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COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu

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By CARLA K. JOHNSON

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well of course it did, you won’t stop a new virus ploughing through humans. The saving grace of the Spanish flu is there was much less lockdown and government interaction, people made their own choices

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100 years ago people took the flu seriously.

100 years later with all the advances in science and technology why are people acting so ignorant and backward?

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Covid has been a vicious killer, its spread has been aided in part by organizations that have got armies of keyboard warriors to post messages saying 'it's a government plot to control people. And those warriors have been aided by media outlets publishing their posts from nations (perhaps China, Russia/Iran Turkey) fanning flames in democracies trying to increase divides and further weaken countries that are democratic

And right wing extremist media, for example some of the outlets controlled by Rupert Murdoch, have knowingly riled up their large bases by pushing misinformation and disinformation and far right agendas.

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COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu

Wow, the propaganda is coming hard and fast. No one yet has been able to explain why there were no deaths from seasonal flu, or for that matter, no cases of the seasonal flu either. So these headlines and articles is just fear propaganda.

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No one yet has been able to explain why there were no deaths from seasonal flu, or for that matter, no cases of the seasonal flu either.

Eh? It's a 3-second google mate.

It would be more accurate to say no one has ever provided any information that could penetrate your ideology and convince you that your faith is incorrect on this matter.

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The "Spanish" Flu began in Kansas.

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No one yet has been able to explain why there were no deaths from seasonal flu, or for that matter, no cases of the seasonal flu either.

Eh? It's a 3-second google mate.

If that.

Make no mistake, this is yet another pathetic false equivalence to try to cover up the fact that Covid in (I’m guessing) 2 years will have killed twice as many people as the US had combat deaths in 4 years of WWII in both theaters COMBINED.

mans the vast majority were avoidable with a marginally competent response by the ffg. Instead we got lies, conspiracy and idiots.

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American are dying of Covid ,out of sheer ignorant, knowing you cannot socialize in a communal setting with strangers,

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One plus: The coronavirus mutates at a slower pace than flu viruses, making it a more stable target for vaccination

No wonder, Influenza viruses are for all practical purposes new strains every season, produced by endless recombination of many different serotypes so escape mutants appear very easily, Coronaviruses can't use this mechanism so they can only depend on old fashioned mutation from within a single population. This means that eventually the vaccine situation for COVID is much more likely to settle in a pattern similar to Measles than Influenza.

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Now do that as a percentage of the population

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They could have had so many fewer deaths if they did not reject safe and effective early treatments.

Also, obesity and other problems caused by the standard American diet certainly doesn't help.

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“Data from John Hopkins COVID-19 Tracker shows that several states with the highest vaccination rates like Maine, New York, and Vermont have the highest increased rate in COVID-19 cases last week.”

And the state with the greatest decreased rate in COVID-19 cases? Texas.

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well of course it did, you won’t stop a new virus ploughing through humans. The saving grace of the Spanish flu is there was much less lockdown and government interaction, people made their own choices

Please study the history of that pandemic in the US. Cities did indeed ban indoor activities and require face masks. LA banned indoor church services and the courts back then upheld LA's ban. Theaters were closed, no concerts either. In general the cities in the US with the most comprehensive restrictions and who kept them longest had fewer deaths.

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The "Spanish" Flu began in Kansas.

That is one theory that it started in an Army Fort and spread through the trenches in WWI. Another is that it came to France with Chinese laborers brought in to replace manpower devoted to military service in WWI. Neither theory is well supported but they are out there. The most accepted theory is it originated among soldiers in the trenches of WWI and spread from there. Wartime secrecy prevented new of its spread from reaching the public. Since Spain was neutral in that war when it reached Spain the whole world knew about it. By then it was too late.

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Nations like the US, Brazil, the UK and much of the EU have handled this pandemic in the worst possible way. Not just govt, but regular people. Denying the virus exists, refusing to practice basic hygeine, refusing masks, refusing the vaccines, deliberately infecting others...the list goes on.

There is a long, horrible winter coming up in America. Things are going to get worse than they are now. Fact.

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Ex-president Trump calling for his supporters to be fully vaccinated. But too many not listening. The red states with the lowest fully vaccinated.

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Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study.

Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations cost billions of dollars.

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Several Red state hospitals are very close to having to triage care. Who gets life-saving treatment and who gets palliative care?

