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Clinton needs to retain support from black and Latino voters to win the Nov. 8 election

Black and Latino voters propelled her victory over Sanders. With good reason. HRC has spent over 30 years building bridges with those communities. Yet somehow we are to believe Trump can increase his numbers with these voters?

It would be laughable it it weren't so monumentally transparent how desperate there is the need for some in the media to pretend there is some kind of horse race going on here. Well, there is, and its this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4

Again, barring 1) a complete financial or economic meltdown or 2) Clinton strangling a kittten on Good Morning America, this race is over.

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“It’s a tired, disgusted argument and is so totally predictable.”

It's also true. Just because he thinks its tiring and disgusting we should all just ignore the truth? No Donald, you brought this on yourself with your rhetoric, actions and way of thinking. You are the one that should be ashamed of even running for presidency - an insult not just to America, but the world!

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Black and Latino voters propelled her victory over Sanders. With good reason. HRC has spent over 30 years building bridges with those communities. Yet somehow we are to believe Trump can increase his numbers with these voters?

Like how?

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HRC has spent over 30 years building bridges with those communities

LOL have you actually been to where these folks live? You only need to go as far as Detroit to discover that the situation is obviously much worse than envisioned. Building bridges? What a cruel joke!!

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People keep saying Donald Trump appeals to racism. But other than questioning the birthplace of President Obama, saying a federal judge can't be impartial because of his Mexican heritage, calling to ban Muslims from entering the US, retweeting proud white supremacists online, posting Star of David images in a derogatory way, saying that immigrants from Mexico are rapists and criminals, and disparaging the parents of a Muslim American soldier killed in combat, what has he done that's racist?

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Lincoln didn't lift a finger to help pass the 13th ammendment. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave in the states in the remaining union, it only applied to the Confederate states, which had seceded and Lincoln had no authority to proclaim anything. These myths continue to be propagated to scrub his image.

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Factoring in how Mrs. Clinton's husband -- with her support as a co-president in the 1990s -- signed the "Three Strikes Rule" into law, which tore apart black and Latino families because of lengthy prison terms that law called for, only blindly loyal Clinton supporters actually believe that that family has a track record of "building bridges with those communities".

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Republicans: "Be tougher on crime"

Clinton creates three strikes law, which is tougher on crime.

Republicans: "Tougher crime laws are racist"

That all said, the three strikes laws are a failure and should be repealed.

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Lincoln didn't lift a finger to help pass the 13th ammendment.

But they did without a doubt rectify that by passing the 14th amendment.

The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave in the states in the remaining union,

But most of slavery was abolished by around 1804, why do you think slaves tried to run and escape to the North in the first place?

it only applied to the Confederate states, which had seceded and Lincoln had no authority to proclaim anything. These myths continue to be propagated to scrub his image.

Of course it applied to those States, had it not been for Lincoln, the country probably would be a carbon copy of the former South Africa.

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@Texas A&M Aggie

Factoring in how Mrs. Clinton's husband -- with her support as a co-president in the 1990s -- signed the "Three Strikes Rule" into law

Keyword is 1990s. This happened twenty years ago when gang violence in the inner cities was at it's peak with a completely different atmosphere throughout the country. Like Strangeland said, it was a time when both parties were competing over who was tougher on crime, which happens to be more prevalent in poorer minority communities. Don't act like Republicans back then had any progressive plans on dealing with the problem.

Trump's comments come at a time of record lows in crime despite fear mongering in the media (led in part by Trump himself). And the birther movement had nothing to do with anything but the fact that Obama was black.

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I don't think Trump is doing it because he wants white voters to think he's getting more palatable. I think people like him and a lot of the GOP really are out of touch with minorities. Remember that he's the guy who took a picture with a taco salad and thought it would impress Latino voters. That wasn't staged, that was just an insulated white man being aloof when trying to talk to minorities.

Clinton has the support of the black community because she has invested time in the black community during her political career. Just ask them. It's not rocket science. During that same time Trump was sued and settled with the US government over discriminatory housing practices and says stupid things like, "Oh, look at my African-American over here." Or, maybe this will help: Trump = history of racism. Clinton = history of engagement. I'm really struggling to find ways to break it down into it's most basic form for Republicans.

Even if your pie in the sky non-descriptive promise of future riches if you vote GOP turns out to be 100% true, you have to admit, minorities would have to look past a lot of racism. Based on a promise from the racists.

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I am confused. If Trump is trying to concede the bigot vote to Clinton, then who does he have waiting in the wings to replace his ex backers? Why, all the minorities! 95 percent will back Trump, no questions asked.

Kudos to the audience at the Trump event that, when given a stand and shout survey, more people said they prefer letting the illegals stay. Back atcha, Don.

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“When Democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument: You’re racist, you’re racist, you’re racist,” Trump told a crowd in Manchester, New Hampshire. “It’s a tired, disgusted argument and is so totally predictable.”

There are quite a few things I don't like about Trump -- but on this, at least, he's spot on.

African Americans have been predominantly voting Democrat for the past 50 years or so -- and what has it gotten them? More poverty, more unemployment, more government dependency -- and worst of all, a condescending attitude that they just can't achieve or compete equally and that they need Big Nanny Government to help them.

They say insanity is defined as trying the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. Well, black Americans have been underserved, let down, and condescended to by liberal Democrats for decades.

Liberals want to keep black Americans in a mentality of victimhood and dependency. But it's only conservative principles that empower and inspire ALL people, including black people, to be the best they can be.

