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Tick tock ....

The only question now is which scandal brings him down first.

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Putin already admitted it at the "Treason summit". Then the Whitehouse later tried to erase the transcripts and cover it up.

White House addresses Trump-Putin transcript issue, says it was not 'malicious'

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/07/26/helsinki-transcript-white-house-says-audio-issues-were-blame/832909002/

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"The Treason Summit."

Yeah, so treasonous to be diplomatic at a summit whilst doing more to contain Russia than Obama did.

"The only question now is which scandal brings him down first."

I've tallied the total number of votes Trump will lose in the 2020 election because of these "scandals."

The grand total is...zero. Hee hee! BTW, whatever happened to Stormy?

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The Treason Summit."

Yeah, so treasonous to be diplomatic at a summit whilst doing more to contain Russia than Obama did.

"The only question now is **which scandal brings him down first."**

I've tallied the total number of votes Trump will lose in the 2020 election because of these "scandals." 

The grand total is...zero. Hee hee! BTW, whatever happened to Stormy?

'I've tallied '...said the poster watching his thumb covered with ice cream :)

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He cannot be believed. If they rely on him ... it would destroy whatever case they have.

Giuliani is clutching at straws here. Whether one believes what he says is irrelevant; what matters is the hard data he's brought. He could be used for collaborative testimony, but really, he's a small fish swept up. What they swept up along with him is highly interesting, though - and it brought us to the chairman of the Trump Foundation. That will be a fountain that makes Cohen look like a trickle.

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Cohen didn’t say anything.

CNN, citing unnamed sources with knowledge of the matter, said

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Laguna - What they swept up along with him is highly interesting, though - and it brought us to the chairman of the Trump Foundation. 

Yup. Heh, it's going to be fun watch the rats viciously turn on one another the next few months as Mueller works his way up the food chain. I only hope he survives long enough to annihilate the insane Republican party once and for all.

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Oh course Trump knew. You'd have to be a sucker to think otherwise.

But Trump will be fine. His minions will continue to lie for him. That's why he values loyalty....to protecting him.

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This article left out 2 important things that CNN said:

“To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account.”

-and-

“According to people who have discussed the matter with Cohen, he has expressed hope that this claim about the Trump Tower meeting will help him reach out to Mueller and possibly lessen his legal troubles.”

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Terrific news, this slow, constant drip of revelations & pressure on that criminal in the White House.

I wonder who’s up next?

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I’ve tallied the total number of votes Trump will lose

Very industrious. Make yourself more useful by tallying the total number of lies from the swamp creatures involving Russia.

Use the calculator on your phone. Turn it 90 degrees so you get a wider screen.

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If Cohen is a proven liar (as per Giuliani), was he lying too when he was Trump's lawyer and Trump called him a good man?

What would push a lawyer to record their conversation with Trump anyways?

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Cohen didn’t say anything.

CNN, citing unnamed sources with knowledge of the matter, said

Uh, also in the article:

Michael Cohen said that Trump knew in advance about a June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower

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I'm SOOO glad Giuliani is now a lawyer for Trump!

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Trump's team has lied about this Russian meeting numerous times.

Why? And what do Trump fans get out of defending the lies?

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Uh no, CNN likes to say Michael Cohen “said” when they are talking about what their anonymous sources tell CNN that Cohen told them.

Thats their fake news way of tricking people.

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If this is in fact what Cohen said, as opposed to just anonymous sources who at times have turned out to be inaccurate about Trump in the past, he better have an audio recording of it. Everyone else is denying this claim.

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“To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account.”

Yes, under oath.

Trump could consider doing the same, except that after months of whining about a witch hunt and claiming that answering anything under oath amounts to a "perjury trap", he'll just have to cede that ground to Cohen and anyone else who Mueller or the FBI manages to flip.

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Well, if CNN reports it, then we can all take this as more garbage.

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Everyone else is denying this claim.

Everyone else being?

