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© 2021 AFPMajor Biden victory as Congress passes huge COVID relief plan
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Strangerland
The power of competence. It's a refreshing change.
Long live Joe!
bass4funk
so since Brian and became president, not a single person died of the vaccine or from the virus? What kind of magical powers does this man behold
bass4funk
Ok, let’s deal with reality, either we all have IDs or no one gets to vote
Lazarus Knows
No, Republicans only. Independent or Democratic registered voters should not need ID, Republicans need to show two forms. If it doesn't reduce the GOP turnout, then we can think about expanding it to other groups.
bass4funk
Everyone, doesn’t matter if you’re Republican or Democrat or libertarian or atheist
lincolnman
Well, who would have guessed this....a Repub Senator who voted against the bill is already taking credit for it...
*Shortly after Democrats in Congress passed President Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief legislation, a Republican senator was already trying to take some credit for the popular bill ― even though he and every single other Republican voted against it. *
Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) tweeted on Wednesday that independent restaurant operators were going to get billions of dollars coming their rescue, thanks to the COVID-19 relief bill about to become law.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roger-wicker-covid-relief-credit_n_6049466dc5b672fce4ea3537
"I voted against this bill so you wouldn't get this aid, as did all the other Repub Senators, but since the Dems passed it let me take credit for it anyway"....
How's that for integrity and truthfulness, huh? There's your Repub party...
Strangerland
Seeing his massively huge approval numbers (higher than anything Trump ever got in four years), it's pretty clear that he doesn't need to do press conferences. See, Trump thought being a good president meant standing up and getting crowds of people excited. Whereas Biden understands being a good president means running the country and taking care of the people.
It's a black and white contrast of the difference between incompetence and competence.
The people have spoken.
Elections have consequences.
Lazarus Knows
I think mandatory voter IDs should only be applied for Republican voters.
fxgai
I could swear those tax breaks were had by a far broader section of tax payers than just the top 1%.
I believe their opposition to the bill was to the 1.7 trillion that had nothing to do with coronavirus. If the actual coronavirus spending had been passed separately there would no doubt be a different voting result.
By the way, it’s not the deficit that matters, it’s the government spending that matters. As the great Milton Friedman taught the world, including us non-Americans
bass4funk
and in order to get an absentee valid I have to show ID and verification, he left that one out, so once again voter IDs should be mandatory and once that’s establish, I wouldn’t have any problem with mail in voting.
fxgai
It’s not a spending competition though is it?
Circumstances last year when the economies were getting locked down and now when the economies are re-opening, render a stimulus size comparison rather meaningless.
Well they did include a minimum wage doubling in the stimulus plan at first, so it’s no great leap of the imagination to think that other stuff unrelated to the coronavirus situation would be in there too.
I mean seriously if the republicans were in control I’m sure they’d be stashing republican stuff like more military spending into the plan as well.
Right?
You think Democrats spending pooh is pure white? Come on!
The problem with democratic government everywhere is that they spend too much money because that’s the best way politicians know to get themselves re-elected.
Lazarus Knows
This is true of every single voter.
bass4funk
Hmmm....ROFL
A figure speech a metaphor, no one‘s pushing religion on you, calm down.
Sorry, I care more about the US only and what happens in it.
Toasted Heretic
Been talking to the wrong person since joining.
You constantly bring a deity into the conversation and try and force your religious beliefs on us. Enough of the cultural and religious hegemony, please.
And when you saw it in the UK, the Republic of Ireland, Spain, Denmark and other countries?
lincolnman
If you want to know what "punked" is, just ask The Q Shaman...
A far-right Arizona conspiracy theorist known as "QAnon Shaman," who stormed the Capitol in a fur headdress with horns, says he feels "duped" by Trump...
https://www.businessinsider.com/q-shaman-us-capitol-rioter-feels-duped-trump-lawyer-says-2021-1
Now that's getting punked...maybe even "smacked down" too...
Can't wait until we hear from the other 300 that were arrested...
bass4funk
Absentee, yes and I’m also registered in the county where I voted so they have all my information and mug shots that I had to provide before I could receive my ballot. So yes, ID’s and verification the way it should be
You are definitely talking to the wrong person now.
I don’t. I never tell people what and how to believe
Naw...after seeing California, I doubt it.
Toasted Heretic
If only they were obscenely rich like those who got tax breaks from 45, eh.
Oh, and your avatar is a falsehood.
Lazarus Knows
Many millennials are in or approaching their 40s, with the majority in their 30s. Gen Xers are almost all in their late 40s at their youngest, to their early 60s.
