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Another stark contrast between the BLM protestors and the right wing nut seditionists.

Racial injustice does exist. It is a real problem, that good Americans should seek to solve.

The 2020 election, OTOH, was not "stolen". Multiple local, state and federal election officials have confirmed that it was a free and fair election. Multiple courts have agreed.

So one movement is premised on a truth, and the other is premised on a lie.

An important distinction, IMHO.

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Let's see....20,000 troops, practically an invasion force. Concrete barriers. Razor wire. Bomb sniffing dogs. Metal detectors in the Capitol building. National Mall closed. AirBNB cancelling all reservations. Airlines banning weapons and alcohol on flights to DC.

Plots to kidnap and execute elected officials. Social media posts calling for the murdering of left-wing politicians. Plans to take over government buildings. Wrist ties. Assault rifles and body armor. The FBI calling right-wing extremists the biggest threat facing the entire country.

Yep, pretty much the same as BLM, I guess.

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The media, nor the author know the sentiments of these people concerning the people incident.

Pretty easy to deduce the sentiments when they refuse to condemn the violence, when they continue to support the lies of Trump, when they continue to play false 'what about' games and continue to peddle conspiracies and deal in seditious language.

When members of Congress don't vote to impeach, when people like Jim Jordan, Lauren Broebert, and Margorie Taylor-Greene in addition to Matt Gaetz continue to support the lies, the falsehoods, and the gaslighting pandering... yeah, pretty doggone easy to 'deduce the sentiments' of people who continue to support this lot.

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People actually compare an unarmed black person being murdered by law enforcement to a group of nutjobs trying to overturn an election after believing lie upon lie spewed out by a bigger mentally unstable nutjob...I get it I really do...

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Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?

Police brutality is overwhelmingly targeted at blacks and minorities.

Here's some actual figures to educate yourself:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

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Mr. Noidall

As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootingsshowed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

14 unarmed black victims from a population of about 13%.

25 unarmed white victims from a population of about 70%.

Which is the greater per capita?

For whites to have the same per capita, 75 whites would have to have been killed.

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As others have pointed out, the biggest difference is, "the big lie." The violent Trump supporters (and peaceful ones as well) are being fed disinformation by their party leaders to whip the base into a frenzy. It's calculated. It's planned out. The election was not stolen, never was stolen, and there is no evidence of it being stolen. Your leaders are lying to you.

Protests by groups like BLM are over REAL things like documented police brutality. Obviously neither side is excused from violence, but the fact that the GOP is the one manufacturing the hostile atmosphere is a difference that should be called out and put front and center.

Additionally, as I mentioned in my last post, the right-wing owns things like straight-up terrorist attacks. The MAGA bomber, for example.

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Less than a day spent storming the capitol resulted in 5 deaths.

Weeks of protest and "rioting" over the summer resulted in how many deaths?

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Mr. NoidallToday  09:04 am JST

Affirmative action? Current American universities?

What about police brutality against whites, because they're white. That was what you were originally talking about, wasn't it? You suggested that there was evidence, where is it?

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Affirmative action? Current American universities?

There's only one category of people who actually think that "reverse racism" or "racism against white people" is a real problem in modern democracies, and that category is... You guessed it: racist white people!

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Frankly this topic is tiring. 

Give it a rest then.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Lazarus Knows

"You appear to believe one thing at one time in the morning, and another thing at another time."

Now there's a couldn't be a truer Trump kind of statement if I ever did hear one.

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There is no moral equivalence between protests about racism at which there was isolated violence and an aborted coup attempt in which violence was the whole point.

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The Capitol siege looked more like Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch than anything attempted by Black Lives Matter, except, instead of being angry about the Treaty of Versailles, the rioters were upset about Trump losing in the presidential election. Like Hitler, Trump lost this time, but what about the next time?

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There’s plenty of evidence of whites being brutalized by police.

Nobody said there wasn't. Nobody said the police didn't also kill white people. But for the third time now, police brutality in America is overwhelmingly targeted at blacks and minorities. It's proven and based on facts. You have more chances of being killed by the police when you are black than when you are white. That is an institutional problem. A problem that leads to regular protests on the streets.

Election fraud, on the other hand it not a problem. It does not warrant protests, much less riots, and certainly not the violent invasion of the Capitol building.

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JsapcToday  08:53 am JST

Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?

Police brutality is overwhelmingly targeted at blacks and minorities.

Here's some actual figures to educate yourself:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

There are some cops looking for excuse for abuse - they don't like gay white men, or white men with long hair or headbands, or college students, whatever. But most police brutality IS geared against Blacks and other minorities. Remember Rodney King? When that happened, you could say it was either a 'racial' incident or maybe not. When I heard the dialog audio later on, there was no doubt. It was a racist incident.

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but not someone who actually believes his voting rights were trampled by a full blown high tech, mass media, voter irregularities front?

THIS.

DIDN'T.

HAPPEN.

Sigh.

The fact that this thoroughly debunked narrative is still being pushed is a cause for worry.

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I completely did agree with this article.

Wonderful me too.

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NorthernlifeToday  08:11 am JST

People actually compare an unarmed black person being murdered by law enforcement to a group of nutjobs trying to overturn an election after believing lie upon lie spewed out by a bigger mentally unstable nutjob...I get it I really do...

I think what's being compared is equal rights activists protesting against decades-old, systemic injustice against an ethnic minority, resulting in several weeks of mostly peaceful demonstrations and a group with violent racist and white supremacist elements going on a day-long orgy of violence because of unproven allegations of election fraud made by one delusional crook with political pretentions. I daresay the apologists will say the BLM protests went on for several weeks whereas Trump's mob only went on a one-day rampage, but does anyone seriously think they're going to just stop after that? There's also clear evidence and undeniable examples of police brutality against black people, e.g. what happened to George Floyd. Trump can't even prove to Republican-appointed judges that he has a case. Any comparison is therefore going to be a completely false equivalency.

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Mr. NoidallToday  08:50 am JST

"There's also clear evidence and undeniable examples of police brutality against black people, e.g. what happened to George Floyd."

Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?

You mean instances of institutional mistreatment of white people on the basis of their skin colour? Why, do you have any?

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The BLM protests were protesting about their lack of democracy.

The congress stormers were trying to stop the democracy and destroy the EC ballot boxes to overturn the democratic elections. Also to hang and kill VP Pence and Pelosi.