If you mean Trump, Kushner, Manafort, and Donald Trump Jr, who were all present at the meeting, it's not much of a lineup. Manafort's in jail awaiting trial; Trump Jr lied multiple times about the meeting; Kushner lied about the meeting, and Trump, who lies about everything, lied about his dictated statement full of lies about the content of the meeting, which was passed off Trump Jr own words in defence of himself

To bring in some more liars, Sekulov lied about Trump's involvement in dictating the statement, and Lewandowski lied about Trump's whereabouts on the day of the meeting, attempting to place him in Florida for a nonexistent rally, when Trump was actually in Trump Tower where the meeting took place.

These people's stories have all fallen apart, and their credibility, not that they ever really had any, is is shot to crap.

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Trump administration operates as a CRIME SYNDICATE, with Trump as the GODFATHER -- give him your loyalty and kiss his ring, and he will do you a favor. However his ratings are plunging down the toilet. Pretty soon he will be singing, "And now, the end is near, and so I face, the final curtain ..."

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Trump fans won't even touch the dozen or so lies over this incident. That's why Trump lies and will continue to lie to them.

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I didn’t vote for Trump the person. Even if I would have, he is better than Hillary the person.

I voted for what he said he would do, not who he is or was. All that was on the ballot in 2016 and he won anyway.

Simply don’t care about a billionaire’s personal life in 2006 when I am getting 4.1% GDP, 50 billion reduction in trade deficit, strong immigration policy, record unemployment, record stock markets and progress with N Korea.

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I voted for what he said he would do, not who he is or was. All that was on the ballot in 2016 and he won anyway. so even if their is evidence that he colluded with the Russians lied to protect his name / wealth, lied to hide his affairs or maybe even had somebody disappear to keep them quiet, this is all excusable as long a Hillary didn't become POTUS. thats beyond sad. a dummy vote would have been the better option

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I voted for what he said he would do, not who he is or was. All that was on the ballot in 2016 and he won anyway. a mass murderer could be POTUS and people dont care as long as he does the job!?, you do know that being POTUS isnt just about results its also about strong world leadership (no not just dictating) and morality.

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Unless Mueller comes up with evidence of collusion at this short meeting, who knew about and when is irrelevant. Unless of course the goal is to snare Trump in a perjury trap. Trump knows what Mueller is up to. Given the pass that Hillary was given for her crimes and for her involvement in the dossier that was used to try to get him impeached, I’d tell the Special Counsel to go jump in a lake.

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Still no Trump fans will speak out about all the lies in the meeting with the Russians. I guess it's just something you have to do to make America great again.

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Does anyone honestly believe that your average Trump voters cares if he knowingly colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary Clinton? Despite our regular apologists many posts saying it didn't happen, let's cut to the chase. They don't care if it did. They wouldn't care if pedophiles or Saudi pilots helped to defeat Clinton, a bland unappealing centrist hawk who miraculously in their Fox-addled brains is the equivalent of Stalin on acid.

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The only question now is which scandal brings him down first.

This is hardly a scandal. He has no proof! Lawyer and liar kind of sound the same.

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The noose tightens as the plot thickens.

Whatever Mueller has, it must be something pretty damning. The rats are in a panic to abandon ship.

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We also now why CNN was barred from a WH event. We also know why Dump made the statement about Iran to distract from the erased transcripts and Cohen report.

In addition, everyone who disagree with Cohen's account have all been proven liars in public about the meeting. Basically, everyone who was there like Dump Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and the Russian lawyer. Trump was also proven liar about the meeting. He even said that it didn't matter that he lied to the press because it wasn't infront of a judicial higher authority which is why he doesnt want to talk to Mueller unless Mueller agrees not to ask questions about obstruction.

Remember, Al Capone didn't go to jail because of the ruthless and violent crimes that he committed as mob boss. He went to jail for tax evasion. Mueller understands that more than the Dump fans.

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@yakyak etal He has no proof!

The Putin cry of 'Can't prove it! Can't prove it!'.

Nor do you have 'proof', unless you're a deep insider in one of the world's few intelligence agencies able to have access to direct evidence.

The rest of us just voice opinions, which we're still permitted to do. Maybe not those in Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other totalitarian states.

Rightists in the US and 'abroad', including those favoring one of the aforementioned states, continue to try to undermine a free, for-profit press and also US intelligence agencies. As does Trump.

