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I'm wondering what kind of dog soon-to-be-President Obama is going to keep..?

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It made sense for Clinton to stay in the race in the event a scandal occurred against Obama that could ruin his credibility. But if the recent discovery that Obama has had a racist American-hating pastor and mentor for the last twenty years isn't scandal enough, I don't know what is. Clinton might as well give up.

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Biggest scandal I see in this race is how any rational American can think the views of a candidate's pastor even matter??

Heck, if the views of another person - in this case Pastor Wright - are the biggest dirt the Republicans can dish on Obama, he's home and hosed to be the next President.

Clinton just lends her campaign more money - this time $6.4 million, scrapes in by a whisker in Indiana and then says 'Full speed to the White House!'.

Has anybody told her the wheels have already fallen off her campaign vehicle?

Maybe she can hitch a ride? :-)

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Biggest scandal I see in this race is how any rational American can think the views of a candidate's pastor even matter

Actually, the biggest scandal I see in this race is how any rational American can think the views of this candidate's long-time pastor, mentor, and spiritual leader don't matter. Try listening to Pastor Wright's rants again. What are Americans thinking,or are they?

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Helter, why do you seem to think this is about Pastor Wright?

The candidate is Barack Obama.

If you have ever been to church, you will know there are some things you take on board, and other things you don't (the concept of 'Hell', for one).

Assuming that Obama agrees to everything Pastor Wright preaches, I think, is a little naive.

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Sushi, if a white presidential candidate went to the church of Pastor Richard Butler of Aryan Nations, would you be so cavalier about that as well? I mean, it's only his/her pastor.

Anyway, it's a shame when people make excuses for a candidate they blindly support. Hopefully the Pastor Wright issue will continue to plague Obama, as it rightfully should.

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Ofcourse she is a strong lady, won't give up so soon ! May become 1st 'Iron Lady of America'!

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Helter - "Anyway, it's a shame when people make excuses for a candidate they blindly support. Hopefully the Pastor Wright issue will continue to plague Obama, as it rightfully should."

I'll say it again - this election is about Barack Obama, not Pastor Wright.

Does Pastor Wright influence or hold any sway over Obama's ideas that may affect policies he later creates?

Unlikely. Obama is more than intelligent enough to know that wouldn't work.

Is Obama likely to turn to Pastor Wright for counsel?

Of course not.

So, why is so much light being thrown on Pastor Wright?

Here's why: the Republicans know there's nothing else of substance they can attack Obama about.

And I don't think any people on JT 'blindly support' Obama. When you look at the alternatives, especially in the Republican camp, it's pretty clear why Obama is getting so much support.

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Does Pastor Wright influence or hold any sway over Obama's ideas that may affect policies he later creates?

Let's hope we never find out.

the Republicans know there's nothing else of substance they can attack Obama about.

You got that right, there's nothing of substance with respect to Obama.

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Helter - "there's nothing of substance with respect to Obama."

Smart. That's also why he is going to be your next President.

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Sushi - If Hillary somehow pulls this out ( don't count her out yet! ) I'm not sure what kind of dog she'll keep at the White House, but I know she'll keep Bill on a short leash!

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I don't know why you people seem so posessed by Mr. Wright. This has and will never have anything to do with Mr.Obama's presidency. The same Mr wright was the man councelling the Clitons while they were going through their marital problems. Mr. Obama is is a very discent man that he doesn't want to bring in this kind of old dirty politics. He could even have brough in the Peter Paul scandle the clintons are facing right now but thats not what is important.

Sorry all you Obama haters.Ms Hillbill is out!

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Some have surmised that HRC is holding on for another week or so to incur more expenses in order to recoup her investment, as traditionally the eventual nominee (Obama in this case) pays off the debts of any challengers.

"...if a white presidential candidate went to the church of Pastor Richard Butler of Aryan Nations..." Helter, as a matter of fact, John McCain sought the support of noted anti-semite and anti Catholic pastor John Hagee, who has called Roman Catholicism "the Great Whore" and equated the pope with the Anti-Christ. But apparently the main stream media in the States cuts more slack to candidates who associate with far-right white evangelical preachers...

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Professor - "I don't know why you people seem so posessed by Mr. Wright."

As I hinted at in an earlier post, it's because the Republicans don't have anything else they can pin on Obama.

They can only feign 'outrage' at what someone else says and thinks while trying, in vain, I might add, to portray a very questionable connection between the pastor and Obama.