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Mr. NoidallToday  09:25 am JST

"What about police brutality against whites, because they're white. That was what you were originally talking about, wasn't it? You suggested that there was evidence, where is it?"

Where’s the evidence of police brutality because they’re black?

Why don't you answer my question first.

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Attilathehungry

But you did post earlier

Hundreds of buildings burned to the ground.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/

Thousands of businesses vandalized and forced to shut down.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/

Upwards of 30 people killed.

Incorrect. Only one retired cop.

12 police officers shot.

Incorrect

Hundreds of vehicles *incuding police vehicles" burned

?

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Lugburhz

Stop the over use of the "there was no fraud, move on",

Why?

did democrats, Biden, Pelosi or other ever stopped calling Trump illegitimate President? who robebd and hijaked the 2016 election?

No. They didn't. Clinton conceded the next morning.

Local hearings didn't just say "it was a fair election" they acknowledged some or several irregularities took place, but 1) failed to invistagate their extent (how many actual votes were affected by each airregularity) and 2) failed to invistaigate the origin, motiviation etc behind those, and still just claimed their existance didn't amount to much as to overturn an election, therefore nothing to be done. Most courts did the same, as Trump lawyers can only present as much evidence as volutariy, publicly available as possible. To prove and persecute large scale fraud, guess what? a full scale law enforcement lead investigation is needed!

Why? If there clearly is election fraud, the evidence would clearly be there. The way that Trump and team are looking at is that they didn't win, therefore fraud, therefore we need to find evidence. It's ass backwards. That's why nothing has changed. It's because Biden won by a landslide fair and square.

which is what was and has been denied. Therefore people whose strive to have that investigation at least reveal the truth in numbers, are rightfully angry.

No they aren't. They are angry because their guy didn't win and they can't accept losing.

Trump even said he would concede defeat if teh numbers were ratified against real people and real signatures on the ballot envelopes (oin the case of mail-in) so if a full scale deep investigation and ratified re-count had been done and say Biden were 78 million and trump 76 million, then that would have been the end of it.

Real signatures? Of course they are ratified against real signatures. It's a smokescreen.

But the courts and hearings only just said we con't bother to go that far, just move on. Even considerering the unconstitutional changes to the electoral law in several states!

The courts only judge on what's presented. Whether the changes were unconstitutional doesn't matter. The changes were made to keep people safe during Covid. Why would you be arguing that the vote wasn't suppressed enough for Trump to win?

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@Mr. Noidall one was a riot the other was an invasion an attack on democracy get it? Yep thought not...What’s crazy, is millions actually can't work out in their little peanuts the difference between the two..

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The police and FBI could find no direct evidence that the looting and burning of properties during the BLM protests were members of the BLM/Antifa.

Leaked documents show police knew far-right extremists were the real threat at protests, not “antifa”

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

The people who violently attacked the congress are being arrest with plenty of evidence that were Trump thugs. Those arrests will be many hundreds by the end.

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Trump "has held over 600 rallies in the last four years. None of them included assaulting police, destroying businesses or burning down cities,” Greene said.

Blue Lives Matter...until they don't, apparently.

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A recent study has shown what anyone who has read real history has always known:

*Police in the United States are three times more likely to use force against left-wing protesters than right-wing protesters, according to new data from a non-profit that monitors political violence around the world.*

The exact same behavior was observed in Weimar Germany when the police handled Nazi thugs with kid gloves reserving their batons and boots for dealing with "the commies". Understanding the reasons for the sinister partiality of the police and military is not rocket science. The famous slogan of that time which went unheeded and was unable to wean the Yahoos away from the cult leader, Hitler, "Der Feind steht rechts!" (The Enemy is on the Right!), provides a lesson that millions of Americans have yet to learn. Scary times still lie ahead!

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Tony Timpa was killed just like Floyd. Daniel shaver was killed for much less. 

These are also bad, and BLM supports any efforts to get justice by anyone murdered by the police:

When video footage was released Friday of a white Mesa, Ariz., police officer shooting dead a white man after the victim begged for his life while crawling on the floor, it was Black Lives Matter activists who called his death an outrage. The All Lives Matter crowd said nothing about Daniel Shaver's violent demise

https://www.nola.com/opinions/article_4f6138fe-ea8c-551b-9e60-9e99feacacf2.html

The rally, held in Floyd’s name, was about much more than his legacy. It was also about Botham Jean, a black man shot and killed by a Dallas police officer after she entered his apartment believing it was her own. It was about Darius Tarver, a black man shot and killed by Denton police after being tased while suffering a mental breakdown. It was about Tony Timpa, a white man suffocated by Dallas police after he was arrested, like Floyd. It was about Atatiana Jefferson, a black woman shot and killed through a window by Fort Worth police while she babysat her nephew. The rally was about all police brutality, fatal or not, and its disproportionate effect on the black community.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2020/06/this-rage-that-you-hear-is-real-on-the-ground-at-the-dallas-protests/

There are even suggestions that many cops ignore crime in black neighborhoods because they don’t want to be falsely accused of racism.

Well, hang on. You said before that black neighbourhoods are heavily policed because that's where all the crime is. Now you're saying that actually police don't deal with crime in black neighbourhoods? Again, could you please try to posit a cohesive stance. You appear to believe one thing at one time in the morning, and another thing at another time.

I note that you also haven't addressed the fact that a black man accused of passing forged currency was murdered, while a white man who murdered two people was treated with kid gloves. What is your explanation for this?

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They are. But in light of the events this summer, this is what’s happening.

Do police heavily patrol black neighbourhoods, or not? Can you support your claim that police officers are "ignoring crime"? Can you support your contention that this ignorance began this summer?

Exactly. Cops are equal opportunity brutalizers.

They are not. Even you accept that black people are disproportionately more likely to be killed by police. That is not "equal opportunity", by your own admission.

There was also no outrage from almost anyone.

No, there was outrage from BLM, who protested the killings.

That’s because these killings weren’t reported in the same sensationalistic way as the cases where the victim was black. You proved the point: their is no pogrom against blacks. You were misled by the media into believing that blacks are suffering disproportionately from police brutality.

You accepted, in your post above, that black people are disproportionately suffering from police brutality. I'll remind you:

The link I posted did say that blacks are shot disproportionately. 

