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I remember Powell.

It was only yesterday your average Obama supporter accused him of lying shamelessly and not too convincingly for the second of his Republican bosses.

"Mr Powerpoint." Wasn't that the clever nickname bestowed on him?

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Ahh, power, mr. Nigeria yellowcake. At any rate a big blow to mccain's campaign for sure.

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I am one of those posters who has posted that he took lies and a powerpoint presentation filled with photocropped pictures.

Since then he has admitted that he was taken in by the ones who put these presentations and evidence together.

I, for one, believe that he was misled in the up-sweep of the war and was used as a scapegoat to present the evidence. the george bush regime knew that, of all the members of the administration, he'd be believed.

I was already an Obama supporter so this doesn't change my mind. But, it just might others. Watch and see if his points of favortism goes up any. < :-)

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I didn't have that much regard him but listening to his reasons for this endorsement, I have come to trust him again. Especially this muslim thing. There are muslims dying for America.

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adaydream - he was taken it - i am with you on this one but i do feel that he didn`t do his homework - to have been duped by those who put the presentation and evidence together. anyway - a big boost for obama yeah!!!

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Obama will get a big boost from "Mr. Powerpoint/Mr. Nigeria yellowcake."

"I, for one, believe he was misled"

But you don't believe Bush was misled by inaccurate info about WMD, the same inaccurate info that others had, including the hapless U.N.

"There are muslims dying for America."

Yeah? There are way more Americans dying for non-American Muslims.

I guess after Obama's $961,000 TV ad is aired, he'll have a 25 point lead over McCain.

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It was only yesterday your average Obama supporter accused him of lying shamelessly...

Yes, Powell did hook up with a bad crowd, but got out of there as soon as he saw their true nature.

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"Yes, Powell did hook up with a bad crowd"

Doesn't that say something about his poor judgement? Nah...

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At this point, I would say Obama now has a serious crack at the White House. If he can just explain how he's going to cut taxes for 95% of American workers when 40% of Americans don't pay taxes, he'll emerge victorous!

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Blimey, i reckon this is gonna make McCain and his campaign finsihed.

That old geezer Colon Powell is popular with black people, so he will get them to vote for Obama. My brother Rodney is an expert in these matters, and he reckons that more conservative black people will now vote for Obama, because of this.

Looks like Obama is gonna win easy, amybe everythink will turn out cushty, i hope so.

I reckon Colon Pwell supporting in him will get him tons more votes.

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"Obama: Cash Mountain" it seems so many want to take this ride that Disney should offer it -and I hear you get $500, so bring your pails. Beware of Hillary's goulish Halloween laugh and the McCain falls and as a finale the 1T bailout.

Without all the many, many, many Obama supporters that were willing to each give a little he wouldn't have been able to compete against the Hillary And McCain machines and their lobbyists. This guy is really changing both parties and politics. Obama could have run as an independent and won it. =Which is something no one has done before (not even Bull-Moose!!!) -and he ran a fairly clean campaign against trashy ones.

George W Bush wanted to unify both parties, but instead the situation got worse in 8yrs due to the Demo-Coms. Hopefully Obama will be the great unify-er.

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Coulrophobic said:

I remember Powell. It was only yesterday your average Obama supporter accused him of lying shamelessly and not too convincingly for the second of his Republican bosses. "Mr Powerpoint." Wasn't that the clever nickname bestowed on him?

It doesn't look as if he minds it that much, judging by his decision to endorse Obama anyway.

Sarge said:

If he can just explain how he's going to cut taxes for 95% of American workers when 40% of Americans don't pay taxes, he'll emerge victorous!

Looks like you've almost done it for him.

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sarge asks: "Doesn't that say something about his poor judgement?"

Depends. Maybe he cared about his country so much that he thought he could help protect Bush from the neocon nuts he was surrounding himself with. I'll give Mr. Powell the benefit of the doubt on that.

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sarge posits: "At this point, I would say Obama now has a serious crack at the White House."

You just figured that out?

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Can I ask a question regarding the cutting of taxes for 95% of American workers when 40% of Americans don't pay taxes? Just off the top of my head I don't see anything wrong with those numbers. I don't believe all Americans are workers. Lump in all the kids, retired people, people in jail, stay at home spouses and probably only 60% of Americans are workers who pay taxes. And out of the 60% of Americans that work Obama seems to be promising that 95% of them will have their taxes cut. Looks good to me.

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Colin Powell may have approval ratings that are as high as those of any public figure in America. The New Republic analyzes that this may help Barack Obama in one of the most critical swing regions of the key state of Virginia: the defense and military communities in the northern part of the state.

Rush Limbaugh went right for the race card. On his afternoon show, Rush was heard to say the following: "I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."

Attaboy, Rush! Keep stoking those fires and keep the Powell endorsement first and foremost in the minds of everyone going into the week.

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Another solid blow to the already reeling McCain effort.

Now John, w just need you to let us have a lot more Palin air time. We want her to talk to the press as much as possible between now and election day. She is the best tool for assuring a DEM win.

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I believe that george bush knew the truth Sarge, and went in anyway.

I'm glad to see Colin Powell's support, but I was for Obama anyway. So in my personal support, it doesn't change anything. But, it will change others. < :-)

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I guess after Obama's $961,000 TV ad is aired, he'll have a 25 point lead over McCain

I don't get your point here. In reporting Obama’s staggering fundraising for September, campaign manager David Plouffe said the campaign had added 632,000 new donors in the month, for a total of 3.1 million contributors to the campaign. The average donation was $86.

Powell's vote of support too for President Obama is a vote for competence and a step in the right direction, which he has all the more reason to do so after being coerced into misleading the world by war-loving and vendetta-pursuing Republican misfits.

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15 more days !!!! 15 more days for a new leader.

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"Powell willingly sold the Iraq War to Americans and to the UN!"

"Powell was duped by George Bush!" - who is so dense he needs a wire to his ear even to debate the likes of John Kerry.

Can any of Obama's starry-eyed supporters clarify why Obama, who we are supposed to admire for his prescient opposition to the Iraq War, should be “beyond honored” as he accepts this man's endorsement, twisting himself into even more contortions as he flits across the national stage.

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"Powell's vote of support too for President Obama is a vote for competence and a step in the right direction..."

Interesting.

I believe he told a group of students back in August that electing an African-American president would be "electrifying."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/ powell-obama-win-would-be_n_126636.html

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I am counting down the days for a new leader. I really do not worry about how much money was donated to his organization. I really don't care. What really matters, is the American People. I hope the next President will help the American People. Help the soldiers in Iraq to go home. American people need jobs, and affordable healthcare. America needs to help themselves and stop re-building other countries. It needs to heal itself. Many ghettos and starving people in America. Many homeless vets and familes in America. Let's help these people first.

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I believe that george bush knew the truth Sarge, and went in anyway.

I think he was more stupid, reckless and deluded than that. He was so certain that war was the right thing to do that he convinced himself that the WMD stories were true and declared war genuinely believing they'd find stockpiles of weapons and conclusive proof that Saddam was involved in 911.

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"Cash mountain"

The Party of the Rich.

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Interesting. I believe he told a group of students back in August that electing an African-American president would be "electrifying."

Yeah. And here's some more from that link.

"I have voted for members of both parties in the course of my adult life. And as I said earlier, I will vote for the candidate I think can do the best job for America, whether that candidate is a Republican, a Democrat, or an independent," he added.

Powell also offered praise for Obama, calling him an “exciting person on the political stage."

“He has energized a lot of people in America,” said Powell, who briefly weighed his own run for the White House in the mid-1990s. “He has energized a lot of people around the world. And so I think he is worth listening to and seeing what he stands for.”

Last month, a Powell adviser told CNN that "he likes and admires John McCain, and that would be a factor in anything he does if he decides to get more involved."

Another source close to Powell said that he has known McCain for more than three decades “and likes him, and is looking for a reason to vote for him. He hasn't found it yet."

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"Cash mountain" The Party of the Rich.

Jealous of the level of support his party gets from all segments of the population?

In reporting Obama’s staggering fundraising for September, campaign manager David Plouffe said the campaign had added 632,000 new donors in the month, for a total of 3.1 million contributors to the campaign. The average donation was $86.

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If Bush endorsed Obama would all your anti Bush talk change like all the anti Powell talk did??

Just wondering:)

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Whoever invented this headline doesn't think much of Obama! Reveling in endorsements and - last but not least - mountains of cash!

Personally I can't stand the man - don't like either of 'em though. But Obama is particularly worrying because of his fake stance. Don't you see him putting on that old 'integrity' act? He looks more like a trustworthy pres of past times than the real ones did. He's been trained into the walk, the stance, the posture while speaking so he gets that "U.S. pres" style voice. He's even been trained in the 'blanking people who try tripping you up mid-speech by ignoring them completely' trick. Things like that are so obviously artificial I can't understand why you Americans don't see it. But considering the bumbling old man (aka Bush-clone) who's the other contender I suppose you're willing to take artificial integrity. After all, you're not going to find the genuine article in a politician.

What a relief I don't have to choose between them - but what a damn shame it won't just be the Americans who pay the price for whichever choice they make - the whole world will have to pay.

