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By MARY CLARE JALONICK, MATTHEW DALY and JONATHAN LEMIRE WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Chip Star
The courts have made clear that impeachment is a political question, which means the courts will should stay out of it.
The constitution clear gives sole power of impeachment to the House, which means the House sets the rules, not the president. Pelosi is leader of the House, so she and the Dems sets the rules. You know, like Moscow Mitch and the repubs in the Senate.
stormcrow
Donald Trump is just like a villainous & bizarre character straight out of a Stephen King novel.
PTownsend
The question has to be asked: Are Trump's ongoing attempts to furher undermine US systems his doing and his alone? My sense is he's too incompetent to do the damage he's been doing to the republic without significant help from many others in the US and around the globe. (CT#xfile)
Given he's got lifelong deep swampmen like Barr backing him up, it stands to reason that the deep swamp is helping Trump.
Given Trump's got global oligarchs backing him up and meddling in US politics, it stands to reason that they, too are backing him up.
Given Trump’s making the defense industries even more profitable, along with big energy, it stands to reason that they, too are backing him up. Both also getting increased federal subsidies. (aka socialism for the rich)
And given Trump’s making Wall Street and global big finance even richer, it stands to reason that they, too are backing him up.
No wonder Trump has so much free time to play golf, tweet, and look after his own businesses. He’s got all the global powers doing the heavy lifting for him. #butyouguys #backatcha
SuperLib
It's what any criminal would do.
BertieWooster
The really great thing about the Magna Carta was, for the first time in history, that it made one law for everybody. Kings, queens and emperors prior to this were above the law and could do as they pleased. Since then, the leaders of democratic countries are subject to the same laws as everybody else.
Looks like Trump is about to find this out.
PTownsend
And that's why Trump, McConnell etal are trying to stack courts to get judges who'll support the most powerful in their quest to establish corporatist authoritarianism. (Think the movie 'Rollerball', esp the James Caan version)
The ruling class say 'laws are for peasants'. hee hee
plasticmonkey
Trump clearly has something to hide.
What's most astounding is how Trump's cult followers continue to defend him. He'd throw them under the bus in a flash.
Tokyo-Engr
Too bad they could not have ousted Trump a week ago. Turkey is now rolling ground troops into Syria. Trump's true "crime" is the damage he has done to global affairs. I think he should be impeached. Afterwards they should also steadfastly investigate what was going on with Biden as well. As I said before; Trump was right about DC being a swamp and now every day Trump is looking more and more like one of the most vile creatures in that swamp.
semperfi
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Not a Trump fan. Find his radical,impetuous, not thought-though mercurial policies very worrying.especially with regard to his foreign policy..
But I'll bet he'll swim into the next election - and this obsession to bring Trump down will backfire on detractors.
Ah_so
Trump is clinging to office by his tiny little hands.
Time someone stamped on then.
Velius
No, this isn’t some normal strategy and don’t make it sound like it! Rather than “just-say-no”, say it like it is: refusal to provide evidence! If Trump were innocent he could just release the full unedited transcripts, allow his people to be interviewed without qualms. Heck he would even have released his tax returns. His dogged refusal speaks volumes. Guilty, guilty, guilty!
u_s__reamer
The trouble with Trump, evident to all but admiring fashionistas of the "Emperor's New Clothes", is that he is simply unqualified for the job, way out of his depth and, in his few lucid moments, he himself knows it. Much of what he says and does might be attributed to his visible affliction, commonly known as the "Imposter Syndrome" which has manifested itself as a pathological narcissism while from his public behavior psychologists would diagnose him as a text-book case of the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
Simply stated, Trump does not know and cannot learn how to be a POTUS. Although intellectual brilliance has rarely been a quality displayed presidents, the learning curve for an elderly person of no previous experience and impaired brain function has proven to have been too steep. It has not helped that Trump cannot read, write (or tweet) and is a poor public speaker. His charisma at his rabble-rousing rallies comes merely from his bulk and bluster and his ability to push the buttons of his emotionally needy and intellectually naive fans in search of a "father figure" to "make them feel loved again" (what the cold, patrician Clinton was incapable of doing).