Let the investigations run their course. Let's wait and see what can be proved in a court of law.

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Still no Trump fans will speak out about all the lies in the meeting with the Russians. 

Anything to keep the Dems out.

Anything.

Even if the next election in the States was a democrat vs. Putin, Republicans would vote for Putin just to keep the Dems out.

That's how broken America is.

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Does anyone honestly believe that your average Trump voters cares if he knowingly colluded with Russia to defeat Hillary Clinton? Despite our regular apologists many posts saying it didn't happen, let's cut to the chase. They don't care if it did. They wouldn't care if pedophiles or Saudi pilots helped to defeat Clinton, a bland unappealing centrist hawk who miraculously in their Fox-addled brains is the equivalent of Stalin on acid.

Nope, because they still believe that President Obama was a Muslim born in Kenyan which made him ineligible to become president even though having an American mother automatically made him American. They voted for Trump out of spite, so instead of being proven wrong again, they will just ignore everything that contradicts their beliefs because it makes things too complicated when they are wrong like a religious belief system. Surprisingly, Dumps main supporters are Evangelicals who don't care that he breaks every rule that they supposedly believe in because they want to feel like winners because they believe that because they are Evangelicals then their religion makes them right about all things.

It is a sense of authority from a false sense of superiority like race relations in the US.

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*Let the investigations run their course. Let's wait and see what can be proved in a court of law.*

I think you need to read the headline: "Cohen says Trump knew about Trump Tower meeting with Russians" Cohen has already admitted that he has no proof.It's his word against Trumps. It's only tabloid fodder at the moment, and yes, let's just wait and see what the outcome will be.

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One of the Russian attendees, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has since admitted to working for Russian President Vladimir Putin as a Kremlin informant.

A memo sent from Trump's legal counsel to Mueller's team revealed that the president himself had dictated that initial statement to the Times about the meeting..

*Trump's attack on Cohen followed two other tweets on Friday morning, in which he ripped Mueller's team for reportedly examining his Twitter statements as part of a wide-ranging investigation into whether *Trump obstructed justice by intimidating witnesses.

Manafort's trial is next week! Nobody has to go tell jail for collusion, but everybody is being indicted for corruption with the details for collusion sprinkled on top.

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Trump fans won't even touch the dozen or so lies over this incident. That's why Trump lies and will continue to lie to them.

So what do you want us to do?

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Well, if he’s lying about something,and you know he is lying about something, don’t cheer.

We’ll go from there.

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Well, if he’s lying about something,and you know he is lying about something, don’t cheer.

We’ll go from there.

That's a good start.

Personally, I wouldn't accept regular lying by my leaders - I would abandon them and criticize them non-stop.

That's the difference between support of policy, and support of personality.

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Gotcha, so it’s about making liberals feel good. As you may know or maybe not know, lying to the media is not a crime, not even an impeachable offense. So any mad hopes of getting him out of office on this is just wasting everyone’s time and the liberal media knows that.

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Personally, I wouldn't accept regular lying by my leaders - I would abandon them and criticize them non-stop.

You have got to be kidding me! Wow!

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bass4funkToday 08:42 am JST

As you may know or maybe not know, lying to the media is not a crime, not even an impeachable offense.

Then it's okay by you and presumably you wouldn't have any objection to politicians you dislike doing it?

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Then it's okay by you and presumably you wouldn't have any objection to politicians you dislikedoing it?

I never said that. But I do believe in giving people the benefit of a doubt.

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Uh no, CNN likes to say Michael Cohen “said” when they are talking about what their anonymous sources tell CNN that Cohen told them. 

Thats their fake news way of tricking people.

Just to be clear - you are saying Michael Cohen never said this stuff? This is all just a bunch of lies put out by the MSM?

And when Cohen actually testifies to that effect you are still going to stick to that “he never said that” line, or is that when you shift to insisting he is lying? And then when corroborating evidence confirms that what he says actually happened, are you going to shift to insisting that it doesn’t matter anyway because Trump good, liberals bad?

I am just assuming that is how it will go based on previous patterns.

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Of course, low information leftists with an IQ of a pencil eraser will treat this revelation du jour based on unnamed sources as gospel. When this latest attempt to remove President Trump from office crashes and burns, all the passengers in the liberal clown car will be forced to once again scream helplessly at the sky.