You don't know what a young person is.
Texas A&M Aggie
This Pelosi-engineered "relief package" (Biden's fingerprints are not to be found on the creation of any of this legislation) is a major smackdown to the millennials and Gen X'ers. They think they got over by having up to $50,000 of their student loan debts forgiven when it really is only a minuscule downpayment on what their generations will now have to pay back for decades to come. Those youngsters just got punked by the democrats big time.
Toasted Heretic
You disagreed with mail votes, too. Yet you voted by mail.
Tell that to a liberal. I realise that memory tends to disappoint us as we get older, but if I can just remind you, I'm not a liberal.
Into the abyss.
Why do the far right always play the religion card? Socialism is much more likely to come around than being listened in on by deities.
(That said, the excellent JC was a great example of early proto-socialism.)
bass4funk
Liberals don’t even know what year they got bounced
...and the GOP going forward.
At this point and God willing, we won’t.
lincolnman
Repubs in 2018: Let's give $1.9 trillion in permanent tax breaks to the Top 1%...all unfunded and on the nation's credit card - adding to the already historic deficit...
Repubs in 2021: $1.9 trillion for the poor, the unemployed, the middle class? Are you crazy? That's just socialism and left-wing priorities...and look at the deficit!
Says it all, doesn't it...
Toasted Heretic
Truly, the 45ists don't even know what year they live in.
This is a significant victory for the Biden administration. It's not enough, of course but it beats bailing out the rich.
Hopefully, post-Biden, we'll see an America that understands and embraces socialism.
Zaphod
zichi
The overall figures (if disregard outliers like the NY nursing home deaths caused by the local leader) are pretty similar all over the world, regardless of what politicians did or did not. The most clear correllation that I have yet seen is the one to obesity. With an obesity rate of whopping 37 %, the US pretty is pretty much where you would expect it to be.
Empty talking point,. He as well as anyone could expect, and the establishment puppet Biden would not had different results.
Didnt everyone in govmt get the shot as soon as it became available? Tell us you would not bash him if he did not get it.
bass4funk
Uh-huh, nice try, the debt doesn’t just stop because Trump was in office, now Biden is in office and he’ll exceed Trump’s debt 2 fold by this years end, no worries.
bass4funk
As a voter I vehemently disagree. Nice try.
smithinjapan
Biding already enjoying a popularity Trump didn't even come close to, because Biden is ACTUALLY doing what he promised, planned, and spelled out. Well done. The US is gaining back some of the respect it lost under Trump.
Zaphod
Saw some analysis of this pork plan.... fundamentally it is a bailout plan for the "blue" states which destroyed their economy with their stupid lockdowns. The label is completely misleading.
otherworldly
wtfjapan
If Trump was proposing this bill he would never get passed it in the congress. Period.
probably not as the GOP when they controlled the senate said $900 was enough, Trumps $2000 was too much, seems like the dems have met in between
wtfjapan
This porkulus maximus 'stimulus package" will cost every single tax paying American $5,570. Some "major Biden victory".
and how much does it cost every American for the $7.8trillion added to the deficit under Trumps 4yrs!?
2020hindsights
bass4funk
Sure. Plant your head firmly in the sand.
wtfjapan
Complete waste - economy already on the middle of a recovery. Biden on his way to becoming the new debt king.
$7.8trillion added to the deficit in Trumps 4 yrs, and now the GOP and Trump supporters want to be fiscally responsible!? GOP only wanted to give $900 to each American as the didnt think they were worth anymore
plasticmonkey
Exactly. Your anecdote has no relevance to the topic of polls taken.
itsonlyrocknroll
Both Forbes and the WSJ have undertaken auditing.
Also, it is worth mentioning that $4 trillion had already been allocated to numerous programs.
Is There Wasteful Spending In The New $1.9 Trillion Coronavirus Stimulus Bill?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/02/22/is-there-waste-or-bloated-spending-in-the-19-trillion-coronavirus-stimulus-bill/?sh=7cf7540539db
There are undoubtedly radical policy agendas being peddled from the extreme left/right.
Both are politically hobbled, day one.
From there inability, dogma to an ideological belief.
A conviction that has no place in 21st politics or society.
The extreme/radical left has no basis in socialism, or social justice.
It is a delusionary/illusional endeavor to associate the two or believe otherwise.
bass4funk
Doesn’t prove anything either.
Texas A&M Aggie
This porkulus maximus 'stimulus package" will cost every single tax paying American $5,570. Some "major Biden victory".