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Powell:"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

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If Bush endorsed Obama would all your anti Bush talk change like all the anti Powell talk did??

It wouldn't make any difference. He could say he was endorsing Karl Marx and no one would care.

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dammit you should run as an independent, if you had anything at all to offer beyond criticism.

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SWEEEEEEEEEEET! This endorsement is huge,as verified by the string of hysterical posts.

From the drift of many of the responses, the nasty repugs are eating their own. Colin Powell admitted his lowest point in his career was when he gave the U.N. speech showing the WMD. LOL His endorsement of Obama is a a repudiation of the Bushies.

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I must admit, i was in no way surprised by this news.

As an independent, Powell backing Obama will have no bearing on my vote come November.

Obama is a smooth talker, and this news cannot dent his lead in the polls. Powell is respected by many Americans on the left and right.

My guess is, this will not affect regular folks voting intentions.

Giving it to you straight.

And that's a wrap....

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Powell:"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

Is your problem with time, coulrophobic, is that it moves forward, not backward?

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"Jealous of the level of support his party gets from all segments of the population?"

Not jealous at all. Folks can spend as they wish. No better way in the modern world they'll learn that as you sow you will reap.

What does bother me is the amount of foreign cash and the media's complete indifference to this violation of federal law.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html

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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/southern_sheriff_pulls_over_obama

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/john_mccain_accidentally_left_on

:) check it out

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No better way in the modern world they'll learn that as you sow you will reap.

Yep people learnt that with their votes in 2000 and 2004.

What does bother me is the amount of foreign cash and the media's complete indifference to this violation of federal law.

The numbers there pale into insignificance. Are you worried about some fringe element? That's on both sides. If you are really interested in a more peaceful world and a safer America you still have time to reconsider where your vote is going.

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:) check it out

Nice!

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As people sometimes say, "More Powell to him."

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LDP!! LDP!! LDP!!

Neo-Com Fascists Go!!

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If Bush supported Obama I would stop bashing him. There's your bit. If Bush came out for Obama, he'd be breaking party lines like he liked to claim he did during his campain, and admit his Presidency was in large part, a failure. He would be putting America before his pride, and endorse someone who has the best chance of putting America back on the path of prosperity (McCain doesn't want to change much as he already stated). He would be admitting his mistakes, and that's worth a lot in my book.

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It is a good way for powell to amend for his earlier WMD faux pas.

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Good on you Colin! Good to see you doing something positive to rehabilitate your image.

Then again, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Let's remember that you were not the only one to be hoodwinked by Curious George and his cabal of miscreants.

Good to see that you also put the boot into that gun-loving, car-pooling, moose-shooting redneck who has delusions of becoming VP.

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It's quite odd really. Powell is supporting a candidate who, unlike himself, did not support and promote the invasion of Iraq. Does it mean that Powell is now admitting the whole invasion thing was a huge mistake, and he does not want a President McCain to continue with the failed policies of the Bush regime?

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WoW! 150 million more $. And the world`s talking about a financial crisis. This election is just a Soap Opera. What a sham and shame. Run your campaigns with your own personal funds. Donate this money to the impoverished and financially strapped areas of society that these two candidates are always talking about fixing. JOKE!

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Accepting the endorsement makes Obama's opposition to the surge look all the more dangerous and foolish.

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Adding Colin Powell's endorsement to the already impressive list of people and organizations endorsing Obama, the extra 600,000 new donors and his campaign's eye-popping $150 million fundraising haul last month tell me one thing - that ever increasing numbers of Americans are fed up with the chronic Bush/McCain-bred failures and really do want change, the type they see in Obama.

At this stage of the game, any more references to Bill Ayers or ACORN need to be viewed as they really are - incredibly lame attempts to distract the American people from the real issues facing them.

To mccain and Republican supporters, talking about these real issues, and hence taking time out from their concerted campaign to spread lies, rumors and more lies, is the last thing they are willing to do.

As Colin Powell hinted, mccain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate underlined for him the Arizona senator's lack of judgement.

In fact, many of Palin's black constituents say they are disgusted with the campaign's racial overtones. "It's really been like you're going to a Ku Klux Klan rally," said Javis Odom, an Anchorage minister, referring to the white supremacist group. "Gov. Palin is really showing her true colours on the national stage."

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Colin Powell was asked: "Sir, what part did McCain's negativity play in your decision, the negative tone of the campaign?

Powell: It troubled me. We have two wars. We have economic problems. We have health problems. We have education problems. We have infrastructure problems. We have problems around the world with our allies. So those are the problems the American people wanted to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who's a Muslim or who's not a Muslim. Those kinds of images going out on Al-Jazeera are killing us around the world."

Powell went on to say: "And to focus on people like Mr. Ayers and these trivial issues, for the purpose of suggesting that somehow Mr. Obama would have some kind of terrorist inclinations, I thought that was over the top. It was beyond just good political fighting back and forth. I think it went beyond. And to sort of throw in this little Muslim connection, you know, "He's a Muslim and, my goodness, he's a terrorist" -- it was taking root. And we can't judge our people and we can't hold our elections on that kind of basis."

And we have

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Nippon5: "If Bush endorsed Obama would all your anti Bush talk change like all the anti Powell talk did??"

You guys were really, really messed up by bush. You honestly believe it's a completely black and white world out there, don't you? NO, I would not stop my bush-bashing at all if he suddenly changed tune and supported Obama. I WOULD, however, say that that is one of the only good things bush ever did. You see the difference? I wouldn't suddenly drop everything and say, "Now... hold on a minute... maybe Bush ISN'T evil! Maybe I was wrong all along!" Again, nothing is ever that black and white. If anything, most bush-bashers would find a way to turn it against him; like saying now that his ship is sunk he's just trying to get in one last plug to be remembered by, etc. etc.

Back to Powell, though, I agree with others on here who say he was and is still one of the most completely honest speaking and best supported people of the bush regime. He was clearly the scapegoat for a lot of crap that went down over the illegal invasion of Iraq, and that took much of the pressure of the real orchestrators who invented all the WMDs and ties to AQ, etc. Well... took the pressure off them for a very short time.

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Excellent posts, Sushi.

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Colin Powell's assertion that Obama would be a better Commander-in-Chief than mccain must be upsetting for many bush/mccain supporters on this board however, it will naturally be welcome news to real pro-Americans.

I hear the military bulletin boards have been buzzing at the news of Powell's endorsement.

What does it say in is simplest form?

I believe Powell fully understands Obama's lack of wartime leadership experience, but at the same time, the former general's endorsement of the Illinois senator is saying clearly that he believes mccain as C-in-C would be a WORSE choice than a relatively inexperienced Obama.

"But John McCain has so much experience!"

Irrelevant. As many have stated already, wisdom is equally if not more important than experience, especially when it comes to the truly big decisions, and mccain clearly does not exhibit wisdom to any level that is reassuring, whereas Obama has it in spades.

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'I thought that was over the top. It was beyond just good political fighting back and forth. I think it went beyond. And to sort of throw in this little Muslim connection, you know, "He's a Muslim and, my goodness, he's a terrorist" -- it was taking root.'

Right, Innuendo ain't just a small hotel owned by Mr. Uendo.

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I'm glad he got the endorsement. I've always had a lot of respect for Powell. But, yeah, I remember a lot of people here mostly writing off Powell as a Bush crony, war supporter, etc. I remember defending the man from the same people here who are suddenly jumping on the Powell bandwagon. Lovely politics...

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I really wish all of you would take a look over at 20/20.

Everything being spoken, has been spoken by both camps for over 25 years and nothing has changed.

Super lib states "Lovely politics". You really need to check it out. Both of these candidates are going to expand government. Watch how what is going to happen.

Too bad I can't claim my mother's mother country citizenship at this point, but if I could, I would.

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Scary. Powel,McCain ,they were both soldiers in VN war.They are the same GOP. They are friends for a long ,long time in US politics.They both supported Iraq's invasion.Now at crucial time ,Powell just stabbed McCain in the back,deep and fatal...and many people are jumping for joy!!!!Where are those loyalty, mateship,morals?? I am lost for words .American politics is truely SCARY.

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Well written SushiSake3

McCain and Palin are simply embarrasing.

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As I have said a number of times, any argument that John McCain is a leader because of this war time experience is delusional at best. The guy was a fighter jock, a junior rank fighter jock at that. What man-management skills does this give you? You take your orders, have your briefings and then drop your ordinance (in the general area of the target). You then slip home for some hot food and air-conditioning on a big gray war canoe. Where are the leadership skills in that?

On the other hand, somebody like Powell (a former infantry officer) possesses real leadership skills. If he hadn't been hoodwinked by Curious George and gun-slinging Dick (Cheney), Powell might have been a Presidential candidate.

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I reckon Bush is going to come out pretty soon and endorse Obama.hahah

The selection of Palin for VP is rooted in the Republican fantasy for nostalgia, a desire to reach into the past and re-establish those archaic values that discerning Americans are seeking to outgrow. It is in every sense backward looking in a world that is increasingly wanting to define itself through acceptance, inclusion and dialog rather than narrow ideals and conventions.

What Powell is saying is, (a man with an incredible record in diplomacy and military matters) is that the wold would be better off and more peaceful with an Obama presidency.

