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Black and white shooting each other seems another civil war now. More would happen like this. This seems America's fate.

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This is a disgusting act ..to attack cops who are innocent and just doing their jobs. just as disgusting as watching a policeman shoot a man reaching for his ID like he told him too.. just as disgusting as watching a cop shoot a man running away and plant a Taser on him..

None of it's justified it's all the same.. people killing and creating more violence

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Stand down America, stand down.

Since the Republican rearming of assault weapons in 2004 under George W. Bush, some 5 to 10 million assault weapons have been sold in the States at the demand of the NRA. (No one is certain how many because it seems the NRA demands silence in selling deadly products.)

Now, Police Officers are expected to answer the NRA's weaponizing of the unstable, unbalanced an un-American threats who carry weapons intended for war.

Dallas cries but who will survive the next attack based in anger and firepower designed for war? Awash in guns, the very belief that the Second Amendment safe guards Freedom is a destructive and very profitable lie.

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Imagine that. Remove the guns and the violence disappears. All this time I thought bad people do bad things. I never realized it's the gun that makes people hurt or kill. Disarm the police, they have guns and the need to shoot people must be compelling.

Nothing but a hateful racist man here. He could find other options and even explored making a bomb. The rifle allowed him to target the white police. The bomb would have been less focused.

How about if the gangbangers lay down their guns and stop the perpetual minority killings giving police a fear of a black man with a gun. Education opens doors for improving lifelong conditions. Drug sales and gangs do nothing for a young mans future.

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Imagine that. Remove the guns and the violence disappears. All this time I thought bad people do bad things. I never realized it's the gun that makes people hurt or kill. Disarm the police, they have guns and the need to shoot people must be compelling.

Obama and his minions are out of their mind if they think this incident will change the second amendment. As a matter of fact, this could possible help Trump, many people fear if Hillary is president, she would start a chain reaction of slowly worming her way or using her clout as a deceiver to strip away rights from gun owners. Not going to happen.

Nothing but a hateful racist man here. He could find other options and even explored making a bomb. The rifle allowed him to target the white police. The bomb would have been less focused.

Now you know the left HAVE to politicize every issue and throw in the race card and bring in Al Sharpton, that's the only card they have, that and the emotional card.

How about if the gangbangers lay down their guns and stop the perpetual minority killings giving police a fear of a black man with a gun. Education opens doors for improving lifelong conditions. Drug sales and gangs do nothing for a young mans future.

BINGO!

Now, I will say, this guy was a complete lunatic and it is very heartbreaking what this guy didm unimaginable, but also, the other two men that were shot by the police was a bit too much from what it seems as of now. Just terrible.

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Nothing but a hateful racist man here

And as long as those kinds of people exist, and as long as we have cheap and easy access to guns, every now and then one of them is going to pop off and murder 5 cops. Your choice. Not mine.

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Remember, everyone: it wasn't the gun, it was the crazy guy. Circle the wagons. Buy more guns!

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bass: As a matter of fact, this could possible help Trump

So congratulations for that.

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I don't get how people can say this was a disgusting act that killed innocent people who were just doing their jobs, but turn around and have no compassion for the innocent people killed by blatant police brutality. This is what happens and will continue to happen until cops stop killing innocent people and the courts stop letting murderers kill with impunity. It's called blowback. Deal with it.

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Neither Thomas Jefferson nor James Madison would have let anyone take away their AK47s. No doubt the framers of the Second Amendment couldn't imagine anyone taking away their Berettas either... or their tanks. You let someone do that, and pretty soon they'll be wanting to examine your missile silos.

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And as long as those kinds of people exist, and as long as we have cheap and easy access to guns, every now and then one of them is going to pop off and murder 5 cops. Your choice. Not mine.

...Or we can address the race culture and bring the people together and stop having people like the president and racists like Al Sharpton and the BLM group add more fire to the fuel.

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First of all my sincere sympathy to the victims and their families. This was a senseless act of violence at a peaceful protest to bring attention to double standards being practiced by police departments throughout country. The double standards exist mainly because policeman are being trained to approach young, black male citizens with extreme caution and aggression while other non-black citizens are less likely to experience this form of aggressive policing. It is a sad reality and the frustrations are beginning to erupt into a violent "us against them" mentality throughout most black communities. It appears that history is repeating itself as we see flashbacks from the past when police brutality against young, black men was just as horrific as it is in 2016. The lack of respect and mistrust of policeman will ultimately improve once the police start to treat black citizens with the same level of respect and fairness that's given to non-black citizens.

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Or we can address the race culture and bring the people together and stop having people like the president and racists like Al Sharpton and the BLM group add more fire to the fuel.

Or we can stop taking any attempt by blacks to obtain equal treatment under the law, and any attempt by blacks to stop being second class citizens as a threat or an assault on white people. When will you get it through your thick head that there's an implied "too" at the end of BLM. And I don't understand why you dislike Al Sharpton. He's on your side not ours.

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In spectacular cases like this, copycat crimes are always a major concern. Let's hope the US is not in for another "long, hot summer."

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Or we can stop taking any attempt by blacks to obtain equal treatment under the law, and any attempt by blacks to stop being second class citizens as a threat or an assault on white people. When will you get it through your thick head that there's an implied "too" at the end of BLM.

So Blacks are now second class citizens???

I don't understand why you dislike Al Sharpton. He's on your side not ours.

My side??? What are you talking about?

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I don't consider myself racist, but I'm tired of all these race wars. News like this makes me think sometimes that humans, just like many animal species are better off with their own breed (and I'm ashamed of even thinking like this). Fled my country because couldn't endure the daily stress of fearing for my life and belongings as being white automatically makes you a "rich" in the eyes of the other people, it's isolate yourself from the society or run the risk of getting mugged for a pair of shoes. Then I come to the country of my dreams just to realize I will never be accepted anyway and no matter how clean is your lookings, you cause fear to the people around you (specially in small places) and sometimes you see yourself as a circus monkey, as people around you laugh and look at you with great interest while you're simply doing trivial things as riding a bicycle to work. I'm really sorry and ashamed of thinking like this, but if I ever immigrate again, I will be rushing to the whitest place available, where "race" won't be a daily issue for me anymore.

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I will be rushing to the whitest place available, where "race" won't be a daily issue for me anymore.

That would give you a choice of Appalachia, North Dakota or Utah I guess. Believe me, it's better to be treated as a foreign freak.

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Former GOP Congressman: http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/08/former-congressman-tells-obama-and-blm-punks-to-watch-out/

"This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

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It seems that humans are fundamentally racist, sexist, and generally don't like people who are 'different' from themselves, whether that be different looks, different religion, different uniform, different social behavior etc. Fortunately most humans can control these feelings and don't have urges to hurt or kill others but there are always going to be some who can't.