Raw Beer
Why would they call it a COVID relief plan if only 9% of it is for COVID relief?
proxy
Judging by the huge amount of savings that American have salted away in the past year, most households re better off now than they were a year ago and do not need any more government cheese.
Tomi
Buying votes was always their favorite tool...
plasticmonkey
Your anecdote doesn't disprove that a poll was taken.
I don't know a single person who is a moderator for JT, but that doesn't mean that such people don't exist or that they may be posting among us.
non party
Only BIden can get passed this in the congress.
If Trump was proposing this bill he would never get passed it in the congress. Period.
So our Biden is a Saint. He is a hero. Let praise him up to the sky
kyushubill
@ ArtistAtLarge
Yeah, yeah, blah, blah.
Oh yes got to apply for all these super great things. Been there done that. Baltimore, Maryland floods of 2007. My bicycle shop was flooded out of existence. Got to hire a lawyer and accountant to apply for them as all the legalese is impossible for us average folk to even begin to apply ourselves. The reason my wife, family, and I moved here to Japan and left the USA.
Yep that cash gets squeezed down to about 30% for you after legal and accounting fees. So how does that help? It doesn't but our Uniparty masters can salve themselves with their usual mantra "We did SOMETHING".
Just like in 2009 Obama saying that wealthy Americans should be taxed at higher rates, even if the imposition of those new taxes produces no net benefit for the federal treasury. By his own admission, Obama's insistence on increasing taxes for wealthy Americans was not about generating government revenue or reducing government debt, but rather about punishing individual Americans for having acquired too much personal wealth. It was a way for Obama to prove that he takes income inequality seriously while doing nothing about it.
Small businesses have been punished for not being super corporations that feed the Uniparty. They never shopuld have been put in these situations to begin with.
u_s__reamer
The passage of the "relief" bill is just the down payment on the Dems' installment plan for a recovery from the country's four-year MAGAdisaster. Biden's "socialism" will have a fighting chance to save America, not the nauseating green eggs and baloney served up by the wretched Republicans in thrall of their disgraced and discredited leader.
SuperLib
Just wanted to point out that states have measures that prevent evictions, but the tab keeps running. People might be able to stay in their rental for now but at some point the entire bill, all of the back rent, will have to be paid. $1,400 won't make a dent in that.
ArtistAtLarge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Rescue_Plan_Act_of_2021
Everything you need to know.
bass4funk
The GOP made spread from it in 2011
Which will be revealed in 2011.....again.
I did, but found nothing....odd. But yeah, the polls said Obamacare was widely popular and that’s why the GOP won the House because all the polls said the ACA was a hit.
Lazarus Knows
These are all things you can look up in the poll's data. "I'm too lazy to look things up, therefore they don't exist" isn't the excellent argument you think it is.
Bob Fosse
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I see people were tricked into believing this.
JeffLee
@Desert Tortoise
Yes, it will,,, but doesn't have to. The money will be spent, saved and invested by then so what's the point of issuing "debt" at that point?
If the bonds aren't issued, nothing economic will happen, just a certain number on a spreadsheet will be changed. Or, alternatively the govt can issue the bonds and then the Fed can buy them. which is what central banks do anyway, especially in Japan. It can even cancel all that "debt" if it chose to.
Haha, no it isn't. The US government isn't a household, It is the monopoly issuer of dollars, which is why its non-sensical to believe that it "borrows" these dollars.
Bob Fosse
That old chestnut again?
You mean reimagining a defeat as a future predicted victory which never happens, again?
SuperLib
*decided
SuperLib
Who on earth would believe that?
I mean, even if you didn't research anything at all and live entirely in the conservative bubble, doesn't that statement just sound a bit fishy to you? There's no part of you that says, "What a minute, that just sounds crazy unbelievable to me?"
The package has bipartisan support from Americans so this is a huge win for the Dems. The GOP had a chance to share the spotlight and help out of the working class but I guess they deciding spreading lies to win a battle they have no chance of winning was the....better option?
Weird.
proxy
Does this help the huge increase in the number of children in captivity for illegally crossing the border?
ArtistAtLarge
What about all the family owned businesses that will never reopen?... Is Congress enacting legislation for them? Of course not.
Why do you assume that?
https://www.inquirer.com/philly-tips/relief-bill-stimulus-checks-congress-biden-20210310.html
bass4funk
Which Americans? Where, what Demographics, who and how many were polled, how many independent and extreme center media outlets showed a favorable view? I believe that number when it comes to liberals, but conservatives, not buying it, Nope.