Powell is no doubt saying that we should past the torch to a new generation of leadership, with a capacity to view America's interest from a new prospective. To a man whose history and future will not be beholden to special interest, the oil companies, beer tycoons or for that matter an unjust war that has long been assigned to the annals of a path to be avoided.

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Profound good sense and wise comments from Colin Powell.

The U.S. electorate will appreciate that if Palin is representative of John McCain's policy on appointing a cabinet, he deserves no support at all. Judging by his choice of Palin as V.P. (which requires intelligence, international experience and diplomacy), he'd put a pyromaniac in charge of the fire department and a paedophile in charge of child care.

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I wonder what Harry Belefonte is gonna say about Colin Powell now.

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SuperLib: You're absolutely right that SOME people are jumping on the Powell bandwagon, but I feel the need to remind you that a lot of the very same posters on here that are joyous over the endorsement also expressed deep regret when Powell so strongly advocated going to war in Iraq. I remember many people saying things like, "Of all those in the bush cabinet, I respect and admire this man, but I'm very disappointed that he would go along with this...", etc. What's more, many expressed thoughts that they believed Powell was mere a scapegoat for the whole thing, and respected him for resigning, etc.

What I'm saying is that it's not like yesterday they thought Powell was a war-mongering lout with nothing in his head and today he is a hero.

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pointofview said:

Run your campaigns with your own personal funds.

Then only rich people could win elections. No thanks to that. Obama got his contributions at the grass roots level. Democracy at its best. The people spoke with their pocketbooks.

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"Cash mountain" doesn't even raise eyebrows or register as ironic.

They really are the Party of The Rich.

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I think this IS going to help a lot. I do know that many many independent whites had a high regard for Colin Powell, and no they never were the ones that though him to be an uncle Tom. I do feel this is going to help bring in those that have been standing on the fence.

Is it possible that that he would get his old job as secretary of state back? Of course many may feel its color, but I think in this case its more of a coincidence and I do believe Powell is happy that someone like him, after all the years in government service that someone like him can be his boss.

Wouldn't even be really nice is Dr. Rice jumped on board?

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Gooddonkey,

Remember my prediction last night about AP?

“It isn’t easy for me to disappoint Senator McCain as I have this morning,” said Powell, who emphasized that he would not campaign for Obama because of his admiration for McCain’s long record of service in the military and in Congress.

Colin Powell is a class act and always will be to me. Always admired him. Though he is endorsing Obama it doesn't diminish my respect for the man in anyway shape or form. I appreciated his kind words to Senator McCain even though he felt he couldn't endorse him. Also for the record because you won't see it in the Ap or AFP news articles they'll "forget" to include it in their articles I am almost positive, but he also said.

McCain would be a good president, Powell said, but Obama is “a transformational figure” who would be an “exceptional” leader.

I wish Colin would've ran in 2000 he was the person I really wanted to run back then and I would have voted for, but such is life.

Pretty much dead on I'd say as far as the MSM media being totally in the tank for Obama. Would've have been nice if they included that he won't campaign for him out of his respect for McCain and that he thinks McCain would also be a good President. Not hardly a ringing endorsement for Obama or a repudiation of McCain but not according to the A.P. with the story they ran with.

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"Cash mountain" doesn't even raise eyebrows or register as ironic. They really are the Party of The Rich.

You can always climb on up. I advise you leave your buckets of sour grapes behind though, and instead take this cloth to wipe your glasses and read this guide about reality. Yes you too can make a contribution, if your party hasn't opted for taxpayer finance cos that would be the only way to pull in sufficient funds.

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The September haul boosted Obama’s fundraising total to $605 million, a campaign war chest far larger than any seen in U.S. presidential contests.

It appears Obama's flip-flop on campaign finance reform has really paid off. Imagine the shrill of the leftists if a republican was spending this kind of cash. :-O

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"The liberal elite", huh? An average of 86 dollars is in what way elite? Seems the rich like the repubs most. The Hiltons, probably one of the most elite families in America gave a combined 3000 dollars (maximum allowable 1500 per person) to McCain's campain and the former Keating five player responded by calling their daughter an airheaded celebrity in an attempt to disparage Obama by equating the two. Great leadership your boy shows there. Petty and childish.

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Secretary of State Powerpoint dreams of a President Teleprompter.

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Secretary of State Powerpoint dreams of a President Teleprompter.

Are you going to whinge for the next four years?

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It appears Obama's flip-flop on campaign finance reform has really paid off. Imagine the shrill of the leftists if a republican was spending this kind of cash. :-O"

Helter, have you really looked in all the rules of campaign finance?

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That old geezer Colon Powell is popular with black people, so he will get them to vote for Obama. My brother Rodney is an expert in these matters, and he reckons that more conservative black people will now vote for Obama, because of this.

That is really not a true statement. Many of the blacks in America are in the Democratic camp, and they had viewed Powll as somewhat of a "traitor" based on his decision to back Bush. Whatever his reasons to do so, I would not call him a "race traitor"(I am black too), but just think that he felt that Bush II was better than Gore.

What this endosrsement does is gives Obama some appearance of being more accepted by the moderate Republicans of which one could label Powell. Still will not change my vote, I will go for McCain, but I do respect Powell and his decision, and no I don't think he is some sort of "race trader."

I would imagine, that if Obama were to win, Powell may play a part somewhere in his Administration. If anything, someplace like Sec. Def. or some sort of special envoy.

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goodDonkey,

$600 million for a campaign? No different than the Execs running the show at all the huge companies and offering massive bonuses. Why should candidates even have to pay for anything when running for the Presidency? It shouldnt be a business. This amount of money is absolute nonsense and is the exact reason the world is a mess. Democracy at its best? Thats why youve had a President in power for 8 years that you`ve hated since his 3rd year in power. Go figure.

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That old geezer Colon Powell is popular with black people, so he will get them to vote for Obama.

Yeah, I think Obama's only got 95% of the Black vote right now. Powell's really going to boost that percentage.

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Colin Powell always served his master, from the time he tried to cover up the My Lai Massacre to his speech at the UN but I think he is speaking freely by his own will in endorsing Obama because he is retired and only serves himself.

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I think Obama's only got 95% of the Black vote right now. Powell's really going to boost that percentage." Helter, I'm usually down with you on many things, but I think you are wrong here. While there has been talk of a "Bradley Effect" may happen to Obama, I personally think its a bit twisted. I ask again, take a look at some of the non-English - Spanish, reports on the election. There are more blacks than you image who are not at all favorable to Obama. Obama is being lifted by liberal whites (who are the type of whites you never see in a black neighborhood and usually live in gated communities) and moderate/independents who could careless of the race of the candidate. I think the media has twisted things to scare many whites away from Obama with that 95% or a scare tactic for conservatives to unite them as coulrophobic tried to insinuate, most cities controlled by black dems have not done well at all (it is the truth) where as non-white controlled cities controlled by Cuban or Mexicans have at least a 75% ratio but they usually vote Repub.

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skipthesong...I actually believe ANOTSUSAGAMI's comment is right on target. "Folks like you" are just very defensive because you know you are backing a loser who has no plan, so has resorted to moves of desperation (Palin) and increasingly negative campaigning. If you took the time to read what Powell said (Who I happen to admire greatly, and would have voted for had he run.) one of his biggest concerns was the negative tone of McCain's campaign. Something along the lines of when the country was in the early stages of the financial crisis, all McCain and Palin could think to do was bring up Ayers. Guess the truth just hurst worse when you hear it from a fellow Republican huh?

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I'd vote for Will Smith or that guy that said "What'cu talking about" or even the guy that said "Dy-no-mite" But not Obama. He's the same as John Kerry-FAKE!! Racism sure is strange,I mean the white guy that won't vote for the black is racist, but the black who votes because "dat guyz a bro" isn't racist. It's strange, ain't it!! Obama will make a pretty president and people can feel good about themselves because "der's a bro in da house" BUT he won't be a leader and he won't get much done other than getting a Rupublican majority back in the Senate and House. Smith has a better grasp of life ,as most Americans know it, than Obama. And he is not a fake. I mean he's an actor , but he's a human. It ain't color that keeps Joe White for voting for Obama it's the sick feeling that the guy is a fake. Vote for Will Smith-everyone likes his and he knows about the ups and downs of life!!

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Helter_Skelter at 12:47 PM JST - 20th October -- It appears Obama's flip-flop on campaign finance reform has really paid off. Imagine the shrill of the leftists if a republican was spending this kind of cash. :-O

You know what Helter_Skelter, you're probably correct. < :-)

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It appears Obama's flip-flop on campaign finance reform blah blah blah . . .

Horse pucky. This kind of petulant whining ignores the fact that financial support for any campaign comes from the candidate's parties as well, parties which have no limit on how much money they can raise or use.

The Republican Party itself, and not just McCain, has been getting its clock cleaned in fundraising as well, not being able to back up the McCain campaign in any appreciable way.

It appears that people with money, the ones who make up the backbone of the GOP, are vastly outnumbered by those Americans living closer to Obama's income bracket as opposed to McCain.

In other words, Obama's appeal to the average American, or if you prefer, Joe Sixpack, is set in concrete. The people have spoken . . . with their wallets.

