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Clinton says she would resist sending forces to fight IS even if there is attack within U.S.

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This statement, along with the above photograph, speaks VOLUMES about this " Presidential Contender ". It's always a GREAT IDEA to tell your ENEMY of your intentions or thoughts.

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Please, please, please, never ever put her in a position to ever be able to make the decision.

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Neocons and Salafists are two sides of the one coin.

The sooner Americans realise this, the better.

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Hillary is a classic delusional case same as most world leaders on ISIS and Islamic history in general who follow the same corrupted failure policy on this issue. ISIS is basically modeling an early conquering of Islamic force with Muhammad as new prophet / war leader in 7th century Arabia. First conquering and then forced the belief upon the opponents. Debating, negotiation, reasoning , missionary conversion were not factors in the spread of Islam, it was done under the power of swords. ISIS intends to centralize and unify future Islamic forces against the rest = CALIPHATE. Yes, some Muslims around the world share different views, but would they stand up against these radicals and REFORM Islam? All means were used by Muhammad' s early force to conquer Arabia. ISIS is doing same, and HILLARY WILL DO NOTHING unless ISIS' eggs are on her face. For now, she plays left to get elected. Paris' carnage was only the beginning.

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She and Bernie are right. ISIS is a problem that Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. need to take charge in dealing with. This is a civil war that's long overdue, and the less outsider involvement the better. I know the west is responsible a lot of the problems in the region, but its attempts to fix them only make things worse.

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". . . even if there is attack within U.S."

Which way is the wind blowin' this week?

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You bet, Hillary.

I am too tired of war. I am too sick of the ME conflicts. I cannot send my boys to the Middle East..

We need to shut a door to all ME refugees as these refugees have no security papers. Some say accepting these refugees is the right thing to do, but go to Europe and see what's going on. It is a mess. Germany has to deal with 750,000 Syrian refugees and they are stuck with the problems.

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Hillary is a classic delusional case same as most world leaders on ISIS and Islamic history in general who follow the same corrupted failure policy on this issue.

Pot calling Kettle black.

Debating, negotiation, reasoning , missionary conversion were not factors in the spread of Islam, it was done under the power of swords.

Where did you get this version of history?? Read up on it. Islam spread mainly through the silk road, through commerce.

Debating, negotiation, reasoning , missionary conversion were not factors in the spread of CHRISTIANITY, it was done under the power of swords.

Debating, negotiation, reasoning , missionary conversion were not factors in the spread of Democracy, it was attemped under the power of the US Military.

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She is not going to be president anyway, so she can say whatever she likes, no matter how stupid. Her and her husband were as much behind the war in Iraq as Bush was, and for her to say that she would "resist sending US forces" is several years too late. It was her husband's CIA chief which said that WMD was a "slam dunk", and Hillary was one of the senators who voted for the war.

She and Bernie are right. ISIS is a problem that Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. need to take charge in dealing with.

No, they are not right. Saudi Arabia has it's hands full with Yemen and Iran already, and Turkey is struggling to deal with their own problems. Iran is one of the agents fueling the unrest, by arming shiites, and trying to destabilize Iraq. It was America which opened the can of worms which is crawling all around right now, and America needs to go out and step on them. America invaded Iraq, and did not leave a stable government behind. It watched the collapse of the regimes in Egypt and Libya, and did nothing to promote stability there. America watched Syria "cross a red line", and refused to to anything. So far everything America has done has been wrong, and Hillary has been secretary of state as debacle after debacle has unfolded. President Obama is more afraid of returning US troops to the middle east than he is of seeing the entire region collapse.

Like it or not, the middle east is still a main supplier of the world's energy, and the IS can disrupt the world's economies if they grow strong enough. Another problem is that the stream of Syrian refugees are being sent around the world, and there is more than a small chance that a few are IS fighters.

The problem is that if the IS is not dealt with harshly and quickly, it will continue to grow and infect others. Already the infection has reached Europe. Honduras arrested 5 Syrians the day before yesterday who were traveling with fake Greek passports, they were planning to travel overland and enter America over the southern border. Were there any which have entered and who have not been caught?

Sorry Hillary, I supported you back in 2007, but not anymore. I'm tired of your lies, and I wouldn't trust you if you told me the sun shined during the day time.

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Why? Because she cannot be trusted. She is a first-class liar and will say anything. And I am about as liberal as you will ever find. Don't be fooled by this woman.

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"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction. ... And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein -- this is your last chance -- disarm or be disarmed."

(former NY Sen. Hillary Clinton following 9/11)

Which way is the wind blowin'? Her own record clearly speaks for itself.

