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Clinton blames misogyny, FBI, Russia, herself for 2016 loss

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I watched her remarks from start to finish, I literally JUST watched her take responsibility for her loss. And yes, as she referenced what we ALL WATCHED which was that she was on track to win until the Comey letter. It's really easy to look this stuff up. But for most of the speech, I watched an intelligent, compassionate, competent human being speak of how women's issues are tied to areas of strife and how we need to address this, globally, if we want to combat terrorism. I listened to her talk about diplomacy, strategic thinking and job creation in the new age of robotics. I watched her speak of the immense responsibilities of holding public office and of a life of service. This article makes me sad. I guess we got what we deserved.

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"But I was on the way to winning until a combination of (FBI Director) Jim Comey's letter on Oct. 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off."

Yeah, that's some impressive responsibility-taking right there. A horrible candidate that was gifted the nomination by a horribly corrupt party. Only the rankest partisans and bubble-dwelling fools thought otherwise. Beaten by a virtual nobody in 2008 and a developmentally disabled grifter in 2016. She lost b/c she's been front and center in US politics for a 1/4 century, hugely polarizing and disliked all the while. Being the "better" half of another for-profit corporate Dem didn't help matters. The mood of the country, obvious to anyone beyond the Potomac, was for populism, something outside the status quo. The Clintons with all their millions, were anything but that. Good riddance.

Note: I say this as registered, loyal Dem voter since 1988.

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There's a new catchphrase in Washington.

Russia did it.

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I'm still glad she lost. The latest from Ted Rall sums up HRC nicely:

Page after page reinforces the conclusion that this is a woman who does not, cannot, does not want to learn from her mistakes.

When you think about her policy history, this rings true. After all, she voted to overthrow the secular socialist dictator of Iraq in 2003, lost the presidency in 2008 because of that vote, yet then as secretary of state advised Obama to arm and fund the radical jihadis against the secular socialist dictators of Libya and Syria. About which — despite creating two failed states — she has no regrets. There’s really no other way to put this, so I’ll just say it: this makes her an idiot.

She didn’t have the right personality to lead human beings. She didn’t deserve to be president. America, and the world, are better off without her.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/02/despite-everything-i-am-happy-hillary-lost/

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Russia did it.

That's giving Russia a bit too much credit. That Russians were involved is pretty hard to dispute, however. What Trump's relationship is to Russia is yet to be determined.

http://www.theskimm.com/skimm-guides/russia-investigation-timeline?utm_source=email&utm_medium=site_share&utm_campaign=russia

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For all her issues, if 100 days of Trump has proven anything, it's that she was the superior candidate. Trump is an absolute failure.

She's definitely no Obama or Sanders though.

It's all a matter of perspective.

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questionable decisions by the FBI also influenced the outcome.

Yeah, questionable decisions by the FBI are the only reason why she is not in jail.

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That's giving Russia a bit too much credit. 

Finally agree with you.

Please tell that to the Democrats.

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"If the election were on Oct. 27, I would be your president," Clinton said.

And if the election had been held in July, Bernie Sanders might be president.

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Oh go away already you vile woman!!

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So, what do you get when you take a thousand word speech that blames everyone and everything but you, and add the four words 'It was my fault' to it?

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Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that she's taking responsibility for her 2016 election loss but believes misogyny, Russian interference and questionable decisions by the FBI also influenced the outcome.

The amount of fake news circulated by the Right and Russia was pretty staggering. She had secret bank accounts, she was close to death, she ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop (still amazed that 50%+ of Trump supporters believed that), she had numerous people killed, etc. And now that she lost the GOP base went from LOCK HER UP to forgetting she even exists, which is to say they probably had a clue they were spreading disinformation but didn't care.

But I don't agree that she's making the right choice by talking about these things. People just aren't going to want to hear it from her.

And while I don't disagree with the analysis, there's something bigger that was in play here, something that can't really be quantified. Trump voters still support Trump in massive numbers, despite knowing now that his policies aren't for them and he's walked back most of his platform after being elected. I think his voters felt like they had had sand kicked in their face for the last 8 years, and they just wanted someone to get up on stage and punch back, even if he's incompetent at things like foreign policy and economics.

And that's what they got, so in that sense, their candidate has delivered.

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Has anyone disputed what was revealed in the leaked emails? If we are to believe that Hillary lost because the American people were made aware of the inner workings of the Democratic Party as they related to the campaign, then it would appear that the American electorate didn't like what they saw. Regardless of the source, if the conclusions drawn from the content of the leaked emails are accurate then it is the information that sunk her campaign. If these damaging facts are true, it doesn't matter where the information came from.

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Has anyone disputed what was revealed in the leaked emails? If we are to believe that Hillary lost because the American people were made aware of the inner workings of the Democratic Party as they related to the campaign, then it would appear that the American electorate didn't like what they saw.

Kind of. However, there are two issues with what you say:

1) Even with the emails, she was well ahead in the polls until Comey revealed the second investigation, almost immediately before the election, which didn't go anywhere but still hurt her hard in the polls.

2) Only the emails of one party were released. If you think that a similar release of Republican emails wouldn't have been similarly damaging, you're kidding yourself - politicians are politicians no matter what party. So the emails of only one side creates a particularly unbalanced playing field.

And finally, you say the American electorate wasn't happy with what they saw, but I'll remind you, Trump wasn't the choice of the American electorate. She was - even after the emails. Trump was the choice of the electoral college. The people didn't want him as a president then, and seeing as he has less support from the American people than Nixon did during Watergate, the people don't want him now either.