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That was a big mistake ya bunch of dumb shooting idiots because these dumb shooters are going to get us all killed because this will be another push to fully militarize the police and soon there will be tanks roaming the streets we are all screwed

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The sad fact is the problems with the black community in the United States are not police brutality and racism but rather issues within the black community itself. It is imperative we address issues such as the breakdown of the black family unit, educational levels, drug use, and black-on-black crime if we ever hope to truly address and remedy the frustration and pain black population is feeling as a whole. The problem is that any white politician willing to state the truth will immediately be called a racist and any black politician will be labeled an "Uncle Tom". Fixing these 'real' issues is a whole lot tougher than wiping out police brutality and it's not what people want to hear. Police brutality is absolutely an issue that desperately needs to be addressed but it is not a "racism" issue (for the most part) like the media and political pundits try to portray it.

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It is imperative we address issues such as the breakdown of the black family unit, educational levels, drug use, and black-on-black crime if we ever hope to truly address and remedy the frustration and pain black population is feeling as a whole

Haven't we been doing this continuously since the 1960's? Lots of variables as to why nothing has really worked: affirmative action, welfare, crack cocain, corruption of public officials, bad cops, single parents, poor infrustructure, racism both ways, music that glorifies crime and gangs, on and on and on. To me, it's all about leadership, and the main reason why I voted for Obama in his first term, only to see him fall into the role of the US corporate executive, and not the community organizer he sold himself as. He's had 7 years with the justice department and the FBI at his disposal. All he's done is perpetuate the welfare state and has shown zero true leadership.

And another thing, what's this about using a robot bomb? Isn't that assassination? What happened to due process? How much do those bomb disposal robots cost? Sad!

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https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/vb.153080620724/10157280014500725/?type=2&theater

Trump has a good video response calling for prayers, compassion and love to all affected by these tragedies.. There are many aspects of our civil model as a whole that have to change but unlike Obama at least he didn't throw oil on the fire, didn’t talk about himself and didn't engage in nonsensical promises.I am heartened.

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Those who accuse Obama of fanning the fires of racism might as well blame those who report, say, child abuse or rape of fanning those as well. Reported cases of child abuse have risen steadily in Japan in recent years, not because the number of incidents have risen but because more people are paying attention to it. The same is true with race in America. Go ahead and sweep it under the carpet, retreating to your Pollyannaish era of a "great America" if you wish (and many do): that in no way makes the problem go away.

The victims of institutionalized racism will no longer put up with it, nor will their increasingly numerous white supporters. Things are getting better, not worse - it just doesn't seem like it because incidents that today draw national attention were just shrugged off not so long ago.

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Former GOP Congressman: http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/08/former-congressman-tells-obama-and-blm-punks-to-watch-out/ "This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you." - comments

What the comment presents is the worst of racism that populates the GOP-tea. What the article presents is the worst that racism can create. What difference whether black, white, red or green?

Dallas proves one issue for the Media and racists: ignorance and hate kill. Nothing more and they need nothing more than hate and ignorance. Some here might learn from Dallas. Some won't. Sad and tragic.

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Is it any surprise that all of this hate and killing is happening now? The community organizer in chief has instigated this mayhem from day one with his continued attacks on law enforcement and unhinged assumption that all white people are somehow innately racist. Just hours before the Dallas massacre Obama was telling all of the crazy black nationalists in America that whites are out to get black people. He basically tried and convicted the policemen involved in two recent shootings. Based on what? Apparently from his first hand knowledge of the incidents from his posh hotel suite in Poland. If the cops are guilty they will be tried and convicted just as the cop in SC is finding out. He must be making his racist mentor Jeremiah Wright proud.

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" he wanted to exterminate whites, "

Gee, I am glad that only whites can be racist! Otherwise, this sounds awfully troubling.

That said, I am also troubled by this

" was killed by a robot-delivered bomb after the shootings "

What the heck is this? The job of the police is to arrest subjects, not to blow them up with robot-delivered bombs. This sounds like a war zone, not a police procedure. Are they all mad?

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It has begun. (This is just my conjecture and only an extremely biased opinion on my part coming from all the frustration and discontentment with what is happening today and the total lack of action on the part of the world.)

This incident is exactly what Obama and Clinton had desired. (Just listen to their rhetoric, their reaction, their response and their involvement. They do not address the true issues at hand. They in fact only push to "disarm" the people and basically nullify the Amendment. They do not address racial and religious prejudice. They in fact use such rhetoric to create more dissension and hatred. They do not address the need for social order by improving and supporting the police, IRS, FBI, CIA, and even the medical and educational system. Everything they have said and done have "weakened" the USA and made the world much more "unstable" with tendency toward an Arab Spring but an Islamic revolution.)

Given their past actions and in-actions as well as their rhetoric, they have disrupted and weaken the US social and cultural base with basic racial, religious and sexual biases to force gun control to the point of confiscation, thus making USA weak to foreign invasion, including terrorism and eventual martial law. (I still cannot understand why NSA two years ago purchased so much Ammunition for their ? stock pile. I still do not know why IRS agents, including some that I know, were trained in using automatic weapons and and assault weapons. I still do not know why they had to create a massive data center just in the name of NSA. I still do not know why Obamacare was connected to the IRS which has legal and police powers separate from the normal legal system. I still do not know much too much of what has happened during Obama's administration to feel comfortable about anything.)

Martial law assures total control. (From the open border policy and unchecked immigration, they point to instigating internal divisiveness and by that weaken the country as a nation. From the open disclosure of US secrets to allowing the leak of important information including US technology, the prohibition of use of coal and oil in the name of global warming and ecology, US by the very economic decline has contributed to discontentment and divisiveness. )

Total control is desired by Communists, Dictators and in fact, Islam. It appears that, if Clinton wanted Communistic dictatorship as in China, then Obama wanted Islamic Theocracy.

If there is another major incident where the National Guard may be called in or the Army to assist in any major violence that may occur interstate, Obama can even call for martial law first by that state, then later even the entire nation when a war breaks out with N Korea or even China and who knows?

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If the cops are guilty they will be tried and convicted just as the cop in SC is finding out.>

I think you are missing the point just a little! Black people would rather the cops didn't go around executing folks in the first place. They believe that their law enforcement authorities are inherently racist and unwilling to address that situation themselves. Whether they are right or not is irrelevant, it is what they perceive. Their anger & frustration will inevitably lead to tragedies like this in a country that is unable to disarm its population.

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Wolfpack: He must be making his racist mentor Jeremiah Wright proud.

Nice. Let it all out, my Republican friend. The floor is yours.

