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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2018.Tech billionaire says his plan to break up California ready for voters
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Jalapeno
First I heard of this as well. As long as each split part has a self-sustaining source of revenue, then I don't see the problem. Generally, smaller is better in terms of managing societies.
The renaming of the split parts should be as follows:
Farmafornia
Techafornia
Botoxafornia
runner3
What a waist of time and money!
Strangerland
California: 39.5 million people.
USA: 325.7 million people.
Percentage of population in California: 12%
Percentage of electoral college votes California holds: 10%
California is already under-represented in the electoral college based on their population.
Since you think underrepresented California should have less electoral votes, it would appear you're suggesting Californians should be treated as lesser than other Americans.
And the right likes to pretend they are democratic.
Laguna
Stranger, you've got that backwards - breaking up CA would increase the number of electoral votes by the number of additional senators added. A triway split would thus result in four more senators and thus four more electoral votes.
I'm writing this from San Jose now. There seems to be a slight chill as the arrogance of many high-tech companies collide with reality. Still, most people are as happy as usual; I guess the same is true across the state, and those who are dissatisfied really bring no solutions, just rearranging the furniture.
California will never split up.
Dango bong
what a goofball, waste of time and no benefit
NoIdeaAboutAnything
Splitting up into Rich California and Poor California ?
Tokyo-Engr
This has been going on for a very long time. I remember the very northern counties of California and southern counties of Oregon wanted to establish the State of Jefferson. Years ago I owned acreage in one of California's northernmost counties and got to know some of the folks. Most involved were quite pragmatic and were libertarian. They had some very valid points (i.e. these counties are very lightly populated and thus they did not have proper representation). On the other hand the counties were recipients of state funds, which would have been lost if this actually occurred. I think these guys are still somewhat active but they lost a lot of steam.
This was one of the issues where there were good and valid points but also some serious drawbacks (mostly financial). I had (and still have) mixed feelings about this.
TorafusuTorasan
That never stopped the clam before. Should be good for a goofy conspiracy theory at the very least.
Black Sabbath
Yeah, well. Californians don't want it.
This nonsense has gone one since literally the beginning of our statehood.Partitioners have tried—and obviously failed—200 times to divide the State.
See here: https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/summer-2012-north-south/splitsville-californians-have-tried-and-failed-200-times
Always the same reasons -- too big, too diverse, lack of representation to those on the out in Sacramento, bla bla bla.
There is a reason why we stay formed and united. Look at the map. See that big central valley. Yea. CA is that central valley ringed with mountains. Since then, we've just knitted ourselves together. Just look where the population is. And look where the water comes from. Those eastern mountains. I think theyz called Sir Erra No Vader or sumptin'...
Ain't gonna happen.
Strangerland
12% of the population, 10% of the votes, is underrepresented.
You seem to be trying to say there is a rule, which justifies the rule. Self-justification.
Unfortunately, self-justification is not democratic.
I wasn't referring to the breaking up of California at all. I was reponding to arrestpaul's thoughts that that's too many for one state to have.
I'm not that far away from you right now!
plasticmonkey
Don't divide the state. That's throwing the baby out with the cruddy bath water. It sidesteps the real problem: a nationwide electoral system that is unfair to most people anywhere on the political spectrum. A system that has fallen prey to the rich (and thereby powerful), whatever their persuasion. Bipartisan discussion of ideas like rank-based voting, campaign finance restrictions, and a nationwide and agreed-upon algorithm for fairly delineating voting districts is the way to go. Get it started. It can be done.
The only people who benefit from bipartisan bickering are the extremist charlatans at the top. Give these scum the boot!
quercetum
How many representatives does Wyoming have? How many does California? Why didn’t you mention that?
If both the upper and lower houses were based on population, NY TC FL and CA would decide everything.
Jimizo
Sounds like it would be pretty liberal if it did. This from the Orange County Register:
Sounds like a liberal oasis. Anecdotes incoming...
bass4funk
The libs can have SF Silicone Valley and LA and the Conservatives can have all the farmlands including Gilroy and Fern.
runner3
Give it back to Mexico!