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Trump is loud and obnoxious, but he is not a racist.He will help minorities. Hillary is a white devilish war monger.She has failed miserably helping minorities. There is your answer.

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Trump's comments come at a time of record lows in crime

@bum,

The black families living in Obama's hometown of Chicago, or Detroit, Baltimore, NYC, etc., and the Latino families in Los Angeles, Oakland, Maimi, San Antonio, etc., would disagree with that statement. The only places where violent crime is decreasing are in gated white communities across America. . . .

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Trump is loud and obnoxious, but he is not a racist.

Yeah, "other than questioning the birthplace of President Obama, saying a federal judge can't be impartial because of his Mexican heritage, calling to ban Muslims from entering the US, retweeting proud white supremacists online, posting Star of David images in a derogatory way, saying that immigrants from Mexico are rapists and criminals, and disparaging the parents of a Muslim American soldier killed in combat", he's not racist.

The only places where violent crime is decreasing are in gated white communities across America. . . .

Please back that up with numbers (it may very well be true, but forgive me for being skeptical of the claims of the right - they are often found not to be based in reality).

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I don't think Trump is doing it because he wants white voters to think he's getting more palatable. I think people like him and a lot of the GOP really are out of touch with minorities. Remember that he's the guy who took a picture with a taco salad and thought it would impress Latino voters. That wasn't staged, that was just an insulated white man being aloof when trying to talk to minorities.

30 years ago, you could say that, but with the inroads the GOP has made to recruit more minority voters is actually very impressive and you're starting to see more gays join the party as well. So there have been a lot of changes throughout the GOP. This whole fictitious diatribe of the GOP being racist is a ludicrous joke.

Clinton has the support of the black community because she has invested time in the black community during her political career. Just ask them.

For example? Can you name 10 things she's done to help Blacks?

It's not rocket science. During that same time Trump was sued and settled with the US government over discriminatory housing practices and says stupid things like, "Oh, look at my African-American over here." Or, maybe this will help: Trump = history of racism. Clinton = history of engagement. I'm really struggling to find ways to break it down into it's most basic form for Republicans.

Ok, so Trump made a mistake, he never claimed in his past that he's done a lot for Blacks, Hillary has, so what are the outstanding accomplishments of HRC to the Black community? By the way, when Obama called Southerners are people that cling to their guns and religion, I think he specifically was referring to Whites, how'd you feel about that?

Even if your pie in the sky non-descriptive promise of future riches if you vote GOP turns out to be 100% true, you have to admit, minorities would have to look past a lot of racism. Based on a promise from the racists.

So why do they still vote for a party that has nothing for them for over 50 years?

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@Texas A&M Aggie

It depends on the years you're comparing. Crime in those cities might be higher than the last couple of years, but if you're looking at long term trends, the numbers are at historic lows across the country, regardless of whether your community is gated. Also keep in mind some of those cities you mentioned are in Republican-run states.

The Democrats may not have a perfect record regarding minorities, but it's pretty silly to argue that Republicans have been better. Facts are simply not on your side. And what about Trumps bigoted comments and his leading the charge in the ridiculous birther movement?

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At a Mississippi rally on Wednesday, Trump called Clinton a “bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings.”

He ain't lying!

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The Democrats may not have a perfect record regarding minorities, but it's pretty silly to argue that Republicans have been better.

Historically speaking they have been, yes, during the 70s and 80s they weren't as good at reaching out to minorities. But as far as Democrats not being perfect, take a look at Chicago, how have Democrats been a positive force in the lives of Blacks?

Facts are simply not on your side. And what about Trumps bigoted comments and his leading the charge in the ridiculous birther movement?

This entire campaign is just horrible, the name calling, the unproven allegations on some of the topics is really off the charts. I don't think it was good for Trump to call her an outright bigot and vice versa. However, I do believe her policies or more importantly, the Democratic parties policies are bigoted and destructive to the Black community.

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Trump is back to his habit now that it seems Clinton will win. She ii's quiet. JD prohibited her to talk about r mail investigation procedure, one media reported. Secret can not be known to public? polls are awfully high on Clinton. Trump people are blaming loud mouth supporters now. They don't want immigration control plans messed up by these supporters.

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@bass4funk

I don't think it was good for Trump to call her an outright bigot and vice versa.

She's not the only one who's calling him a bigot. Anyone who listens to his words and is honest with themselves can see that his words are bigoted. That doesn't bode well for his policies.

However, I do believe her policies or more importantly, the Democratic parties policies are bigoted and destructive to the Black community.

Maybe so, but minority activists respected by their own communities still overwhelmingly support the Democratic party while at the same time pushing them to improve. They seem so to be choosing the lesser of two evils.

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bass: By the way, when Obama called Southerners are people that cling to their guns and religion, I think he specifically was referring to Whites, how'd you feel about that?

Let me guess the correct, GOP answer:

It's outrageous. That, plus the plethora of circumstantial evidence makes you wonder how some could not think Obama is racist? I mean he said those words right there. Why does he get a free pass? What about his racism? What about blacks voting Democrat and their free stuff? Is that America?

Racism is through the roof since Obama took office, voter fraud is real, Planned Parenthood sold baby parts, Obama is Muslim, abortion clinics are unsafe, you're going to lose your guns, Hillary is about to die, trickle-down economics works, the elections are rigged, Obama snuffed out both the FBI and Benghazi investigations, #BLM is a racist organization, Netanyahu is our ally, Obama is Kenyan, homosexuality is a choice, we can deport 11,000,000 people, the IRS targeted conservative groups, it's just a temporary ban, trans attack bathrooms, Obama caused the explosion of social safety spending after the recession, Sharia law is in America, we have an Obamacare alternative, cutting taxes works, a wall is effective, I know what foreign leaders are thinking, I heart Putin/Assange, I'm a reporter of 30 years with little to no grammar skills, saying racist things doesn't make you racist, creationism is schools, the media is biased, illegals go to the front of the line, the solution is more guns, STAND DOWN, the Democrats founded the KKK, and, finally: the GOP can govern.

