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U.S. cities, police unions clash as vaccine mandates take effect

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Burning Bush

Police and Fire guys are often the best and brightest, and their take their health and fitness extremely seriously.

Obviously not. Police vaccination rates are low compared to the population. That shows a certain anti-science attitude.

I thought the police motto was "To protect and serve". You can't protect citizens from covid infection if you aren't vaccinated, it's that simple.

These honorable men and women will not back down.

So fire them.

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The rights of the individual versus the needs of the community.

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America is breaking if not already irrevocably broken. The Left’s use of scare tactics and aggressive activism to fundamentally change American is causing the police to step back, pilots to call in sick, female workers to drop out of the workforce, voters to question the electoral system, parents to fight against their local school boards, and police to retire early or move from Leftist cities to suburban and rural communities that respect their work.

The vast majority of the public is immunized. Everyone eligible that wants to be vaccinated has been. If you have been immunized you have a minuscule chance of having a serious outcome if infected by covid. But Democrats will use the pandemic to punish those they consider their political enemies. Because they don’t want you to make decisions for yourself- they want to take control of your body and your agency.

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These honorable men and women will not back down.

Then they’ll be seeking further employment elsewhere. Their choice.

But Democrats will use the pandemic to punish those they consider their political enemies. Because they don’t want you to make decisions for yourself- they want to take control of your body and your agency.

Hysteria.

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Wolfpack, looks like you’ve got lots of “friends” supporting your theories this morning.

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Wolfpack

But Democrats will use the pandemic to punish those they consider their political enemies. Because they don’t want you to make decisions for yourself- they want to take control of your body and your agency.

I haven't heard a single Democrat that wants to force vaccine anybody. This is not about taking control of your body and your agency (unlike some Texan republicans).

But if the police want to serve their community, then let them do that and get vaccinated.

It's not only about protecting others, but protecting themselves. More than four times as many officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire in 2020 - 2021.

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This is going to bury the Democrats. The fallout of this will have the worst repercussions on this President and his party. To fire thousands and thousands of cops, special forces ops, fire fighters, healthcare workers, flight attendants and pilots, factory workers. People that have committed no crime other than not willing to bow down to the orders of this administration and their vaccine mandates (which is their constitutional right) they will now impede and impact the lives and operations of everyday Americans, they will not be able to re-train or replace these people in their occupations, the aftermath of this will reverberate for years to come. The Democrats are now poised to not only lose the House, but Senate, gubernatorial and mayoral races as well in most cases and at the rate Biden is hemorrhaging independents, the Presidency itself is also at stake for the Democrats.

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This is going to bury the Democrats

ROFL, we’ve heard this on loop and yet…..

You know who are in favor of vaccine mandates, the general public. They apparently care and know more than a few misguided idiots!!!

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The reason for the former guy’s crushing defeat in the last elections was his criminal incompetence on COVID and looks like the extremists in the right wing continue with their idiocy.

The GOP is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day, a bunch of backward minded, out of touch dinosaurs!!!

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bass4funk

This is going to bury the Democrats. The fallout of this will have the worst repercussions on this President and his party. 

You do realise that the majority of Americans are vaccinated and believe in vaccine mandates.

To fire thousands and thousands of cops, special forces ops, fire fighters, healthcare workers, flight attendants and pilots, factory workers. 

Actually, very, very few. The thing is that since the mandates have been announced, people in these industries have been getting vaccinated rather than lose their job. The additional side-effect is that it is saving lives.

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Yeah, America wants their Donald Trump COVID press conferences back.

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A lot of anti-government sentiment within government employees who are paid by the people to protect them. They need to be replaced with people who follow government mandates and protect the people that they are working for...

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Police and other public servants are submitted to mandatory drug testing and will be fired if refuse or fail. That’s part of the job description. This is no different. Like it or lump it.

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The Democrats are now poised to not only lose the House, but Senate, gubernatorial and mayoral races as well in most cases and at the rate Biden is hemorrhaging independents, the Presidency itself is also at stake for the Democrats.

How many ‘poised to…’ events have you correctly predicted so far?

I’ll ‘follow history as a marking indicator’ on that.

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One thing that needs to be acknowledged is that these protests put to rest the common leftist shibboleth that people who don't want vaccine mandates are idiots, troglodytes, Luddites, and clowns. It IS possible to be pro vaccine and yet anti mandate.

What does it matter if a non vaxxed police officer interacts with a vaxxed public? This is becoming an exercise in social control more than public health.

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ROFL, we’ve heard this on loop and yet…..

At this point This administration is not only demonizing conservatives, they’re demonizing ALL Americans. Not everyone that refuses this mandate is a conservative and Dems are shooting themselves in the foot big time with this

You know who are in favor of vaccine mandates, the general public.