No-one in the BLM movement claims this.

Probably because he was legally armed and probably cooperated with police.

It was illegal for him to have a gun, the police let him go, and — as a reminder — it is illegal to murder people. I find it unusual that you need to be taught this, but Rittenhouse committed one of the most terrible crimes you can commit, twice, with an illegal weapon. The police were there, and they didn't arrest him on the spot. They let him go home. Why do you think that was?

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"Reliable source"... even you have to accept there is no such thing.

I do not accept this. There is no credible evidence of voter fraud in the US that affected the results of the US election. Trump appointed judge after Trump appointed judge confirmed this. Far-right activists planned to storm the Capitol, planted bombs, and possibly even plotted to kill congresspeople. They planned it, and admitted to planning it.

I'm afraid that you have been drastically misinformed.

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These are facts, not theories.

Here are some real facts:

trump lost. You’ll just have to deal with it.

If it was the left that were causing the rioting last week that would tell us 2 things; trump fans didn’t fight and gave up already or they are dumber than we thought and will believe anything they are told. Either is not a good look.

But it wasn’t the left. It was the dumb right. To deny that with ‘theories’ is wrong. You are wrong.

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Why didn't the capitol police use more force against the people storming the building? Isn't police use of force what started BLM?

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Trump "has held over 600 rallies in the last four years. None of them included assaulting police, destroying businesses or burning down cities,” Greene said.

Plenty of them included violent rhetoric, violent removal of attendees and calls for violence.

BLM and anti-fascists protested (around the world) at the horrific actions of an inherently racist system, which results in black people being murdered repeatedly. I hope they will continue their protests, as long as the system remains in place, regardless of which party is in power.

That is a genuine reason for people to be protesting.

What are the fascists who stormed the Capitol protesting about? The Confederate flag holders, the guys in Camp Auschwitz shirts, the guys who shout "fck antifa" and "hang Mike Pence", etc?

Who are they taking their country back from?

Over the summer, he called the Black Lives Matters protesters “thugs” and “terrorists.”

Which, as most people know, is thinly veiled code.

Trump may be out, but there's still the nazis to deal with.

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These are facts, not theories.

Repeat something often enough and some will begin to believe it, but that doesn’t make it a fact.

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"Put it into context"

"Upwards of 30 people killed"

False claim out of context

"ACLED found that the overwhelming majority of the more than 9.000 Black Lives Matter demonstrations that took place across the US after the killing of George Floyd have been peaceful. News reports at the height of demonstrations over Floyd’s killing cited dozens of deaths in connection with protests, but many of those turned out to be examples of deadly crimes carried out in the vicinity of protests, rather than directly related to the demonstrations themselves, the researchers concluded. ACLED’s dataset only focuses on political violence."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

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Last week's idiocy at the Capitol needs to be condemned and those who participated need to be arrested. But it also needs to be put in context.

Aye.

Summer uprising against a racist system, racist cops and a racist PotUS. The far right melt down over buildings and property and police.

Last week. The result of 4 years of violent, angry, dishonest rhetoric, an act of sedition. The far right dismisses the attack on buildings, property and police. Meltdown over being caught out and exposed for what they are.

One was a genuine, ongoing continuance of disobedience against white power.

The other was spoilt murderous brats whipped into a frenzy by an irresponsible, immature, vain, corrupt, treacherous bigot who lies for a living.

Got it yet?

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As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootingsshowed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

What do you think of this paragraph, from your own link?

Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than White Americans

Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.

Did you miss it? I think that would be unlikely, given its prominence. Or, did you choose not to mention it? If so, why?

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12 police officers shot.

FACTCHECK

“More than 20 police officers are dead now because of the riots.”

One officer’s death has been conclusively connected to violence during protests, retired police captain David Dorn.

100% false

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/10/facebook-posts/post-inflates-number-police-killed-connection-prot/

5 ( +9 / -4 )

So@Zichi

I'm not zichi.

Blacks (I’m being very abstract) commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population. Especially homicides. Black neighborhoods are heavily policed because the law abiding citizens that live in those neighborhoods call them very frequently (and now they want to take the cops away!) Black males, 6% of the population, commit upwards of 60% of all homicides. Simply put, blacks are involved with cops at a rate disproportionate to their population. Factor in the negative effects of “the talk”, resisting arrest, fight physically with the officer. There’s plausible reasons to explain what’s happening that don’t support the cops are racist narrative.

Ignoring the clear ignorance of wider societal issues that contribute towards higher rates of criminality (institutional racism, the associated poverty, etc.), you've totally changed your argument.

Before, you were saying, "black people aren't killed by the police disproportionately", and, for reasons I'm not clear on, gave a link that disproved what you were trying to prove. Now, you're saying, "yes, black people are disproportionately killed by police, but it's good, actually".

Could you make up your mind? Are black people disproportionately killed by police or not? And do you think it's good or not?

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I know. I was replying to him.

I see. It's just that you quoted my post. So, you can see how I became confused.

What I mean is that from your point of view, blacks are killed at a higher rate.

This is inarguable. Your own link said so.

What I'm asking you, and what you didn't address, is what you actually think. You started by saying that, no, black people aren't disproportionately killed by police. You posted a link to try to support this position, despite the fact that it disagreed with your assessment.

Now, you seem to be saying: yes, black people are disproportionately killed by police, but you don't care because you think that it is just.

What I notice about both of these positions you have adopted this morning, despite the fact that they contradict each other, is that they deny that racism is a factor or even a possibility. If black people aren't killed disproportionally, then there cannot be racism. If they are, it's their fault, so it's not racism.

You seem unwilling, or perhaps unable, to face the well studied and accepted fact of systemic racism across US society — including in its police force.

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What is claimed by the BLM is that too many African Americans daily experience racism from the cops and too many suffer at the hands of police brutality. That is not too say, other lives don't matter, like storming of the Capitol, Blue Lives Matter.

The store clerk in the George Floyd case phoned the cops claiming he had a forged $20 bill. Cops didn't check that out and killed him in a choke hold. Turned out, the bill wasn't forged. Unfortunately, Floyd wasn't just an isolated case.

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Also numerous examples of decent hard-working African Americans pleading for MORE police presence in their communities. The whole "defund the police" movement ignored them.