This is not a hard question to answer. Refused to vaccinate? You’re at the end of the line. Kids, organ transplants, cancer surgery, cardiac care and other non-elective surgeries, then everyone who got vaccinated and is in the hospital for whatever reason, THEN (and only then) deal with the resisters, the conspiracy whack-jobs and the “freedumb” caucus.

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 No one yet has been able to explain why there were no deaths from seasonal flu,

its been explained easily the Flu is 1/10 as fatal as covid and nowhere near as contagious people have been wearing masks and social distancing for the last 19 month which has a dramatic impact of the flu season. every flu season prior to 2020 has been life as normal not masks or SD.

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The Spirit of fear has overcome the spirit of freedom and common sense.

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No, the virus came from China

so the Spanish flu didn't originate in Spain

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WHY?

You don't need to be a doctor to know why so many Americans have died from Covid-19, but you do need the requisite intelligence to see through the lies and obfuscation emanating from venal media and politicians who have the blood of hundreds of thousands on their grubby hands. Accountability? This concept has been canceled.

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Meanwhile at the Met gala, Emmys, Obama parties, etc the left wing elites who love preaching to the rest of us cavort maskless, hugging, kissing, laughing and shouting. The only ones masked are their servants.

Meanwhile the highest infections per capita are nearly all red states over the entire pandemic, and there is now a vaccine available

Even CA and NY with much higher population density are considerably lower in infections per capita compared to those red states

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/

the majority of deaths are from the unvaccinated

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wtfjapan, you skipped addressing the issue.

A clumsy deflection.

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The total includes deaths "with" COVID. Included in this count are deaths of young, healthy people from car accidents. Only 6% of deaths are actually "from" COVID. Also, deaths from stroke, flu, heart attack, etc. are down sharply from the beginning of 2020.

Hospitals in the U.S. get paid handsomely for "COVID" cases and deaths.

If you accept these numbers, you accept that the risk of COVID death in the U.S., with superior medical care, is 20 times higher compared to Japan. My guess would be the actual rate is 4-5 times higher, due to obesity.

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Ex-president Trump calling for his supporters to be fully vaccinated. But too many not listening. The red states with the lowest fully vaccinated.

'cos it's been common knowledge in western culture for the last 2,500 years (since Aesop) that those who cry wolf one too many times lose all credibility.

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The total includes deaths "with" COVID. Included in this count are deaths of young, healthy people from car accidents. Only 6% of deaths are actually "from" COVID.

Indeed and this isnt the half of the deception. Meanwhile, the pro-vax hystetics like to think they are on the side of science. Sad irony.

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Over 100,000 Americans have died because of the coronavirus since the spring of this year, and over 99% of them were unvaccinated.

The evidence is clear, get vaccinated.

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Meanwhile the highest infections per capita are nearly all red states over the entire pandemic, and there is now a vaccine available

Now go grab the stats of the low vaccination of African Americans and Hispanic Americans supposedly in the blue demographic. Who's fault is that especially in blue cities?

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yet also gave us the vaccine you speak so highly of. Forgot that part?

Phizer, the first drug to market was not part of “Operation Warp Speed” (again, a name so egotistical it could only have been come up with by a Trumper).

Furthermore, having a vaccine is one thing. Getting it into arms is quite another.

Trump didn’t have a bad plan; he had NO PLAN, zero zilch nada. It’s like we got to the point that he could claim credit then washed his hands of the actual government work. How very on-brand of him.

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Indeed and this isnt the half of the deception. Meanwhile, the pro-vax hystetics like to think they are on the side of science. Sad irony.

Then again, every time you are asked to support your position with official declarations of scientific institutions you bring nothing. Being honest would require to accept that if your opinion is not shared with any of them in the whole world, but instead they all recommend vaccination as a safe and effective measure, this can only mean the antivaxxers are the ones not on the side of science.

I mean, the scientific community is the one contradicting you, obviously you are not expecting people to believe you are a better representative of what science have concluded than the scientists of the world.

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Furthermore, having a vaccine is one thing. Getting it into arms is quite another.

so is getting a vaccine that doesnt exist yet into arms.

No vaccine, no vaccinations.

How hard is it really to administer vaccinations once you have a vaccine? its just scheduling and logistics. not hard at all.

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Indeed and this isnt the half of the deception. Meanwhile, the pro-vax hystetics like to think they are on the side of science. Sad irony.

I think the walls have closed in here. It’s better to fact check other posters before commenting on things like this.