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This is what happens when there's a reinforced and encouraged state of mind that there is widespread and prevalent prejudice and hostile racism of the police force on a minority group. Black Lives Matters, left-sided media and social media, and even Barack Obama himself have been promoting and encouraging the idea that there is an actual racist hatred agenda that our nation's police force has against African Americans. Im not saying that Racism doesnt exist but I believe that it exist in multiple levels and forms and differs among each individual. But I don't believe that our society's law enforcement and police force has an institutionalized racist discrimination and systematic annihilation of a minority group.

I believe what's to be blamed is the training and experience that each individual police officers needs to shoulder when they are out in the field. fear, emotion, and quick acting are always the key elements for all these police shootings.

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Total control is desired by Communists, Dictators and in fact, Islam. It appears that, if Clinton wanted Communistic dictatorship as in China, then Obama wanted Islamic Theocracy. - kazetsukaiJul. 09, 2016 - 12:00PM JST

Totally nuts.

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Black ,white or green,the racism card doesn't work anymore.

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Since the Republican rearming of assault weapons in 2004 under George W. Bush, some 5 to 10 million assault weapons have been sold in the States at the demand of the NRA.

And extremely few of these weapons have been used in any kind of crime. "Assault" weapons, as you call them, account for a very small amount of shootings in America. And Americans were not "rearmed" with assault weapons in 2004, the "assault weapons ban" only resulted in minor cosmetic changes to these guns, and restricted large capacity magazines. You could still buy an AR15 or AK47, FAL, M1A, HK 91/93, etc. during the ban period, and indeed, record numbers of these were sold, as it was feared that what was only a cosmetic ban might become a real ban. The ban expired in 2004, it was not abolished by Bush or anyone else. It was not renewed because it was found that the ban had no effect one way or the other on crime. The statistics are public record, if you want to check.

As for the shootings in Dallas, the incident will pretty much end the "black lives matter" demonstrations across the country. Apparently, black lives only matter when white policemen are involved. The countless thousands of young black men killed by other black men don't seem to matter at all. Police lives don't matter, as most police know. No one demonstrates for them when they are killed.

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But I don't believe that our society's law enforcement and police force has an institutionalized racist discrimination and systematic annihilation of a minority group.

Neither do I, but even a small percentage of cops, with the extreme power they wield, can make life miserable for a great number of people for a long period of time. Mixed in with the shootings you have the stories of rough rides where suspects get their necks broken in the back of a police van. That's even worse because there literally is no danger in that situation, it's just straight up torture.

Now throw in cops like the ones in Oakland who straight up murdered that guy in cuffs or that other cop who moved a gun closer to the guy he shot. All of those were exposed through video otherwise they would have gotten away with it and would be on the streets as we speak doing god knows what.

On top of that you have the police gangs, like the Rampart Division in Los Angeles. That involved 70 cops, rape, murder, torture, robbery, falsified evidence in over 100 convictions. That's just one.

All of those pockets of bad cops can easily turn a neighborhood hostile against them even if a vast majority of the cops are good people. And the bad cops seem to get away with it for years which shows how hard it is to root them out and how silent the others are. When people from those neighborhoods talk about being afraid of the police, they aren't just being some drama queen for the camera.

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There is not fire without smoke. The oppressed people will eventually take things on their own hands. Senseless deaths on cops hands. While other people are taken in custody alive strongly armed. Racism is still present and America is dealing with it in a bitter way. You reap what you sow.

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Hey, not a peep from illustrious poster WC, who was all worked up about BLM snipers taking over Dallas. Now we know it was a lone wolf army vet, so where is WC's retraction? Second time for him in a week.

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An unhappy-looking individual.

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"To admit we've got a serious problem in no way contradicts our respect and appreciation for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. It is to say that, as a nation, we can and must do better to institute the best practices that reduce the appearance or reality of racial bias in law enforcement." This is exactly what Obama said on his FB page Wolfpack.....how is this supporting the idea that whites have it in for blacks? This said hours before as you said. Read the entire page.......you straight out lie.

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Anyone who believes that shooting/sniping police in retaliation for unjustified police killings of black people is justified, doesn't realize that they have brought themselves to the same level as those police who they are angry at.

Neither side should be killing either side. It's despicable.

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Anyone who believes that shooting/sniping police in retaliation for unjustified police killings of black people is justified, doesn't realize that they have brought themselves to the same level as those police who they are angry at. Neither side

This is a racist comment designed to subtly pacify and derail black anger at not recieving justice. It's essentially reverse psychology. Blacks have been marching and singing and weeping and wailing at a white Jesus for too long. It's time to stop asking for justice and time to just take it instead.

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This is a racist comment designed to subtly pacify and derail black anger at not recieving justice.

Not even remotely. I'm a supporter of the BLM movement - black people shouldn't have to fear for their lives in every interaction with police, simply because they are black.

But neither should police have to fear for their lives when performing their jobs, simply because they are police.

It's time to stop asking for justice and time to just take it instead.

If you mean that in peaceful terms (think Gandhi) I agree. If you mean that in violent terms, I strongly disagree. Violence as a means to peace doesn't work. Violence only breeds more violence.

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Well thank you everyone for your responses and for even reading my designed ranting.

The fact is that very often an incident such as this tragedy is taken advantage of and exploited by politicians to pursue their own agenda such as gun control or race based violence, purporting offer solutions and appear to look concerned and honorable in some people's eyes, but often contributing to the cause of such violence.

And as this current discussion along with the other related articles here at this site shows, it brings out many personal issues that could be expressed because they appear to be related and relative, but does not find real solutions to the problems, the causes to the tragedy. In that process such discussion can go far beyond what may be reasonable and logical into the imagined worlds of "what if's". That usually occurs when there are unanswered questions that seem to relate but not provable or justifiable. (That is exactly what happened in my rant, above.)

However, it can be said that by reviewing what has happened over the past ten years or so, that there appears to be a "trend" and a "pattern" which could be explored as one would the changes in weather or the climate.

I decided to write that rant to have you look at the possibility that everything is not happening accidentally, just as not everything is occurring by design. But certain trending and patterns do concern me and could mean a lot more than just a matter of argument.

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The countless thousands of young black men killed by other black men don't seem to matter at all. Police lives don't matter, as most police know. No one demonstrates for them when they are killed. These are not facts but speculations. Black crimes are predominant in black neighborhoods. Same as white crimes in white neighborhoods. It does not change in Hispanic, Latino and Asian neighborhoods.

The statistics reveal that police officers are more often gunned down by whites. Obviously that will not be in the news.

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Not American but I guess most of the deaths are gang or mafia related.

