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Conspiracy theories cloud pandemic treaty push

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The first step might be to stop with the name calling. Mentally lazy monikers like “extremist” and “conspiracy theorist” only polarize people. Next, admit that gross mistakes have been made and that organizations like the WHO were woefully prepared and may even be compromised by ties to China, After that, acknowledge that many of these “safety measures” have been proven ineffective and outright ignored by the elites in many countries. Gavin Newsome enjoyed many nice parties at the French Laundry without the burden of masks and social distancing and his aunt Nancy Pelosi’s hair was kept cut and colored while the average US citizen was facing restrictions similar to house arrest. Finally, the WHO and other elitist organizations might want to admit that some of these “conspiracy theories” have proven to be correct.

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or .....

just maybe, a bunch of people who get their information from YouTube, as opposed to the world's leading medical experts, have become convinced that all the Professors, doctors and nurses in the world are part of a global plot to deny them their freedom or democracy, should actually be called conspiracy theorists.

Remember, birds are not real.

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.... and here we go

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All these conspiracy theorists have never been close to right about anything. It's all in their head and I suggest along with the vaccines they should take a strong course of anti psychotics to help them get a grip on reality and break their delusions. Maybe then they can stop being antisocial nuisances and actually contribute something of value to society.

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Conspiracy theorists are the most predictable people I’ve ever come across.

They are so boring.

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Why every time someone doesn't immediately agree with government or global bodies they are labelled as conspiracy theorists and their views as disinformation. as far as I can tell, the views cited are the opinions of them and not dis/mis information. Personally I don't feel that good about allowiong the WHO to tell countries how to behave, but not sure that makes me a nutjob. They did a woeful job on COVID......

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as opposed to the world's leading medical experts

Yes, like our saviour Fauci.

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Oh, a global agreement among those who have "poorly" handled the current pandemic to better respond to future pandemic threats. What could go wrong? Why not go after those who know how to effectively deal with pandemics?

All these conspiracy theorists have never been close to right about anything.

Such as?

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Why every time someone doesn't immediately agree with government or global bodies they are labelled as conspiracy theorists and their views as disinformation.

That is not what is actually happens, people disagree all the time, but when they justify their opinion not being supported by evidence because some hidden conspiracy is making sure there is no evidence then they are conspiracy theorists. And when they repeat information that can easily be proven false well knowing it is when their actions constitute spreading disiformation.

Saying "I don't like wearing a face mask" is not specially problematic, but saying "Masks make covid worse" is disinformation and saying "scientists that can prove masks are bad for covid are being silenced" is a conspiracy theory.

Personally I don't feel that good about allowiong the WHO to tell countries how to behave, but not sure that makes me a nutjob. 

The WHO has no power to tell countries how to behave since 2009, the same countries that bitterly complain how the WHO could not stop China from letting the pandemic spread are the same ones that removed all the leverage it had letting it only with very limited diplomatic measures, which obviously can't force any country to do anything they don't want to do. The agreements do not restore that limited power either.

Why not go after those who know how to effectively deal with pandemics?

That is why the WHO and the experts of the world are included in the agreements. Countries of the agreement will be the ones with the power of do things, the WHO is the one providing part of the evidence and expertise to decide what is the best course of action.

Such as?

Vaccines killing millions, vaccines not helping anybody, cheap antiparasite drugs being absolutely effective, masks and isolation being worthless, covid being innocuous, covid being engineered in a lab, etc. etc. I mean people keep repeating those and many others even when there is no evidence (and many being completely debunked by now), still excusing it by saying a conspiracy is just hiding the proof they are true.

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Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson, in a segment last month on the pandemic treaty, warned his millions of viewers that U.S. President Joe Biden's administration was close to "handing the World Health Organization power over every aspect, the intimate aspects of your life."

If the WHO takes over our pandemic healthcare, we will no longer be a sovereign nation. This is not something our country stands for or what the people of the United States want or need.