How'd I do?

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How'd I do?

You missed out a couple of ROFLs.

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Last week Dr. Drew of CNN and a colleague of his sat down and evaluated Hillays released medical records and in conclusion, questioned her health and her health care. He was interviewed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKonfgr9-ZVZyxsG58agsSlKfneypVB8cXLRjKkDK4EmKujea_p7TXpKDnhUjQE7q1MSJckR&v=tRtdA1w7AAQ&time_continue=126

Now Dr. Drew has been fired by CNN-Clinton News Network.

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Relative to some of the comments above, I agree Trump is loud and obnoxious. I do not know if he is racist or not but his statements certainly make it quite easy to claim he is.

Regarding violent crime...there has been an upward trend. Here is an article from the NY TIMES, May 2016 about the rising murder rates in U.S. cities...for whatever it means.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0

My reasons for not voting for Trump have nothing to do with whether he is best for minorities or not. I am concerned he is not capable of performing the job of Commander in Chief. I have the same concerns about Ms. Clinton.

I agree Trump is loud and obnoxious. I do not know if he is racist or not but his statements certainly make it quite easy to claim he is.

Regarding violent crime...there has been an upward trend. Here is an article from the NY TIMES, May 2016 about the rising murder rates in U.S. cities...for whatever it means. I think we as a nation are failing our inner cities, especially the black population in the U.S. I also believe both parties are guilty of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0

However my primary reason for not voting for Trump is that I do not think he is fit for duty as the Commander in Chief. I do not think Ms. Clinton is either.

I understand many have strong feelings about one party over another and it is interesting to read the concerns raised by everyone about the "opposing candidate". Many of these concerns are valid and further reinforce my own feeling that we are stuck with choosing the "best" of 2 poor candidates.

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@Fizz

Seriously?! Drew was fired by CNN? Wow, when did this happen? I guess there is something in her records that the Dems don't want to be known.

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just because people call someone a bigot doesn't mean that the person is bigoted.

You're correct. Being a bigot is what makes one a bigot. And how do we know if one is bigoted? When they say bigoted things, we can see that they are a bigot.

Yes, Trump has said quite a bit of outlandish things, so has Hillary

Please give us some quotes of Hillary's that are bigoted.

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Now Dr. Drew has been fired by CNN-Clinton News Network.

No he hasn't. His show was canceled on HLM, but he will still be a contributor for CNN world-wide.

Once again a lack of fact-checking.

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So why do they still vote for a party that has nothing for them for over 50 years?

Simply not true.

President Johnson: He signed The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (enacted July 2, 1964) which outlawed major forms of discrimination against racial, ethnic, national and religious minorities, and women. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace, and by facilities that served the general public ("public accommodations"). Johnson also signed The Voting Rights Act of 1965 which outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African-Americans in the U.S.

Jimmy Carter: During his tenure as the Democratic Governor of Georgia, Carter increased the number of African-American state employees by 40 percent. He equalized the funding of schools in rich and poor districts of the state which helped many African-Americans receive better educations.

Bill Clinton: President Clinton appointed more African Americans to cabinet posts than all of the previous U.S. Presidents combined. Among his appointees were: Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, Labor Secretary Alexis M. Herman, Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary, Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater, Veterans Affairs Secretary Jesse Brown, and Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Susan E. Rice. Only four African-Americans had served on Cabinets since Johnson and prior to Clinton's first election. Clinton also signed the 1996 Welfare Reform Bill which helped lift many African-Americans out of poverty.

Obama: During his first term, Obama continued to support programs such as the SBA’s 8 (a), New Markets Initiatives, and HUB (Historically Underutilized Business) Zone that directly benefit black and minority firms.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/mag/president-obamas-big-plan-for-small-business/

Obama signed The Fair Pay Act - Since many Black women are the sole providers in the home, they have benefited from this act because their salaries and benefits have increased.

President Obama’s administration oversaw the $1.2 billion settlement awarded to Black farmers who have been denied loans and assistance by the Agricultural Dept. for decades. This was the second round of settlements in a case filed in 1997 (when Clinton was in office), which alleged that thousands of black farmers had been discriminated against between 1983 and 1997. This round is directed at farmers who were not awarded payment because of missed filing deadlines. Source: The Huffington Post

President Obama signed an executive order which increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) to $850 million over the next 10 years. The funding is being administered through the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities. This has ensured that thousands of black students will graduate. Black women are graduating in record numbers, and the percentage of black people with degrees has increased.

Many African-Americans have benefited from Health Care Reform (Affordable Care Act). In 2014, 4.1 million African Americans became eligible for Medicaid. Coverage for preventative conditions also became available to many African Americans, especially blood pressure testing and screening newborns for sickle cell disease.