Lol! They sure will like they did with Obamacare and they wanted their anger to be heard, that’s why the Dems lost the House two years later after it was passed.
kyushubill
"That might be enough to stave off eviction. Remember about 17 million households in the US are behind on their rent or their mortgage with about 6 million at immediate risk of eviction. Landlords likewise are behind for lack of payment from their tenants."
All 50 states have eviction restrictions in place. Oklahoma's is the soonest to expire, November this year. Most expire January 1, 2022.
$1400 is nothing for the average person. Especially as the mega corporations have been doing business without restriction during the year long lockdowns.
What about all the family owned businesses that will never reopen? How will they be compensated? Their employees are unemployed. Is $1400 going to see them through next month or the month after? How about the lost benefits? Is Congress enacting legislation for them? Of course not. That doesn't pay off their K Street Lobbyist buddies.
As usual the US uniparty (Dempublicans and Republicrats) care more about their Wall Street pals and Banking cartels than the average person. Just like in 2009 the average person can bug off but Wall Street gets the bail outs.
Jsapc
That's a big lie.
This is an even bigger lie.
You live in an alternate reality.
Goodlucktoyou
Didn’t I just read that they have to borrow $6000 to give $1000?
Desert Tortoise
Sigh. We didn't forget the truth. Here is the truth. The Democrat majority House fully supported the $2000 stimulus check bill but the Republican majority Senate refused to go along. In fact the previous Senate would not agree to a stimulus bill of more than $600 million.
One thing the House held out against the original wording of the Trump administration proposal was a section that shielded businesses from any liability related to the pandemic. The Repubs wanted business to be able to do what they wanted to customers and employees without worrying about legal consequences. The Democrats refused to go along with this. If you look at the conditions in businesses such as meat packing plants and warehousing where the infection and death rates were high you can maybe understand why the Democrats didn't want to let business off the hook and take advantage of their employees.
GdTokyo
Biden and the Democrats pass desperately needed legislation to provide real benefits to those in need (admittedly, it's not perfect).
GOP does not provide a single vote in either house for legislation that has an approval North of 75% for the general electorate and a solid majority of self-identified Republicans.
All the while, the GOP cries about cancel culture, Dr. Seuss (notably that was NOT the Democratic Party, but the Seuss foundation, and they never actually read the books that are being withdrawn, but Green Eggs and Ham, which is not.), An androgynous vegetable toy and an extinct species of hominoid.
Yeah, that is going to be a SOLID election strategy.....
Desert Tortoise
That might be enough to stave off eviction. Remember about 17 million households in the US are behind on their rent or their mortgage with about 6 million at immediate risk of eviction. Landlords likewise are behind for lack of payment from their tenants.
bass4funk
Not one, two which completely devastated the Democrats until recently, so I feel good at this point to quote “James Brown.”
Desert Tortoise
That is not the case at all. They understand perfectly well but chose to craft lies hoping to discredit their political opposition. Their voter suppression policies are couched in great nuance to disguise their true intent.
bass4funk
I don’t know a single person in my neighborhood that was polled about it, and not to mention a big amount of those people don’t know the exact details of what’s in it, when I talk to people why does support it and if they know what’s in it I hear a lot of people that just can’t give me a definitive answer, so from the optics of it, it might look good, but then again talking about déjà vu the Democrats at the same thing about Obama care and look what kind of monstrosity that turned out to be, so once again history is repeating itself, I will just be happy once the Republicans retake the house allow this madness will come to a much needed grinding end.
The Dems said the exact same Think about Obama care and we really don’t need to go into history as far as to what happened in 2011.
Desert Tortoise
No it is not. The debt is real. The US Treasury will sell bonds for the amount of money spent by Congress above and beyond tax receipts. The US has to pay the face value of the bond plus interest at the date of maturity. A little over half the US outstanding debt is owned by people and institutions (banks, brokerages, mutual and retirement funds, etc. including the Federal Reserve) in the US. The rest is owned by foreign entities. Japanese and Chinese interests each own about 10% of the outstanding US Treasury notes with Chinese holdings just ever so slightly larger than those of the Japanese.
fxgai
It baffles that such a large stimulus is really required now, when the worst of the coronavirus seems to be behind us. I envy the US at least in that they have made huge progress in vaccinations (developed in the US) whereas Japan is nowhere with vaccinations and hasn’t even seen a single local vaccine developed yet. The former POTUS had backwards messaging and contributed to the high death count in the US I believe, but at least the former administration did see to it that vaccines were developed in spite of their stupid leader.
This is good. The PPP is started by the prior administration and the current administration is continuing with a program from the prior administration. I like that.