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Remember, Al Capone didn't go to jail because of the ruthless and violent crimes that he committed as mob boss. He went to jail for tax evasion. Mueller understands that more than the Dump fans.

So the goal is to impeach Trump, and remove him from office, and not to prove he colluded with the Russians? We already know Hillary paid money to Russian intelligence agents to make solacious and unverifiable charges in order to win the 2016 election. Those allegations were then politicized and used to go after Trump. Mueller isn’t interested in her all but admitted collusion. If the goal is to get Trump, then his reason for disinterest is obvious.

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I will believe Michael Cohen said it when he actually says it. Not an anonymous person running to CNN saying he said it months ago.

dems and liberals now saying Cohen has “credibility”. So later when he says something on another tape that you don’t like? Too bad you have to accept it as truth because you made him “credible” over an anonymous CNN comment. Seems you would be more careful and not fall into the trap being set.

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Don’t trust rich people.

dont trust polititions.

dont trust lawyers.

dont trust religions.

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Bass: As you may know or maybe not know, lying to the media is not a crime, not even an impeachable offense.

Well you should be fine if he’s only lying to the media and not to you.

Black: dems and liberals

Dems and liberals aren’t involved in this. This is your guy having a very public spat with his former lawyer. His choice,

And Trump has quoted anonymous sources and has been one himself. Do you, at the very least, see how some might think his hypocrisy erodes the credibility of his message?

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Unless Mueller comes up with evidence of collusion at this short meeting, who knew about and when is irrelevant.

No. It's unquestionably relevant to the Mueller investigation, which has been established with the purpose of investigating "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump".

It would be more accurate to say that the meeting couldn't be more relevant. It was even sold to Donald Trump Jr as follows: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump", to which he raised no objection and suggested no correction but simply replied "Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

Unless of course the goal is to snare Trump in a perjury trap.

The only "trap" here is Trump's history of lying, and inability to not lie. To avoid that, he can refuse to be subpoenaed, and refuse to testify. But not without consequences: it leaves Mueller to amass his evidence from other people who he can subpoena, and Trump's side of the story goes untold - except on Twitter, which doesn't count. Well, it does count too, but Mueller can decide which tweets add to the overall picture and which don't (and with all the lies and contradictions, it's rich pickings). Trump and Giuliani will have no say in that. If they complain (which Trump has been doing nonstop for the last year anyway), they will simply be reminded that they rejected the opportunity to formally answer the questions that Mueller did want to ask.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/politics/questions-mueller-wants-to-ask-trump-russia.html

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Dems are most certainly involving themselves

http://www.wktv.com/content/national/489389471.html

Dem lawmaker: Cohen 'not a heroic figure' but has credibility

No I don’t see how Trump using any sources he wants is a problem. Because we know he has access to that information as President.

CNN doesn’t have that access and have been caught on fake news or misleading statements too many times.

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No honor among thieves...lairs or anything.

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Liberals are chasing champagne dreams and caviar wishes yet again. They obviously are unaware the Mueller handed the Cohen case off to the SDNY months ago. If he thought Cohen had any impeachable evidence on our president, he would have announced it by now.

But, hey, let the leftists hyperventilate believing CNN has finally found the smoking gun that will topple President Trump. Most of the country is laughing at them.

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"(Cohen) cannot be believed. ... If they rely on him ... it would destroy whatever case they have."

Rudy Giuliani

If that's the case, then you might as well stop questioning anybody else in the Trump Organization because they're all a bunch of liars from top to bottom.

Mueller is probably following the money more than anything else, and that's where the rubber meets the road, or in this case where the Trump Organization meets the Putin Organization. How else can Trump's apparent man-crush on Putin treasonous statements in Helsinki be explained?

Just keep on following the money.

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If he thought Cohen had any impeachable evidence on our president, he would have announced it by now

You cannot conceive of even a single other possibility? Not one? Not even the possibility that you don’t know all the details, so there may be a very good reason that you just are not yet privy to?

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Of course knew all about it. He's a traitor and his true colors are shining thru that unbrilliant disguise.