Many African-Americans were helped during the foreclosure crisis: The Justice Department under Obama announced a $21 million agreement to settle a lawsuit brought by DOJ against SunTrust. Between 2005 and 2009, the suit alleged, the mortgage lender “engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination that increased loan prices for many of the qualified African-American and Hispanic borrowers who obtained loans.” According to DOJ, SunTrust’s discriminatory policy affected more than 20,000 black and Latino borrowers who were hit with higher fees and interest rates than non-Hispanic white borrowers, “not based on borrowers’ risk, but because of their race or national origin.” The DOJ also announced a record $335 million settlement with Countrywide Financial Corp. The department alleged that “Countrywide discriminated by charging more than 200,000 African-American and Hispanic borrowers higher fees and interest rates than non-Hispanic white borrowers in both its retail and wholesale lending.” In addition, “Countrywide discriminated by steering thousands of African-American and Hispanic borrowers into subprime mortgages when non-Hispanic white borrowers with similar credit profiles received prime loans. All the borrowers who were discriminated against were qualified for Countrywide mortgage loans according to Countrywide’s own underwriting criteria.”

The Recovery Act has provided $150 million for Pathways out of Poverty grants, which offered green job training to low-income youth and adults in under-served communities.

Obama has also enacted the Stakeholder Outreach Initiative, which consists of teams established to assist small businesses (many minority-owned) with obtaining federal grants.

Lastly, Obama's financial reform measures included the The Community Development Capital Initiative. It was tremendously helpful for dozens of small banks nationwide. For example, Carver Bancorp, the New York-based holding company for America's largest black-owned bank, got nearly $19 million thanks to the initiative.

I wouldn't consider these things to be "nothing." Now that I have done this, please tell us what the Republicans have done for African-Americans over the past 50 years and why African-Americans should vote for them.

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Perhaps Cher could say the same thing. She was referring to his demagoguery, appeals to racism and rabble-rousing.

I met Cher twice about 25 years ago and if you know anything about Cher, she's pretty direct and unapologetic when she says something and watching her on TV way back going back to the late 60s, I tend to think she's serious about what she said.

People should be careful with comparisons. Particularly those who write for millions for a living.

I agree, so when will libs stop the spin?

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A very important and interesting speech - important as it signals the tack her campaign will take, and interesting as the tack is so unusual. Clinton could have attacked Republican policies; this would have helped Dem downticket candidates; instead, she said,

This is not conservatism as we have known it. This is not Republicanism as we have known it.

Basically, she is endorsing the traditional GOP and its philosophies as legitimate. This has two ramifications: it encourages conservatives that splitting their ticket - voting for Clinton and GOP congressmen - is okay. It also signifies her good will towards working with moderate Republicans in Congress.

In that sense, this was less a campaign speech than the beginning of her presidency. She knows she will win, but she also knows that the GOP will likely control the House and will have at least a significant minority in the Senate. Signaling at this early stage that her fight is more against the abomination that is Trump rather than the Republican Party as a whole is brilliant. Like Obama, Clinton's playing 11-dimensional chess while Trump is playing checkers.

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This is not conservatism as we have known it. This is not Republicanism as we have known it.

CODE for: This is not traditional Washington big pocket traditional establishment politics as we know it.

Yeah, I think the people can see right through that one.

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The DNC ( not to be confused with Deceptive Network of Cronyism!!!!) has done a good selling job with minorities in gaining their votes, but their vicious cycles of despair, poverty, and government dependency are so addicted to shake it off. Democrats benefit the most by either using or abusing minorities for political gains. The RNC has done a poor job with minorities. Republicans must point out and showing minorities the way out of government dependency abusive policy that has been employed by Democrats. There are some minorities who make headway through responsibility and accountability, and they are the good role models for better future to all minorities and ALL AMERICANS. To those who abuse minorities for political gains, I say you are rotten to the core. Remember "the stupidity of America peoples" during Obama's ACA passing! Now race card and division are in tune among crooked and dirty politicians with the liberal media as a choir to sing along, and that is beyond shame.

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Some (certainly not all) things that Donald Trump said make sense despite the fashionable euphoria of condemnation of him by media:

Democrats had got African-American votes and ruled for decades their inner cities, but these places/citizens remain the worst educated, highest crime rate, highest drug addiction, highest unemployment, etc. Don't sound like good leadership and doing a good job. Vetting certain group of people who breed the most violent religious terrorists, for terrorist intent and background before letting them into the country. Sound like common sense. Law and order are basic necessity of a nation. Nobody is to be above the law is a basic premise of any democracy. Deporting illegal immigrants who had committed violent crimes. "Pay for play" mixing both politics and Clinton "charity" vehicle don't sound right when 9% funds spent on "charity activities", while the rest somewhere else.
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The Democratic party has been a consistent champion in some form or other of civil rights issues since the late 1960s when Republicans led by Richard Nixon tossed traditional GOP supporters of civil rights under the bus in favor of simply winning at all costs. It's widely regarded as the Southern Strategy and one that modern Republicans all but forget when they try to pretend they are in any way, shape, or form the original Party of Lincoln.

Nixon and the GOP desperately wanted a White House that had been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1933. He and his advisors saw the block of states in the South -- former Confederacy states -- as ripe for enticement into the GOP while Democratic leaders moved further away from decidedly non-inclusive, segregationist policies that were being embraced by the GOP and closer to civil rights reforms that progressives in both parties supported.

Anyone want to take a guess at what policy platforms Nixon used to appeal to these folks? "states' rights" and "law and order," long-standing staples of Deep South resistance to civil rights.

So, who, pray tell, might currently be using these very same rallying cries to "fire up" his support base?

No, the Confederate battle flags outside of Trump rallies are no accident.

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A U.S. judge ordered the State Department on Thursday to release by Sept. 13 any emails it finds between Hillary Clinton and the White House from the week of the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya, among the thousands of additional emails uncovered by federal investigators.