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@Sangetsu Her and her husband were as much behind the war in Iraq as Bush was,

They had power equal to the US President? Another exaggeration.

It was America which opened the can of worms

I fully agree, and taking an Occams Razor look at the debacle I'll say it was Bush 41 and Bush 43 who need to take the lion's share of the blame for the US's involvement in the problem.

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You'd have to be pretty crazy to send US men and women into Syria.

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First of all it is "Step Up To The Plate."

This woman would be a disaster as president. Plus, why is she telling our enemies her thoughts?

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“This is a time for American leadership. No other country can rally the world to defeat ISIS and win the generational struggle to defeat jihadism,” she said."

What about China?

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"You'd have to be pretty crazy to send US men and women into Syria."

Or just plain immoral. Lives are cheap for the warmongers and a bit of chest-puffing, flag-waving, patriotic sing-songs and bulls and horns rhetoric soon makes the opposition dangerous and unpatriotic. Works every time.

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" Offering a detailed assessment of the conflict in Syria, the Democratic presidential front-runner said America must lead the effort to fight against IS but called on Arab nations to supply much of the military force on the ground. "

Talk about muddled thinking! She is right that the US should not walk in and babysit another failed state. However, her idea that the Sunni Arabs of the region will join and fight against the Sunnis of ISIS is plainly ludicrious. This woman once again shows how clueless she is.

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Ground troops in Syria to exterminate ISIS are necessary. But the US experience has been that as soon as the soldiers come in the Muslim populace who the soldiers are actually supporting fall back on the old "crusader"thing, get upset because there are "infidels in the land of the Muslims", and then go over to the side of their previous enemy because Top priority must be given to throwing out the infidels. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc etc yawn, yawn."

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"What about China?"

You used to post 'What about China and Russia?".

Check out the latest story in the world news section where Chinese authorities shot dead Xinjiang terrorists/freedom fighters after a murderous attack on a colliery. China has plenty of problems on or within its own borders and isn't stupid enough to get embroiled in a bloodbath thousands of miles away. It does make sense.

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Sangetsu03,

Saudi Arabia has it's hands full with Yemen and Iran already, and Turkey is struggling to deal with their own problems.

Sounds like they need to get it together, put aside their differences, and fight their true threat.

Iran is one of the agents fueling the unrest, by arming shiites, and trying to destabilize Iraq.

Exactly. They're already fighting ISIS.

It was America which opened the can of worms which is crawling all around right now, and America needs to go out and step on them.

America opened the can of worms way before Iraq, and has been stomping them into the mud ever since. They're only getting pushed deeper underground. What they need to do is step out of the way and let their natural predators peck them out.

Why would the countries that surround ISIS get involved if they know America will just come in and handle it (or at least take ISIS's attention away from themselves)?

If America really cares about lasting peace in the region (and not just oil), it needs keep its involvement minimal. Maybe offer support and aid, but the Arab nations need to lead. Again, I know the US is responsible for a lot of the mess, but doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane.

WilliB,

However, her idea that the Sunni Arabs of the region will join and fight against the Sunnis of ISIS is plainly ludicrious.

Well, if moderate Muslims want to prove that there's such a thing as "moderate" Islam that can coexist with the modern world, now would be the time to do it.

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However, her idea that the Sunni Arabs of the region will join and fight against the Sunnis of ISIS is plainly ludicrous.

Plenty of Sunnis want rid of Daesh.

Should a Catholic equate a Quaker with a Westboro Baptist because both are Protestant?

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slamming the door on every Syrian refugee, that is just not what we are about

What Mrs. Bill Clinton fails to comprehend is that we are in a war of ideologies. Muslims by their religious teachings wants to kill all non-believers. Liberals say they are for gays and women, but then rally behind those whose "religion" calls for the death and/or sexual mutilation of those two groups.

Now, she is on record saying an attack by ISIL on U.S. soil will not be met with any retribution AND wants to further limit gun ownership to us who desire to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Man, talk about a 1-2 punch to end a presidential campaign.

The democrats unchallenged front runner for U.S. President is circling the drain real fast. The time has come for Mrs. Bill Clinton to go home and bake some cookies for her granddaughter. America does want nor need her definition of leadership. . . .

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Now, she is on record saying an attack by ISIL on U.S. soil will not be met with any retribution AND wants to further limit gun ownership to us who desire to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Your guns will more Americans than terrorists will, by a much bigger factor. But hey, at least you've convinced yourself that you're safer so there's that.

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"She is not going to be president anyway"

Really? Who is, then? Bernie? The Donald? The doctor?