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1) Comey's letter to Congress was sent to apprise that body that new information had come to light that could possibly affect an ongoing investigation. There was no second investigation. But that is moot, because the FBI investigation Comey was talking about was into her use of a private email server not about the leaked emails of the Democratic National Committee.

2) That doesn't change the content of the emails that were leaked. Assuming that there was all kinds of dirt to be found in Republican emails, it still wouldn't negate what was revealed in what we saw on the DNC side.

The electoral college is a mechanism to prevent regional candidates from dominating national politics. Look at a map of the US that shows the election results by county. What it shows is Hillary's support concentrated in a few high population metropolitan areas while the republican candidate had a much broader appeal across regional lines, hence he won. The rest of the country has a right to the kind of representation that they prefer and not everybody in the US wants to be like LA or New York.

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She was just a horrible candidate, pure and simple and her shenanigans and lies and emails got the best of her, thank god she didn't win.

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her shenanigans and lies

Trump never lies. He's an honest, God-fearing feller. And he has a really big brain.

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Assuming that there was all kinds of dirt to be found in Republican emails, it still wouldn't negate what was revealed in what we saw on the DNC side.

LOL don't be silly. Airing out the dirty laundry of one party while keeping the other under lock and key obviously has an impact. That's why the Russians did it that way, and it was an effective partnership for the GOP.

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Fantastic! I knew I'd never vote for any Clinton in 1996. Good to know that future generations are protected from their brand of politics.

All the email stuff was self-inflicted due to poor judgment. It was nice that the FBI didn't arrest her. Anything less has been a kindness. Plus with the Attorney General at the time refusing to press charges for those alleged crimes, it wasn't worth the effort.

President Trump isn't any better - and we knew that on election day. His election was a slap against all politicians from both parties. The republicans are all confused if they believe we prefer their brand of politics too.

Why are they complaining about the electoral college still? There are a few ways to change the way it works. Just need to convince 3/4 of the states it is a good idea to amend the constitution or split up some of the larger population states. to more equally have their votes match those of less populated states.

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Comey's letter to Congress was sent to apprise that body that new information had come to light that could possibly affect an ongoing investigation. There was no second investigation. But that is moot, because the FBI investigation Comey was talking about was into her use of a private email server not about the leaked emails of the Democratic National Committee.

Why is it moot? It had an effect on the election. And remember, Trump was under investigation at the same time - yet the FBI never announced that.

And if you want to talk about email servers, let's talk about Pence. Hillary is a moot point now. He's vice president.

That doesn't change the content of the emails that were leaked. Assuming that there was all kinds of dirt to be found in Republican emails, it still wouldn't negate what was revealed in what we saw on the DNC side.

But having the Republican mails be aired would have made for an even balance.

The electoral college is a mechanism to prevent regional candidates from dominating national politics.

It's theoretical purpose is irrelevant to the end result - the candidate who was only voted by less than 20% of the country, and got 3 million votes less than his opponent, ended up being voted in as president. And he has been an abject failure who is less popular than Nixon was during Watergate.

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President Trump won 306 of 538 Electoral College votes.

This article is about Ms. Clinton and why she lost. She lost because she didn't win a majority of Electoral College votes.

Ms. Clinton had assistants forward classified data to her email account - the FBI says over 100 messages. She systematically used a private email server for US Govt work. That wasn't illegal at the time, though strongly advised against doing so. She kept having people below her forwarding classified information AFTER REMOVING the important markers from the emails. That is a conspiracy in my book.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/03/why-mike-pences-private-email-account-is-way-different-from-hillary-clintons/ From the Washington Post (not exactly a right-wing paper) says there are huge differences between VP Pence and Secretary Clinton's situations.

In the end, VP Pence wasn't even investigated by the FBI, but Secretary Clinton was. The only reason she wasn't arrested was because the Attorney General at the time was a democrat and refused to bring charges. It wasn't like she shouldn't have gotten 2 yrs of probation + $100K in fines per incident, like anyone else who leaked minimally classified data of any sort would get. Drake got 1 yr of probation and 240 hrs of community service though he never admitted to any wrong-doing and the Govts case was falling apart. A few other sentences: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/05/11/how-judges-have-punished-leakers-of-classified-information/ Ms. Clinton deserves some level of punishment for her misdeeds.

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But having the Republican mails be aired would have made for an even balance.

Especially if you begin every argument with "whadda 'bout". But it still wouldn't change what was in the leaked DNC emails.

It's theoretical purpose is irrelevant to the end result

The "end result" was the direct result of the "theoretical( and intended) purpose".

who is less popular than Nixon was during Watergate.

A 1974 Gallup poll found Richard Nixon's approval rating at 24%. For the week of April 24-30 2017, Gallup reported Trump's approval rating at 41%.

And he has been an abject failure 

If by "abject" you mean complete and total, then at least 41% of Gallup poll respondents would probably disagree.

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Trump won from the time Hills through her hat in the ring. She knew she had heavy political baggage hanging over as well as the deleted emails. Yet she continue on, political knowing Burnie was had a better chance of winning. Even trying to effect his per-selection. The elite Dems were positive a women, any women would win against Trump. No she can not blame anyone but her own ego and the elite Dems. Burnie Had it in the bag but didn't, have the elite Dems backing.

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Only the emails of one party were released

An equal number of attempts were made on the RNC server, but the security was better and they couldn't get in. The DNC was warned thei system was vulnerable and they didn't act on the information.

http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/sources-dnc-warned-of-hack-months-before

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Strangerland - And if you want to talk about email servers, let's talk about Pence. Hillary is a moot point now. He's vice president.

In case you forgot, this thread is titled - Clinton blames misogyny, FBI, Russia, herself for 2016 loss

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