That's what is so hilarious about the Repulbicans' position :-)

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I love it when the North Americans on this site start bitching with each other about US politics. Isn't Hilary weakening the Democrats chance of a united vote against McCain ? In the UK a political party (Labour or Conservative or Liberal) would stop a candidate from weakening their party vote by being too selfish with their own chances. The party would have the power to force a candidate from doing what Hilary is doing.

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Northlondon - "In the UK a political party (Labour or Conservative or Liberal).."

This isn't the UK.

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When a candidate "loans" money to its' campaign, by what means do they expect these funds to be re-imboursed, win or lose?

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NorthLondon

"I love it when the North Americans on this site start bitching with each other about US politics."

Heh, this is nada mate. Just wait until the democrats finally get over this stupidity and throw their weight behind the candidate. Then wait to see how the JT adherent's to the red-eyed, extreme right starts to hyper-ventilate....

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SushiSake,

You don't say. It was a bit obvious that I was making a comparison. I was hoping for a little more interesting debate.

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"In the UK a political party (Labour or Conservative or Liberal)..."

You lot are ruled from Brussels. Why bother with comparisons?

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super d,

Why bother at all then. Maybe just allow very rich individuals to ruin the chances of a political party for their own career means. Oh, and Brussels doesn't rule on UK electoral law by the way. For your info.

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anti-semite and anti Catholic pastor John Hagee

John Hagee anti-Semitic? Upnorth, best not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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Helter_Skelter : Upnorth is correct, John Hagee is said those things..

We will hear more about him once the general election comes around I am sure, however, as I understand it, McCain has never really attended anything of John Hagee. It was just that John Hagee opened his mouth and said he is throwing his support behind him. I don't think you can really choose who throws support your way. Even Obama had Farrakhan throw his support behind him.

One thing I find very troubling in this election is that we have these three candidates throwing insults and accusations at each other. Once it is all over, how the hell can they work together for a common cause?

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Upnorth is correct, John Hagee is said those things..

Skip, I'm specifically questioning upnorth's claim that Hagee is an anti-Semite. From what I know about Hagee, this is completely false. So as far as I'm concerned, it makes everything else upnorth has to say irrelevant, right or wrong.

And as you stated, there's a huge difference between Hagee's support for McCain and Wright and Obama's years of association. The main reason Obama fans are unaffected by Pastor Wright's statements is because they too hate America and need to perpetuate racism for political gain.

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Helter: "The main reason Obama fans are unaffected by Pastor Wright's statements is because they too hate America and need to perpetuate racism for political gain." Well, that is what I was trying to spell out yesterday. If Obama is going to run and racism is everything platform, he is going to scare a lot of working class whites away and he needs them and technically, he should have them running to him.

I think Hillary should drop out and go indy!

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A barack presidency means Americans might as well paint a target on our backs. From "Audacity of Hope": "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

RR

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"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Explains his opposition to liberating Iraq from a tyrant who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people - fellow Mohammedans - but could make good with the Ummah by cynically donating a 20,000 dollars to the families of "Palestinian" suicide bombers.

IOW, he'll condone, enable and exploit the most ancient and unreasonable hatreds if it can serve his political ends.

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The candidate is Barack Obama.

True, but originally "Rev." Wright was Barry's condom against the Muslim charge.

"why do you seem to think this is about Pastor Wright?"

Because about 6 weeks ago Barry said everyone needed to understand "Rev." Wright, that we all needed to realize his anger was real and we all needed to open our hearts.

Now, Barry has changed his mind and rendered his now-famous "race speech" moot.

I'll give hillary her due: Unlike most democrats she's a fighter instead of a quitter. Heh ... if you think hillary isn't playing nice, wait until Barry faces the GOP. With no Senate voting record other than "present", they're going to make hillary look like a walk in a tulip garden.

RR

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She'll decide when to get out.

She's got a plan for something. VP or something.

But it's just eating the republicans to no end.

They can't send out the attack dogs, yet. They are hungry to get at it.

Heh Heh Heh!!! I love it.

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adaydream:

But it's just eating the republicans to no end. They can't send out the attack dogs, yet. They are hungry to get at it. Heh Heh Heh!!! I love it.

As I've told you before, all one has to do is campaign against Marxism and you're automatically campaigning against both of them. The only difference that American leftists can see between the two is superficial; the issue of identity politics.

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That's how you see it. Kewl.