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"But, hey, let the leftists hyperventilate believing CNN has finally found the smoking gun that will topple President Trump. Most of the country is laughing at them."

Mueller found something on Cohen in his own recordings with someone and Mueller thinks he has leverage to get something on Trump. Mueller is going to go down in history as the man who conducted a pathetic witch hunt against President Trump.

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Texas A&M AggieToday 12:20 pm JST

If he thought Cohen had any impeachable evidence on our president, he would have announced it by now.

That's your expert legal opinion?

But, hey, let the leftists hyperventilate believing CNN has finally found the smoking gun that will topple President Trump. Most of the country is laughing at them.

I'm not sure why that would be when most of the country voted for someone else. You don't like the idea of being in a minority?

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"(Cohen) cannot be believed. ... If they rely on him ... it would destroy whatever case they have."

Rudy Giuliani

Paraphrase:

Rudy: My client’s long-time lawyer and confidante is not credible because he has spent so many years lying on behalf of my client, who is credible.

LOL!

@Texas Aggie

Liberals are chasing champagne dreams and caviar wishes yet again. They obviously are unaware the Mueller handed the Cohen case off to the SDNY months ago. If he thought Cohen had any impeachable evidence on our president, he would have announced it by now.

But, hey, let the leftists hyperventilate believing CNN has finally found the smoking gun that will topple President Trump. Most of the country is laughing at them.

Mueller doesn't have to charge Dump with collusion. He just has to charge him with a crime. Crimes that Cohen would be more than aware of. How did things turn out for Al Capone? That also includes the rest of the family and associates. How many people have been indicted? How many have plead guilty? Where is Manafort? Cohen?

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Only 32 perecent have a favorable view of Mueller. Mueller also has nothing to do with the Cohen case, as he turned it over to other prosecutors who have yet to indict. Now Mueller is left scouring Twitter to try to find something on Trump. Wrap it up.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17460046/robert-mueller-trump-russia-poll

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How many have been indicted for something Trump was personally involved with? Zero.

75% of the total Mueller indictments are of random Russians who may only exist online.

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And the investigation isn’t even done!

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Blacklabel wrote:

"75% of the total Mueller indictments are of random Russians who may only exist online."

The prosecutor said in court that the fraud investigation concerned Butina’s romantic partner from Sioux Falls. Though the court case against Butina, 29, doesn’t identify the man by name, at the time of her arrest she was living with GOP conservative activist Paul Erickson, 56, of South Dakota. Federal officials said Erickson reached out to Trump campaign leaders in a bid to establish a “back channel” between the campaign and the Kremlin, The New York Times reported.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/accused-spy-maria-butina-cooperating-040321338.html

It's karaoke week. Everybody is singing!!!

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Dump has told us Cohen is a good man. A decent, honest, honorable lawyer. And we all know Trump only hires the best. I believe Cohen. He's the best.

Here’s how the president’s claims have evolved over the past year.

1) Trump said he didn’t draft his son’s initial statement about the meeting.

2) He was involved in drafting the statement but didn’t personally dictate it.

3) Trump’s legal team said that he personally dictated the statement. (The same team that later recused themselves. Dump later said it didn't matter that he lied in his statement to the press.)

4) Giuliani reverses course and says that Trump actually didn’t dictate the statement.

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This is almost as damaging as the release of his tax returns by Rachel Maddow. Hee Hee!

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Only 32 perecent have a favorable view of Mueller.

According to your up/down votes, you have a 100% disapproval rating here. But it's okay, you don't have to 'wrap it up' because it's irrelevant, right? Special counsels needn't concern themselves with polls and desperate twitter bleats, only facts.

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Conspired with a foreign government to subvert the American elections, lied about it (big surprise), then obstructed the investigation into the conspiracy. Sure, let's let him continue to be the leader of the free world.

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Mueller already knew that he knew because of his famous tweet the Friday before that weekend meeting when he told everyone that he would have lots of news about Clinton on Monday (then of course he never had any news ) so the question isn't did he know but how can we prove it! Now maybe they have their way of proving it !!!! Remember the article about scouring Dump's tweets? It is about the obstruction!