No, it really didn't. "Defund the police" is a catastrophically bad slogan, because it makes it seems like it means "Abolish the police". The right pounced on it an immediately made everything think that was the actual aim. Which it never was, and was never meant to be. "Defunding" in this case means "Put money to better use".

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/

"“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean 

abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew.

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No I didn’t accept that blacks are suffering more from police brutality. I admitted that blacks are shot more by police because they are more resistant and violent towards police when they encounter police, which is more often because they commit more crime.

You have presented no evidence of this.

Not because they are black. I’m done with you on this point.

Thank you for conceeding.

if I’m not mistaken, he was arrested and is awaiting due process.

He was arrested later, at his home. He was pictured earlier this year out drinking (while underage) while on bail.

If a black teenager shot three people in the street, killing two, do you think the police would let that teenager go home and rest before quietly arresting him?

No I don’t need to be told about the wrongness of murder.

You said that he was allowed to go home because he was complying with the law. Murdering people is not in compliance with the law.

Did he cooperate with the cops when they approached him? We all saw the lawlessness many people were allowed to commit over the summer. A police station was allowed to burn while cops and national guard stood by. Elderly were beaten during the summer riots by black protesters, on film, nothing happened.

Presented again without evidence.

I don’t know. I wasn’t in the cops head and I don’t know all the exact details of the case. It’s best not to assume. Is possible, yes, but I don’t know.

Oh. Before you knew it was because he obeyed the law, and was legally armed, neither of which were true. Again: given that a black man was murdered for suspicion of passing counterfeit currency, do you think a black teenager would be allowed to just walk away from the scene if he killed two people with an illegal firearm? Do you think that black teenager would be partying it up and drinking illegally, on camera, in breach of parole, with no consequences?

Incidentally, Rittenhouse was drinking with the fascist street gang Proud Boys and throwing up white supremacist signs.

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The speech finished at about 1:12PM, which is after the attack on Capitol Hill started.

The storming of the Capitol wasn't some spontaneous outburst because of the rally call by Trump. It was a preplanned with people in heavy combat gear, major helmets than worn by the cops, carrying various weapons including pipe bombs and other explosives. Ropes, sledge hammers and walkie talkies. The leader of the storming admits to it and was helped by two republican representatives.

It was going to happen regardless of what Trump said but that also added fuel to the fire and other supporters at the rally marched on the Capitol.

The "Save America March" and rally that preceded the riots at the Capitol were largely organized by Women for America First, an organization chaired by Amy Kremer

Ali Alexander, a right-wing political activist who took part in organizing the rally and expressed support for the storming as "completely peaceful", was reported as saying in December that Representatives Paul Gosar (R–AZ), Andy Biggs (R–AZ) and Mo Brooks (R–AL) were involved in the planning of "something big". "We’re the four guys who came up with a January 6 event,” he said.

Q-Anon, Confederate flag man, and Baked Alaska also organised that group.

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Attilathehungry

Zichi, if you think poverty causes African Americans to riot and loot, well all I can say is that is a rather racist statement. I didn't see too many mothers stealing baby formula and bread for their starving children. What I DID see was a large number of young black men stealing consumer goods- shoes, tvs, cosmetics etc.

I didn't say that. I said the racism and brutality led to forming of the BLM movement and protests. Opportunity for others to riot, loot and steal. Poverty is definitely part of the problem. That is not a racist statement.

You link to a British right wing newspaper.

Yes, black racism in America was worse before with slavery and lynch mobs hanging blacks. But none of that excuses the current racist situation in America.

Riots and looting come from poverty, political neglect, poor health conditions and opportunity. America isn't the only country to have riots. Way back to the LA Watts Riots and all the way to Brixton in London, Toxteth in Liverpool.

You are more concerned about the destruction and theft of property than the cost of lives.

American racism remains a major issue. Just ask the people who live with it. My black daughters and black friends experience racism almost daily.

Create a society without the racism.

As for Americans, there are more who are not racist than are.

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Those riots in 2020 were started up by pro-Trump militia trash who infiltrated 'BLM' demonstrators and stirred up violence. This occured in several cities, and they wouldn't have happened if police dept.s had cleaned up their act and quit allowing these 'pigs with badges' keep on murdering Black suspects and getting away with it.

In my home city we had our first female and lesbian police dept. head but she turned out to be a negligent racist. She tried to fire a Black lady cop but the FBI intervened and she also 'lost' 100,000 hours of body-cam footage detailing her police killing Blacks. By the time she retired in 2019 she had brought our city PD to shame and disgrace (it even had a scandal involving Stormy Daniels) and even the city's gay community has disowned her.

Yet it wasn't BLM that was smashing Statehouse windows or storming the Capitol last week, no no. Sure, the rioting and looting and burning was done by people of all colors and races but those were opportunists, not instigators. Who started all the riotings, who set the sparks every time? White racist militia scum, encouraged by the criminal TrashTrump.

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@Mrnoitall Yeah, I get it...yeah I dont think so...anyhow enjoy your day.

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WobotToday  08:56 am JST

The amount of property destruction and violence carried out by 'the left' has been incomparable to 'the right' though. One MAGA march where the police actually let people in and didn't really smash that much up versus a whole summer of destruction?

You really think all this is going to end with one MAGA march? Which ended up with five people dead?

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https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/909245646/review-of-federal-charges-in-portland-unrest-show-most-are-misdemeanors

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-race-and-ethnicity-suburbs-health-racial-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

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Trump "has held over 600 rallies in the last four years. None of them included assaulting police, destroying businesses or burning down cities,” Greene said.

But people need a scapegoat to blame, so....

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Thank you for providing the information which contradicts your above points.

Whites constitute over 70% of the population compared to 13% blacks. Now, bearing that in mind, try again.

Mr. Noidall

As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019

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$2 Billion in damage.

That actually includes insurance claims for loss of business due to closures. 40 percent of small to mid-sized businesses are also protected by business interruption coverage. The claims are also for property stolen from looting.

https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2020/06/02/297361.htm

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Mr. Noidall

So@Zichi Blacks (I’m being very abstract) commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population. Especially homicides.

Mostly not a very accurate statement

Black homicides are mostly against other blacks and often gang related. Blacks live in greater poverty than white.

Fact check: Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black crime are similar

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fact-check-meme-shows-incorrect-homicide-stats-race/5739522002/

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So, I and the facts don’t believe cops are systematically murdering blacks.