But it still the fact that the republicans are so thirsty for their democratic opposition to name the candidate they get to slam.

Dirt Diggers, Inc.

New republican money for an old republican tactic.

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She needs to drop out for the good of the party!I would not mind a woman as President but not Hillary. Personally I do not want her in the White House unless she agrees not to let Bill back in. I am somewhat tired of Clntons and Bushes dominating the American polital scene. It is time for a change.

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The comments Write made are relevant. And it is a knock against Obama since he's known him for so long. Obviously he must have had some inclination about how Wright feels.

But in the end it just doesn't register as much of a blip on the radar to me. The Presidency has too many checks and balances to think that someone would be able to take any kind of radical position on much of anything, and that's even if Obama were to take a radical position, which I don't think he would. In the end it just doesn't generate any fear for me.

Karl Rove was a much greater danger to Americans and he had direct access to the White House. Pastor Wright is just some guy that wouldn't even get in the front door. End of story for me.

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Stay in. Keep up the pressure. Don't give up. Look at Huckabee. He stayed in, but was pressured to get out. How 'bout Ron Paul? I heard he's still in.

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adaydream:

But it still the fact that the republicans are so thirsty for their democratic opposition to name the candidate they get to slam.

Really? I'm not. In fact, every right-wing pundit I've read has not only cheered the DNC quagmire, they've cheered it on. A few (Rush Limbaugh, most notably) have even encouraged cross-voting (insurgent voting?) to drag the quagmire out even longer.

Dirt Diggers, Inc. New republican money for an old republican tactic.

And Democrats are as innocent and pure as a newborn babe, eh? They would never stoop to dirty tactics such as going through a conservative's garbage, right? Maybe you should ask Michael Steele about that.

SuperLib:

Pastor Wright is just some guy that wouldn't even get in the front door. End of story for me.

Yeah, Obama has finally done what he said he could never do - disown Wright. But, there are plenty of America-hating communists and anarchists in Obama's circle of friends and advisors to keep him and his voluntary team of forum translators explaining, nuancing, a parsing through October.

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But whitehawk the US is a nation ultimately governed by laws. And for every Pastor Wright you can find I can probably find a few hundred Bill Richardsons to counter. As I said Wright's comments are relevant but Obama and the Presidency don't live in the vacuum that those critical of Obama would like us to believe.

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Uhm, heh - super_delegat,

"his opposition to liberating Iraq from a tyrant who killed hundreds of thousands of his own people"

Yeah - and instead they now have terror-filled chaotic lives with no end in sight and the US unable to control the mess it made, hundreds of thousands dead in a much shorter space of time than the tyrant and this will more than likely end up with US withdrawl and a transition to Islamic fundie governance.

Heh, no wonder your future president, Mr Barack Obama, opposed the disaterous invasion. The "liberation" only exists in the minds of the few remaining members of the Mr 20%'s sect.

Clinton should give in now and hope Obama will give her a job.

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Um, heh, adverts, "this will more than likely end up with US withdrawal and a transition to Islamic fundie governance"

Yeah, if Obama wins. But even he said he'll send U.S. troops back in if he finds out al-Qaida is in Iraq. McCain's already tried telling him that al-Qaida is in Iraq now, but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

"Clinton should give in now"

What for?! Before the super delegates have made their decision? She's not an idiot, you know.

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Go Barack!

He's winning all over the place!

Who really cares what the numbers look like when you subtract the 90 percent support he gets from that one voting bloc that supports him solely because he is black!

It feels good!

Take that, Bush!

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Uhm, heh....super - the clifftop beckons.

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Uh, sarge,

"But even he said he'll send U.S. troops back in if he finds out al-Qaida is in Iraq"

What do you mean "if he finds out" that they're there??

They're already there.

George W Bush's invasion put 'em there.

I guess this is why the many Americans who've managed to extract themselves back to Reality after the last eight years of b/s from Mr 20%'s regime are going to vote for Senator Obama, and not Senator Clinton, and certainly not that other republican guy, heh, whatever his name was.

Oh, and she should give in because she is going to lose. And it would end the suspense and heartbreak on not knowing which Democrat will be the next prez...

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Uh, adverts,

"They're already there."

You know that, and I know that, and McCain knows that, but apparently Obaama still doesn't know that.

"George W Bush's invasion put 'em there"

No, they took advantage of a power vaccum due to infighting among the various Iraq factions. ( good grief, do I have to explain everything? )

"she ( Hillary ) is going to lose"

Have you cleared that with the super delegates?