"What about China?"

"You used to post 'What about China and Russia?".

"Check out the latest story in the world news section where Chinese authorities shot dead Xinjiang terrorists/freedom fighters after a murderous attack on a colliery. China has plenty of problems on or within its own borders and isn't stupid enough to get embroiled in a bloodbath thousands of miles away. It does make sense."

Oh well, I guess we can't expect China to hep out in Syria, then.

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Hillary as president of the USA is SCARY!

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Muslims by their religious teachings wants to kill all non-believers.

I've been invited into homes, had tea and eaten dinner with many muslims and their families. I've been inside mosques during prayers in several countries, and no-one ever said boo to me.

To be honest, I felt a lot, lot safer travelling in North Africa than in the USA, and I hear exactly the same concerns from the many wonderful Americans I know.

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A week ago just after the attacks, a colleague asked me my take, and I answered I was most concerned about an American overreaction. America has not disappointed me in that regard.

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Yes; by all means, go back to Laguna Beach and see how many of your BUDDIES THERE are having " Refugees" move into THEIR houses...better yet; let them move into YOUR place.

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That is a rather terrifying photograph, I must say.

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now is an ideal time to jump in with Russia, France, Jordan, Turkey and whoever else like say NATO to end this ISIS movement. They were permitted to murder enough innocent people in the most gruesome methods long enough. A few years ago were ideal, today is the consolation date.

Go, eliminate the leadership and leave with a promise to return if new leaders choose the same practices. Not an idle promise either.

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So, just so we are clear:

The hysterical posters here want the US to send in ground troops. Like, now.

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Mark I'm not against military force (I even support the air strikes) but it's not typical warfare with ISIS. It would be like sending in the military to take out the KKK. I'm not comparing the groups as groups, but imagine trying to pinpoint attacks to kill the right people who can easily blend in with the crowd. Sending in troops would most likely see a lot of our people maimed and killed and I can't imagine our goal would be reached to the full extent. We'd also be there for a decade wondering when we could get out.

If Middle Eastern countries want to send in their troops then I would support US logistical help. If they don't want to fight then it's their choice. They can continue to live with the cancer themselves.

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SenseNotSoCommonNOV. 20, 2015 - 04:57PM JS

Should a Catholic equate a Quaker with a Westboro Baptist because both are Protestant?

When the catholics, quakers and baptists turn into barbaric mass murderers like our muslim friends I'll let you pose that question.

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I've been invited into homes, had tea and eaten dinner with many muslims and their families. I've been inside mosques during prayers in several countries, and no-one ever said boo to me.

Same here and I grew up with many Muslims and went to school with many of them. So what's your point?

To be honest, I felt a lot, lot safer travelling in North Africa than in the USA, and I hear exactly the same concerns from the many wonderful Americans I know.

Well, not everyone will agree with you on that. And sadly, Islam doesn't have a tone that sounds like a peace loving religion in the ears of a lot of people, especially what has been going on the last 15 years. Doesn't matter what you and I think, perception is everything and when you say the word Muslim or Islam it just ruffles a lot of feathers and that feeling of anxiety, apprehension and procrastination of interacting with Muslims is a result of their making NOT ours. This is NOT my personal opinion, this is how a growing number of people think about Islam and if the moderates that are against this hijack of the religion and don't go out and fight for their religion and to teach people about what peaceful Islam is, the hate of the religion and the people will only intensify in deep anger and ferocity.

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@Moonraker

She is a first-class liar and will say anything.

Ah, so, you are telling me she is a politician.

@Texas A&M Aggie,

Muslims by their religious teachings wants to kill all non-believers.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, yet instead you trumpet your ignorance like it was some sort of virtue. Shame, shame, shame. I have friends who are Muslim. This is an insult.

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Triumvere:

" Shame, shame, shame. I have friends who are Muslim. This is an insult. "

It is irrelvant. From Osama Bin Ladin to Mohammed Atta, the 9/11 bomber, to Hasna Aitboulahcen who blew herself up in Paris, there are countless of murderous jihadis who were described as very friendly and very nice by all their Western friends... until they were not.

The common thread here is they started taking their wholy texts literally. So no, you can not generalize about all "muslims" but you can make very clear statements about islam -- its texts and its history.

And islamic texts are not moderate by any measure. Read up and inform yourself.

Here is a good starting point:

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them” (Qur’an 3:28)

Do you want to argue with the Koran, the word of god?

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So let's hear your solution, WilliB. I know you support all Muslims living under the thumb of brutal, genocidal, secular dictators. Do you support a national registry for those living in the U.S.? Or a ban on Islam? I'm genuinely curious.