Except the facts prove you wrong and YOU just choose to believe something inherently racist that comforts your right-wing worldview. That black people are just more violent and therefore just more likely to be killed by police (like it's a completely normal thing, by the way. Even if you stereotypically deplorable opinions were true... Ever heard of "due process"? Police is supposed to arrest criminals, not kill them.)

Everything you're trying to debate is not even up for debate, except on Parler and OAN. White privilege exists, minorities are more likely to be killed and oppressed, BLM addresses an institutional problem that needs to be solved and invading the Capitol with pipe bombs and zip ties is much, much worse than burning a Gap. That's about it.

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I will be the first to admit there are racist cops, and police brutality perpetrated by racist cops. 

You have spent a lot of time this morning trying to excuse or ignore it. But I'm glad that you have finally accepted that black people are disproportionately killed by police. It's very encouraging that you changed your mind from your earlier stance after actually examining the evidence.

I’ll say it again, the facts and stats show that blacks are not systematically killed by cops in a racist plot... But the evil cops hunting blacks like game? No.

No-one has claimed this. What is being claimed is that black people are often killed in circumstances where a white person wouldn't be, or accused of resisting arrest where a white person would be dealt with more carefully. Consider George Floyd was murdered for supposedly trying to pass a fake $20 bill, while Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people, killing two, and was allowed to go home before police calmly and carefully arrested him.

There is racial bias against non-white people in all segments of American society. Denying it exists in law enforcement despite the reams of evidence that it is pervasive is not very good.

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It's amazing the lengths some people are willing to debate in order to prove they're really racist. Impressive, almost.

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I admitted that blacks are shot more by police because they are more resistant and violent towards police when they encounter police, which is more often because they commit more crime.

Such naked bigotry on display.

Ugh.

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Only Losers will consider them to be equivalent.

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Factor in the negative effects of “the talk”, resisting arrest, fight physically with the officer. There’s plausible reasons to explain what’s happening that don’t support the cops are racist narrative.

A far right commentary that excuses the racist, murderous system, yet again.

Imagine getting stopped by the cops, again and again. Even though you've done nothing. Or maybe your backlight is faulty or your tire is flat. But you just have to accept the harassment? Because if you don't, there's a good chance of being shot or asphyxiated.

Yes, not all cops are racist or corrupt. Besides the cops who may have allowed protesters in (and worse - investigations are ongoing) there were cops in the Capitol who were protecting the place. The good guys, if you like.

But the system is stacked against black Americans.

This has to change.

The dishonesty and veiled bigotry has to stop.

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Attilathehungry

Zichi; stolen property is damage. Lost business is damage. As of course is looting, arson, graffiti, etc. I am not sure what your point is. The ity of Minneapolis alone saw 1,500 businesses heavily damaged during the riots. Not sure why you are trying to downplay the genuine carnage and loss caused by the riots this summer.

I am not down playing anything except the point of who was doing the looting and burning. One store was torched by a known white right winger.

I deplore the looting and burning and only believe in peaceful protests and civil disobediences. Even the peaceful protests were attacked by the cops.

You are stating that the riots and looting were caused by members of the BLM. But law enforcement agencies can't find evidence that they were. Often, people from out of town. I also watched videos of black people trying to stop other people from looting and burning. One guy who was breaking up the sidewalk to make rocks to throw at the cops was jumped on by a group of protestors and handed over to the cops.

Fact checking your posted points turned out to be incorrect.

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Lugburhz, you need to get your news from more reliable sources.

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The riots had little to do with poverty and a lot to do with politics.

It had to do with both. And many other factors, including capitalism, rampant consumerism, and being constantly downtrodden, told not to protest etc

It's interesting how the US far right is concerned about property, rather than people. Destroying property is a good way to get their attention, mind.

the US is among the least racist countries on earth.

This is blatant nonsense. I've said before how welcoming it is, but the racism is there and on display, each and every day. From a crazed PotUS to the gated communities, ivory towers and institutional racism.

A link from the notoriously fascist Daily Mail isn't going to prove otherwise.

But.

In fairness to the many, many decent Americans out there - there's more of you than there is of the bigots.

As you proved in November.

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Mr. Noidall

I'm not zichi.

The post is the comparison between the Capitol siege and the BLM protests which were against racism and police brutality.

George Floyd who was killed by a cop choke hold and wasn't even committing a crime when arrested. Breonna Taylor was in her bed when killed by cops.

Blacks are stopped by cops for the color of their skin. Goes wrong when that person is rich or a celebrity then egg on their face. Blacks get pulled over if the cop thinks they can't afford a luxury car. Racism is when a whole group of people suffer even if a minority are involved in crimes.

African Americans are not free from the wrong doings of some but too many have low income levels and poor housing conditions.

Many people, regardless of race, who live in poverty will likely turn to some kind of crime. Take the money away from a rich person, they'll soon become a thief.

Too many African Americans experience police brutality just because of the color of their skin.

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Why weren't tear gas and rubber bullets deployed in the capitol when it was being stormed? Often times peaceful protests escalated because police used force.

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Attilathehungry

Zichi, the numbers are for all the riots this summer, not just Minneapolis. You are really splitting hairs here. I am not sure why you are trying to minimize the damage and destruction caused.

No I am not but you would have to agree if the damages cost $2 billion, this in fact is the effect and not the cause. So if we want to prevent those protests then in the end, it would be would be cheaper to reform the society and change the racism and brutality.

The cause are the racism and police brutality. The effect are the BLM protests which also create the opportunity for others to riot, loot, burn. Part of the cause is the poverty experienced by too many African Americans.

How does that compare with the storming of the Capitol last week? Right wing thugs trying to overturn the democratic election vote, which in a single event caused the deaths of 7 people, including the shooting of one thug and the murder of a Capitol cop by beating over the head.

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9/11 and Pearl Harbor were much worse.

Not committed by far right Trump supporters, as far as I'm aware. Or Antifascists, come to think of it.

The Capitol sedition was carried out by, and incited by, domestic terrorists and their enablers.

Because racists move to Japan, marry Japanese citizens and raise children with them.

Some do, yes. Some high profile bigots over the years have spouses who are ethnically different to them. This only goes to highlight the irrational, illogical, contradictory and profoundly stupid nature of racism.

