Crowds attack French police for second night over death of arrested man

no respect of the law then shoot to kill .

Madverts

Claiming you're right because you have intelligent friends in France doesn't quite make an argument my friend

Claiming you're right because you live in France doesn't make an argument neither, old chum. You have your opinion, but I'd rather listen to my French friends, after all it's their country and they know it better.

social fabric of France right know would end in some kind of a civil war

It will anyway. Unchecked violence of les banlieues and endless immigration will do the job. In a decade or two the moslem population of France will outnumber the white Christian population.

Every time at the end of our exchanges you pull out your victim card

What are you talking about? When, where I did that?

if you can't take a bit of sarcasm then don't bother debate me

And what happened to the "It's all supposed to be a bit of fun" part?

your Russian police

Here it again. "We sing to the deaf", obviously.

AsakazeJUL. 22, 2016 - 03:26PM JST It seems you've developed some kind of fixation on Russia, my friend, you mention it on every occasion.

I've played nice, offered you a fair opinion from the terrain as you asked for. Claiming you're right because you have intelligent friends in France doesn't quite make an argument my friend. Not at all in fact.

You are saying the police in France are ineffective and weak for not using brutality and violence to quell uprisings, as I imagine your Russian police would were it the case. I've explained to you why Europeans would be outraged at this and why the social fabric of France right know would end in some kind of a civil war were they to act in that manner. Every time at the end of our exchanges you pull out your victim card - if you can't take a bit of sarcasm Asakaze then don't bother debate me, I have nothing against you or your countrymen. It's all supposed to be a bit of fun.

Holland's regime...

Poor French people...

It seems you've developed some kind of fixation on Russia, my friend, you mention it on every occasion.

One of my acquintances was from Paris, one from Saint-Malo (I've visited it once). And here in Tokyo I worked with a professor who is from Bretagne.

Where are they living, Courchevel?

Certainly some pampered area where Russian oligarchs come to waste their gazillions, not the real France I've described to you.

Outrider, thanks!

Madverts

certainly no shame to be Russian

Absolutely agree!!

you got the situation on the ground here in France wrong

Disagree. I had a couple of well-educated and well-informed French aсquaintances who described me the situation in France very vividly and extensively.

Kurisupisu,

They were perhaps trying to escape being beaten to death, whoops, I mean having an early heart attack.

Asakaze,

You're not Russian?? I have Russian friends they're perfectly normal and quite cultured actually, certainly no shame to be Russian my friend. All I'm saying is you got the situation on the ground here in France wrong.

Asakaze, good post.

Madverts

Interesting observations. I think both sides are to blame for the explosive situation in les banlieues . The inhabitants of such areas consider themselves entitled to special treatment and welfare payments, while the political class of France does not want to admit the complete failure of its immigration policy and simply hopes that the problems will disappear on their own and that the explosion of the boiling kettle will happen not on their's, but somebody else's watch. With such attitude God save France!

And I do not understand why you so stubbornly try to paint me as a Russian. I live in Japan and yes, I support Russia's strongman - for a reason, I just compare Russia in 2000 and in 2016 and see the difference. And trust me, among people here who are interested in international affairs I'm not alone.

"Weeks of rioting erupted in Paris’s often grim suburbs in 2005 after the death of youths who were electrocuted when they hid from police in a power generation hub."

Anyone entering a power generating station must surely have seen the warnings and then there are riots???

France seems to need better education for its special needs......

Thank-you for your comments Kuya.

Comparisons with the US's remnants of slavery are similar I guess to France's North African escapades, the main difference I'd note is that African Americans consider and are even proud to be Americans first and foremost. Those here in les banlieues consider themselves Algerian or Morrocan despite being four generations removed and usually never having set foot in Africa. Certainly not French as their passport would indicate. And worse, where they aspire to be from then locals would have nothing to do with them! Good luck fixing that...

The condensed version imo is that the french have a huge population of descendants of North African origin that have by and large been marginlized, grouped in big housing estates which have then been left to rot and fester up to the point where there is utter hatred on all sides with the situation ripe to explode violently.

@Madverts

I think your take on this situation is pretty accurate. In fact, I think you hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head. You only need to look across the pond to the US to see the failure of these kinds of policies. The situation we see in Chicago being a good example.