Republican supporters, on the other hand, just plain aren't ponying up for their party or their candidate, and you have to be asking yourself why not? Could it be they can't afford to help out, what with all their assets trapped in a barely-breathing stock market? Now wouldn't that be rich irony?

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Skip

There are more blacks than you image who are not at all favorable to Obama.

I'm not so sure. During the primaries, Obama was getting about 90% of the Black vote, and that was against fellow democrats. I can't imagine it going any lower against a republican. And as far as Cubans and Mexicans, I'm really not sure what your point is, but you're correct in that it's completely different as many do vote republican.

I think the media has twisted things to scare many whites away from Obama

On the contrary. The leftist media has done everything possible to get Obama elected.

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If the majority of whites would only vote for a candidate if he were white, would the media not scream RACISM!!!

Black persons who will vote for Obama because of his and Powell's color are being racist. The media should pick up this fact and expose it, but the media are 90% liberal, so they won't.

McCain has almost closed the gap on Obama. If this endorsement makes Obama win, it will be for all the wrong reasons and America will become the laughing stock of the world.

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This is an Army vs. Navy bias. ;-)

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Way to go Mr Powell. you done the right thing bro.

Now all the guys who is your fan, but was going to vote for the old guy, willvote Obama. Gonna live in new trailer soon, yeah.

Hey rich dudes, at last us poor folk can have some bucks. Way to go Obama.

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Horse pucky. This kind of petulant whining ignores the fact....

How laughable is it to have democrats, who championed public campaign finance reform because they thought they'd get outspent by the "rich republicans", now dissing it when they're getting all the money. :-D

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Obama and Powell, great combination to ensure the downfall of our great nation. Throw Biden into the mix, and you've got socialist disaster where prays help nobody.

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Powell's Wiki entry:

"Powell became senior military assistant to Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, whom he assisted during the 1983 invasion of Grenada and the 1986 airstrike on Libya."

I'm lovin it, watching the Left gush about this guy.

"In April 2002, he visited the site of the alleged Jenin Massacre in the West Bank and later said while testifying to Congress, "I've seen no evidence that would suggest a massacre took place."

It gets better:

"Citing "numerous" anonymous Iraqi defectors, Powell asserted that "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."[14] Powell also stated that there was "no doubt in my mind" that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons."

He's transparent. Kinda like Obama.

"On August 13, 2008, Fox News analyst Bill Kristol stated that Powell will endorse Barack Obama for president and may give a speech at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.[43][44] Powell has said in response that "I do not have time to waste on Bill Kristol's musings."

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If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist. Never mind that Powell is a respected General and war hero who held a position second only to the C in C himself. He couldn't possibly know anything. It must be because he's a "Bro". What a way to just insult and malign an entire class of voters based on the color of thier skin. There ARE those who would vote for Obama because he's black, but still more so because they believe him good for the job. You do realise, there are people who vote for McCain because he's white, right? Are they wrong too, or is it ok because it's "right"?

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"If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist. Never mind that Powell is a respected General and war hero who held a position second only to the C in C himself.He couldn't possibly know anything."

Sorry. Your faux indignation fails to impress. You and the other Europeans/Canadians here don't know the first thing about race and politics in America.

Powell is free to endorse who he likes. Plenty of conservative Catholics undoubtedly went for JFK in '60. Folks expect such trends.

It's not Powell's choice that bothers me it's the attempt by him and by Lefty champions of identity politics at rationalizing that most McCain supporters find offensive.

"It must be because he's a "Bro". "

LOL. Watch another thousand American films maybe you'll start to get the slang. You're still a million miles off.

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Sensible people vote to keep their taxes affordable and the economy creating jobs!! What does race have to do with what percent of taxes you can keep??? Does it matter what color Obama is when the popular vote doesn't elect him???????

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Republican party, which has sought over recent decades to shrink the size of the national government.

O,yes with a dictator you do not need a large government.

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"If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist." In a way, yes it is however, Jessie nor Al garnered this much, not even close. I'll admit I was a little disgruntled when Richardson didn't get hardly hand black play, even to the effect that South West black radio stations didn't even talk him, but that's no longer an issue and must be sucked up.

I don't recall Obama coming out saying "hey, look, I'm a black man". Nor did he demand on history that he is entitled to be president. We all tend to vote more for the person we find we like in personality than for credentials. I found this when I was rooting for Richardson.

There are two things I think to look at. Yes, Powell is free to endorse who ever he wants and he is intelligent enough to know there will be accusations as to why he went with Obama. Coultro is, however, correct to criticize the left on this board their all of a sudden great praise for him. He was not a scapegoat, if you give him that status, then you need to give it to Bush as well - they created the Powell we know of now.

BTW, "bro" was actually created by Puerto Ricans, not blacks.

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smithinjapan: What I'm saying is that it's not like yesterday they thought Powell was a war-mongering lout with nothing in his head and today he is a hero.

I understand. It's more like "yesterday they thought Powell was a war-mongering lout with nothing in his head and today he is not a war-mongering lout with nothing in his head."

Will that suffice?

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O,yes with a dictator you do not need a large government.

Historically, it would appear you need in place before assuming office a large and diffuse group of mostly young and unquestioning malcontents ready to act as something akin to your unofficial praetorian guard.

A little army of 'community organizers' you could say.

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Like it or not the GOP neo-cons would happily see the concentration of power in a small number of their peers. They have already shown considerable disregard for the constitution and civil liberties. The GOP swing to the right is far more so than anything in our nation's history and is a clear and present threat to the very fabric of our society.

Like these people going around talking about pro-American and not-pro-American. Sounds like fascism to me! I think all Ameicans are pro-American. Just not all of us share your 1st century view of things. I'm a liberal left wing idealist who believes that all people in our country matter and that we have a responsiblity to every single soul in our nation. That makes me anti-American in the views of neo-fascist twits like Palin. But I love my country and the people there, yes even you GOP misguided souls. And I think it is time we put the divisive nature of the past eight years behind us and get on with restoring the honor and glory of our nation.

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"If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist."

By the same logic, does that mean if you vote for a female V.P. candidate - Palin - you are being sexist? nope - you are being stupid, because she is ignorant (but she isn't ignorant because she's a woman.)

If the Republicans had picked a black presidential candidate who supported the same kind of disastrous neocon policies which have hastened America's downfall over the past 8 years, do you serious think they'd still vote for him? If so, YOU are the one whose views are in question.

People of all races have some respect for Powell because he was a lone voice of reason in the Bush White House - until he got dispensed with.

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tkoind - "And I think it is time we put the divisive nature of the past eight years behind us and get on with restoring the honor and glory of our nation."

Damn straight! Right on.

I don't get it - America, not only from the inside but from the outside, too, has clearly become more divided, more split, and more angry under bush.

Not to mention everything else he and his team have screwed up, the above dividing of a nation is a big enough red flag in itself, I think.

I am convinced the majority of Americans have just had enough.

john mccain - as is startlingly clear from his 90% voting record of siding with bush - is NOT a "maverick."

He does, on the other hand, represent more of the same - Bush 44.

His choice of Palin was just beyond dumb and every time he has defended her and his pick, he just makes himself look even more of a moron than he already is.

As I stated above, I believe Colin Powell endorsed Obama over mccain because he believes that even though Obama has far less experience, mccain would be a WORSE choice.

In fact, it is becoming increasingly clear that john mccain defines "erratic."

john mccain is all over the road on drilling, climate change, the bailout bill, wanting to postpone the first presedential debate and then showing up, and more.

The third debate showed Obama is the iceman - very cool, very calm, whereas mccain was blinking wildly like a madman on many occasions, not quite sure how to react or respond.

Q for Republicans: Do you REALLY want your country to be represented by an unhinged, unwise OAP with a history of health problems and an even worse record of actually sitting down and thinking through ways to resolve issues (as opposed to his all-too-obvious current strategy of simply deciding strategy on the fly and then abruptly changing it when he sees it failing)?

john mccain has served his country, but that - coupled with everything mentioned above and more - simply does not and will not qualify john mccain to be president.

john mccain is not only a clear and present threat to the GOP, he is a real danger to America, and Americans who still considering voting GOP really need to wake up to the fact that your country has been trashed under bush. Mccain has shown he supports bush on 9 votes out of 10, and wants more of the same failed policies.

This much is clear - A vote for mccain is a vote against America.

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Torpedoing his chances for a future presidency -- Powell seems too decent to run.

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Sounds like fascism to me!" In a way, it is but what you fail to acknowledge, so is the flip side.

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Skipthesong

You are correct 'Bro' was popularized by Puerto Ricans. Which came after African Americans popularized "Brother" in the slang vernacular. It was a shortening of the word AA's made popular. So AAs did have some part in it.

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"They have already shown considerable disregard for the constitution and civil liberties."

Can you point out where?

"The GOP swing to the right is far more so than anything in our nation's history and is a clear and present threat to the very fabric of our society."

For over 7 years now the Left have been hyperventilating like this. Can you give this "clear and present threat" a name?

Can you describe the point in this "fabric" you regard as most vulnerable to what this supposed swing to the right has brought about?