All this would explain why he is now going down under the dark cloud of an impeachment. A man without any experience in government or politics who had previously lived the sordid life of a mafioso-lite wheeler-dealer and who, as POTUS, swore an oath to defend and uphold the principles of a document he had never read or understood was bound to be brought down by hubris. He doesn't seem to realize that by stonewalling and refusing to cooperate with the requests of Congress he is bringing additional charges of "obstruction of justice" down on his head, just as Nixon did. So if the debacle of his presidency ends in an impeachment, Trump will be glad to have been relieved of a job he was incapable of doing and which he never really wanted in the first place. The mess he will leave behind and the damage done will be a sobering chapter in the history of the Republic.
Blacklabel
We’ve seen this before. If you attempt to defend yourself in any way from unproven charges, it’s “obstruction”. If you get angry or speak out, you are “guilty”. If you ask why it was ok when your predecessor did the same thing or worse it’s “whataboutism”.
Serrano
Defying impeachment inquiry, Trump makes charge more certain
Genius. To have the House vote to impeach, which is unpopular, especially among tax paying Americans, will just make the 2020 landslide even bigger.
Democrat corruption needs to be investigated and arrests need to be made.
Blacklabel
So what would actual innocent people do? Trump gave a transcript of the call as requested. Adam schiff proceeds to pretend to read from a piece of paper with a made up version of what was said, you can be innocent all day but if people are allowed to lie and conspire what can you do?
Blacklabel
Whistleblower complaints are not multi page documents written by partisan actors in legal terms with an Appendix.
SuperLib
Hillary testified in front of the House GOP for 11 hours.
Blacklabel
Also very Easy to testify when you have the President, DOJ and FBI already publicly commenting in advance that you did nothing wrong in their eyes.
so you really want to set the precedent that the President testifies before partisan members of Congress including all the Dem 2020 candidates?
TheLongTermer
But we already knew he was inexperienced with government. People like you and the MSM talk to us like we are stupid. We already knew his character; we wanted a change. I personally dont think Trumps transgressions are that big a deal, and that all government people are eventually corrupted, its just with Trump, what you see what you get.
He will most likely get impeached, but will the Senate convict? Im liking what I see with the Repubs closing ranks.
So let me ask you, if Trump is removed, all the good things he has done, what are you going to replace that with?
TheLongTermer
The problem I have with Trump, and its due to his lack of government experience, is that he does not listen to expert advice, and he is surrounded by yes men. I like much of what he does, domestically. But his foreign policy, kind of agree / disagree. He should of had a more diverse team. The people around him, are probably scared of him. They also like these once in a lifetime policy changes, but cant persuade him on other issues, that have serious affects. He got to learn to balance it. us_reamer makes good points, but Im not willing to throw Trump out yet. I just cant imagine one of these Dem loons in charge, thats very scary.
lincolnman
BINGO! And this majority will only increase as more and more revelations of Donnie's corruption and inept cover-up are brought out for all to see.
He'll take the Repub brand down the toilet for the next 50 years.
And Go Crazy Rudy! You're doing more to take Trump down than Schiff or Pelosi...
SuperLib
From FoxNews.com:
Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment
"Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans, and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10)."
Wow on the last part. Never thought I'd see that.
SuperLib
Good thing we have Trump's transcripts.
TheLongTermer
all of that recent support for impeachment is due to the MSM 24/7 coverage and bias against him. This is taking its toll on everybody.
I never take what they say as gospel; I step back and look at all of it. I still dont see enough for impeachment. He just dont think because he has no government experience. Government work is not to be productive, its all political.
I really am disgusted by the MSM dismissal of Bidens corruption however.
lincolnman
Newsflash - the whistle blower was told to contact a lawyer and then go to the IG to file a report if that's what they desired...
PTownsend
All corruption should be investigated, regardless party, regardless who's in power. The DC swamp needs to be drained.
PTownsend
I just did a quick Google search for biden corruption, clicked News, and found 14,400,000 hits. No doubt posters who actually wanted to find articles that support their position could easily be able to do so. Unless they just want to cavil.
https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+corruption&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6mOX1vpDlAhVNMd4KHTvOBcYQ_AUIEigB&biw=1164&bih=537
dmacleod
What corruption? Please tell us what was exactly the Bidens did. What investigation are you referring to that have identified actual corruption?
Perhaps the reason that the MSM dismissed whatever you are looking for is because it never existed in the first place.
Chip Star
No, it's obstruction when you try to get witnesses not to testify or try to get the investigator fired.
No. Playing the victim card, I see.
It is a whataboutism, which is a bad faith argument.
This inaccuracy again? We've been over this; it was an incomplete summary. Either way, it demonstrates Donny was going for a quid pro quo.
Chip Star
You do realize that every member of congress is partisan, correct? It's why they are a member of a party.