True, if you have none of that business then you are very safe. The chances of anything happening to you is very low in that case. The problem with these mass shootings (even though it will most likely never happen to you) is everyone is on edge. This means more (expensive) security needed for any venues like movies theaters and clubs, etc. The chance of someone sneaking in knife or non semi auto gun is one thing. But make that a semi auto killing machine like this Dallas case or the Orlando club and we have front page CNN news all over again. It's about the guns. Anyone from any race can be crazy for whatever reason and these killing tools need to be restricted and in most cases for the semi autos new sales of them banned unless you go through a very strict registration and tax stamp process like with a machine gun (and no machine guns have been used in a mass shooting)

If anyone wants a gun it should be registered and even taxed in some cases like machine guns because I don't want high security costs passed onto me when I simply want to go watch a movie. Or the supermarket hiring some off duty cop which means higher food costs. It's ridiculous and expensive. It's bad for the economy.

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@ClippetyClop: I think you are missing the point just a little! Black people would rather the cops didn't go around executing folks in the first place.

So Whites are innately racist and there is a conspiracy of white supremacy in police departments all across America? That's a ridiculous mindset that is belied by the facts. Most all government agencies in the country do have a policy of affirmative action discrimination - which of course is a textbook definition of institutionalized racism - against white people. No one denies that a few police make tragic mistakes that lead to the death of people of all colors. Yes, police also kill unarmed white people as well. Is that also racism?

SuperLib: Let it all out, my Republican friend. I am not a Republican.

Neither do I, but even a small percentage of cops, with the extreme power they wield, can make life miserable for a great number of people for a long period of time.

That is a true statement. But the reason why people bring up black on black crime all the time is because the crime among blacks in impoverished areas of the country and from broken homes causes far more misery than those few police that make deadly mistakes in the course of doing their jobs.

Strangerland: I'm a supporter of the BLM movement - black people shouldn't have to fear for their lives in every interaction with police, simply because they are black.

Black Lives Matter is a hate group that has been preaching violence against white policemen. They say, "What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want it? Now!", and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon." Following the Dallas massacre social media exploded with BLM supporters giving their support for what happened. This hate group believes that all white people are inherently racist. I cannot understand why anyone would want to associate themselves with that.

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I think you are missing the point just a little! Black people would rather the cops didn't go around executing folks in the first place.

So Whites are innately racist and there is a conspiracy of white supremacy in police departments all across America?

What a weird conclusion to come to. The numbers show unarmed black people are killed at a disproportionate amount in the US. That doesn't equate to all white being innately racist, nor does it mean that there is a conspiracy of white supremacy in police departments all across America. Many pro-BLM people are also pro-police people. Wanting to not have unarmed black people have to fear for their lives in every stop by the police does not mean people think all police are racist.

That's a ridiculous mindset that is belied by the facts.

Bam, you took down that strawman just like it was a strawman.

That is a true statement. But the reason why people bring up black on black crime all the time is because the crime among blacks in impoverished areas of the country and from broken homes causes far more misery than those few police that make deadly mistakes in the course of doing their jobs.

The police however are supposed to be protectors of the people. That is their primary mission. So when they kill unarmed people, it's particularly heinous, since they are not only not doing their job (protecting the people), they are doing the exact opposite of their job.

And just because there is also "black-on-black" crime, does not mean that this issue should just be ignored.

Black Lives Matter is a hate group that has been preaching violence against white policemen. They say, "What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want it? Now!", and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon."

Really? Please back up both of these assertions with some facts, as I've never seen anything from the movement that is preaching violence against policemen. And if I had, I would have spoken out about it.

Something tells me that you've been listening to the lies in the bubble a little too much, without fact checking.

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@bass4funk

So Blacks are now second class citizens???

More like fourth class.

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So Whites are innately racist and there is a conspiracy of white supremacy in police departments all across America? Indirectly at least, yes. And it's costing Mr. US taxpayer lots of money. Happy?

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Strangerland,

I don't know how widespread that chant is, or how representative the view is, but there were incidents in which it was used.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/30/black-lives-matter-activists-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-after-cop-murder/

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Strangerland: The numbers show unarmed black people are killed at a disproportionate amount in the US.

This is a perfect example of the manipulation of statistics to further a racially divisive agenda. While blacks are disproportionately affected based on their overall percentage of the population, they are not when it comes to the overall number of citizen interactions with law enforcement. It is inflammatory and racist to leave out that context. I could say to you that police are racist against whites because in raw numbers more unarmed whites are killed by the police. Although statistically factual it leaves out the fact that whites are a larger proportion of the population than any other racial demographic.

Bam, you took down that strawman just like it was a strawman.

Not a strawman because the argument is that whites, and white policeman in particular, are racist and that this racism is institutionalized in police departments across America. Keep in mind that the majority of the large city police departments are run by Democrats of all races. If the argument was that only a few policeman regardless of race are targeting blacks you might have a point.

The police however are supposed to be protectors of the people.

Obviously. Yet BLM is attacking law enforcement and white cops in general as racist without evidence of racial intent on the part of the police involved in the incidents. That's dangerous. The black supremacist that killed the Dallas policeman was demonstrably motivated by racial hatred. Yet BLM generalizes all police as being racist and does not focus on the circumstances in each individual case. Just because a cop is white does not prove he is motivated by racism. Remember BLM was created following the incident in Ferguson in which the Left, from Obama on down, made the assumption that the shooting of Michael Brown was racially motivated. Officer Wilson was investigated and no one was able to prove that he was a racist or that his actions were unjustified.

BLM is a hate group and should be treated as such and shunned.

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...Or we can address the race culture and bring the people together and stop having people like the president and racists Hey bassfunky boy, how about we have the riht wing thugs, including one congressman who is egging on a race war quit their war of words first. How about them stop shooting innocent drivers because of their skin color? How about that idea? This shooting would not have happened without two innocent black people doing their own business being killed. This will happen again, and again, call it karma. But the right-wing is DYING for its race war, like you are. Life for the right-winger begins with a little murder.

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So Whites are innately racist and there is a conspiracy of white supremacy in police departments all across America? Indirectly at least, yes. And it's costing Mr. US taxpayer lots of money. Happy?

And this slander of all police and white people in general, without offering any proof whatsoever, is racially divisive and has led to the shooting of 12 cops in Dallas. Are you happy now?

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And this slander of all police and white people in general, without offering any proof whatsoever Blacks go to prison a lot more than whites for the same exact crimes and longer durations. You have a right to be happy about blacks being incarcerated if you choose to do so. But the problem is (if you are in the USA) it's costing you tax dollars. Are you happy that (again if you are in the USA) your tax dollars are being spent on incarcerations that are not doing any good? I'm talking about minor drug crimes, failure to pay child support because they can't, failure to pay court fees because they can't. Among other things. If you were in the USA it would be your tax money. Also, universal gun laws and registration would reduce black on black violence.

