Climate change pushes New Zealand to warmest recorded winter

Maybe that can balance out the coolest summer for 128 years in Hokkaido.

“If we don't get on top of warming soon, there is going to be grief for large sections of the world," Renwick said.

That is putting it mildly. Quite possibly the understatement of the century. Because we ain't seen nothin' yet. The scale of the catastrophe will be the stuff of nightmares.

I hope I'm wrong, but if we don't bring every resource to bear on this problem, immediately, even that might be an understatement.

Dave

Yes, extreme climate change has always been and always will be, Look back through history

The difference now is that it is man-made, ue to the CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere. we need to move to clean energy.

so what is the negative impact to humans of 0.2 Celcius higer temperature?

0.2C higher

The difference now is that it is man-made, ue to the CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere. we need to move to clean energy.

Not.

he said there were now good government policies in place, including a pledge

Serious?

A pledge is “good policy”?

Was a too harsh?

It IS a pledge that something will be done by 2050, by someone. Seems all is well.

so what is the negative impact to humans of 0.2 Celcius higer temperature?

Well, lets begin by reading the sentence in full instead of just selectively mentioning one part of it, which is probably a better way of understanding the problem:

That's 1.3C above the long-term average and 0.2C higher than the previous record posted last year.

So its actually 1.3C right now, not 0.2C. The 0.2C is a year on year rate of increase. Since you've focused on the significance of that 0.2C, lets look at it. If that rate persists, which I don't think is likely, but if it did that would mean that within just a decade the world would be 2 degrees warmer than it is now, and by 2050 it would be a full 6 degrees warmer. That would be enough to make large swaths of the Earth uninhabitable for humans, would destroy our current agricultural systems and wreak all sorts of other havoc.

Fortunately the current projections do NOT support that rate of heating continuing, so the 0.2 degrees is likely just a localized one time fluctuation.

The 1.3C is the more important number since its how much the temperature has actually changed, which I guess is why you chose to ignore it.

To actually dial down the carbon fast enough to avoid catastrophe, how much worse than coronavirus lockdowns will necessary restrictions be? I want to hear the bad news.

BlacklabelToday 02:38 pm JST

so what is the negative impact to humans of 0.2 Celcius higer temperature?

The figure you quote was how much warmer this winter's average temperature was compared to the previous record temperature (which was incidentally last winter). This winter was 1.3 degrees warmer than the long-term average. In answer to your question, increasing temeperatures may increase the range of diseases such as malaria. But rising temperatures have a number of negative effects in the climate (e.g., increasing catastrophic weather events), ecosystems (changing ranges of different species), and loss of land due (or increasing costs of remediation to encroachment) to things such as encroachment from the sea. But google is your friend...

To actually dial down the carbon fast enough to avoid catastrophe, how much worse than coronavirus lockdowns will necessary restrictions be? I want to hear the bad news.

I'm more concerned about how much worse than coronavirus lockdowns the catastrophe will be if we don't dial down the carbon fast enough.

@Helix

The difference now is that it is man-made, ue to the CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere. we need to move to clean energy.

Not.

Science has plenty of proof of this. Your proof is Tiktok and Trump.

but not at only 0.2 up from last year.

 rising temperatures have a number of negative effects in the climate

but not at only 0.2 up from last year.

What kind of long-term or annual rise would concern you? Allow me to answer for you; none. You'll just keep retrenching your increasingly mistaken position to fit the political bog you've dug for yourself.

most of the documents I read on Google (as recommended) start discussing the issues that are created between 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius.

I see nothing negative specifically mentioned at just a 0.2 Celcius increase.

"How common is malaria in New Zealand?

In New Zealand the only risk is to persons travelling to tropical and subtropical countries where malaria is a problem. Less than 50 cases of malaria are reported each year by returning travellers."

In answer to your question, increasing temeperatures may increase the range of diseases such as malaria.

1970 and 1971 were the last years that there were back to back "warmest winters" on record.

did anything "bad" happen from 1972? are we all dead because it just kept getting warmer and warmer?

No, it was not until 1985 that it was even warmer than average again.

To actually dial down the carbon fast enough to avoid catastrophe, how much worse than coronavirus lockdowns will necessary restrictions be? I want to hear the bad news.

No answers fro the “science” brigade here.

To actually dial down the carbon fast enough to avoid catastrophe, how much worse than coronavirus lockdowns will necessary restrictions be? I want to hear the bad news.

No answers fro the “science” brigade here.

And what is the anti-science brigade’s answer then?

most of the documents I read on Google (as recommended) start discussing the issues that are created between 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius.

I see nothing negative specifically mentioned at just a 0.2 Celcius increase.

0.2 C by itself, not so much. But if it's part of a trend --that is, say temps increasing 0.2 C every year-- then those 0.2 C increases will eventually add up to 1.5-2 C over the years

That's why watch the trend. If "warmest on record" constantly and continually gets broken, then Houston we have a problem

That's 1.3C above the long-term average and 0.2C higher than the previous record posted last year. Scientists have been keeping records since 1909, but most of the warmest winters have been recent.

It's a load of rubbish. I am from the West Coast of the South Island of NZ and very close to the Fox and Franz Josef Glacier where I know all the locals. How is it then that the Glaciers are growing when it's supposedly getting warmer. All the tree huggers need to keep paying taxes top the government because according to them if you pay money to them they can change the climate! How also is it that 3000 years ago the Earth got warmer? Must be due the the Neanderthal's Industrial Factories huh? I will never buy into this rubbish.

sure, but no one is watching the current "trend" as it hasnt happened yet. and its also not 1.5 to 2 Celcius up yet in total even over all this time.

Thats why I showed last time the trend was new record high 2 times in a row in the early 1970s, it didnt go up again for 13 years straight.

It's a load of rubbish. I am from the West Coast of the South Island of NZ and very close to the Fox and Franz Josef Glacier where I know all the locals. How is it then that the Glaciers are growing when it's supposedly getting warmer. 

30 seconds on Google says:

Over the past 14,000 years glaciers worldwide have generally retreated. Most of New Zealand's large glaciers shrank significantly towards the end of the 20th century, a consequence of global warming. However in the Southern Alps warmer temperatures cause increased precipitation on the western face of the Main Divide, and Franz Josef glacier being short and steep is more sensitive to increased snow in the névé than other glaciers. If the increased precipitation falls as snow, the glacier will advance; if as rain, it will retreat. Increased snowfall takes around 5–6 years to result in changes in the terminus location.

Hope that clarifies things.

Don't treeabsorb carbon dioxide to live? Please save the trees sndcrrivr your car more

It's a load of rubbish. I am from the West Coast of the South Island of NZ and very close to the Fox and Franz Josef Glacier where I know all the locals. How is it then that the Glaciers are growing when it's supposedly getting warmer.

You clearly aren't from there or know any of the locals. Both glaciers are retreating at such a pace that the customer car parks have signs indicating that they were under the glacier a few years previously.

Alongfortheride

It's a load of rubbish. I am from the West Coast of the South Island of NZ and very close to the Fox and Franz Josef Glacier where I know all the locals. How is it then that the Glaciers are growing when it's supposedly getting warmer.

They aren't. I remember visiting them when I was young, and they have retreated way back since then. You can see old photos of the glaciers and see how much they have receded.

That's some major confirmation bias you got going on there.