The noose is slowly tightening

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"Clinton, Trump clash over who is best for U.S. minorities"

Well, who's going to bring jobs back to America? Hillary? Ha ha ha ha ha

And this is VERY interesting: "New Clinton Scandal: Foundation Taking Bribes And Granting Access To Hillary Clinton at State" ( Youtube uploader H.A. Goodman ) ( he ain't lyin' )

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SerranoAUG. 26, 2016 - 06:55PM JST

And this is VERY interesting: "New Clinton Scandal: Foundation Taking Bribes And Granting Access To Hillary Clinton at State" ( Youtube uploader H.A. Goodman ) ( he ain't lyin' )

This is interesting: "If the giraffe could leap, pound for pound, as high as the grasshopper, it would save itself a lot of trouble." (E.L. Wisty)

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H.A. Goodman: Trump says insulting things. But Hillary Clinton does things that hurt people of color."

Daaayuuum!

Simon - Har! But you didn't even watch Goodman's video, did you? If you watch it, you might learn that Hillary is not the best choice here.

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At a Mississippi rally on Wednesday, Trump called Clinton a “bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings.”

Fodder by a white bigot for white bigots. The Clintons were legend in Arkansas for their welcoming in and being in total comfort with people of all races. It's one reason why many African-Americans have often referred to Bill as the "first black president."

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The Democratic party has been a consistent champion in some form or other of civil rights issues since the late 1960s

So that's why South Chicago, Harlem, Watts, Compton, Oakland, Philly and most other Democratically Black run cities are out of control? Because of the progress Democrats have made. There are still vacant buildings in Watts from the 1965 riots and and the L.A. riots.

when Republicans led by Richard Nixon tossed traditional GOP supporters of civil rights under the bus in favor of simply winning at all costs. It's widely regarded as the Southern Strategy and one that modern Republicans all but forget when they try to pretend they are in any way, shape, or form the original Party of Lincoln.

Yes, and thanks to LBJ and the Democrats that championed for the Blacks, it seems, they are just were he always wanted them to be, out of the picture.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism

Nixon and the GOP desperately wanted a White House that had been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1933. He and his advisors saw the block of states in the South -- former Confederacy states -- as ripe for enticement into the GOP while Democratic leaders moved further away from decidedly non-inclusive, segregationist policies that were being embraced by the GOP and closer to civil rights reforms that progressives in both parties supported.

And now it seems the roles are once again reversed, the GOP are now fighters for the working middle class and the NEW majority of the affluent are mostly White and vote Democratic, we're talking about the millennials.

Anyone want to take a guess at what policy platforms Nixon used to appeal to these folks? "states' rights" and "law and order," long-standing staples of Deep South resistance to civil rights.

So, who, pray tell, might currently be using these very same rallying cries to "fire up" his support base?

No, the Confederate battle flags outside of Trump rallies are no accident.

I'll say this to be fair, the GOP wasn't always right in the 70s and 80s in the way it ignored minorities, but the Dems have a longer, deeper history going back before the civil war and that they would try to distort the historical facts is just astounding. Think about it, only the Democrats could have a former KKK Grand Wizard serving in congress and not have any objections or apprehensions at all, were it a Republican, Dems hair would be on fire, literally!

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SerranoAUG. 26, 2016 - 09:19PM JST

Simon - Har! But you didn't even watch Goodman's video, did you?

Wow, however did you guess? If all he basically says is Hillary Clinton = Spawn of Satan then I really have better things to do with my time. I could not care less what you think is "interesting." I am not going to read or watch any of it.

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Simon - Har! But you didn't even watch Goodman's video, did you? If you watch it, you might learn that Hillary is not the best choice here.

It's funny that you think we would take the time to look up these right-wing propaganda articles that you think are interesting.

I'd call them dangerous, not interesting.

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I think Trump stops name calling. Every name callinng rather remind his past speech.

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Trump is loud and obnoxious, but he is not a racist.

Perhaps. But he plays one on TV.

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Trump. People fired more who mention the speech of Latinos are all rapists etc. He is trying to change his image to gain Hillary supporting Dem members?

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Here's data on party affiliation by demographics

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

Blacks: 80/11 percentage Dem/Rep Hispanics: 56/26 percentage Dem/Rep

Conclusion: Generally Blacks and Hispanics view Team Dem as best representing their interests. By a large margin with Hispanics, and a crushing margin with Blacks.

Corollary: You ain't gonna improve your numbers with Blacks and Hispanics by lecturing them on what's best for them. Indeed, that may even drive them away. As we see with....

Currently, Trump is at

Blacks: 90/1< Hispanics 66/24

-- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/13/new-polls-in-pennsylvania-and-ohio-show-donald-trump-with-0-percent-of-the-black-vote/

http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/6-hispanic-voters-and-the-2016-election/

Conclusion: Trump is doing worse than your standard Republican with Hispanics and terribly with blacks.

Maybe because he started his campaign by going birther on Obama, and then called Mexicans rapists and criminals....? Or maybe the blatant appeal to white 'racial resentment'? Or maybe because he's a 50s guy, when everything was all right in America if you were all white in American...?

Or maybe they don't like orange people...? Because THEY are the real racists, Who knows?

Its all so confusing.

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There are still vacant buildings in Watts from the 1965 riots and and the L.A. riots.

So, the Republicans were never in charge of that area from 1965 until now? Really? Why are you blaming the Democrats only for this problem when we've had 5 Republican presidents and 4 Democratic presidents over the past 50 years? Also, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of Republican governors in the state of California since 1965, so why didn't they do anything to fix this?