Mueller Examining Trump’s Tweets in Wide-Ranging Obstruction Inquiry

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/politics/trump-tweets-mueller-obstruction.html

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Yet I have 24 total upvotes since yesterday morning. Another liberal math and logic failure.

Plus no one needs to approve of me as it’s my opinion.

But if the special counsel has no public support then it’s just an annoyance and it’s done. He doesn’t exist for his opinion he exists to prove what was accused 2 years ago.

Less than 1% of people in the Gallup poll last week picked this Russia nonsense as a primary concern.

According to your up/down votes, you have a 100% disapproval rating here. 

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Liberal legend Dershowitz about Tweets being reviewed to create crimes. (summary, it’s pathetic)

The New York Times has reported that, according to three sources, special counsel Robert Mueller is trying to stitch together an obstruction of justice case against President Trump based on his public tweets, TV appearances, conversations with public officials and other entirely lawful acts. If this is true, it suggests that there is no "smoking gun" or fire, not even any kindling. It suggests that all Mueller seems to have is some dry twigs from which he is trying to build a bonfire. The Times' headline - "Mueller looking for Obstruction in Trump Tweets" - should raise a red flag for all civil libertarians. This is exactly the kind of creative manufacturing of crimes from innocent - indeed, constitutionally protected acts - that endangers the liberties of all Americans.

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The interesting thing about Cohen's arrest is it reaches into Dump’s business dealings. Remember that red line that Dump drew? Which means it can ensnare all the kiddies and other associates. Somebody will be singing soon enough. You can't pardon people if you are the president also being indicted in connection to said crime!

ALL Presidential candidates should be required to show Income Tax returns for the prior 5 years, to make sure there's no conflicts of interest or compromising arrangements that could affect their Integrity.

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What the low information CNN disciples are not being told is like with Cohen, Mueller has passed off all the legal cases presented to him to other departments; places like the counter intelligence division that has zero prosecutorial powers.

Mueller's tombstone will one day read: "I would've found something if I just had more time. . . . ."

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@TexasAggie

What the low information CNN disciples are not being told is like with Cohen, Mueller has passed off all the legal cases presented to him to other departments; places like the counter intelligence division that has zero prosecutorial powers.

He doesn't have to prosecute everyone on one charge by himself. He just has to protect the US from criminals both domestic and abroad, and like any good team player he is sharing all the information that he is gathering which you know nothing about to other departments and agencies who can use that intel to solve or prevent further crimes against the US. He is casting his nets and is catching all kinds of fish some big some small. If there was no crimes being committed then there would be no trials, no indictments or no convictions thus far. But, we that there are! :)

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Of course he knew about the meeting. As if Don Jr. would/could arrange such a meeting at Trump Tower without Daddy knowing about it......

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Well you should be fine if he’s only lying to the media and not to you

Yup.

The only "trap" here is Trump's history of lying, and inability to not lie. To avoid that, he can refuse to be subpoenaed, and refuse to testify.

Exactly!

But not without consequences: it leaves Mueller to amass his evidence from other people who he can subpoena, and Trump's side of the story goes untold - except on Twitter, which doesn't count.

Ok and then what?

Well, it does count too, but Mueller can decide which tweets add to the overall picture and which don't (and with all the lies and contradictions, it's rich pickings).

Ok and then?

Trump and Giuliani will have no say in that. If they complain (which Trump has been doing nonstop for the last year anyway), they will simply be reminded that they rejected the opportunity to formally answer the questions that Mueller did want to ask.

Giuliani has stated over and over that if Mueller can prove that this so called investigation is not a witch hunt, he would allow the President to speak to Mueller, if he can’t then he is not dumb enough to allow Trump to walk into a perjury trap, not going to happen with this desperate bunch.

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Cohen has no proof or even evidence, and he's in his own deep-guano level of legal trouble and thus has every reason to try to deal himself out of it.

But hey, let's believe him anyway.

Just the latest symptom in the progression of the disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

There is a cure, though: get over the fact that Hillary lost, and while you may disagree with Trump (I do at times) and even express that disagreement in a mature manner, respect the fact that he's president. You know, like most of us on the right did with Obama.