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The internet where today's Klansmen hide.

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What the Preseident as calling for is to make their voices heard "as hell" so that the senators and representaives would have the courage or push to protest the ellectoral votes. THAT'S IT.

More apologism for attempts to overturn democracy.

The far right will keep on with this narrative as long is goes unchallenged.

Make sure it doesn't.

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You really think all this is going to end with one MAGA march? Which ended up with five people dead?

You will have a point if BLM-Antifa types completely adopt a policy of 100% non-violence.. a gandhian styled philosophy..

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@Lazarus Knows

"Reliable source"... even you have to accept there is no such thing. You know every media out there is on one side or the other. There is no objective media anymore.

What I do is try to listen and what the whole unendited hearings and speeches and events as much as possible and mute the commentaries and opinions of so called "journalists", who do not exist anymore, at least regarding to this issue of Trump.

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Zichi, if you think poverty causes African Americans to riot and loot, well all I can say is that is a rather racist statement. I didn't see too many mothers stealing baby formula and bread for their starving children. What I DID see was a large number of young black men stealing consumer goods- shoes, tvs, cosmetics etc.

The riots had little to do with poverty and a lot to do with politics.

As for racism being a cause, the US is among the least racist countries on earth. It used to be much worse. People of different races couldn't marry. They can now. Schools were segregated by race. They aren't now. An interesting survey showed that Americans, when asked whether they would mind having neighbors of a different race, answered overwhelmingly "no".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

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@Jsapc

So you label as racist anyone with an opinion different than yours? That is ... racist!! It is actualy not. It's bigoted, childish and lazy.

Where's the tolerance? so you tolerate a middle eastern relligious man who believes his God hates sexual sins, and orders females to a certain status, or a Death Goddess(la Muerte) beliving latino immigrant? but not someone who actually believes his voting rights were trampled by a full blown high tech, mass media, voter irregularities front? and a justice system deaf and callous enough to skip launching real law backed investigations based on extensive, if circumstancial or testimonial, evidence, precisely because it is just circumstancial or testimonial! It is like, Ok we haven't found the smoking gun, but there's pelnty of smoke so let's investigate, and they said no beause it's just smoke... that's why you have suspicions and that's why you launch deep investigations.

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Australian deputy prime minister (Scott Morrison is away on holiday again), has expressed the same views. Stubbornly deflecting the howls of criticism from everyone except the Liberal party. Scoundrels all.

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Zichi, I did not say that all the actual looters and arsonists were in BLM, that would be silly. However, they were present at BLM/Antifa sponsored events and took advantage of the situation. And their actions were condoned by many in the media and political spheres. And there remain the sticky realities of the damage done, businesses and families ruined, and the lasting damage to the cities which were violated.

I also saw numerous examples of good citizens of all races trying to de-escalate violence, and good for them. Also numerous examples of decent hard-working African Americans pleading for MORE police presence in their communities. The whole "defund the police" movement ignored them.

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Oh, now BLM cries. Where were their cries when black people business and livelihoods were burnt to the ground in those cities riots??

Think straight for a minute. Trump's speech was at the WH, some 40 minute walt to the Capitol. There were no cars or transportation allowed in the vicinity so people who listened to the speech needed to cover that span walking. The speech finished at about 1:12PM, which is after the attack on Capitol Hill started.

Where's the logic on that.

Where they watching the speech just before attacking? Give me a break.

On the ground reporters at the time of the attack have said there was no signal reception for minutes before and after the attack. A good move by security if it was that.

Also, don't trip yourself into conspiracy theory land... "a failed coup" was not.

The attack on the Capitol serves Trump NO purpose at all. It never would have, it never did. He didn't ask for physical violence and a takeover. It would we naive to think that. A mob overtaking the goverment? even if you exaggerate to say it was a small militia... will they be succesfful in taking the goverment? then what? oblitarated by the Guard an Military. It's a completly absurd plan at that.

The people that did storm the Capitol had no objective other than be disruptive and perhaps rough some feathers of some senators, but those were few and seemingly had no tacticality, thankfully. They were not there to take the goverment by force, for sure (perhaps in their dreams, but not realistically)!

What the Preseident as calling for is to make their voices heard "as hell" so that the senators and representaives would have the courage or push to protest the ellectoral votes. THAT'S IT.

BLM has equally in his website claimed to aim at the "destruction of the nuclear family", "destruction of America", don't know if it still does.

Stop the over use of the "there was no fraud, move on", did democrats, Biden, Pelosi or other ever stopped calling Trump illegitimate President? who robebd and hijaked the 2016 election? Local hearings didn't just say "it was a fair election" they acknowledged some or several irregularities took place, but 1) failed to invistagate their extent (how many actual votes were affected by each airregularity) and 2) failed to invistaigate the origin, motiviation etc behind those, and still just claimed their existance didn't amount to much as to overturn an election, therefore nothing to be done. Most courts did the same, as Trump lawyers can only present as much evidence as volutariy, publicly available as possible. To prove and persecute large scale fraud, guess what? a full scale law enforcement lead investigation is needed! which is what was and has been denied. Therefore people whose strive to have that investigation at least reveal the truth in numbers, are rightfully angry. Trump even said he would concede defeat if teh numbers were ratified against real people and real signatures on the ballot envelopes (oin the case of mail-in) so if a full scale deep investigation and ratified re-count had been done and say Biden were 78 million and trump 76 million, then that would have been the end of it. But the courts and hearings only just said we con't bother to go that far, just move on. Even considerering the unconstitutional changes to the electoral law in several states!

This is the basis for the anger and claiming of a rigged election: the outright denial of the establishment to actually certifiy one person-one vote against real people and their signatures in an open way and carefully and deeply pursuing evry irregularity that took place.

All of that was just looked at, evaluated as events in isolation and deemed irrelevant. Which misses the point and only engendered more frustration and impatience. It is what policy brutality is to BLM... the cause of anger and rage.

Get it now? Not that we should endulge in rage and anger, though.

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Now I am confused. IF the Capitol riot was preplanned, how can Trump's speech that afternoon have caused it? So how can he be impeached for inciting an event that was planned ahead of time?