During the crack era it was just a turkey shoot for cops to round up blacks for possession of this drug in it's more solid form while whites and their powder form hardly had such treatment. So yes, there is your proof.

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Wolfpack: That is a true statement. But the reason why people bring up black on black crime all the time is because the crime among blacks in impoverished areas of the country and from broken homes causes far more misery than those few police that make deadly mistakes in the course of doing their jobs.

I understand the words you are saying, but I don't understand why you are saying them. We are talking about black people getting brutalized by cops. How is your response an actual response to that? Does the black community need to solve their internal problems before we can talk about the cop issue?

When I hear someone say the things you do it's often used to end the discussion about police brutality entirely. Just throw the problems back onto the victims and move on. You and I have the ability to exert influence over cops when the situation requires it. Choosing not to and then telling someone else to fix something they have no direct policy control over is just a way to keep the status quo continuing

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Choosing not to and then telling someone else to fix something they have no direct policy control over is just a way to keep the status quo continuing

And yet, they'd have you believe they want trump because he's not the status quo.

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Are you happy now? When there is serious gun control since the gun doesn't care what race the shooter or victim is. Beside the point anyway. Right now, this seems to be black on white mass shooting. And that's just now and if you look at past stories shooters and victims are all races. White on black with the church shooting. The Va Tech. shooter was born in S. Korea and I guess he was targeting anyone. The theater shooter was white and he was targeting anyway and it's good his 100 round magazine (which is crazy to allow those to be sold) jammed. Then we have abortion doctor shooters who seem to be white people attacking all of American freedom.

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It may have been the first time a suspect has been intentionally blown up with a bomb delivered by robot by the police, yet it is SO VERY indicative of the mentality of our police force today, isn't it? Whether they murder innocent civilians or not so-innocent ex-cons they have control of, you get met with the blue wall of silence. If you kill police, forget about negotiations or a siege, they just flagrantly murder you with a bomb. A BOMB people! The police have BOMBS?? If that bomb had accidentally killed some kid, would they have just played it down with military jargon like "collateral damage" or "free fire zone"?

Considering all that has happened to get us to this point, then looking at the para-military style in which it was handled, without hesitation, its not surprising that someone decided to shoot at random police. Its surprising that so few people are doing it! Look, you cannot really say a man in a uniform is 100 percent innocent, ya know? As soon as you put that uniform on you take on some responsibility for the entire organization you just joined. And that organization is past just looking like a para-military goon squad (read about the flash bangs used in killing Aiyana Jones!), they ARE a para-military goon squad! Hitler himself would be envious of how so many Americans adore them despite this! Goebbels would envy the success of American propaganda, esp. that out of Hollywood!

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None of it's justified it's all the same.. people killing and creating more violence

Not entirely the same. Cops are given power and authority to serve and protect civilians, and thus they are held at a higher standard. For them to act like thugs is not good, to say the least.

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Superlib

I understand the words you are saying, but I don't understand why you are saying them to the people you say them too,

They have no interest in dialogue.

They are evil.

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More like fourth class.

So then how did Obama become president? Under the Democrats, Blacks have and continue to suffer, in virtually every state that has a large Black population and is run by a Democratic official, they have slipped in society. From education to employment, the president as well as the Democratic party has been to absolute worst thing for Blacks.

Once again, here is proof that the myth that police are indiscriminately shooting Blacks for No reason is a complete lie. Are all cops bad, of course not. Are all Blacks innocent, of course not. Do cops sometimes jump the gun, of course, do some Blacks play and milk the victimization card and use it for political purposes, certainly. We need to sit down and have a serious talk about race and face reality and not add emotion to the argument because, you can never win it like that.

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Once again, here is proof that the myth that police are indiscriminately shooting Blacks for No reason is a complete lie.

Where is proof? You said that and didn't show any proof.

Are all cops bad, of course not.

Almost no one is claiming all cops are bad, with the exception of a few fringe people. So good job in swatting down that strawman.

Are all Blacks innocent, of course not.

No one is claiming that all black people are innocent. So good job in chopping down that strawman as easily as if it were.... a strawman!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/08/the-big-question-about-why-police-pull-over-so-many-black-drivers/

The NIJ also cites a possible difference in committing stoppable offenses. Though many studies find no difference between whites and blacks in driving habits, there is some evidence that seat-belt use is lower among black drivers and passengers, which could prompt disproportionate stops and tickets.

5) The situation gets even more complicated with respect to vehicle searches. In this case, it's less likely that these other factors are at work. It's more likely either statistical discrimination (targeting black people because they're more likely to be carrying contraband) and outright prejudice (targeting black people because of animus toward them). The first would indicate that black people are searched more because they’re more likely to carry contraband, while the latter would say that black people are searched more often because the police have an antagonism toward them.

It’s an important difference — the former is a result of the police maximizing the number of offenders who are caught, whereas the latter is a result of the police seeking to punish black drivers. The former — what people usually mean when they say "racial profiling" — is ethically controversial for literally targeting people of certain skin colors, but sometimes defended as merely an efficient use of resources. The latter, not so much.

In simple terms, the impact of these two types of discrimination can be compared by looking at the rate people of each race are caught with contraband after they’ve been searched. If black drivers are consistently less likely to be caught with contraband than whites, that means the police are spending their time searching less-suspicious blacks rather than more-suspicious whites, indicating prejudice.

A 2006 study of police searches in Florida found no evidence of prejudice, but evidence of statistical discrimination. More recent figures from 2014 and 2015 published by the New York Times show blacks who are searched are around 20 percent less likely to be carrying contraband than whites who are searched. While that certainly raises the odds that prejudice is playing a role, it can't be said for certain without a more careful study.

To some, however, the distinction between statistical discrimination and outright prejudice isn't so great. “Racial profiling sends the dehumanizing message to our citizens that they are judged by the color of their skin,” reads a fact sheet from the Department of Justice. It cited a “moral obligation” to prohibit the practice. In other words, the department finds both statistical discrimination and prejudice to be unethical.

But others argue that racial discrimination in law enforcement is a cost-effective way to fight crime, a way to apprehend the most guilty people with the fewest officer hours. New York City, under Mayor Michael Bloomberg, fought to defend its “stop, question, and frisk” policy in court. Officers disproportionately stopped blacks by a large margin under the policy; that is, the officers statistically discriminated against them. The city's defense in court focused on the policy's impact — how many weapons were confiscated, how much crime had fallen — and less so on the racial disparity. The policy was struck down as an illegal search in federal court in 2013. The city filed an appeal at first, but Mayor Bill DeBlasio withdrew it after he assumed office, ending the practice.

