no silk gloves like when they report about islamic terrorists. (Never mind that these guys did actually nothing more than spout a lot of nonsense.)