Speaking of which, it's just been revealed that Obama as president approved of a $200,000 federal grant to an organization in Sudan with terrorist ties that were known about at the time. And unlike Cohen's claim, this is an actual fact.

Funny, I see nothing about that on JT. Gee, I wonder why.

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Exactly!

"Exactly!" but with any consequences that entails. And while we're up, the fact that Trump can refuse to comply with a subpoena doesn't necessarily make it appropriate or mean that it can't result in a legal challenge. We can go back to Giuliani's earlier comments on that subject, when he was talking about a different president:

"If the President is subpoenaed to testify, he’s got to do it. He has no choice." and "Under the criminal law, everyone should be treated the same. And I know there are some people that say the president should be treated stricter. We used to have an era where the president was treated much more leniently. But I think the right answer is the president should be treated — as far as the criminal law is concerned, the president is a citizen."

Unsurprisingly, Giuliani freaked out when these comments were played back to him in a live interview where he asserted the opposite in reference to Trump (after question at 7'26" in the video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7eR1e0WE4k

A lawyer who interprets the law one way one year and the same law exactly the opposite way 20 years later isn't much of a lawyer.

Giuliani has stated over and over that if Mueller can prove that this so called investigation is not a witch hunt, he would allow the President to speak to Mueller

Laughable. Giuliani isn't in a position to allow or disallow the president from doing anything. He's only a lawyer. Obviously Trump would still be better off following legal advice than just winging it; but he would also be better off engaging a better lawyer than Giuliani. Whatever Giuliani has stated he will accept has no bearing on whether the investigation continues to gather evidence, and setting a ludicrous condition like that is not going to make Trump's problems disappear. Trump can refuse to testify; it will be accounted for in Mueller's conclusions and the report he submits to Rosenstein. That may have serious consequences; you sound confident that it won't, but it's not as if you've been right about anything related to this investigation so far.

if he can’t then he is not dumb enough to allow Trump to walk into a perjury trap

And if so, then as I stated, there will be no testimony from Trump, but ample testimony from many others. That's Trump's choice. It means he can't formally deny what others say, or even offer an alternative version.

Good idea.

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These are dark times we are living through. I can only pray that Bone Spurs gets what he deserves.

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@Blacklabel

Liberal legend Dershowitz about Tweets being reviewed to create crimes. (summary, it’s pathetic)

The New York Times has reported that, according to three sources, special counsel Robert Mueller is trying to stitch together an obstruction of justice case against President Trump based on his public tweets, TV appearances, conversations with public officials and other entirely lawful acts. If this is true, it suggests that there is no "smoking gun" or fire, not even any kindling. It suggests that all Mueller seems to have is some dry twigs from which he is trying to build a bonfire. The Times' headline - "Mueller looking for Obstruction in Trump Tweets" - should raise a red flag for all civil libertarians. This is exactly the kind of creative manufacturing of crimes from innocent - indeed, constitutionally protected acts - that endangers the liberties of all American.

He also said:

Alan Dershowitz: Backing Donald Trump has been worse than defending O.J. Simpson

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/07/alan-dershowitz-backing-trump-o-j-simpson-mike-tyson/765298002/

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@Hakman

Cohen has no proof or even evidence, and he's in his own deep-guano level of legal trouble and thus has every reason to try to deal himself out of it. 

But hey, let's believe him anyway. 

Plea deals are only valid if the testimony provides information for a conviction. So if he was lying then it wouldn't help in the end. He has lots of other dirt on Dump that he can prove. He can give him details for other crimes to get Dump indicted.

Alternative is to trust the proven liar Dump and his associates being indicted for lying:

"(Cohen) cannot be believed. ... If they rely on him ... it would destroy whatever case they have."

Rudy Giuliani

Paraphrase:

Rudy: My client’s long-time lawyer and confidante (Cohen) is not credible because he has spent so many years lying on behalf of my client (Dump), who is credible.

LOL!

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bass4funkToday 05:24 pm JST

"Well you should be fine if he’s only lying to the media and not to you"

Yup.

So you don't mind him lying to the right-wing media outlets as well, and by association, all their conservative readers and viewers such as, presumably, yourself?