But it does seem that there is much in the 1.9 trillion that has nothing much to do with the coronavirus. I mean they were trying to out a minimum wage doubling to 15 dollars in there, which they couldn’t do because it broke the reconciliation rules. I am certain that is not the only non-coronavirus policy in there.
I’m going to sell some of my US stock funds later this year, hopefully before things turn south if I am smart enough. Still, vaccinations are progressing and jobs are coming back, so there should be some good times ahead in the short run, I figure...
2020hindsights
bass4funk
Complete waste - economy already on the middle of a recovery. Biden on his way to becoming the new debt king.
Not sure how you determine that considering that this bill has 75% public support, it is more likely to help the Dems in the midterms.
Belrick
I don't know what's more idiotic, democrats printing money out of thin air under the guise of Covid Relief when less than 10% of it is actually earmarked for that, or the ignorance of liberals on this site who forget how Dumbocrats blocked Trump's $2000 stimulus bill!
bass4funk
But in actuality there is a silver lining to all of this, Biden is actually helping the GOP and definitely helping them to retake the house, so as bad as it is, it’s a good thing so old Joe just laid down the groundwork for them to retake the house in two years and then the Senate. This is exactly a repeat of what happened after Obama and minions had their majorities in all 3 branches and the Democrats bungled and squandered everything, they lost the house 2011 and then the Senate and 2014 so it’s déjà vu once again.
Hervé L'Eisa
I stand corrected(verified by "Politifact") :
“About 9 percent of it [is] actually going to COVID, meaning 91 percent of it [is] not even COVID-related,”
More pork than a pig farm.
JeffLee
@Wolfpack
Where's the "debt"? The money will start being spent in a few days time. So where did the cash come from? A loan? An account somewhere? Or does the govt spend the money first and then arrange a loan for it.... afterward?!?.
The assumption that the US is "borrowing" its own money (that it issues) - and therefore racks up "debt" - is non-sensical.
Jsapc
So to the millions of people on the verge of or in poverty, who can't afford the next rent or feed their kids, you're just saying, "Hey, the economy is recovering, you don't need help!"?
You people all watch way too much fox news. And need to suffer some hard times yourself so you can learn some humility and basic human decency.
Hervé L'Eisa
~75% of which is completely UNRELATED to the virus, all at the expense of working people. USSA.
Haaa Nemui
"It's too much!!!"
"It's not enough!!!"
ClippetyClop
Can he make a list of his own achievements and put this on it?
ulysses
These idiots fall over each other to give tax cuts to the rich, but cry socialism when money is given to those who need it.
kyushubill
Woo hoo $1400 whole dollars. Why that just may pay one months rent.
Wolfpack
Complete waste - economy already on the middle of a recovery. Biden on his way to becoming the new debt king.
Jsapc
And all of us wish the GOP and their supporters were honest, but alas, everyday they seem to plunge deeper into the abyss of hypocrisy and bad faith.
plasticmonkey
Trump wanted $2,000 stimulus checks. Republicans supported this, including the two failed senate candidates in Georgia.
But now $1,400 stimulus checks are called socialism.
Haaa Nemui
Here’s me thinking it was an adjective for the victory and not a title for Biden. Thank you for clearing that up.
non party
Yes Yeah .. That was really tough ..
But such a kind of victory is possible only by Biden..
Major Biden
JeffLee
I agree, depending on the circumstances. Massive govt and monetary stimulus pulled us out of the Global Financial Crisis, as well as the Great Depression of the 30s, when enormous govt spending and central planning for WW2 turned the US from a poverty stricken society with an economy in ruins into the the world's undisputed leader in terms of prosperity, technology and political influence - in just a few years.
Penfold
Printing money out of thin air always helps. Now how about giving a press conference?, it’s only been 48 days
The Avenger
Finally, Making America Great Again!
Not a single GOP congress member voted for well being of Americans.
Strangerland
If the 'pubs are lucky, the dems will let them use some of the relief money to buy tissues to wipe up their tears due to Sleepy Joe legislating without them, and the stress they get from his huge support as a result of said actions.
I guess maybe they should have tried being bipatrisan sometime in the past 20 years. Maybe then the dems would have entertained their whining.
PTownsend
'Socialism' is used as a negative term primarily by the far right when public money is used to help those failed by the US economy. What the right want is more socialism for the 'elite' 'establishment', programs like the Republican's tax breaks for the richest and subsidies for their corporations.
On a socialism for the rich aside, this is interesting. I thought Trump supporters claimed he was so rich that he, his family and appointees would never feed from the public trough.
https://time.com/5863616/trump-ppp-bailout-loans/