And now it seems the roles are once again reversed, the GOP are now fighters for the working middle class . . .

Some unbiased examples from credible sources of this statement would be helpful.

. . . only the Democrats could have a former KKK Grand Wizard serving in congress . . .

You cannot equate the Democratic party of today with the one back in the late 1800s that created the KKK. The same can be said for Republicans. The current group of Republicans do not have anything in common with the party of Lincoln, and they don't even resemble the Eisenhower Republicans from the 1950s. Take a look at the Republican Party Platform from 1956:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

No Republican today would be caught supporting anything from that platform. In fact, the Republicans from that time would be known as "Progressive Democrats" today. It's time to update your information on what each party represents so that it reflects what is going on now instead of what happened in the past.

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Heh, Trump's so-called "pivot" is about to backfire as Palin shrieks her disappointment:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37198163

Sarah Palin warns Donald Trump on deportation U-turn

Y'see the racist Base need their juju.

The Meltdown continues....

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So, the Republicans were never in charge of that area from 1965 until now? Really? Why are you blaming the Democrats only for this problem when we've had 5 Republican presidents and 4 Democratic presidents over the past 50 years?

They did.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed. And in 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School.

I could go on, but that would get a little boring.

Also, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of Republican governors in the state of California since 1965, so why didn't they do anything to fix this?

Like Arnold? The man had an endless uphill battle working with an almost ALL Democratic council, that's another reason why a lot of things disnt get done under his tenure.

You cannot equate the Democratic party of today with the one back in the late 1800s that created the KKK.

Sure you can, the difference is, they Klan traded their sheets for suit and ties.

The same can be said for Republicans. The current group of Republicans do not have anything in common with the party of Lincoln, and they don't even resemble the Eisenhower Republicans from the 1950s. Take a look at the Republican Party Platform from 1956:

Yes and at the same time, they have diversified more than ever and many in the party DO want to change the message to bring in more Blacks and other minorities by striving for more entrepreneurialship and self-reliance and saying NO to big government.

No Republican today would be caught supporting anything from that platform. In fact, the Republicans from that time would be known as "Progressive Democrats" today. It's time to update your information on what each party represents so that it reflects what is going on now instead of what happened in the past.

Not even close, if anything, Hillary would be considered "Reagan Democrat" foreign policy, she's more conservative. Again, with these cities that I've mentioned earlier and how Blacks keep voting Democratically

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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate.

Incorrect. The Act was introduced on the floor of the House on June 20, 1963 by a Democrat -- Emanuel Celler of New York. I understand the willingness to make things up in the GOP fantasy bubble.

Non-Southern Democrats voted for the Act 145-9, or by a 94%-6% margin. Non-Southern Republicans voted for the Act 138-24, or a 85%-15% margin. Out of the Goldwater-supporting, Future-Republican, racist South came the greatest opposition. Away from the South, Democrats were MORE in favor of the Act than Republicans were.

You omitted perhaps the greatest single civil rights move of the 20th century: the full integration of the US Armed Forces by President Truman. This marked the first time in US history that a black person could attain a position of authority over whites. Strom Thurmond was so incensed, he left the Democratic Party and was later welcomed with open arms in the newly racist Republican Party, which later implemented the southern strategy to win more white supremacists.

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. . . but the Dems have a longer, deeper history going back before the civil war and that they would try to distort the historical facts is just astounding

I won't even dignify this silliness with a response.

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Trump tries to straighten USA problems in his own way because there iiiis no GOP input. beside, he is not familiar with international anything just like Sanders.

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The Klan has been on Hillary's side with endorsements and donations since last April.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/

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I won't even dignify this silliness with a response.

Now yer talkin.

Anyways, the real news of the day is no one came to Donald's defense after Clinton tore into him yesterday. No one.

One week ago I wrote Donald has one weak to turn this election around. It is one week later. A nominee for one major political party spends 31 minutes attacking the other nominee as a long-term racist.

And the other nominees party is silent.

The Republican establishment has abandoned Donald J. Trumpy.

This election is over.

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bass: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed. And in 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School.

The journalist of 30 years lifted the above from "Bamboozling Black America: Classified" by Malcom Wise and did not write it himself.

The book is described as, "BAMBOOZLING BLACK AMERICA is a Fictional account of a plot to destroy Black America. Secret agencies with devious minds have hatched a plot to bring about the demise of Black people in America. The book is a collection of secret documents between secret agents that outline in detail their plans to destroy Black America. It is a novel? Is it a commentary? Is it a documentary? A history book? A guide? You be the judge!"

bass: I could go on, but that would get a little boring.

Yeah I'm sure you could go on and on. About 364 pages worth of his book to copy and paste.

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And the other nominees party is silent. The Republican establishment has abandoned Donald J. Trumpy. This election is over.

You just figured the out? Trump is a buffoon and always has been a buffoon. "Republicans" have never supported him. The Donalds' supporters are from the disaffected. Republicans are eating at the trough just like the Dems - they aren't really upset about the current state of America. The nearly $20 trillion debt isn't worrying them. Even the hard swing to the Left America has undergone since Obama has been president doesn't really bother them too much. Both parties are making money from and are supported by a similar set of interest groups that are invested in the current corrupt form of American democracy. Trump doesn't fit the mold. Hillary fits it to a "T".

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Clinton and Trump may be clashing over who is best for minorities. But the minorities aren't - they already know exactly which party is best for them.

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Incorrect. The Act was introduced on the floor of the House on June 20, 1963 by a Democrat -- Emanuel Celler of New York. I understand the willingness to make things up in the GOP fantasy bubble.

Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 60 working days, including six Saturdays.

Who was until his death a hero to the Democrats, a former KKK Grand Wizard, amazing!

"Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum. The division was geographic. The Guardian's Harry J. Enten broke down the vote, showing that more than 80% of Republicans in both houses voted in favor of the bill, compared with more than 60% of Democrats. When you account for geography, according to Enten's article, 90% of lawmakers from states that were in the Union during the Civil War supported the bill compared with less than 10% of lawmakers from states that were in the Confederacy. Enten points out that Democrats still played a key role in getting the law passed.

I just don't understand why liberals keep perpetuating this lie. Yes, they were instrumental in working with the Republicans to pass a bipartisan law to end racial discrimination, but to make it out as if they were the ultimate champions in fighting for Black rights is an absolute farce.

You omitted perhaps the greatest single civil rights move of the 20th century: the full integration of the US Armed Forces by President Truman. This marked the first time in US history that a black person could attain a position of authority over whites. Storm Thurmond was so incensed, he left the Democratic Party and was later welcomed with open arms in the newly racist Republican Party, which later implemented the southern strategy to win more white supremacists.

No, I didn't omit anything, but it seems like you did. Virginia's Democratic Rep. Howard W. Smith was a staunch segregationist and strongly opposed the Civil Rights Act. Smith, who was chairman of the House Rules Committee, came up with many tactics to discourage the passage of the bill's Title VII, which would outlaw employment discrimination because of race, color, religion or national origin. When Smith added the word "sex," the House reportedly laughed out loud. The ploy was Smith's attempt to quash support among the chamber's male chauvinists on the grounds that the bill would protect women's rights in the workplace, according to Clay Risen in his book "The Bill of the Century."

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The Klan has been on Hillary's side with endorsements and donations since last April.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/

Not big on fact checking, are you: http://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

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"I could not care less what you think is "interesting." I am not going to read or watch any of it."

That's being closed-minded, Simon.

"It's funny that you think we would take the time to look up these right-wing propaganda articles that you think are interesting."

H.A. Goodman is hardly right-wing. He's voting for Jill Stein. But he's right about Hillary being dangerous. Check it out, Stranger.

"I'd call them dangerous, not interesting."

That's because you haven't checked them out first.

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Even Ben Carson is telling Trump not to call Hillary a bigot: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/26/ben-carson-to-donald-trump-stop-calling-hillary-clinton-a-bigot.html

When Ben Carson is the voice of reason, you know Trump is way off base.

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SerranoAUG. 27, 2016 - 10:04AM JST

That's being closed-minded, Simon.

No, that's having lots of better things to do with my free time.

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Bass,

A glance at a simple map might be the boiled-down infographic you need to be able to wrap your brain around what people have been trying to get you to understand -- for years.

Let's go with something simple. Find a map of the US during the Civil War. Paint all the states that were in favor of slavery -- i.e., the Confederacy -- in the color red. Then paint all the states that were against slavery (the Union) in blue.

Now take a typical Red State/Blue State political map of today. Overlay it on top of the Civil War map. The Confederate states largely match up with today's so-call GOP "Red States."

Political leanings don't lie in the name of the party, but rather in the people. More to the point, political leanings also tend to be very closely related to geography.

Your continued assertion that today's Democratic Party is the same one that governed the Confederacy relies on the utterly imbecilic presumption that after the war, all those racist Democrats who made up Deep South resistance to desegregation literally packed up their things and moved en mass to the Blue States of the north, but kept their name.

And THEN -- because this exercise in lunacy isn't yet finished -- those liberal and progressive Republicans who made up the anti-slavery Union, living in places like Vermont, Deleware, New York, New Jersey, all packed up their things and literally relocated to the Deep South -- Georgia, the Carolinas, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky -- but kept the party name.

Southern racists move to New York to carry on their work and northern liberals moved to the south where they champion civil liberties to this day.

That's what you're saying.

Now, the JT usage policy states very clearly that insulting or disparaging other users is unacceptable. But when users here continue to peddle something so patently absurd as what you're proposing, it's really very, very, very difficult to not call out abject stupidity when it's staring me in the face.

The Deep South has always been the Deep South, Bass. Racist Americans have always lived in the Deep South. Sure they may have called themselves Democrats once upon a time. But now they call themselves Republicans. The only thing that changed was the name.

Now, the modern-day GOP is like an Internet domain squatter, trying to squeeze mileage out of what was once a respected name but is now more closely associated with anger, greed, and mean-spirited exceptionalism. Oh, yeah. And racism.

Are all Republican racist? Not by a long shot. But has the GOP actively courted voters whose lifeblood appears to be undermining civil rights in this country? Absolutely, A brief glance at pushback in affirmative action, laws calling for equal pay, unnecessary voter ID laws, shameless gerrymandering, and a host of other tactics the GOP regularly engages in to suppress the political voices of minority in America are but the tip of the iceberg of the myriad ways the GOP works to make certain non-white males stay in their place.

It's absolutely no accident at all that Trump's most ardent supporters are uneducated white males. They've got the most to lose if Trump doesn't propel them back to the top of the cultural, social, and economic heap.

My god! Dare I say it, they might even have to go out and work harder to raise themselves up out of poverty and missed opportunity.

Oh, shoot. Sorry. That's the line the GOP currently feeds to minorities in America when they dare to complain about institutionalized racism and unfairness. My bad.