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In case it's not clear, I was being sarcastic when I wrote "If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist." BTW, I was born and raised in the US, in the state of PA, in Philly. So your assumption I'm from Europe is laughable. The "Bro" comment was in reference to MsAnn's comment, and in no way reflects my knowledge or lack thereof of the slang.

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"This much is clear - A vote for mccain is a vote against America."

Yeah. Take it from some adolescent Canadian or European who capitalizes the names of terrorists but thinks that with spelling like you see above he is personally helping Americans usher in a new era of enlightened political rule.

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john mccain has served his country, but that - coupled with everything mentioned above and more - simply does not and will not qualify john mccain to be president.

Actually, military service should be a requirement for being president. (now watch as the feminized men of the left argue against this point)

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Skip,

Sounds like fascism to me!" In a way, it is but what you fail to acknowledge, so is the flip side.

They don't even realize it when they do it. On the hand they want us all to have to unity after 8 years of Bush yet in the same post without one shred of evidence call Palin.

That makes me anti-American in the views of neo-fascist twits like Palin.

Calling people twits and neo-fascists is pretty strong fighting words where I come from. I sure wouldn't stand for it if it was directed at me all because I tend to be more conservative in my views and happen to believe that the universe just might a divine power behind it all( Boy what a radical concept). And it certainly isn't the stuff of unity that is for sure.

I'm have always been amazed how those that travel on the far left here think insulting people is just somehow Okay if the perceived target is in their mind somehow intellectually inferior. I have never quite got a grasp on that concept.

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I reckon Bush is going to come out pretty soon and endorse Obama.

...In a last-ditch attempt to discredit the Obama campaign?

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How laughable is it to have democrats, who championed public campaign finance reform because they thought they'd get outspent by the "rich republicans", now dissing it when they're getting all the money.

Not "dissing" finance reform. Never said a word about it, either pro or con. I'm simply pointing out the silliness of McCain's supporters wanting to use Obama's decision to not use public dollars as an excuse for why McCain's "message" of terrorists and socialists doesn't seem to be taking hold with the electorate.

No amount of money is going to change the basic fact that Americans aren't buying the McCain campaign’s transparent attempt at making crap up to scare the crowd. Even if McCain had gone the private financing route, the way he's waging this campaign would have had the same results.

Fear-mongering is the absolute last thing last thing I expected McCain to resort to in the closing weeks of the campaign, but alas, it's a long series of disappointments from him, starting with the colossally foolish choice of Palin as a running mate to this latest silliness with “Obama’s a European Socialist,” where you can still see a glimmer of McCain’s civility in that he refuses to go the extra mile demanded by the morons that make up his staff and call Obama a Communist outright.

If only McCain had chosen substantially finer people to help him run his campaign, rather than the morally bankrupt jackals that have doomed his presidential bid, we might have had a presidential campaign with more substance than this year’s.

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jwills, just wanted to point that out. I'm little frustrated as I think people of Hispanic nature, and I mean American Hispanics, have been left out of this election - we have only been pandered to and I think black America took us for granted in this election. Not even 1% black vote for Richardson, yet has some of the highest credentials of all the dem candidates.

Also, I'm seeing a very scary trend going on. Who is anyone to call the next guy fascist because he's not down with another person's program?

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In politics it is a black and white world... but the sad part is the people of America are a shade between and the political people only vote for the black(red) or white(blue) when most people are truly inbetween both of those political extremist views..

I still say its funny all those saying bad things about Powell are now claiming they love him..

Just for the record I like Powell and wish he was running as an Independent against both of these guys.....

Gates/Jobs 2012 a team with a record to show profit, help the world, and actually do change...

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In politics it is a black and white world... but the sad part is the people of America are a shade between and the political people only vote for the black(red) or white(blue) when most people are truly inbetween both of those political extremist views.." You really need to catch ABC's 20/20. Stousell did a good one on government and actually proved how in-effective it is. The biggest reason I don't like US politics is the size of the government and having them make decisions for us. Take a look at everything government has gotten its hands on and you will see how screwed up it is. We are in need of more parties and less assistence from them. Obama is going to bring taxes up, even though HE said he won't but now that the Dems will control basically 75% of the government that matters most for at least the next two years, our taxes are going to go and we won't see any type of return. Sure the repubs would have done the same thing too.

The US has not gone down since GWB, it has been going down since before I was born. Time to start watching re-runs of old tv shows when the US was a good place. Chico and the man anyone?

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LFRAgain..

Have you heard of Taco Johns?

Have you heard of Taco Bell?

Seems taco bell spends 4 times what Taco Johns does for Advertising...

It makes a difference, even in this election..

McCain's actions dont help him but his inability to shower the people with commercials and email ads every 5 seconds does effect his chances of getting voters.

Americans are very much influenced by what they read and what they see on TV...

If this wasnt true would all those worthless wieghtloss programs and equipment ever sell... QVC ..... you name it and advertisment plays a huge part in selling anything...

This doesnt mean McCain hasnt shot his own foot, but Obama isn't ahead by the numbers he is only based on McCains talk, his Advertising campaign is a huge part of his popularity...And a very expensive to boot...

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skip do they have it on any of my KDDI cable tv channels?? I ve never seen an ABC show on here we have allot of Fox channels:)

Ill see if I can get it on line...

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Americans are very much influenced by what they read and what they see on TV... " Very true. We have HIP HOP, Heavy Metal, and Hollywood raising our young kids today. If find it odd that Powell is considered a hero but McCain is not today.

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Actually, military service should be a requirement for being president. (now watch as the feminized men of the left argue against…

Would it have to be in the US military?

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Skip that was one of the best shows Ive seen in a long time...

It hits my beliefs so well..

All should see it and actually listen to it...

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Phs6CwnutoY&feature=user

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=e11-_cE63Us&feature=user

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=vuL8teeuJD8&feature=user

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pu6cT6ICQQ&feature=user

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=rTI9r4pUYh4&feature=user

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=hWVLr8Y18e0&feature=user

It answers the question how do we actually balance the budget, and make America strong again...

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Who is anyone to call the next guy fascist because he's not down with another person's program?

Probably the same person who'd call the next guy a "socialist" because he's not down with that person's program.

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If find it odd that Powell is considered a hero but McCain is not today.

Wow. You guys would throw you own mothers under the wheel if you thought it would get you a win, wouldn't you?

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"I think his plans are for redistribution of wealth. That’s one of the tenets of socialism,” McCain told Fox....

Actually, that's one of the principles of taxation. It's also one of the principles of insurance.

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Sarge,

Good grief. Can you explain to me why McCain didn't challenge Obama when Obama said that he was going to cut taxes on 95% of taxpayers? If you think Obama was clueless, what about McCain?

Included among the $0 taxpayers, aren't there some actually receiving a check from the government? For curiosity's sake, if that check increases, do you think it would be fair to call it a tax cut?

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I don't think a single rightie on here actually KNOWS what socialism is. They are so utterly scared by what they hear come out of the mouths of the fear mongers like McBush that they start to believe in them. Like the moron woman who thinks Obama is an Arab because McCain/Palin have tried to link Obama to terrorism (through the time he met what's-his-face when the former was eight years old). Now all you hear the desperate Republicans shouting is 'socialism' this, and 'socialism' that.

So, let's hear it. What is socialism, kiddies? Is it health care that allows a poor person to get medicine and doesn't limit said medicine of health care to the rich? Oh my!!

I bet I won't get a single straight answer to my question about socialism from the few remaining McCain supporters on here. I'll get answers like:

(what's socialism?)

It's what Obama wants!

It's like China!

It's (enter most recent McCain/Palin sound-byte).

It's called Canada! (limited to coulrophobia only).

etc.

In other words, they're so paranoid about something they actually know nothing about.

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Probably the same person who'd call the next guy a "socialist" because he's not down with that person's program." You got me on that one....

In other words, they're so paranoid about something they actually know nothing about." Well, isn't that what most people are scared of? If you know what it is, how can it hurt? I think the idea you are hitting is how up until now, is how many so called socialist countries' leaders have run their countries. however, I urge you to take a look at something my dad was involved with a long time ago before he was killed. http://progressivelabor.890m.com/ If your post was directed at me, fine but I do believe I've been around a few people who do know something about it. Maybe you do know more than I.

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btw smitty, I am scared of all government control..... you hit health and I agree there needs to be something done, but letting the government control it after they have taken contrrol of everything in my thirty plus years gives me the creeps. Dem or repub.

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"I bet I won't get a single straight answer to my question about socialism from the few remaining McCain supporters on here."

Socialism could be illustrated (not defined) by the sort of economic policies which drive so many Canadians to seek medical care in America, even if it means paying out of pocket. And it is socialism that upon their return to Canada decrees they must appear in court to face charges for exercising their free will.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

Author is a Canadian.

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skip: Actually, my post wasn't directed at you at all, though you raise a couple of points I'd like to comment on.

"Well, isn't that what most people are scared of?"

True, fear of the unknown is probably the reason behind most negative human social behaviour; from fear of what a loved one might be doing/thinking to fear of an 'outside' group of people, leading all the way up to bitter hatred, discrimination, and war, etc.