Concentrating a marginalized segment of a society, isolating them from economic and social opportunities and then maintaining their marginal status through social welfare; just hasn’t proven itself as an effective way to create a harmonious and peaceful community. It actually has the opposite effect.

The Gendarmerie don't do political correctness. They're openly racist, I think you're confusing France with the UK.

The condensed version imo is that the french have a huge population of descendants of North African origin that have by and large been marginlized, grouped in big housing estates which have then been left to rot and fester up to the point where there is utter hatred on all sides with the situation ripe to explode violently.

All parties involved share some of the blame but the fact is the government keeps putting the kid back on the kettle each time it blows off and hoping it will simply go away, when even a simpleton can see this attitude is madness.

Couple this with the rise in Islamic extremism and the relative ease with which one can aquire an AK in France and you have a tinder box. That and that alone is why they are treading lightly....

....oh and quite possibly because it's painfully obvious the suspect was beaten to death in custody.

Perhaps you're OK with that being both Russian and a supporter of your own Russian strongman, but here in Europe we refuse to accept police brutality. Hope that helps.

Madverts, thanks for your opinion.

But I still do not understand why the police, with all their assermentations, are so meek when deal with such crowds. I think it's political correctness, they are afraid to be called racists. PC ruins France. Liberté, égalité et fraternité do not mean the right to throw petrol bombs at your whim and attack the police. "On the land of free" US cops in such situations shoot first and ask questions later.

Damned predictive text. I'll never forgive BlackBerry for going to the unspeakable Android. Good to see you on form :)

Sure - in France the police have what is called assermentations. It means they are a higher being and their word means more than yours. For example Gendarme decides you are speeding with no proof whatsoever, you get a fine. Try to contest it, it gets worse. They are not liked by the general public, trust me I live here. And these kind of powers are hardly in sync with liberté, égalité et fraternité. N'est-ce pas ?

WC, birth my grandfather's fought here too. It doesn't give you a special insight into the country however, nor the authority to talk rubbish as you've been doing recently.

In any democracy, if a suspect in his twenties doesn't make it to the copshop alive after being arrested and somehow was seen covered in blood despite a "heart attack" , there's a lot of people going to be disgusted. No matter what his alleged crime, color or religion is.

I have every faith your "brotherhood" will protect their own and sweep this under the carpet once more. Les banlieues are a boiling kettle. Just so you know.

Madverts

You sound particularly biter there Asakaze old boy

What happened to the British education system? You should write "bitter" with two "t", old chum. I hope your joy with success of the anti-Russian doping machinations is the culprit, not your illiteracy.

And should we stay on the subject? Can you share your ideas why the French police, which have too much power as you claim, can not handle the situation?

Does civil disobedience increase as the number of welfare hand out recipients also increase?

The French police have too much power.

But Police Officers are among the most powerful people in a society in or out of uniform. We, the society empowering them, expect them to do heir jobs no matter what. And they certainly shouldn't be attacking them there in France.

In the US, they've been targeted big time. Even some marching, chanting for their death. Perhaps we should propose a bill for legislation. Making verbal terror threats against police officers a misdemeanor crime. If they're armed, charge hem with a felonyand throw the book at em'.

That said, I wouldn't want their jobs at the moment.

What a cowardly thing to say. In times like these, valor of their service should be greatly appreciated and respected.

The whole affair aptly demonstrates how dysfunctional the French state is and how powerless the French police are. Whith such crowd control prowess they'll have major civil unrest and strife in several years. Can you imagine such toothless law enforcement in the US? In such situations the French police should do like US cops did in Ferguson.

The French police have too much power. That said, I wouldn't want their jobs at the moment.

Ma cité va craqué !

About 15 cars and dozens of public garbage bins were set on fire by crowds who also hurled petrol bombs at a nursery school

This tells you all you need to know about these vaguely unidentified "crowds." Not too many people named Pierre or Jacque, I would wager.

Five police were slightly injured on the first night, when they were shot at by people with firearms

No disrespect to the deceased, but if someone tries to prevent the arrest of someone wanted for violence and extortion, I would want my police force to get aggressive.

Why would there be any link between these idiots in Paris and that mass-murderer of little children in Nice?