If that were true, then millions of government and corporate employed workers wouldn’t be protesting this move.

They apparently care and know more than a few misguided idiots!!!

They know and care what they feel should go into their bodies.

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How many ‘poised to…’ events have you correctly predicted so far? 

Even Pelosi Predicts they will lose the House, listen to her, she’s for once right on this issue.

I’ll ‘follow history as a marking indicator’ on that.

Like 2011 and 2014? God, I hope so….

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They are paid by the public purse and the majority of the people want front-line workers fully vaccinated. Just like what's happening with the military.

Airline passengers are demanding the flight crew are fully vaccinated. Many countries are requesting travelers to be fully vaccinated.

They know and care what they feel should go into their bodies.

Many cops are overweight, obese, heavy drinkers, eat bad diets. Sure they care?

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They are paid by the public purse and the majority of the people want front-line workers fully vaccinated. Just like what's happening with the military.

And? There are dozens of reasons why some don’t want or can’t take the vaccine.

Airline passengers are demanding the flight crew are fully vaccinated.

Many more don’t and that’s why many are walking, especially the pilots

Many countries are requesting travelers to be fully vaccinated.

I care only about what’s going on in my country.

Many cops are overweight, obese, heavy drinkers, eat bad diets. Sure they care?

And?

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Let’s see how strident they are when they start losing their pensions.

Like teachers and healthcare workers, it really does call into question their cognitive and decision making abilities to an extent that one might reasonably ask “Do we really want to give this guy a gun?”

In the end, this is most likely to be a wet fart in a hurricane as we have come to see that vaccine mandates work.

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For all the chest beating, as mentioned, they’ll choose the pension. Guaranteed those protesting the loudest are already vaccinated anyway. It’s schoolyard.

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bass4funk

They are paid by the public purse and the majority of the people want front-line workers fully vaccinated. Just like what's happening with the military.

And? There are dozens of reasons why some don’t want or can’t take the vaccine.

If they have had covid or a valid health problem they are not required to be vaccinated.

Airline passengers are demanding the flight crew are fully vaccinated. 

Many more don’t and that’s why many are walking, especially the pilots

Then let them find new jobs. There are more pilots than planes.

Many countries are requesting travelers to be fully vaccinated.

I care only about what’s going on in my country.

Even your country is requiring travellers to be fully vaccinated. Americans need to travel to many other countries for business and pleasure.

Many cops are overweight, obese, heavy drinkers, eat bad diets. Sure they care?

And?

Then they don't care about what they put in their bodies, which you claimed.

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bass4funk

You know who are in favor of vaccine mandates, the general public.

If that were true, then millions of government and corporate employed workers wouldn’t be protesting this move.

Correct! And that's because millions of government and corporate employed workers aren't protesting this move.

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Let’s see how strident they are when they start losing their pensions. 

Yeah, and the government will also see when there are fewer police, care workers, pilots, etc working, good luck replacing them, especially the most experienced ones.

Like teachers and healthcare workers, it really does call into question their cognitive and decision making abilities to an extent that one might reasonably ask “Do we really want to give this guy a gun?” 

?

In the end, this is most likely to be a wet fart in a hurricane as we have come to see that vaccine mandates work.

We shall see next week if the fascist rules of this regime will have proved their point or whether the people have proved their point that the government doesn't have the right to tell people what they should put in their bodies.

And that's because millions of government and corporate employed workers aren't protesting this move.

Oh, yes they are.

https://www.wunc.org/2021-10-14/airline-pilots-push-back-on-vaccine-mandates

And this is just the beginning and good on them.

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Police and other public servants are submitted to mandatory drug testing and will be fired if refuse or fail. That’s part of the job description. This is no different. Like it or lump it.

Well to be fair, most didn’t start their employment knowing their would be a pandemic and that they would be required to take a vaccine that is brand new. Many very intelligent people, including RFK Jr, have their reasons for opposing vaccination mandates. I personally think people should do get the shot - but that’s my choice. Cops are not in the military. Those in the military sign away some of their Constitutional rights when they sign up. The police and other first responders do not. Cities that choose to pursue mass layoffs to their police, firemen, and medical staffs will just have to accept the increase in crime, fire damage, and lack of medical care as a result.

I think this is more than just about the covid pandemic. It’s about the authoritarianism coming at the people from all directions - not just the conflicting messages from Fauci about covid. Speech is being throttled by Big Tech. The post-Civil Rights belief in a color blind or neutral society has been upended by corporations and governments at all levels around the country. The attempt to use Russia sourced information by Hillary to justify a politicized use of Federal law enforcement to boost her election campaign. The belief that America is somehow uniquely racist and no longer worth respect. The acceptance of crime whether it be at the border, or riots, or the failure to prosecute petty crimes in many big cities. It’s all of a piece that’s caused a backlash. People are dropping out of the anti-Americanism of it all. It all has the feel of a Maoist Cultural Revolution- and we all know how that turned out.