You did fact-check this stuff, didn’t you?

Remember the 6% deaths from Covid claim.

Looking forward to the source in particular.

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"a couple who died of gunshot wounds late last month have been included in the state’s numbers. The state told Bock those deaths are included in the count because the two tested positive for COVID-19 within 30 days before their death."

Death "with" COVID.

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Operation warp speed was nothing more than Trump saying "can you guys try to make a vaccine really fast?" and then putting a name on that.

He had as much to do with the vaccines being produced as I did. I also wanted them to make the vaccines soon.

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BlacklabelToday  10:57 am JST

Furthermore, having a vaccine is one thing. Getting it into arms is quite another.

*so is getting a vaccine that doesnt exist yet into arms.*

By the end of his term not one, but two vaccines were authorized.

And Trump only had a year to plan for distribution. Instead he did precisely zip.

So, um no. Your “argument” does not hold water.

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You don’t wait for the solution to manifest itself before you start planning. It’s called logistics.

I guess they didn’t teach that In day-trader school....

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How hard is it really to administer vaccinations once you have a vaccine?

Apparently a lot easier than scheduling it ahead of time, as supported but the complete and utter lack of any plan whatsoever by the Trump administration.

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Which, let's remember the Obama administration left the Trump administration with a pandemic response team that Trump disassembled early in his presidency.

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Now do that as a percentage of the population

The current population is about 3.2 times that of 1918. So whatever the percentage is, it’s a little less than a third of the percentage.

So if, as other posters have suggested, that Americans today don’t take the sickness seriously, why is the death rate down about 65%?

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Bonus: No civil liability, no matter what. Nice perk!

No, that's not correct.

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64% of Americans support the vaccine and mask mandates.

Isn't that wonderful, a majority of Americans are sensible.

The rest will come around, at least most of them.

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So if, as other posters have suggested, that Americans today don’t take the sickness seriously, why is the death rate down about 65%?

Um, because it's not 1918, and we've had 100 years of advancement in general medical knowledge maybe?

I mean, just a wild, wild, extremely wild guess.

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What a unintelligent article. Of course COVID 19 is for worst seeing their was no vaccine for the flu back then.

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64% of Americans support the vaccine and mask mandates.

It's good to note that 2/3 of Americans have their heads about them.

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 liberal states that are doing far better in containing the pandemic.

nope.

“Data from John Hopkins COVID-19 Tracker shows that several states with the highest vaccination rates like Maine, New York, and Vermont have the highest increased rate in COVID-19 cases last week.”

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“Data from John Hopkins COVID-19 Tracker shows that several states with the highest vaccination rates like Maine, New York, and Vermont have the highest increased rate in COVID-19 cases last week.”

Fake news.

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Hospitalizations going down slowly thanks to the vaccine, but why are the rations of vaccines orders for Florida and Texas being cut in half by the Federal government?

it was explained by Bidens press secretary, those drugs for both the vaccines and treatment for covid are for all Americans, why should states that have done well during this pandemic have restricted access to these drugs to pander to the states that have done the worst. Theres only a limited amount of these drugs every state has a right to access to these drugs according to their populations. If those states no longer need them theyre more that welcome to sell them to FL TX

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The common flu is a virus. And we never saw anything like the numbers of dead from the flu like we see from this.

Consider that mic dropped.

CDC statistics state that deaths from the flu have been in the tens of thousands every year in the US, maybe not as many as the Coronavirus (a new virus nobody had antibodies for) but still quite significant, the only difference is that the msm isn't feeding us fear porn about influenza like they do with the rona.

Now, go pick up that mic.

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Fake news.

Actually, no. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states

Vermont, leading the country with the highest vaccination rate of 71.30% (fully vaccinated) had a 34.07% increase rate in COVID-19 cases last week.

Maine is another state that has the highest vaccination rate of 67.92% (fully vaccinated). It also saw a record-high 100% increase rate of COVID-19 cases last week.

New York ranked 8th has a vaccination rate of 62.18% fully vaccinated. The rate of increase over the past week reached 43.13%.

Texas landed at the 31st spot in the country where 51.50% of its population are fully vaccinated. It has the largest decrease of -56.57% of COVID cases last week.

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CDC statistics state that deaths from the flu have been in the tens of thousands every year in the US, maybe not as many as the Coronavirus

Thank you for supporting my statement:

we never saw anything like the numbers of dead from the flu like we see from this.

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