MY point was that simply calling ANYTHING you hear as being 'socialist' is plain old ignorant. They're not calling something socialist because they are afraid of socialism, they're calling something socialist because they have only the vaguest knowledge of the term, and McCain/Palin are going out of their way to try and make a connection between that mantra and countries the US is at war with (verbal or otherwise). At this point, there are a number of Americans taking the loosest of associations between words and lumping into something they THINK they fear. A 'social program' like Universal Health Care has NOTHING AT ALL to do with being a socialist country. Hell, these days, if I saw the child of one of these ignorant Americans and watched him behave with others, praising the... let's say young man... to his parents: "Wow! You're son is very sociable!" -- they'd probably hit me in the face and call me a commie! Someone talking about 'social reform' is likely to be branded by these ignorant fools as wanting the country to be like Russia (which by the way is not socialist).

Anyway, again, I wasn't saying so much that people are afraid of socialism and so acting out against it; I was saying they are acting out against anything they dislike and are afraid of and are CALLING it socialist without having the slightest knowledge of the true meaning of the word.

I'm not going to get into the whole control thing again with you because we talked in nothing but circles the last time. I do agree that the government should never have TOO much power, and should never be in control of EVERYTHING.

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"Socialism could be illustrated (not defined) by the sort of economic policies which drive so many Canadians to seek medical care in America..."

Jeez... why am I not surprised coulrophobic would come on here and bring up the country he loves more than his own in an attempt to try and improperly define socialism?

Your comment is laughable, my friend; and you still never even attempted to explain what socialism is, but instead just went off on some mantra that a country with universal healthcare that has proven to work must therefore be socialist (because everyone has access). Is it slow? Hell yes, at times. Does it drive 'so many' to the US to seek health care? Nope, particularly given that 'so many' is relative and doesn't in the slightest compare to the 45 million or so in the US (more than 100% of Canada's population) that is not covered because they cannot afford it.

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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Some call anything socialist they dont like, others call it Bush... Whats the difference? Both groups use terms to improperly describe the others beliefs or party candidates..

A true socialist economy would be perfect everyone as rich as the other, all things paid..., but it cant happen because greed is a factor.....

Peace! *:)

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Perhaps smithinjapan can tell us which socialist thinkers inform his impeccably politically correct world view. Narrow the focus. Has Canada produced any socialists of note? Or are you just slavishly following Europe on that score as well?

Any you don't need to call me 'friend' - unless you enjoy sounding like John McCain.

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"Any you don't need to call me 'friend' - unless you enjoy sounding like John McCain."

So everyone who says 'friend' sounds like McCain? I've news for you... he did not make that up. I suppose you would prefer 'comrade'? haha.

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For the purposes of this forum and this thread socialism could be defined as a form of governance which seeks to 'spread the wealth around.'

I can't remember who said that - if it was Barack Obama, Karl Marx, or Groucho Marx.

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pointofview

This amount of money is absolute nonsense and is the exact reason the world is a mess. Democracy at its best?

When I said "Democracy at its best" I meant grass roots raising of money for a candidate. Democrats have often been outspent by Republicans who were getting there money from large corporate entities with agendas. This time masses of people gave their hard earned money in hopes of a change that would be good for our nation. Some of those people gave because they worried about their financial future. I think some of them looked at it like an investment in their future.

As to your statement "This amount of money is absolute nonsense and is the exact reason the world is a mess." If you really believe that spending huge amounts of money, I have no problem saying is wasteful spending in its manner (paper signs, buttons and broadcast time), on campaigns every four years for one of the most important decisions in the world, is the exact reason the world is a mess, then we will probably not agree on much anyway. I can think of a hundred reasons more substantial as to why the world is such a mess. I thought of typing a litany of reasons but I can't. I would be too concerned I left out some of the most important issues facing our world today. Also I would literally have to include 1 hundred reasons before someone would be satisfied enough not to criticize me on this thread. Finally many things I issues I consider very important, like issues that concern the very "least" in this world would just start an ongoing controversy that I do not wish to be tangled up in at this moment. If you have been on these threads for awhile and know how intense and analytical I am you would not find it a far stretch to think I could easily come up with 100 items. Whether you consider them more important, well that is the issue at hand now isn't it?

Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are spending billions of dollars to help solve problems in this world. I am very grateful for that. It it takes 600 million dollars to hire the man who can turn our nation's direction into one of less greed and division and more towards solving problems then I think it is ultimately well spent. I accept the reality of presidential politics and I am not about to say we should donate the contributions of hard working people to those less fortunate only to get a guy in office who want to favor the rich with his tax cuts. I will not entertain idealistic thoughts when the stark reality is so important.

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" it takes 600 million dollars to hire the man who can turn our nation's direction into one of less greed and division and more towards solving problems then I think it is ultimately well spent."

And with less than three weeks at least half the nation is still asking who he really is. There are entire years of his life basically unaccounted for.

Wise investment?

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sailwind

The New York Times, Washington Post and Reuters all carried the line that Powell said McCain would make a good president. Newsbusters.org whom you have chosen to quote in the past did not include that comment in their story. I have also seen the statement in smaller media outlets reports.

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Someone needs a civics lesson:

If you're black and you vote Obama you're being racist. Never mind that Powell is a respected General and war hero who held a position second only to the C in C himself.

I would assume that the C-in-C himself means the President of the United States. I would then assume that the second in line for leadership would be the Vice President. The order of authority would then filter down the various arms of government (the cabinet and congress/the senate). Now given that Sir Colon (knighted by Queen Liz of the UK) only served as the the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, I don't see how he could be second-in-command short of a military coup. Even in his later position as Secretary of State, I think he was somewhat lower than No. 2 in the pecking order. It seems that some people slept through their civics class?

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It it takes 600 million dollars to hire the man who can turn our nation's direction into one of less greed and division and more towards solving problems then I think it is ultimately well spent.

Too bad we have no idea if we spent the money for that person or just another one of the many political leaders who talks what we want to hear but delievers nothing as usual..

Not until his term is in swing for 3 years will we know if we got a rock or a ruby....

Im guessing we get another pet rock.....

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First all, let's set some perimeters, what toy you, my friends, does socialism actually mean? Let's here your definition of it, then we can discuss.

Moderator: Sorry, a debate on socialism is not relevant to this discussion.

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I haven't got an answer from the Obama campaign yet to my question "How can Obama cut taxes for 95% of American workers when only 40% of them pay taxes?" It's been only a day, though... I understand they're busy planning Obama's victory celebration...

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I'll field this one Sarge. He's referring to 95% of taxpaying Americans, not the bum Americans who wax lyrical on the web and who should instead be helping the country get out of its economic malaise, like one President Obama is doing. All hail President Obama.

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coulrophobia: "For the purposes of this forum and this thread socialism could be defined as a form of governance which seeks to 'spread the wealth around.'"

You've still never made a single post about why McCain is the better choice and what he'll do for the country.

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Nippon5 said:

In politics it is a black and white world... but the sad part is the people of America are a shade between and the political people only vote for the black(red) or white(blue) when most people are truly inbetween both of those political extremist views..

Actually in this case the black is the blue and the white is the red.

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Lieutenant - According to Obama's website, he's going to "cut taxes for 95% of workers and their families" - He doesn't say "taxpaying Americans." Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me.

"All hail President Obama"

No, thanks.

McCain is the underdog at this point, but he was the underdog early in the primary, too. The little squirrel may just get the surprise of his life on Nov. 4.

How about "All hail the power of Bauer!"

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All hail President Obama.

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"All hail President Obama"

No, thanks.

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President Obama for prez 2012.

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"President Obama for prez 2012."

What country?

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Obama looks unstoppable now but don't forget all the promises he's made during the campaign. I hope his disciples aren't too dissappointed when their savior turns out to be just another politician.

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usaexpat: "Obama looks unstoppable now but don't forget all the promises he's made during the campaign. I hope his disciples aren't too dissappointed when their savior turns out to be just another politician."

I think anyone who thinks otherwise is an absolute fool -- that he is other than a politician. I have no doubt that some will immediately be disgruntled that the day Obama is sworn in the debt doesn't disappear and the economy improve (it will, stock wise, every so slightly, but things won't suddenly reverse themselves) . One thing I've been saying for the past 8 years, and many others have said also, is perhaps in the long term bush being elected was the smartest thing for them. Of course he himself will still go down as the worst president in history, but he will have messed things up so utterly and horribly that the Democrats won't possibly be able to fix it all in one term. They will as such lose at last SOME support in the next election (in 4 years, I mean).

However, Obama will do his best to fulfill his promises, I have no doubt; and he will slowly reverse this economic disaster. It will just take time. McCain, on the other hand, is oblivious and has yet to state how ANY part of his 'plans' would work. His supporters can do nothing but try not to hear the questions as to HOW McCain plans to do all the things he promises, and instead attack others to deflect from even trying.

In short, some indeed will be upset that Obama doesn't miraculously fix things immediately, and will deflate somewhat when they realize he is indeed just a politician. But better a politician like him in office, TRYING to make things better than an grown up spoiled brat just trying to outdo the legacy of his father and grandfather.

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usaexpat writes: "Obama looks unstoppable now but don't forget all the promises he's made during the campaign."