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The rebellion is growing...

And its within groups where the authoritarians least want it to happen: police, military and health workers.

This won't end well for the authoritarians. It'll get harder to suppress rebellions when your foot soldiers won't enforce your orders.

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If they have had covid or a valid health problem they are not required to be vaccinated.

We keep hearing that but in reality something totally different....

Then let them find new jobs. There are more pilots than planes.

I see, so we should just replace them with some illegal that just waltz into the country. Replace a veteran pilot with 30 years' experience? Yeah, that'll work out well or we can maybe train veteran cops in 6 weeks or firefighters or even doctors how to do a kidney transplant in a month, you don't know what you're talking about. The ramifications are so dire, Biden completely screwed up on this one out of the many that continue to stack up.

Even your country is requiring travellers to be fully vaccinated. Americans need to travel to many other countries for business and pleasure.

That has nothing to do with the workers that many are refusing to let the government tell them what they should inject into their bodies, the vaccine is not for everyone and I don't blame them for resisting.

Then they don't care about what they put in their bodies, which you claimed.

You are going off-topic, that has nothing to do with the vaccine, please focus.

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bass4funk

And that's because millions of government and corporate employed workers aren't protesting this move.

Oh, yes they are.

https://www.wunc.org/2021-10-14/airline-pilots-push-back-on-vaccine-mandates

And this is just the beginning and good on them.

So let's look at this. United Airlines is in the process of terminating just 232 employees that haven’t received the COVID-19 vaccine.

CEO Scott Kirby said that 99.7% of United’s 67,000 US employees have been vaccinated.

Is that's what you call millions protesting? Mathematics not really your strong suit.

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More than 460 law enforcement officers have died from the virus, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page, which tracks deaths in the line of duty.

Loss of manpower, training new recruits.

bass4funk

If they have had covid or a valid health problem they are not required to be vaccinated.

We keep hearing that but in reality something totally different....

No correct. Some officers have applied for exemptions. What about your family police members, where do they stand?

Then let them find new jobs. There are more pilots than planes.

I see, so we should just replace them with some illegal that just waltz into the country. Replace a veteran pilot with 30 years' experience? Yeah, that'll work out well or we can maybe train veteran cops in 6 weeks or firefighters or even doctors how to do a kidney transplant in a month, you don't know what you're talking about. The ramifications are so dire, Biden completely screwed up on this one out of the many that continue to stack up.

Many pilots left the industry over the covid. The majority of the aircrews are accepting the vaccination requirements. You post misinformation too much.

Even your country is requiring travellers to be fully vaccinated. Americans need to travel to many other countries for business and pleasure.

That has nothing to do with the workers that many are refusing to let the government tell them what they should inject into their bodies, the vaccine is not for everyone and I don't blame them for resisting.

The majority of Americans are already fully vaccinated. More than 70%.

Then they don't care about what they put in their bodies, which you claimed.

You are going off-topic, that has nothing to do with the vaccine, please focus.

You introduce the topic of the officers caring about what they put into their bodies. You need to focus.

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How odd as the virus has killed more law enforcement in the last year that any other cause.

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2020hindsightsToday  07:39 am JST

Burning Bush

Police and Fire guys are often the best and brightest, and their take their health and fitness extremely seriously.

Obviously not. Police vaccination rates are low compared to the population. That shows a certain anti-science attitude.

I thought the police motto was "To protect and serve". You can't protect citizens from covid infection if you aren't vaccinated, it's that simple.

These honorable men and women will not back down.

So fire them.

This is no time for superstitions. Police and fire personnel know that you can't serve and protect the public if you can't vaxxed yourself. What if you arrest a suspect or rescue people who ain't vaccinated? Then you're in danger and a danger to others. it's a matter of common sence. If these 'public servants' won't live up to that status then give them the boot!

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*More than 460 law enforcement officers have died from the virus, *

That has nothing to do with more and more officers resisting the mandate! What is it that you don’t get? Even the police chief of the largest city in the nation LA is not going to push his staff to take the shot. Not going to happens

No correct. Some officers have applied for exemptions.

Many

What about your family police members, where do they stand?

Of course they are against forced mandates, they’re so ticked off by this President.

Many pilots left the industry over the covid. The majority of the aircrews are accepting the vaccination requirements.

Many more are leaving and that’s going to create a huge problem for the airline industry.

You post misinformation too much.

No, the msm is posting too much misinformation, it helps to read the other side.

You introduce the topic of the officers caring about what they put into their bodies. You need to focus.

Like a laser and that’s why this administration is destroying the DNC as we know it. I’m fine with it, but they don’t see it.