Heretic, if you don't believe the article I linked to, please tell us what countries YOU think are less racist than the US. Hopefully with some evidence. 45 million Americans are immigrants. African Americans have aspired to and entered every concievable position of power and authority. Is the occasional idiot racist? Of course, and they should be laughed to the margins of polite society. But I cannot think of a more tolerant nation overall.

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But the two events were fundamentally different.

A claim not born out by the evidence. Neither the riot at the Capitol building nor the riots attacking Americans’ businesses and government buildings are justifiable.

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A simple look at the numbers from the summer protests tells the story.

$2 Billion in damage.

Hundreds of buildings burned to the ground.

Thousands of businesses vandalized and forced to shut down.

Upwards of 30 people killed.

12 police officers shot.

Hundreds of vehicles *incuding police vehicles" burned

Last week's idiocy at the Capitol needs to be condemned and those who participated need to be arrested. But it also needs to be put in context.

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Heretic, I agree to an extent. The summer protests generally started out peacefully. There are legit issues that the police need to deal with. Police training in the US is laughably short and inadequate. Body cameras aren't mandated, and where they are mandated they are often not turned on all the time. These problems need fixing.

The problem was that, when the sun went down, the protests got nasty. They got violent. Looting a Target store has as much to do with social justice as an idiot waving a Confederate flag has to do with democracy. Plus city/state leaders gave tacit approval to the rioters, as did some national Democratic party leaders.

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Black activists are coming out strongly against a growing narrative among conservatives that equates the deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol with last summer's Black Lives Matter protests of racial injustice.

Nice narrative with the usual subterfuge.. so last 6-7 months of looting, arson, rioting with 30+ dead is now just a protest.. may very well have termed it peace-full protest.. So BLM and Antifa will now only promote peace and harmony.. now that would be something.

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What I notice about both of these positions you have adopted this morning, despite the fact that they contradict each other, is that they deny that racism is a factor or even a possibility. If black people aren't killed disproportionally, then there cannot be racism. If they are, it's their fault, so it's not racism.

I will be the first to admit there are racist cops, and police brutality perpetrated by racist cops. I reject the white liberal sponsored narrative that any altercation between a white cop and a black citizen that results in the death of the citizen is by default evidence of systematic racism by the cops. The link I posted did say that blacks are shot disproportionately. But the article showed that it’s not because of race. I’ll say it again, the facts and stats show that blacks are not systematically killed by cops in a racist plot. Are there some racist sure. Humanity isn’t perfect. But the evil cops hunting blacks like game? No. Rayshard Brooks and Jacob Blake are more common than George Floyd.

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Zichi, the numbers are for all the riots this summer, not just Minneapolis. You are really splitting hairs here. I am not sure why you are trying to minimize the damage and destruction caused.

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They are not. Even you accept that black people are disproportionately more likely to be killed by police. That is not "equal opportunity", by your own admission.

You accepted, in your post above, that black people are disproportionately suffering from police brutality. I'll remind you:

No I didn’t accept that blacks are suffering more from police brutality. I admitted that blacks are shot more by police because they are more resistant and violent towards police when they encounter police, which is more often because they commit more crime. Not because they are black. I’m done with you on this point.

It was illegal for him to have a gun, the police let him go, and — as a reminder — it is illegal to murder people. I find it unusual that you need to be taught this, but Rittenhouse committed one of the most terrible crimes you can commit, twice, with an illegal weapon. The police were there, and they didn't arrest him on the spot. They let him go home. Why do you think that was?

if I’m not mistaken, he was arrested and is awaiting due process. No I don’t need to be told about the wrongness of murder. Did he cooperate with the cops when they approached him? We all saw the lawlessness many people were allowed to commit over the summer. A police station was allowed to burn while cops and national guard stood by. Elderly were beaten during the summer riots by black protesters, on film, nothing happened.

Why do you think that was?

I don’t know. I wasn’t in the cops head and I don’t know all the exact details of the case. It’s best not to assume. Is possible, yes, but I don’t know.

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@zichi

That's great information.

You have to wonder, though... What was their objective? Their REAL objective?

Trump has said time and time again, he desavows those groups, or such groups.

So they were not acting to help Trump, but themselves and just be violent for some venting. Otherwise they did Trump a huuuuge diservice, wouldn't you agree??

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The amount of property destruction and violence carried out by 'the left' has been incomparable to 'the right' though. One MAGA march where the police actually let people in and didn't really smash that much up versus a whole summer of destruction? Come on, here's the audio of BLM commentary dubbed over the top: https://youtu.be/0MzpZsd7zuc

Now here's what DC looked like when BLM were actually there: https://youtu.be/qkew_ngvps0

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I was going to post this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

But this proves my point just as well:

Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than White Americans

Although half of the people shot and killed by police are White, Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of White Americans. Hispanic Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.

So@Zichi Blacks (I’m being very abstract) commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population. Especially homicides. Black neighborhoods are heavily policed because the law abiding citizens that live in those neighborhoods call them very frequently (and now they want to take the cops away!) Black males, 6% of the population, commit upwards of 60% of all homicides. Simply put, blacks are involved with cops at a rate disproportionate to their population. Factor in the negative effects of “the talk”, resisting arrest, fight physically with the officer. There’s plausible reasons to explain what’s happening that don’t support the cops are racist narrative.

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No-one has claimed this. What is being claimed is that black people are often killed in circumstances where a white person wouldn't be, or accused of resisting arrest where a white person would be dealt with more carefully. Consider George Floyd was murdered for supposedly trying to pass a fake $20 bill, while Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people, killing two, and was allowed to go home before police calmly and carefully arrested him.

Tony Timpa was killed just like Floyd. Daniel shaver was killed for much less. There are even suggestions that many cops ignore crime in black neighborhoods because they don’t want to be falsely accused of racism.

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As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootingsshowed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

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I'm not zichi.

I know. I was replying to him.

What I mean is that from your point of view, blacks are killed at a higher rate. That’s because you ignore other variables such as high crime and resisting and fighting with the officer. But, ironically, you do acknowledge those variables: “Ignoring the clear ignorance of wider societal issues that contribute towards higher rates of criminality” . But I and many others, including blacks, don’t agree with your moral relativism. And why are blacks only afforded this excuse? Other groups suffer poverty, they don’t necessarily commit crime. Besides, it does nothing to reduce the crime by forgiving it as you do. Blacks suffer because of white liberals with this warped view

from my point of view, and the stats back it up, blacks ( being very general here) commit higher crimes and violent crimes. They get involved with cops at higher rates. They resist at higher rates. To me, I consider those variables before I pass judgment on all law enforcement and scream for their dismantling. Especially since decent folks in high crime neighborhoods need them. So, I and the facts don’t believe cops are systematically murdering blacks.