Ethics aside, this is where the research leaves us: Black drivers certainly get more face-time with traffic cops. But to what extent that reflects discrimination, and whether that discrimination is based in racial prejudice, is more of an open question.

Interesting, that clears up a lot of confusion! Also factor in, if you don't listen to the officer, if you resist at anytime, you are in violation of the law. When a police officer tells you to do something, shut up and do it and then later after everything is finished, take the appropriate actions, but mouthing off and protesting and challenging the cop, you will lose every time. It makes sense now, a lot of the stops are justified after all, now that doesn't mean that all cops are friendly, innocent are free from prejudice, however, the ruse that police are indiscriminately killing Blacks for NO apparent reason is an outright lie. Also, if you look at the crime rate and how it's gone up since DeBlasio (Liberal, of course) did away with Stop and Frisk and look at how high the murder is climbing. Again, we need to have serious dialogue and an honest discussion about reality and race and justice and when you look at the real facts, it's clear, the blame cannot be set squarely on the shoulders on the police. Blacks also need to take accountability and responsibility for the outcome of their actions. NOT pointing that out would be prejudice as well as be cowardly.

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When a police officer tells you to do something, shut up and do it ....... the ruse that police are indiscriminately killing Blacks for NO apparent reason is an outright lie.

Apparently, talking is a justifiable reason to be shot in your little world. So is failing to hold still while being tazed....or beaten. Something tells me you supported the cop that shot Walter Scott in the back as he was fleeing a traffic stop. And you can't figure out why people, esp. Black people would be afraid of U.S. police? Or do you think fear leads to better outcomes?

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murder is climbing. Again Yes,you make a good point for universal checks and strict gun registration. Works in Japan, doesn't it?

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Apparently, talking is a justifiable reason to be shot in your little world. So is failing to hold still while being tazed....or beaten.

What got him in that position to be tazed? The police are not going to taze you for the fun of it. If they taze you, you probably did something to deserve it.

Something tells me you supported the cop that shot Walter Scott in the back as he was fleeing a traffic stop.

Something tells me you don't know anything about me or what I think

And you can't figure out why people, esp. Black people would be afraid of U.S. police? Or do you think fear leads to better outcomes?

I think if you do as your told, listen to the officer, don't argue, follow his instructions, you'll be ok. As a report was stating the majority of arrests involving blacks deals with many of them brandishing a weapon or not following the officers instructions.

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Do explain OK, so you think blacks have gotten the same fair treatment as whites for the last several decades and nothing institutional has been going against them.

you don't know anything about me You used to be American but now Japanese You used to be in the Special Forces Retired CEO of a Global fortune 500 corporation

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What got him in that position to be tazed? The police are not going to taze you for the fun of it. If they taze you, you probably did something to deserve it.

Yeah, that's faulty logic. The police have tazed many, many people who didn't deserve it.

I think if you do as your told, listen to the officer, don't argue, follow his instructions, you'll be ok.

There is no guarantee of that.

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My sons are half-white Do you teach them that blacks have never experienced racism in the USA? Institutionally or otherwise?

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Do explain OK, so you think blacks have gotten the same fair treatment as whites for the last several decades and nothing institutional has been going against them.

I never said that.

Blacks have a store Ikelea not have gotten the same treatment as whites, but after the election of Barack Obama and over the past almost 40 years things have significantly changed in our society and blacks have the same rights as whites and can achieve goals and do anything. But as the stats show blacks are more eight times to be incarcerated, 70% of black men come from single-family homes, blacks have a higher propensity to drop out of school. And while the population is about 13% for the size in the ratio blacks have an uphill battle, not because of the skin color, but because of the circumstances that they're in a huge majority of them are involved in gangs in the urban cities, many of them believe and listen to rap music which nowadays glorifies taking on the police and glorifies taunting them. Many of them feel you're not going to take it and confronted the police large portion of them brandish weapons these are all compelling compelling reasons why many blacks seem to be, (according to them) being singled out and many of them are given the stats that are out there what I've just said. The biggest problem is, none of the black leaders as well as a president ever, ever address these issues, all they want to do is pinned it on the police were pinned it on racism without reflecting or taking a look at themselves. Race relations have not been this bad since the 1960s and Martin Luther King Junior was a uniter unlike this president who has been so divisive as well as a divider, it is comments, snide and condescending when it comes to the issue of race.

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Something like 40% of Trump supporters think Obama was born in Kenya.

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Now looking back at everything over the pas 7 years, one does wonder a bit.....

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I never said that. So there is racism and the institution has always treated blacks unfairly. And it is acknowledged they go to prison more often than whites for the same crimes. Again, the crack cocaine era was easy pickins' for the cops to up their arrest rate to get those promotion points. On the tax payers' dime since prison and police salaries and pensions are supported by such. While the white man and his powder version walked free as a bird. I understand you say it's 100% Obama's fault because he was born in Kenya. And you acknowledge because of Obama blacks are in the worst situation since slavery. Right?

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Again, the crack cocaine era was easy pickins' for the cops to up their arrest rate to get those promotion points.

No one told them to sell crack.

On the tax payers' dime since prison and police salaries and pensions are supported by such.

Garbage! My brother has been a cop for 30 years and of all places L.A., they arrested a lot of Blacks NOT because of their skin color because a large majority of them were selling crack, bangin' challenging and threatening the police.

While the white man and his powder version walked free as a bird.

One reason is the market value, compare the costs of crack vs cocaine, you can buy a rock for $5, but cocaine can go for a few hundred bucks for a single line. It's more difficult to buy and easier to hide. Crack is cheaper and anyone can sell it anywhere anytime, and most Blacks, especially in the 80's and early 90's didn't live in high affluent areas, they were on the streets, easier to spot and easier to bust, that's the reason primarily.

I understand you say it's 100% Obama's fault because he was born in Kenya.

Obama is at fault for constantly using race as a tool to drive home angst, hatred and fear. When it comes to race, he should be as neutral as possible.

And you acknowledge because of Obama blacks are in the worst situation since slavery. Right?

Since the 60's

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because of the circumstances that they're in a huge majority of them are involved in gangs in the urban cities

Yeah, right. I don't think so.

Obama is at fault for constantly using race as a tool to drive home angst, hatred and fear.

Please, show some quotes of Obama using race as a tool to drive home angst, hatred and fear.

I think that if you try to find a quote, you'll realize that the bubble has been lying to you, and he hasn't actually said anything whatsoever of the sort.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.[8] One out of nine African American men will be in prison between the ages of 20 and 34.[citation needed] Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest crime rate of any race/ethnicity gender and age combination. (According to America Community Survey.) "In 2014, 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison, compared to 2% of Hispanic and 1% of white males in the same age group."[9] "The Lifetime chances of going to prison are 32.2% for Black males and 17.2% for Latino males, while only 5.9% for White males." (Finzen 301) 1 in 3 black males will go to prison in their lifetime. ( Sentencing Project)

Sadly, facts don't lie, even if want to make them out to be something.....unicornish?