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bass4funk

More than **460 law enforcement officers have died from the virus,** 

That has nothing to do with more and more officers resisting the mandate! What is it that you don’t get? Even the police chief of the largest city in the nation LA is not going to push his staff to take the shot. Not going to happens

But it does have a lot to do with it. Shows officers have died from covid. Officers unvaccinated arrest someone with covid and then takes them back to the station. Mass infections could happen.

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This is no time for superstitions. Police and fire personnel know that you can't serve and protect the public if you can't vaxxed yourself.

Who are you to say what’s good for these people? Do you know their medical history?

*What if you arrest a suspect or rescue people who ain't vaccinated? Thenyou're in danger and a danger to others.*

Maybe, but we can’t control what criminals do, but for law-abiding people who are we to say, this is good for you? No one but a licensed care physician can make that claim

it's a matter of common sence. *

And this is why more and more people are resisting this mandate.

*If these 'public servants' won't live up to that status then *give them the boot!

Ok and like Chicago and in Minneapolis where the Crime is surging because of defunding the police, how’s that going? And now they’re going to push even more people out, that’s going to help with the crime, that’s going to help bring down the numbers of homicide and robbery and theft?

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The current regime finds it more important to enforce compliance with dictatorial medical mandate than to keep society functioning. So sad to see.

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bass4funk

you will be pleased to know in Japan, officers and airline crews are getting their vaccinations.

I am not talking about Japan. Japan can do what it wants, I am an American and I care only what is happening in my country when it comes to the basic laws and rights pertaining to freedom.

You are also an American living with his Japanese family for the majority of the time here in Japan. Participating daily in society, contributing to the taxes, and paying health insurance fr yourself and your family. Children getting their educations and making friends with other Japanese.

Receiving Japanese healthcare when you became infected with covid.

You are an integrated unit. What happens here is vital to you. You even grow your own spuds. You own two houses. Deep-rooted.

You and your family are members of Japanese society as long as you remain here.

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its just a race to threaten and force as many people as possible to get vaccinated without the release of an actual published mandate. that will soon be the subjects of as many lawsuits as there are many groups against it.

mandate by press conference and press release is what we have now.

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Zaphod

The current regime finds it more important to enforce compliance with dictatorial medical mandate than to keep society functioning. So sad to see.

Yeah. The current regime want to keep society safe. A police officer may approach you, you have no choice to not allow them to approach you. If they have covid because they weren't vaccinated, then they are risking your life.

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What ever happened to the idea of people making their own risk assessment, based on their personal situation? There are no 100% safe solutions, which is what so many seem to want.

I keep hearing the spectre of a "super spreader" event happening because of a single unvaxxed pilot or cop, yet it never seems to happen. I flew international in the spring, when vaccines weren't an option. No problem, airplanes are extremely safe places with ventilation and sanitation in place.

And IF an unvaxxed person does somehow infect a vaxxed one, so what? The vaccine provides virtual immunity from death or serious illness. It is like catching a cold from someone. So again, once you are vaxxed yourself, why do you care about what others do? You are safe. Just like everyone else who is innoculated.

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 If they have covid because they weren't vaccinated, then they are risking your life.

yet if they have COVID and were vaccinated, that’s ok?

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Blacklabel

 If they have covid because they weren't vaccinated, then they are risking your life.

yet if they have COVID and were vaccinated, that’s ok?

Yes. But only if they don't know they have covid. If they have symptoms then they should not come to work.

They took the steps to lower the risk and indeed the risk is a lot lower of contracting the disease if you are vaccinated.

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I keep hearing the spectre of a "super spreader" event happening 

We have had two months of multiple 100,000 people college football games. Nothing “super spreader”has happened.

yet that one cop or one military person is going to infect “everyone”.

Will even infect vaccinated people, who are supposedly protected. Who even if they do get infected supposedly don’t have to go to hospital and won’t die. what are vaccinated people worried about?

Worst case you get a little sick, like a cold, right? You are vaccinated, act like it.

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Attilathehungry

What ever happened to the idea of people making their own risk assessment, based on their personal situation?

That's a terrible idea. People are generally hopeless at making risk assessments. That's why they need health officials to make it for them.

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They took the steps to lower the risk and indeed the risk is a lot lower of contracting the disease if you are vaccinated.

doesnr make me feel any better about someone giving me COVID. Do you really consider the vaccination status first of the person who gave it to you?

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Blacklabel

They took the steps to lower the risk and indeed the risk is a lot lower of contracting the disease if you are vaccinated.

doesnr make me feel any better about someone giving me COVID. Do you really consider the vaccination status first of the person who gave it to you?

Yes. Totally. If they got vaccinated they took the steps to lower the risk.

Anything else is pure negligence.

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