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Zichi; stolen property is damage. Lost business is damage. As of course is looting, arson, graffiti, etc. I am not sure what your point is. The ity of Minneapolis alone saw 1,500 businesses heavily damaged during the riots. Not sure why you are trying to downplay the genuine carnage and loss caused by the riots this summer.

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Well, hang on. You said before that black neighbourhoods are heavily policed because that's where all the crime is. Now

They are. But in light of the events this summer, this is what’s happening.

These are also bad, and BLM supports any efforts to get justice by anyone murdered by the police:

When video footage was released Friday of a white Mesa, Ariz., police officer shooting dead a white man after the victim begged for his life while crawling on the floor, it was Black Lives Matter activists who called his death an outrage. The All Lives Matter crowd said nothing about Daniel Shaver's violent demise

https://www.nola.com/opinions/article_4f6138fe-ea8c-551b-9e60-9e99feacacf2.html

*The rally, held in Floyd’s name, was about much more than his legacy. It was also about Botham Jean, a black man shot and killed by a Dallas police officer after she entered his apartment believing it was her own. It was about Darius Tarver, a black man shot and killed by Denton police after being tased while suffering a mental breakdown. It was about Tony Timpa, a white man suffocated by Dallas police after he was arrested, like Floyd. It was about Atatiana Jefferson, a black woman shot and killed through a window by Fort Worth police while she babysat her nephew. The rally was about all police brutality, fatal or not, and its disproportionate effect on the black community.*

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2020/06/this-rage-that-you-hear-is-real-on-the-ground-at-the-dallas-protests/

Exactly. Cops are equal opportunity brutalizers. There was also no outrage from almost anyone. That’s because these killings weren’t reported in the same sensationalistic way as the cases where the victim was black. You proved the point: their is no pogrom against blacks. You were misled by the media into believing that blacks are suffering disproportionately from police brutality. Only racists think one race is more important than another.

I note that you also haven't addressed the fact that a black man accused of passing forged currency was murdered, while a white man who murdered two people was treated with kid gloves. What is your explanation for this?

Probably because he was legally armed and probably cooperated with police.

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You mean instances of institutional mistreatment of white people on the basis of their skin colour? Why, do you have any?

Affirmative action? Current American universities?

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There’s plenty of evidence of whites being brutalized by police. I never said those incidents are strictly driven by race. My point was police brutality happens to all people. Police kill all people. In 2020, 432 whites were shot by cops compared to 226 blacks. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Frankly this topic is tiring. Especially since you can’t even admit that higher than average crime occurs in black neighborhoods. But since you want evidence:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/%3FoutputType%3Damp

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/judge-releases-video-of-police-shooting-of-daniel-shaver-after-officer-acquitted/2017/12/08/3e715e7a-dc3e-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_video.html

https://youtu.be/dDpJ5FtG6Ac

The last one, the white guy was killed by two Latino cops. So, it’s plausible the killing was racially motivated.

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Only Losers will consider them to be equivalent.

You are absolutely right- 25 dead, billions of dollars in damage and lost livelihoods. BLM riots were worst.

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You mean instances of institutional mistreatment of white people on the basis of their skin colour? Why, do you have any?

The great Walter Williams said something to the effect that when you say institutional racism, that means you can’t point to any actual real racism. So you blame it on institutions. I believe him.

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There's also clear evidence and undeniable examples of police brutality against black people, e.g. what happened to George Floyd.

Isn’t there also evidence of police brutality against whites too?

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@Mr. Noidall one was a riot the other was an invasion an attack on democracy get it? Yep thought not...What’s crazy, is millions actually can't work out in their little peanuts the difference between the two..

Yeah, I get it. But you weren’t talking about any riot. You were talking about George Floyd.

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What about police brutality against whites, because they're white. That was what you were originally talking about, wasn't it? You suggested that there was evidence, where is it?

Where’s the evidence of police brutality because they’re black?

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People actually compare an unarmed black person being murdered by law enforcement to a group of nutjobs trying to overturn an election after believing lie upon lie spewed out by a bigger mentally unstable nutjob...I get it I really do...

That’s not what’s being compared. People are comparing the riots after that with the riot on the capitol. What’s crazy, is millions actually believe what you said.

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I completely did agree with this article. I mean, right off the bat:

Black activists are coming out strongly against a growing narrative among conservatives that equates the deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol with last summer's Black Lives Matter protests of racial injustice.

The author calls the storm on the capitol deadly—which it was; but are we really supposed to pretend that the riots over the summer weren’t deadly? David Dorn, James Scurlock, Italia Kelly, Sequoia Turner—just to name a few. And according to Forbes, 19 people died during the blm riots. I guess for this author, these people aren’t authentic enough to qualify the term deadly. And I’m sure this will be deleted. Furthering the notion that comparing the two is wrong. But I ask, what did Plato say about justice? Not much considering he never really defined it, but one can infer, not mention intuit, that justice has something to do with truth. And if this is the point we’ve reached as societies, where social media and media promote blatant falsehoods, and condemn truth and go about banning and deleting and deliberately choosing untruth, then we are no longer concerned with justice; furthermore, it’s unscientific.

And the capitol building is not hallowed hallway: the government is for the people, and not the other way around. The small businesses that were torched and demolished this summer are what keep the lights on in DC.

Also, this author is either not sharp, or is a propagandist. 75 million Americans voted for Trump. A small fraction of radicals attacked the capitol. Even if it was a million, that means 74 million didn’t storm the capitol. The media, nor the author know the sentiments of these people concerning the people incident. Just because a small fraction of crazies stormed the capitol, journalists shouldn’t be given license to act unethically. And that’s what this article is in my opinion: unethical. Asking me to ignore the violence over the summer BLM riots where more people died, and then expecting me to zero in exclusively on the capitol incident is wanting me me to be stupid on purpose. If this article is the bar, then future is ruined.

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pretty doggone easy to 'deduce the sentiments' of people who continue to support this lot.

Let’s just hope you’re never selected for jury duty or never selected again.

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