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Yes, Triunmvere, she is a politician but few have ever claimed, for example, to have arrived at an airport under sniper fire. But if you are excusing her by calling her a politician then I guess it is true that the people get the leaders they deserve.

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A new name for the go to war crowd: "gun-packing-watercooler-warriors".

My preference is for all of the JT keyboard warriors and those in all countries to stop talking their he-man talk and go walk it, go fight the war they want fought for them. You claim it's your ideology at stake, your right to shoot guns. Pick up your guns and go to the ME in the name of your ideology.

Let other people's sons and daughter get on with their lives. I don't care how old you are or if you've been there, done that. If you've been there, you know most of the jobs are behind the lines anyway. There's always room for a file clerk or some rear with the gear job. And volunteer your money to pay for it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lets-send-our-gun-packing-watercooler-warriors-to-fight-isis-2015-11-20

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The argument is that Muslims kill in the name of their religion, so all Muslims deserve to be discriminated against, but since Christians who kill don't it in the name of religion, other Christians don't need to be discriminated against.

Surely people can see the failure in this logic.

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Strangerland,

It's simply the "guns good, people bad" creed of an external locus of control. Nothing else.

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When a gun nut kills a bunch of people, he's an anomaly. When a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's a representative.

No bias there.

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When a gun nut kills a bunch of people, he's an anomaly. When a Muslim kills a bunch of people, he's a representative. No bias there.

I think that is probably because the majority of "gun violence" you're trying to hold up as an example mostly happens in one country. While Islamic extremism/terrorist acts are worldwide. How many ISIS recruits came from different countries again? Damned right there is going to be a bias.

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The common thread here is they started taking their wholy texts literally.

So, sort of like what happens when people start taking the old testament literally. Then you are executing gays and stoning people to death on suspicion of adultery... hmm, sounds kinda familiar, doesn't it?

To make my point clear, if Christians can ignore the uglier parts of their "wholy" texts, then there is no particular reason why Muslims can't do the same. In fact, if you actually ever get to know any Muslims you will find that there are a lot of them out there who are just a "selective" about how they follow their religion as, well, everybody else. In fact, the a-holes over in ISIS are pretty selective as well, given I'm pretty sure that hording sex slaves, murdering fellow Muslims, and blowing yourself up are all things one would normally consider haram. Same goes for the jerks in Saudi Arabia and the tribalists in Pakistan that treat their women like crap.

The enemy is, as it always has been, fundamentalism. Islam, taken in total, may indeed be a harsh religion, but there are literally billions of Muslims out there and most of them are practicing their religion quite peacefully. The idea that every Muslim you meet is one fiery sermon away from putting a dagger in your back or strapping on a suicide belt is stupidly paranoid and just about as offensive as assuming every black guy you see walking down the street is a potential gang member or thug waiting to beat up and rob you.

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Damned right there is going to be a bias

Congratulations! You've just let Daesh win.

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Bad ideology is bad ideology.

@Triumvere, You're missing a very important aspect of Christianity. Christianity didn't arise from the old testament, Judaism did. Christianity came about after Jesus was born (So it's obvious the new testament wasn't written until after that). Islam arose after Mohammed went his way. If you look at the teachings of both leaders and the actions of both leading founders you'll find there is a drastic difference in how they approached things. Even Buddha was nowhere near Mohammed's path of teaching their faith.

Not everybody believes every Muslim is going to be a terrorist, but everyone knows that the majority of terrorism is carried out these days by a Muslim adherent. Wish it wasn't true, but it is. No amount of nay-saying or denial will ever change facts and evidence.

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but everyone knows that the majority of terrorism is carried out these days by a Muslim adherent

and Daesh wants nothing more than to drive a wedge between us. Do some reading, and you'll soon discover that many Jihadis know less about Islam than you do, HD.

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I love how you claim Jihadi's know less about Islam than you do. I have a Muslim relative, and I've had plenty of exposure to Islamic belief in my own neighborhoods while growing up. I own a Qur'an given to my by my Muslim relative. Don't give me that "It's not this, it's that" garbage, because If you knew anything you'd know Mohammed's history, the text of the Qur'an chronologically, the hadith's and the actual history of Islam that led up to what and why we're dealing with Islamic extremism today.

As I said, talk to some of the Muslim apostates. They know sure as sht more than either you or me. Y'know, cos' they were "born" and raised under Islam. Also some actually moderate (not those who like to give lip service to appeal to the gullible) Imams are constantly calling out for reform... don't need to reform* something if it's already considered "perfect" right?

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