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He also said: 

Alan Dershowitz: Backing Donald Trump has been worse than defending O.J. Simpson

you might want to read the article? It isn’t worse to him personally.

He is saying he is personally treated worse by liberals now for defending Trump than how liberals treated him when he defended O.J.

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"I’m a Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat who’s trying hard to restore Congress to the Democrats, who will help finance Democratic candidates all over the country," Dershowitz told The Times. "I’m a liberal Democrat. I haven’t changed one iota in 50 years. I am not a Trump supporter. I’m a supporter of civil liberties. Calling me a Trump supporter is like calling me a communist supporter in the 1950s."

dershowitz from your own source article. He isn’t a “Trump backer” he just has the integrity to judge fairly based on the law and the constitution not by who or what side did it.

And now liberals hate him for being truthful. It’s a “ get a Trump at all costs liberal world” and if you aren’t onboard, you are the enemy and they will attack you too.

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@Blacklabel

you might want to read the article? It isn’t worse to him personally.

He is saying he is personally treated worse by liberals now for defending Trump than how liberals treated him when he defended O.J.

Actually, I did read it. I also didn't directly claim or imply anything by it. Remember you are usually the one not reading the articles listed in the posts.

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So you don't mind him lying to the right-wing media outlets as well, and by association, all their conservative readers and viewers such as, presumably, yourself?

No, but the difference, the conservative media will always give him the benefit of a doubt. But as to his private life, he owes no one an explanation on something that is seriously irrelevant.

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@Blacklabel

dershowitz from your own source article. He isn’t a “Trump backer” he just has the integrity to judge fairly based on the law and the constitution not by who or what side did it.

And now liberals hate him for being truthful. It’s a “ get a Trump at all costs liberal world” and if you aren’t onboard, you are the enemy and they will attack you too.

He also didn't say if Dump committed any crimes then he should not be indicted. He also didn't say the Dump was an honest and trustworthy person.

Dershowitz was expressing his thoughts about the definition of obstruction.

For every Dershowitz, I can show conservatives who openly hated Obama that have now changed their tune.

One even apologized to Pres. Obama:

“It can be depressing to think about our current predicament under a president whose loyalty to America is suspect but whose racism and xenophobia are undoubted,” he writes. “However, Obama’s speech gave me a glimmer of optimism… we had a president with whom I could disagree without ever doubting his fitness to lead. We can have one again.”

Conservative columnist: ‘I would take Obama back in a nanosecond’

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/398112-conservative-columnist-i-would-take-obama-back-in-a-nanosecond

Another one:

A prominent conservative columnist says he's leaving the party because of Donald Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-will-leaving-republican-party-trump-2016-6

Donald Trump is the most scandal-ridden “president” in modern history. From porn stars to what appears to be his collusion with a foreign power, to the daily lies and cruel policies coming out of his administration, there’s nothing good the press can say about him.

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bass4funk: "No, but the difference, the conservative media will always give him the benefit of a doubt."

No, the conservative media, and even your blog, will defend him when he's been proven 100% wrong, and a pathological liar. It's been fun watching Giuliani, too, stuff his foot in his mouth yet again. The back to back videos of him saying "Cohen is an honorable and trustworthy man" followed by, "He's a pathological liar who has been lying his whole life" are hilarious, especially since that means he was a pathological liar the whole time he, too, defended Trump. Hahahaha!

"But as to his private life, he owes no one an explanation on something that is seriously irrelevant."

Ah, the hypocrisy once again. And yet you STILL mention Clinton's infidelity. No wonder you guys have zero credibility.

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@Blacklabel

Simply don’t care about a billionaire’s personal life in 2006 when I am getting 4.1% GDP, 50 billion reduction in trade deficit, strong immigration policy, record unemployment, record stock markets and progress with N Korea.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump falsely claims historic turnaround

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trump-falsely-044729698.html

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"Donald Trump is the most scandal-ridden “president” in modern history"

You've got the quotation marks on the wrong word, Silva, it should be

Donald Trump is the most "scandal-ridden" president in modern history.

Trump's "scandals" do not concern the majority of voters at this point, voters are concerned with the economy and national security.

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