Nessie
More importantly, breaking California into three states would give it more representation in the Senate, which is where "population vs. representation" imbalance is most pronounced. (Each state gets two senators irrespective of population.) As it stands:
Wyoming, population 582,658: 2 senators
California, population 38,332,521: 2 senators
This gives each Wyoming resident 65 times the Senate representation of each California resident.
bass4funk
Will Orange County become a State within a State the way Vatican is?
Mike O'Brien
Which is why it is virtually certain to not pass a vote in Congress. Making the whole thing just a massive ego-driven show by Draper.
Which is one of many reasons why something needs to change with the Electoral College system.
As the article states, this would require the approval of Congress. So, YES it IS up to the other states.
That doesn't appear to be what was said. The suggestion seems to be that all those electoral votes concentrated in one state was problematic. While if California split into 3 states the same number of population based electoral votes would be spread between those 3 states, which each would have different political climates.
And that is the way it was specifically designed.
DaDude
Being from L.A. and a huge sports fan, I have never been excited about sharing the same state as people from the Bay Area. I am sure they feel the same way about us savages to the south.
toshiko
Which California Orange County will be in? I thought some organization was working to makkke California independent from USA. Can Nooorth afford losing Orange County and Los Angels County?
toshiko
How about state income tax? North has to increase. Two other states may decrease.
toshiko
Income from sport revenue. Central and southern Calif. Increasing. North decreasing.
International trade. Long Beach is not in north. More shipping business in LA county.
Tourism from Asia. Hollywood or silicon Valley?
List go on and on.
coskuri
I was taught in school that California had already been broken into 3 States after Zorro retired. How many more does the world need ?
NCIS Reruns
It's also ridiculous that states with tiny populations are represented by the same number of senators as California, New York and Texas. So while you're at it, don't stop with California. Even if only limited to the continental US, 48 states are too many. It has been proposed that 7 or 8 regions would do the job just as well, streamline legislation and save taxpayers a bundle.
bass4funk
More like peace and tranquility from liberals and Dems.
Sounds like it would be pretty liberal if it did. This from the Orange County Register:
How many conservatives were interviewed? 2-3?
Ahhhh, Chapman, now it all makes sense. Even in Texas you live a few liberals THINKING that it’s going to turn blue....yeah, good luck with that.
If that were true, OC would never have gone against sanctuary cities. I feel much better, once you said Chapman, you get more liberal then that school.
Yeah, me too.
https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/27/81919/orange-county-could-challenge-state-s-sanctuary-la/
http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/380848-trump-gains-historically-yuge-ally-in-the-fight-against-californias
bass4funk
But the left thinks it perfectly makes normal sense. Ahhh, who cares what smaller less populated States think, their insignificant, their opinions don’t count.
Tommy Jones
Oregon. :-)
katsu78
When you don't get what you want because you are a smaller group of people than the people who want something different, that's not "not being fully represented", nor is it "getting shafted". It's democracy.
Republicans can't give convincing reasons to the youth of the US to vote for them, so the solution presented is to arbitrarily invent extra votes for Republicans in the Senate.
Haruka
Wow, I gave runner3 a point and it raised him 2.
Splitting a lot of states would be a good idea.
arrestpaul
According to the existing rules, the current state of California has 55 electors. They're not underrepresented, according to the rules.
However, there seems to be 600,000+ Californian's who believe they are currently underrepresented, or poorly represented, or misrepresented within California, and would like to separate California into several smaller states.
arrestpaul
First I've heard of this, but I think it's a good idea. The current state of California's population awards it 55 Electoral College electors. 55 out of total of 538. That's 17 more than 2nd place Texas, and 26 more than 3rd places Florida and New York. A single state currently has over 10% of the Electoral College electors. I think that's too many for one state to have. But this is not up to the other states, or the federal government, or to foreign nationals. It's up to the voters of California.
If the voters in California wish to break up their state into several mostly rural and mostly urban states, I wish them the best of luck.