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The Deep South has always been the Deep South, Bass. Racist Americans have always lived in the Deep South. Sure they may have called themselves Democrats once upon a time. But now they call themselves Republicans. The only thing that changed was the name.

Living most of my life in Georgia, I second and totally agree with this. The people around me in GA who revere symbols of the Confederacy, who refer to the Civil War as the "war of northern aggression," and who assert "the South shall rise again" are 99.9% GOP voters. Like Reagan, they claim that they did not leave the Democratic party of their forebears, but that the party "left them." And that issue of parting was when the national Democratic Party adopted civil rights and integration.

[Byrd] was until his death a hero to the Democrats, a former KKK Grand Wizard, amazing!

To this liberal Democrat, Byrd was never a "hero," but an embarrassment. I have no idea who you think you are speaking for when you make that claim. Byrd was certainly well liked by the West Virginia voters who kept returning him to office. It's a West Virginia that, like Southern states, has turned Republican over the decades. Current Klan members overwhelmingly support Republicans these days. Why don't you find that "amazing?"

As the 1964 Civil Rights Act was introduced in the House by a Democrat, it was championed through the Senate through the efforts of the Majority Whip: Hubert Humphrey. That was at a time when America had many liberal Republicans in the House and Senate. Today, the best that can be said is that there are a handful of Republican moderates -- many of whom staunchly oppose Donald Trump.

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So what does that say then to a large portion of the Black community that live in high crime areas plagued with crime? 70% come from single family homes, have some of the highest school drop out rate, can't read or write above the 8th grade level and these people vote for the same politicians again and again, so what does that make them? I just don't understand the sick obsession the Democrats and liberals have with race. It's really horrible. The problems are not if you have a degree or not, it's about how to fix these social economic and racial issues and for the last 50 years, it seems like the Dems just keep failing these people. Shame!

Now you're starting to get it.

Yeah, I think I do.

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bass: Virginia's Democratic Rep. Howard W. Smith was a staunch segregationist and strongly opposed the Civil Rights Act. Smith, who was chairman of the House Rules Committee, came up with many tactics to discourage the passage of the bill's Title VII, which would outlaw employment discrimination because of race, color, religion or national origin. When Smith added the word "sex," the House reportedly laughed out loud. The ploy was Smith's attempt to quash support among the chamber's male chauvinists on the grounds that the bill would protect women's rights in the workplace, according to Clay Risen in his book "The Bill of the Century."

Again, would the journalist of 30 years please quote his sources:

Virginia's Democratic Rep. Howard W. Smith was a staunch segregationist and strongly opposed the Civil Rights Act. Smith, who was chairman of the House Rules Committee, came up with many tactics to discourage the passage of the bill's Title VII, which would outlaw employment discrimination because of race, color, religion or national origin. When Smith added the word "sex," the House reportedly laughed out loud. The ploy was Smith's attempt to quash support among the chamber's male chauvinists on the grounds that the bill would protect women's rights in the workplace, according to Clay Risen in his book "The Bill of the Century."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/politics/civil-rights-act-interesting-facts/

If you read up on things you wouldn't have to so often steal other people's work. Mr. Journalist of 30 Years.

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So what does that say then to a large portion of the Black community that live in high crime areas plagued with crime? 70% come from single family homes, have some of the highest school drop out rate, can't read or write above the 8th grade level and these people vote for the same politicians again and again, so what does that make them?

What does that make black Americans, you ask? Well, it makes them smart. They're backing the right horse and the facts bear this out.

In 1940, 60 percent of employed black women worked as domestic servants. Today, that number is down to 2.2 percent, while 60 percent hold white-collar jobs.

More than 40 percent of black Americans now consider themselves members of the middle class.

Forty-two percent own their own homes, a figure that rises to 75 percent if we look just at black married couples.

Black two-parent families earn only 13 percent less than those who are white.

Almost a third of the black population lives in suburbia.

In 1963, the median income for black Americans in 2011 dollars was $22,226. In 2013, it was $40,495.

In 2014, home ownership for black Americans was 42.99%.

In 1970, black men lived 8.8 years less than white men. In 2013, that gap,was narrowed to 4.8 years.

In 1965, the infant mortality rate for black Americans was 41.7 per 1000 live births versus 21.5 for whites. By 2013, that rate had dropped to 11.22 for blacks versus 5.07 for whites.

In 1970, the number of black Americans age 25~29 who had graduated high school was 58.4%. In 2013, that number had improved to 90.3%

In 1967, the number of blacks age 18~24 attending a degree granting university was only 13%. By 2013, it was 36.4%.

From 1970 to 2013, black college graduates jumped from 10% to 20.5%.

From 1965 to 2015, the number of black members of Congress rose from 6 to 48.

There's even more data to show life has improved qualitatively and quantitatively for black Americans, largely due to the efforts of their elected representatives on the liberal side of the aisle.

No, America isn't done yet making certain the American dream is possible for everyone, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, or political affiliation. We've got a long way to go, but we'll get there, no matter how many wrenches the GOP tries to toss into the works in the form of capricious voter ID laws, Picasso-inspired gerrymandering, and, as we are seeing all too well with this election cycle, unabashed lying through their teeth.

Trump thinks that words of reconciliation will make everything better between black America and the GOP. But as in most things, it's actions that count. And the GOP has acted like trolls for the better part of 40 years. No one buys this B.S. Is selling. NO one.

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I really think Trump is a little late in arriving for this particular party. Did he really think his "what have you got to loose" statement would be a rallying cry? Maybe in a crap game it would be, but this the election is more than that. I suspect his remarks are reflective of his poverty of thought and ideas on issues.

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