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"No, they took advantage of a power vaccum due to infighting among the various Iraq factions. ( good grief, do I have to explain everything? )"

Yes, like I said and you just confirmed, the so-called war on terror actually put 'em there. Another od Mr 20%'s Miserable Failure's.

Thanks for pointing that out, uh, heh - sarge.

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Uh, heh - adverts, I didn't confirm anything you said, we didn't put al-Qaida in Iraq, they skittered over there like the cockroaches they are all on their own. And what did the Mod say about using the term "Mr 20%"?

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SuperLib:

But whitehawk the US is a nation ultimately governed by laws. And for every Pastor Wright you can find I can probably find a few hundred Bill Richardsons to counter. As I said Wright's comments are relevant but Obama and the Presidency don't live in the vacuum that those critical of Obama would like us to believe.

Not to sound too much like a grumpy old man, but there are times when it seems more like the U.S. is governed by people who create laws for everyone but themselves.

In any case, the difference between Wright and Richardson is that Richardson is indicative of the people that seek out Obama, while Wright (and Ayers, Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, Cornell West, and possibly Rezko - among many, many others) is indicative of the people Obama seeks out.

As for the presidency and vacuums, the Clintons did a pretty good job of creating one for themsleves by surrounding themselves with loyal Arkansas friends and associates, not to mention replacing all 93 federal judges with ones loyal to them.

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Before this campaign began, I favored neither Mr. Obama nor Mrs. Clinton. That was then. Now, I fear that Mrs. Clinton and her campaign plan to hold the Democratic party hostage. It seems that they have coldly calculated that her best chance to win the nomination lies in convincing the super delegates that she is both capable and willing to destroy the party to get the nomination. And that Mr. Obama is not.

Do not let her. Write your state super delegates and the DNC. Let them know that you, a voting democrat, will not countenance Clinton's attempt to subvert the primary process and steal the nomination. Let the Democratic Party leaders know that you will bolt if they deny us, the voters, the final say in who we put up. So write your super delegates. You can find those who have decided here:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

Write the one's who have not endorsed Obama to do so. Write the ones who have endorsed Clinton to follow McGovern's lead and switch to Obama. Write the ones who have endorsed Obama to say good job, and get them to pressure the previous two to endorse Obama.

Feel free to use the following as you wish:

I am writing to you as a deeply concerned American and Democrat.

It is now clearly time for Hillary Clinton to bow-out for the good of our party. Though Tuesday’s primary results should have ended all debate, Mrs. Clinton obdurately refuses to respect the rules and results of our nominating process.

I reject such cynical machinations. Mr. Obama has secured the most pledged delegates and the plurality of the popular vote. I find Clinton’s disregard of both the rules and results of our nominating process disturbing. Obama is the rightful nominee. I view Mrs. Clinton's placing of private interest above party and national interest odious. Therefore, I have come to the difficult decision that if Mrs. Clinton secures the nomination through super delegates, I will not vote for her this fall. Further, I never again vote for any of the super delegate who appeases Mrs. Clinton in order to prevent her from destroying our party.

You are a super delegate. I ask that you respect the rules and results of our nominating process and endorse Mr. Obama. I also urge you to contact (your) super delegates that have endorsed Hillary Clinton. I ask you to urge them follow George McGovern’s example and switch their endorsement to Mr. Obama. Specifically, please contact:

Only in this way can we concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House in November.

With best regards,

XXXX XXXXXX

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time to quit hillary? YES

statistically she cant catch up in pledged delegates and if shes counting on the superdelegates to switch over and vote for her, shes dreaming. the superdelegates aren't going to vote against the popular vote...if they did that would be the end of the democratic party. i hope she quits soon and saves obama the extra trouble.

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SuperLib at 01:26 PM JST - 9th May, But whitehawk the US is a nation ultimately governed by laws.

WhiteHawk at 06:14 AM JST - 9th May, there are plenty of America-hating communists and anarchists in Obama's circle of friends and advisors

SuperLib, where's the Bill of Rights? The Constitution has no mandate permitting the 3 branch of American government to make law without the preconditions of the Bill of Rights! WhiteHawk, what do you want from the poor man? The democratic party has progressively embraced socialism as its Party platform since Wilson made a Central Bank and joined the US to a european alliance, and FDR made the Federal government the largest employer in the country. You people need to stop your knee jerk reactions and do your homework.

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