What is disinformation? Disinformation is the wrong information, true or not.

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The truth is always to be found on the long way between the conspiracy theory and the officially published theory. Not so easily to find and often never found.

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What is often initially dismissed as "conspiracy theory" is also often found to the true fact after some time.

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virusrex,

People are also probably running on instinct and understand that centralization isnt' always a good thing. Having central bodies means there's no competing views / approaches / practices. I'd oppose such moves on this basis alone, outside of anything else.

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...also The WHO got a fair bit wrong at the start of the pandemic, which is a fact, outside of any conspiracies, they should've been more careful, people lost trust in them because of it. No one else to blame for that.

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WHO and other elitist organizations might want to admit that some of these “conspiracy theories” have proven to be correct.

I'd be love to know more about that. Some examples of proven to be correct conspiracy theories would be a good start.

Lab leak (according to Fauci E-mails, grant proposals...), few months of Covid19 vaccinations killing more than all other vaccines over 30 years (CDC's VAERS), vaccines have little effect on spread or overall mortality, masks don't work, repurposed drugs work well, etc. etc. People keep repeating these have been completely debunked because only the "debunking" shows up when Googling anything related to Covid19...

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Only those weak of mind deny formal medical science and hawk "tin-foil-lined hats", "avoiding 5G network towers", or "injecting disinfectant and horse dewormer"....

Most of these "experts" can now be found in the ICU or the morgue...

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Most of these "experts" can now be found in the ICU or the morgue

Unfortunately they took the vaccine but kept gassing on. Money is a comfortable bedfellow.

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Lab leak (according to Fauci E-mails, grant proposals

No such thing, considering the option before the mountains of information demonstrated it makes no sense do not make that fake conspiracy true.

few months of Covid19 vaccinations killing more than all other vaccines over 30 years (CDC's VAERS)

Also fake, unless you think vaccines magically kill everybody (including people not vaccinated) in the same rates, debunked even on the VAERS and CDC pages.

vaccines have little effect on spread or overall mortality, 

Demonstrated wrong, not only the vaccines reduce very importantly covid related mortality in all groups, it even reduce mortality rates by all causes in vulnerable population. Nobody expects the vaccine to reduce mortality by all other causes in young people.

masks don't work,

Masks demonstrated to work by research

repurposed drugs work well

Demonstrated as false, repurposed drugs are worse than not giving anything.

So, all your examples can be easily debunked. But you keep repeating them, not surprisingly of course.

Notice they are using the same "conspiracy" charge they used two and a half years ago when they said the vaccines had a 95% efficacy and would last for years, if not a lifetime.

Vaccines had 95% efficacy on the trials, nothing false about it, and from the very beginning no promise was done about long term efficacy, specially with the real posibility of variants that were predicted to reduce the protection of all kinds of immunity, even before they were identified. So the "conspiracy" is just misrepresenting what was actually said at the beginning and debunking that thing nobody ever said in the first place.

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Lab leak (according to Fauci E-mails, grant proposals...), few months of Covid19 vaccinations killing more than all other vaccines over 30 years (CDC's VAERS), vaccines have little effect on spread or overall mortality, masks don't work, repurposed drugs work well, etc. etc

Youtube's greatest basement hits right there. In an article about conspiracy theories you've included most of the best ones.

As a man who claims to be a scientist, it's odd how you don't do science. It's embarrassing.

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If you agree, you're 'smart'.

If you disagree, you're a 'conspiracy theorist'.

Even though both are regarding the same thing.

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If you agree, you're 'smart'.

If you disagree, you're a 'conspiracy theorist'.

Even though both are regarding the same thing.

If you agree with what can be proved objectively you can think logically, if you disagree with reality and use a conspiracy as an excuse for not having any evidence to prove your belief then you are a conspiracy theorist.

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life in the MSM bubble is very predictable. There’s a reason why you’re not allowed to go off topic. Like scared children afraid to look under the bed.