I recall the campaign of 2000 where George W. Bush promised, along with massive tax cuts, to maintain the surplus, pay off more of the national debt, provide a trillion dollars into a contingency fund, keep spending at a level at or below his predecessor's, and establish a "humble" foreign policy while uniting the country.

How did that work out?

Meanwhile, his predecessor, Bill Clinton, promised in 1996 to balance the federal budget, which was accomplished in 1999.

My sense is that Obama's detractors are going to be the ones who are the most disappointed when Obama shows himself to be a much more competent leader than the current president, and the nation starts heading back down the right path.

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Boy talk about the back and forth. You guys could save a lot of energy if you'd just sit back and accept the fact that Barack Obama and Joe Biden will be our next president.

The endorsement by Colin Powell was the nail in the coffin for John McCain's campaign.

YEAH!!!!!!!! < :-)

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Hahaha! In a recent interview McCain says he "doesn't mind being the underdog". What a laugh! I wonder if he said it while pacing around and blinking wildly, with his grandfather's voice still saying, "You're nothing but a screw-up!"

As him if he likes being an underdog to his pappy and he'll try to punch you in the face (falling over first and breaking a hip, but still trying).

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Sarah Palin has ensured an Obama victory. She has been the best thing for the democrats. Vice President Palin? No one wants to see that. McCain is a shower slip away from the inevitable. Imagine Palin in charge. No way. Never gonna happen. Sarah Palin President of the USA? Never never gonna happen.

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I never could understand why Sarah Palin. Did John McCain and his handlers think that America, and men in general or even Clinton supporters, would really fall for Palin?

She without substance and public scruntany. Then she comes out like gutter mouth McCain. Saying the things that John's handlers didn't want John McCain saying. Hmmm, pretty mud slinger. She just didn't cut the mustard with the Americam people.

Then the zinger, going to tax health benefits.

Good bye John and Sarah who? < :-)

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"Good bye John and Sarah who? < :-)"... this is the same "Good bye America and fighter for freedom,democracy as the world knows it'. America under Obama will forget the outside world, concentrate only to itself...that is all about it.But don't worry, China ,Russia,EU will take over and America is just another country on the planet.So be it.

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Yup, $605 million can buy a lot of votes.

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Sarah Palin and John McCain in Requiem

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romulus: "Vice President Palin? No one wants to see that."

I do. Ad so do millions of other conservative Americans.

But I'll admit, right now, it's looking like the majority of Americans, worried about the current econmic turmoil, are going to be duped into electing Barack Obama and Joe Biden over John McCain and Sarah Palin. Incredible. Well, not really. Heck, the majority of Americans were duped into electing Bill Clinton, twice.

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"Cash mountain"

Fat lot of good it has done Obama and his starry-eyed supporters, American and foreign.

According the RCP polls so often cited here

On Oct. 20, 2007, Obama led McCain 43.0% to 39.3%.

On Oct. 20, 2008, it was Obama 48.8%, McCain 44.0%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

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obama is happy to accept Gen. Powell's endorsement, despite the fact that Gen. Powell was for the war in Iraq. Interesting.

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the economy is bad, unemployment is high, and the banks are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy = these are not the best of times to be President. Worst of all is that our political system has still done nothing effective = even the banks that got federal money don't want to loan it out because of fear.

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"obama is happy to accept Gen. Powell's endorsement, despite the fact that Gen. Powell was for the war in Iraq. Interesting."

And Powell is apparently happy to endorse an admitted drug abuser, onetime socialist party member and slumlord-enabler who pals around with unrepentant failed domestic terrorists like Bill Ayers and his ghoulish wife Bernardine Dhorn.

Sadly,I think it is about race; and Powell probably has a guilty conscience about not finishing the job in Gulf War 1.

To his credit though at least Powell's son supports McCain.

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Yup, $605 million can buy a lot of votes.

Most new studies say that money has very little impact on elections. Losing candidates often have less money because people don't want to give their money to a candidate who looks like he/she can't win. Would you?

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Superlib

I would love to see that study.. Can you post some links to nonpartisan web sites that show these studies?

Considering that most studies show Americans buy or vote based on sound bites and 30 second commercials...

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According the RCP polls so often cited here the margin is unchanged.

On Oct. 20, 2007, Obama led McCain 43.0% to 39.3%.

On Oct. 20, 2008, it was Obama 48.8%, McCain 44.0%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

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A few years ago when he was out there kicking ass in the gulf he was a hero and an highly educated man, now Colin Powell is being called a racist because he has endorsed Senator Obama. That his decision is typical of the lack of sophistication of most blacks who will vote for a candidate because they don't really understand the issues. It is amazing how low some people will go to disparage another. A man the statue of Colin Powell don't need to explain to anyone his decision. He is a hell of a lot more qualified than John McCain.

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"now Colin Powell is being called a racist because he has endorsed Senator Obama"

Who's calling him a racist?

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Who's calling him a racist?

Rush Limburger

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"Sadly,I think it is about race; and Powell probably has a guilty conscience about not finishing the job in Gulf War 1."

coulrophobic: inferred that Colin Powell decision was about race. If you are saying that his decision was based on race then you are saying he is a racist.

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"Powell probably has a guilty conscience about not finishing the job in Gulf War 1"

He shouldn't. That was George Bush Sr.'s call. Can't help but point out here that if the job had been finished in 1991 - removing from power the dictator who invaded Kuwait - George W. Bush would never have had to finish it.

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Altria - Limbaugh: "I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."

Powell, like McCain, is a Republican and a military man. Obama is a Democrat ( a very liberal Democrat ) with zero military experience. Seems a bit odd that Powell would support Obama to be president, dontcha think?

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Powell isn't simply a "Republican", as if it were a brand or some united front your can affiliate yourself with. He's a moderate, something that has be well discussed in political circles over the past 8 years. Why do you think he wasn't Bush's choice for Secretary of State during the second term? It was because he and Bush did not see eye-to-eye on foreign policy.

And to presume wearing the uniform automatically makes one a Republican, or more specifically NOT a Democrat, reveals equal parts ego and ignorance on your part, Sarge.

There's nothing odd whatsoever about Powell chosing to endorse a candidate who espouses Powell's own views regarding moderation.

Unless of course you're thoroughly perplexed by Democrat Joseph Leiberman's endorsement of John McCain as well? Oh wait, that must mean it's a White thing, right? Gotcha.

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"There's nothing odd whatsoever about Powell chosing to endorse a candidate who espouses Powell's own views regarding moderation."

Nobody knows what Obama really espouses since his positions keep changing.If he is lucky Powell's endorsement gives Obama the appearance of a quick study who impresses the old former sec. of state.

Powell donated to McCain's campaign and his son supports McCain.

Not that big of a deal.

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As Rush Limbaugh pointed out on his show today, Gen. Powell attained his global notoriety through conservative Republicans.

While stationed at Fort Carson, Colo., in 1980, he received a stinging OER from his C.O., Gen. John Hudachek, who said Gen Powell was a poor leader, undeserving of promotion. One would wonder how anyone in that light would one day become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, let alone be the subject of a campaign endorsement. The answer to that question lies in conservative Republicans.

It was President Reagan who appointed Gen. Powell as National Security Adviser, and later President George Herbert Walker Bush who promoted Powell to a 4-star General. Finally, it was President George W. Bush who appointed Gen. Powell to Secretary of State, becoming the first African-American to hold that position.

With Gen. Powell's endorsement of Obama, he decided that it would be a bigger sin to ruffle the feathers of those of his own race than that of the people who allowed him to become the man the world knows today. This is race-based politics at its lowest common denominator. Pride in one's heritage is an honorable thing, but to spit in the face of those who gave him the opportunity to succeed is far more disgraceful.

As a fellow Vietnam veteran, under no circumstances is this mean to undermine Colin Powell's service to my country. He served honorably.

However, if Gen. Powell wants to vote for obama when he's alone in the voting booth of Nov. 4th is one thing, but to publically endorse the opposition candidate to the political party that gave him boundless opportunities shows the moral void of Colin Powell.

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Colin Powell at the U.N.:

Banned materials have recently been removed from a number of Iraqi WMD facilities.... There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons... Saddam Hussein has never accounted for vast amounts of chemical weaponry... Saddam Hussein is determined to get his hands on a nuclear bomb... Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an associate and colloborator of Osama bin Laden... Leaving Saddam Hussein in possession of WMD for a few more months or years is not an option - not in the post 9/11 world...

Now, didn't Barack Obama disagree with all that? And yet he says, "I have been honored to have the benefit of his wisdom and his counsel, but today I'm beyond honor. I am deeply humbled to have the support of Gen. Colin Powell."

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Sure Sarge, Palin stares down Putin. Its impossible. Putin would roll her up in a rug and toss her off a bridge.

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Powell will be offered a position in the Obama Administration, he'll be responsible for hunting down trolls with no stones, aye sarge? Go Obama, go!

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RomeoRamenII,

Check out Gen. Hudachek's Wiki entry. It would seem that if we are looking there for a character reference on Powell, we'll first need a character reference for our character reference.

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romulus - Putin might indeed fantasize about about rolling Palin up in a rug and tossing her off a bridge.