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a huge majority of them are involved in gangs

You do know what 'majority' means, right? I would have thought you do, except you just posted a bunch of stats, none of which supports your assertion.

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One reason is the market value No, it was black (Rock) vs white (powder) and for the same amount the punishment was more severe for the rock form. Your brother was just doing his job. He had no control over it and this confirm it was the institution (that your brother was a part of).

"Obama is at fault" Yes, you blame everything on him, including running away to Japan and giving up your American citizenship due to fhis tyranny. What will you do if Trump doesn't win?

Since the 60's So you are saying under Obama we will start seeing white and black restrooms again. It's all 100% Obama's fault.

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Ok, so basically, every single stat in the US is a complete lie and fabrication about Blacks because some liberals WISH it to be? Denying the facts that Blacks are killing Blacks at a much higher rate and confronting police officers and having some kind of weapon on them and getting locked up because of everything the stats say,This is why we will never have proper race relations in America, until Blacks start taking accountability and responsibility for their lives and think of themselves as victims, we will see increased shootings and more deaths.

One reason is the market value No, it was black (Rock) vs white (powder) and for the same amount the punishment was more severe for the rock form.

One reason is, crack is the residue left over from making the pure cocaine or white powder, it's dirty and way more addictive and the effects of the drug can be very devastating.

Your brother was just doing his job. He had no control over it and this confirm it was the institution (that your brother was a part of).

My brother NEVER busted anyone that was innocent because he had a stupid quota to meet or part of some conspiracy plot to arrest as many Blacks as possible, that's so absurd!

"Obama is at fault" Yes, you blame everything on him,

Not everything. I think he's a good father to his kids.

Since the 60's So you are saying under Obama we will start seeing white and black restrooms again. It's all 100% Obama's fault.

You might start seeing Watts style riots.

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Ok, so basically, every single stat in the US is a complete lie and fabrication about Blacks because some liberals WISH it to be?

How random. You made a claim, then tried to back it up with statistics that don't support the claim, and somehow you've decided that because your statistics don't support the claim you made, liberals must think every stat in the US is a lie? How did you logically come to that conclusion? Maybe if you had posted stats that had supported your claim, and I found something circumspect in them, I could see you going to the extreme of saying I don't believe any statistics, but in this case, you posted a bunch of statistics that showed your original claim was wrong, and somehow twisted that into some weird ROFLBenghaziemailLOL thing.

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And you still haven't provided a single quote where Obama has stoked the fire of bad race relations.

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My brother NEVER busted anyone that was innocent No, I'm sure he unfairly did but he had no control over it. He probably busted many more blacks for the same amount of cocaine than he did whites because it was easier and that was the political direction. It worked for cops like your brother because he could get more arrest points and get promotions faster. Higher pay and higher pension. Tax dollars at work in your brother's favor to enrich his career and life. Again, not your brother but the institution.

start taking accountability and responsibility for their lives How can they when they go to prison more frequently than whites for the same crimes. What does your brother say about that?

I think he's a good father to his kids. How can he be since he is a Liberal and Liberals do everything wrong?

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Hey, some liberals just refuse to deal with facts. A link is not necessary since liberals DON'T approve of it, it's invalid. LOL But I realize something, when liberals say a "fact is a fact," it's fact, anyone else, or a conservative it is not a fact. ROFL Too, too funny!!!

"That's just how white folks will do you. It wasn't merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn't know that they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn"

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere...That's the world! On which hope sits!"

Two so far from his majesty.

My brother NEVER busted anyone that was innocent No, I'm sure he unfairly did but he had no control over it.

No, he didn't.

He probably busted many more blacks for the same amount of cocaine than he did whites because it was easier and that was the political direction.

Actually, he busted more Whites.

It worked for cops like your brother because he could get more arrest points and get promotions faster. Higher pay and higher pension. Tax dollars at work in your brother's favor to enrich his career and life. Again, not your brother but the institution.

Not true at all.

start taking accountability and responsibility for their lives How can they when they go to prison more frequently than whites for the same crimes. What does your brother say about that?

I went on many ride alongs when I was working for NBC in Burbank in one city and from what I've seen quite often from Blacks as well as Hispanics this attitude that, I won't let a cop tell me ****! This is where the problem starts, defying authority and challenging the cop, mouthing off and not complying with the cops order will definitely get you locked up, I've seen a lot of that and less from Whites, so if you encounter a cop, best advice, shut up and do what he says, you'll have less stress in your life.

I think he's a good father to his kids. How can he be since he is a Liberal and Liberals do everything wrong?

http://www.sentencingproject.org/news/black-americans-incarcerated-five-times-white-people/

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My brother NEVER busted anyone that was innocent No, I'm sure he unfairly did but he had no control over it.

No, he didn't.

You cannot know that.

He probably busted many more blacks for the same amount of cocaine than he did whites because it was easier and that was the political direction.

Actually, he busted more Whites.

You can't know that either.

And please, where are your quotes of Obama's showing how he has stoked bad race relations?

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All readers, please focus your comments on what is in the story and not at each other.

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Back to Micah had a grudge on his shoulder and it seems that he had some association with the radical New Black Panther Party. These people are violent, they align themselves with the BLM movement another racist group and now that the president injected race into this issue once again, it seems like this is going to get worse before it gets better. These protests are growing and we don't have proper leadership. All lives matter, Blue Lives, Black Lives, ALL Lives and we shouldn't make this a Black or gun issue, it's deeper than that. Obama says, we are not really so divided,chat is this guy talking about? What Micah did was a cowardly, racist and terrorist act and for the president to try and put some rationale as to why he did what he did is totally irrelevant. 5 cops are dead.

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now that the president injected race into this issue once again

No he didn't.

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Micah had a grudge on his shoulder Anyone can and we need more gun restrictions.

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Obama has always been a divider, the first Black president that was supposed to bring the races together and 7 years on, how's that working out? Aligning himself with racists such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright and uses his executive power of institutionalized and social racism to divide this country. Race relations are at an all time and and Obama isn't going anything about it, he won't even acknowledge the out of control Black on Black crime or speak about that Blacks have a higher percentage of getting arrested.

Micah had a grudge on his shoulder Anyone can and we need more gun restrictions.

No, more like we need to re-open mental asylums and stick all these crazies in there that would be a better solution.

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No, more like we need to re-open mental asylums and stick all these crazies in there that would be a better solution.

You mean the mental asylums that closed due to Republican spending cuts?

And how exactly would re-opening them have prevented this attack?