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The World Health Organization is battling a barrage of disinformation alleging it is scheming to take over health policy in sovereign nations, as it tries to chart a way forward toward averting future pandemics.

Let the WHO, an agency of the United Nations, chart a way forward and see where it goes. No one has to follow it though. We saw what happened last time.

The US, for example, has the CDC, an actual scientific institution, to assist in determining how that country will handle pandemics, and it can actually implement legal orders and regulations in the US. Other countries have their own scientific institutions that can provide guidance. Success will vary, but some might get it more tight than others.

The WHO will be busy trying to corner the market in giving "advice" to third world nations and imploring richer countries to forego placing primary care on their own citizens.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

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@Hervé L'Eisa

Please name a time that has happened.

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@ Sam Watters: Spot on comments.

Inflammatory language is being used, in this article, to associate. To link all undesirable critique of policy together, no matter how mild or incentary the rhetoric of critique may be. Narratives are formed so that readers are irresistibly compelled to associate any criticism with extreme criticism.

For instance, a reasonable person, in a reasonable democracy, will likely be comfortable over how his or her own government operates, along the terms of laws and lawful measures established by the people. This reasonable person may read this article – particularly the portion that reads that the conference goers are paving the way “for a global agreement that could eventually regulate how nations prepare for and respond to future pandemic threats.” The reasonable person will already know that a response to a public health threat is a core police power function. A function that, by definition, includes the power – often imposed quickly and without judicial fiat – to regulate the activities and associations; including, but not limited to isolation in a residence, isolation in a facility, compelled or coerced administration of tests (non- invasive, mildly invasive, and invasive), and detention upon refusal to voluntarily submit or upon some measure of non compliance.

The reasonable person in a democracy also knows that a core police power is not delegated to authority, without a clear and concise mandate from the people, within the confines of a constitution and other statutes. Jurisprudence already tells us that core individual civil and constitutional rights are seldom infringed upon by international treaty.

So when the reasonable person hears that an international organization will “regulate how nations prepare for and respond” to core police police power functions, the reasonable person readily conceives that his/her own nation will be told how much money will be spent and how. And local health authority, that is aware of local populations – with existing local health conditions and capacities of all kinds – will lose budget and authority over “global agreement.”

The reasonable person, by now, is all too familiar with how these core police powers were used in certain ways over the past two years, that resulted in caprice; irrational, irrelevant, immaterial, and arbitrary ways by the executive branch. Core constitutional and statutory freedoms were replaced by decision making that was explained by spokespersons who claimed the august mantle, themselves to being “science,” and associated divisive and toxic political and media rhetoric, amounting to “your choices are killing innocent people.” And to top it all off, criticism of the judicial branch was liberally applied at the executive and legislative branches – as well as the media - , for having enough gall to exercise their constitutional mandate to tell the advancing wave of police powers that it had gone too far.

So trust on all levels of government has eroded. And it will take a substantial time to recover.

A final note on WHO. Reasonable people have watched and listened to how the investigation into the source of COVID has played out, and the blatant political favoritism that was afforded to a certain country. Cynical eyes may perceive this conference as the latest in a series of exercises that all-too-readily evidence a desire for power and money that circumvents already established powers and institutions, as prescribed by long established mandates of the people. Understand: In a democracy - a true democracy - all powers are retained by the people, and are delegated by the willing consent of the people, in those we elect to represent us in our democratic institutions, under systems of checks and balances. Understandably, public confidence has been eroded in that institution, which will likely not recover in my lifetime.

Don’t call reasonable people conspiracy theorists. We don’t like it! It is not a conspiracy, and it is not a crime, to have had one’s faith in science – and it’s purveyors and pundents - sorely tested upon the all-too-easily loss of both personal security and one’s civil and constitutional rights.

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@Skeptical. Thanks…and your post is much better than mine!

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