Yang - Obama has said that Powell would play a part in his administration. He would have reneged on that, though, if Powell had endorsed McCain, like his son did. But this may just be all moot, because Obama just may get the surprise of his life on Nov.4.

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Why all the fuss? He has explained those reasons in detail why he chose Obama. They were sound and educated. He has like many supporters of Obama explained with good logic there choice. Being black is just an added bonus. He chose who he believes is the best out all the candidates available. Being Black (Obama)is just an added bonus because he is a positive figure that all Americans can look up to. (Especially minorities)

On the other hand very few have logically argued the reasons for McCain except they don't like Obama(majority White voters). Which is usually based on race or mistruths/lies. Which is why he is losing in the polls. There is not much to say about him. He is descent guy like Obama, but you can't really see that. Especially since he sold his "Soul to RNC." It isn't the media's fault so much as his bad decisions. Oh, he is a patriot. So are many others but that doesn't mean you should be President. Like Powell said, these recent events were like tests to see what they are made of. McCain's actions and decisions show he is not the best choice for these times. Many bad decisions!!!!!!

I also dislike his choice of Palin because she a big liar/hypocrite and his greatest weakness. She lies under the assumption that most people are basically ignorant. Being White is Right/American. How can you be Pro-America but your husband was member of a Secessionist Party? She may draw those types (illinformed)to the rallys but alienates the vast majority. Divide and Conquer. She contradicts him in so many ways. The fact she has been brought to the public stage means we might be hearing more of her in the future. I hope she doesn't become VP or Pres.

Obama08'

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Secessionist Party: Why should Alaska give their oil away, allow illegals to come in, and be expected to bail out the financials. -Makes sense to me and secession is a basic American right anyway. Maybe DC would finally listen if Alaska did secede. Even Lincoln endorsed secession.

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Secessionist Party: Why should Alaska give their oil away, allow illegals to come in, and be expected to bail out the financials. -Makes sense to me and secession is a basic American right anyway. Maybe DC would finally listen if Alaska did secede. Even Lincoln endorsed secession.

Giving oil away: When has Alaska given its oil away?

Illegals: They should not allow it, but good luck stopping it, especially when you need workers to harvest that delicious oil.

Bailing out financial markets: Alaska shouldn't have to, as long as they promise to give back all the Federal slush they've accumulated over the years as a net drain on tax contributions.

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gezzzzzzzzzzz you whites have been voting white for years now. so why do balck people have to feel guilty for?. Colin Powell made his choice, it ur opinion to agree or disagree. anyway whites may not vote Obama, when they are actually in that Booth. They say they back him now becuase its the PC thing to say. BUTtttttt when they actually have to check his name....forget it....they will choose geritol juice and "Bree van de camp" in the end ...way...they are white

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He is not voting simply because Obama is black. Besides, African-Americans have been voting for years for White candidates. How about White voters and Black candidates?

Damax6

You mean the Bradley affect?

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"aces production tax statutes"

0% sometimes. Depends on your definition of "giving it away" + the tax is a federal deduction = you are actually paying for them. = -(giving it away)

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General Colin Powel had an outstanding record in his the service of this country. A true American hero and patriot that deserves all the praise in the world.

But now that he has decided to throw his support to a man that he thinks would make a better President than McBush. What do the Neo Cons do? They call him every thing under the sun! That my friends is real sad and stupid.

Perfect examples, you have Rush yelling out that he is supporting Obama 08 because of race. Hannity is right behind Rush yelling the same race baiting bs. Real real sad Republicans real real sad!

McBush and his girl Thursday have brought out the worst in the ultra right wingers by race baiting. They have changed the direction of this campaign from a campaign on issues to a campaign on race.

You know it is so funny about the extreme right here and in the news. They claim to be fair true Americans, but with their racist remarks it just proves that they are anything but American.

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Badsey,

When was it that Lincoln endorsed secession? Are you talking about Texan independence from Mexico?

http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/secession.htm

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The Party of the Rich wants socialism. It's like watching medieval flagellants mortify themselves in the vain hope of relieving guilt and gaining favor with an imaginary diety.

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I've basically lost all respect for Secretary Powell. It's one thing to support and endorse a candidate because you stand with him on the issues. According to Powell himself, he is diametrically opposed to Obama on just aobut every issue, and this is all not to mention the glaring fact that three Republican Presidents put Colin Powell in the position he's in today. There is only one reason, and one reason alone that Colin Powell is endorsing Barack Obama...

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I have never written to JT before, but I have been following various discussions for over 7 months now. For me, it’s very interesting how Americans perceive events happening in their country. Regarding the discussion about socialism… I grew up in a socialist country. I can tell you about socialism as I remember it:

Low taxes; Free college education & free health care (we didn’t pay any money for either); Virtually no unemployment, no homelessness; Government working with the labor unions, not against them… It was the best time of my life, and most of my countrymen think the same way. We had a feeling of security and protection. We were not afraid of facing an uncertain future. There was, however, one “but”… The wonderful idea of socialism was destroyed by talentless leaders who were always abundant in our government. In the end, unfortunately, one guy, from the peasant class, got an education in the best university in the capital, became a lawyer, a member of the government, and then the first President of our country (all of this had happened and was possible under socialism). And then he went about destroying everything in the country, everything that was created by the hard work and enthusiasm of millions of people. Now you can see a different form of socialism in Sweden – it will appeal a bit more to you. It is different and it is working this time around. Regarding the fears about establishment of socialism in the USA – I want to give a quote from Newsweek magazine (Oct. 27, 2008) by an American citizen from Maine: “… Despite what free market capitalists assert, the current economic debacle demonstrates that capitalism doesn’t work for the common good unless it is regulated. Regulation levels the playing field between the relentless pursuit of profit and the need to temper it with some humanity to provide vital services to all citizens. Our economic system is not based solely on capitalism, but is a blend of capitalism and socialism. Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and public education are examples of government-run social programs. We need to restore the balance between unregulated capitalism and reasonable regulation that keeps business from its excesses if we are to have a just society that works for all”. As for elections, I am very sorry I am not able to vote for Barack Obama as I’m still not a citizen. I don’t think his “socialist” leanings will harm America. Electing him President will be a hard blow to racism, most dangerous of all displays of cruelty and inhumanity. I think it is still the main objection that people have to his candidacy. Choosing him as the next President will strengthen the authority of USA around the world. With all due respect to the military accomplishments of the other candidate, I can say only: He is a good guy, but in the wrong time. Choosing him as a President will be a step backwards for America… I hope Obama will become the next President of the United States, but at the same time I worry…

nadiya1

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I was surprised to find such a famous columnist of “Human Events. com” as Ann Coulter amidst the readers of JT. But I don’t recognize her style of writing. Are you really Ann Coulter? After the very popular “Obama: Lucifer Is My Homeboy” -7721 comments ,09.17.08.(http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28597), “If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans” etc. in Human Events , her “Black persons who will vote for Obama because of his and Powell's color are being racist” (JT, 02:00 PM, Oct.20) looks very modest indeed. Usually, her readers curse their opponents and send to hell those who oppose them. Very strange for people who say they believe in God. Who can tell me why Republicans are supported by the most aggressive sort of people in America?

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BlueTiger,

What is the one reason and one reason alone that Powell is supporting Obama? because he's a "transformational figure"? because he's a "generational change"?

Or maybe it's because Obama has

...displayed a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity, a depth of knowledge, and an approach to looking at problems like this, and in picking a Vice President that I think is ready to be President on Day One, and also in not just jumping in and changing every day, but in showing intellectual vigor, I think he has a definitive way of doing business that will serve us well.

Which of these reasons did you have in mind?

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*SezWho2 -- If oyu have to ask, there's no reason to explain it to you...

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SezWho2 at 07:04 AM JST - 24th October ...displayed a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity, a depth of knowledge, and an approach to looking at problems like this, and in picking a Vice President that I think is ready to be President on Day One, and also in not just jumping in and changing every day, but in showing intellectual vigor, I think he has a definitive way of doing business that will serve us well.

Very nice, I like it when someone uses fact like you have. Collin Powell endorsed Obama not because they were the same skin color. Or because Collin Powell is looking for a job.

Powell endorsed Obama because he sees someone who will be a good and fair leader and not someone who is erratic like John Mc has the last few months.

I find it so funny that the Right wingers here can not accept that General Powell, or should I call him Secretary of State Powell would pick someone other than on the bases of race.

I wonder how they feel about other Republicans picking him, you know like;

Ken Adelman (worked for RR), Ken Adelman, Scott McClellan, Paul O'Neill, General John Adams, General Richard D. Hearney, General Merrill McPeak, William H. Donaldson, Christopher Buckley, Jeffrey Hart.......and so on

All these must also of endorsed Obama because or race also! LOL

You guys just can not accept the FACT that Obama is the better of the two. He is also the most rational of the two.

Hell when Christopher Buckley does not support McBush you must accept the fact that McBush is not worthy of the position of President and Obama is.......

Christopher Buckley .....Christopher Buckley.....Christopher Buckley.

LOL

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BlueTiger,

You don't have to explain it. Just state it. Is there something you're afraid to say? Or would it be that when you say it, it just sounds silly? Or maybe it's that you have no supporting evidence for it?

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