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Trump has, on multiple occasions, retweeted information from white supremacist groups. He called a judge born in the the US a Mexican in the pejorative sense, and says that he shouldn't be allowed to judge a white man. His family company has been charged with discrimination against blacks. And we all know about his problem with women. And Muslims.

If you are voting for him, it certainly isn't because you are a champion of race or gender relations. You just want to punish minorities.

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Obama has always been a divider, the first Black president that was supposed to bring the races together and 7 years on Obama could win a third term. His approval is up.

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Having mental asylums will take the equation out of people that are mentally ill or just bat bleep crazy, the GOP or Reagan did a huge disservice by closing them and passing the mentally challenged them onto our loved ones that have to deal with the these responsibilities on an everyday schedule, of course funded privately.

Trump has, on multiple occasions, retweeted information from white supremacist groups. He called a judge born in the the US a Mexican in the pejorative sense, and says that he shouldn't be allowed to judge a white man.

He was talking about the judge, you libs are trying to interpret it as racist because he said that? Because he talked about a Judge that was appointed by Obama and who is a Democrat and a Hillary supporter and given the events we saw and the fallout of the Hillary investigation, can't blame Trump for being overly cautious, NOT saying he was right in his comments, but still understandable.

His family company has been charged with discrimination against blacks.

What came out of these law suits?

And we all know about his problem with women. And Muslims.

And Hillary has a problem with Men and Independents, so what's your point?

If you are voting for him, it certainly isn't because you are a champion of race or gender relations. You just want to punish minorities.

Because he won't legalize illegal aliens, because he'll put people to work instead of mooching off the government.

That's your opinion, if you vote for Hillary a known crook and a person that wants to keep the same policies. vote for the woman with the forked tongue. She did a bang up job in as Senator and look how the state of NY looks. She has got to be one of the laziest politicians around.

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Micah was a racist. He believed in Black Power. He deliberately targeted white officers.

Dallas cries but who will survive the next attack based in anger and firepower designed for war? Awash in guns, the very belief that the Second Amendment safe guards Freedom is a destructive and very profitable lie.

And likewise, how much terrorism will occur from radical islam before we start blaming religion? Why blame guns, blame extremists, racists, hiding behind BLM.

I'll say it again -Micah makes the Bundy Ranch guys look like Choir Boys with bb guns.

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If given access to very good weapons, anyone who knows how to use it expertly, such as military veterans, would even be more than a match outgunning police officers.

That's not the police officers' fault they suffered significant casualties.

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SuperLib: I understand the words you are saying, but I don't understand why you are saying them. We are talking about black people getting brutalized by cops. How is your response an actual response to that? Does the black community need to solve their internal problems before we can talk about the cop issue?

Well obviously the reason is because the name they go by is "Black Lives Matter". The focus on interactions with law enforcement to the exclusion of all else is to whistle past (the literal) graveyard. But even a close examination of the idea that black people are being "brutalized" by cops doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Recall the beginning of BLM and the "hands up, don't shoot" trope which was found to be false once people stopped rushing to judgment and actually looked at the facts. Examine the Washington Posts database on black shootings - looked at in context of crimes rates it proves just the opposite of what BLM stands for.

Black people are brutalizing each other and law enforcement has been thrust into the thankless role of referring the carnage. Since the 1960's, black culture has deteriorated into a rage just as the worst semblances of discrimination were being eradicated. This is no accident as black nationalists such as Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright, and yes, Barack Obama have been drumming distrust and anger into the black communities heads for generations. You could replace every white cop in America today with a black one and it would not make one difference to the problems that blacks find themselves in today.

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Below are from three different sources.

Heather Mac Donald's most recent book, "The War on Cops," points out some devastating and sobering statistics: "Blacks were charged with 62 percent of all robberies, 57 percent of all murders, and 45 percent of all assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, while constituting roughly 15 percent of the population in those counties. From 2005 to 2014, 40 percent of cop-killers were black. Given the racially lopsided nature of gun violence, a 26 percent rate of black victimization by the police is not evidence of bias."

From a different source. Police Shootings

One of the main arguments behind the Black Lives Matter movement is that blacks are being slaughtered at the hands of police. The wife of Philando Castile, a Minnesota man who was shot during a traffic stop last week, said, “It’s just like we’re animals. It’s basically modern-day lynching.”

The Washington Post’s database of police shootings in 2015 will be used for the purpose of this section.

The numbers show that black people are more likely than others to be the victim of a fatal police shooting. But a deeper look at the individual incidents shows that they were not primarily of defenseless people.

Of the 990 people shot fatally by police in 2015, 49.8 percent were white, 26 percent black, 17.3 percent were Hispanic, and 6 percent were other or unknown.

Of the 990 shooting deaths, 73.7 percent were made during an “attack in progress.” This would include a shootout, charging with a knife or a physical struggle. The Washington Post also has a category called “other,” 216 total, which consists of 21.8 percent of fatal shootings.

While this includes incidents of unarmed six-year-old children getting caught in the crossfire of bullets, it also includes the shootings of people driving their cars toward police officers, which would seem more appropriately described as an “attack in progress.”

There is also a category called “undetermined,” 44 people, which includes two people who were in shootouts with police.

Of the 260 “other” and “undetermined” victims of police shootings, 212, 81.5 percent, were either brandishing a weapon, had attacked a police officers or were charging at them, were ramming, or had rammed them with a car.

Gun ownership and crime

A Congressional Research Service (CRS) report shows that while gun ownership climbed from 192 million firearms in 1994 to 310 million firearms in 2009, crime fell–and fell sharply. According to the report, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate was 6.6 per 100,000 Americans in 1993. Following the exponential growth in the number of guns, that rate fell to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000.

This rate rose from 2004 to 2005 and got as high as 3.9 in 2006 and 2007, but it then resumed falling in 2008, the year the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that individual firearm possession is Constitutionally protected–particularly for self-defense. This figure fell to 3.2 per 100,000 by 2011.

In other words, as the number of firearms almost doubled over a nearly 20-year period, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate was more than halved.

Additionally, the overall murder rate dropped from 9.0 per 100,000 in 1994 to 4.7 in 2011. The overall number of estimated murder victims fell from 23,326 in 1994 to 14,612 in 2011. For estimated firearms-related murder victims, those numbers are 16,333 in 1994 and 9,903 in 2011.

The firearm category that led the way from 1994 through 2009 was handguns. And these were “mostly pistols, revolvers, and derringers,” the most concealable types of guns.

So after after all the pro-gun control grandstanding and the relentless focus on how the so-called easy availability of guns drives up crime, the CRS report shows that more guns–especially more concealable guns–has actually correlated with less crime.

Oh, and at least one of the shooters was a member of the New Black Panthers.

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