If a president is suspected of committing a crime and there is potential evidence, then yes, I'm okay with this "precedent."
Strangerland
So, ignorance of the law excuses one of culpability for illegal actions?
Strangerland
It is when you obstruct the investigation. Are you saying that obstructing investigations should not be illegal?
No... that's not how it works. To be guilty a judge, jury, or congress have to find you guilty.
Yep. Because it has no bearing on this guy's guilt. That's a different conversation.
Or you could keep on going on with whataboutism. And we can keep mocking your team for it.
NCIS Reruns
Or a Batman comic.
TheLongTermer
No its because of the obvious media favoritism towards Biden and his son.
dmacleod
No, it's because the media has better things to do than to indulge Trump and his supporters with their feeble attempt at smearing someone without actual evidence. Most also realize that these baseless accusations are nothing more than a distraction by Trump to take the spotlight off of his impeachment problems.
Peter Neil
Trump knows the House will vote to impeach, and they will have to comply with providing documents and people with subpoenas will have to appear.
He's just stalling to coordinate with McConnell to be sure any of the majority Republican senators on the fence are taken care of through appropriations, subsidies and grants to their states. The senate will never vote to remove from office.
However, I believe the Supreme Court will be called to rule on the question of presidential immunity to criminal prosecution. There is nothing in The Constitution granting such immunity, so I believe the White House will lose on the claim the are making. There is simply no Constitutional or legislated rule of law stating this.
How can anyone be immune from prosecution for a criminal act? Now, the Justice Department, run y the executive branch (Trump) may choose not to prosecute.
I think the court of public opinion will be ruling against Trump by then, so he will be removed from office by electoral defeat or resignation to save face. If he resigns, he can be pardoned by Pence, then whine and complain and tweet forever.
dmacleod
We are also seeing the same exact denials by members of Cult 45 regarding credible evidence against Trump and his corrupt administration.
What does that mean in English?
dmacleod
"The notion that you can withhold information and documents from Congress no matter whether you are the party in power or not in power is wrong. Respect for the rule of law must mean something, irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles." - Trey Gowdy, R – South Carolina, 2012
bass4funk
But that’s what Democrats are doing now? They’re not allowing the Republicans to see any documents, won’t let them call witnesses, that’s wrong as well.
Yes and now that’s he’s been hired by the WH he’s going to make sure they legally do that.
dmacleod
Really? How about some examples--you know, like not letting someone testify or something like that, or maybe refusing to handover documents from a secret server that really don't belong there? That kind of stuff?
Yep, can't wait! Let's see how much Trey makes Trump hand over everything that the committees have been asking for.
bass4funk
Oh, please! Hillary didn’t turn over 33,000 emails that somehow mysteriously disappeared. Or how about last year when the Democrats refused, flat out refused to let Nunes and Gowdy to view documents on Trump spying.
dmacleod
Off the topic. This is about Trump and his potential impeachment proceedings.
dmacleod
"No president can be allowed to subvert the judiciary or thwart the investigative responsibility of the legislature," Roy Blunt, R – Missouri, 1998
PTownsend
Example?
dmacleod
"Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." Lindsey Graham – R, North Carolina, 1998.
bass4funk
Don’t forget to add Trey Gowdy to that list.
Why? Why is it for example Democrats don’t want to give the President equal and fair justice under the law which he is guaranteed as an American, but want to block Republicans from seeing any documents on Biden or Hunter as it relates to Ukraine?
Odd......
Blacklabel
Told by whom and why? The whistleblower process is clearly spelled out and doesn’t say to contact your local democratic committee as the first step.
its also supposed to be your complaint, not your lawyer’s. Yeah sure “if desired”....I’m quite sure they were encouraged at a minimum. Cause somehow Schiff knew for certain it was coming.
Concerned Citizen
Unemployment rate, particularly among minorities, at historical lows, and the Democratic Party wants to impeach the president whose policies made this possible? Show that the Democrat leadership doesn't really care about the welfare of the people, but rather only about obtaining power.
Many Republican members are not much better, but at least Trump is in it for the people and delivering on his promises. Drain the Dem and Republican swamp Mr. President.
The impeachment drive will backfire spectacularly.
bass4funk
Please tell that to Nadler, Pelosi and Schiff! Apparently, they forgot that crucial point.
dmacleod
The impeachment hearings are based on the whistleblower report. Biden and Hunter aren't in it.
Baseless allegations from conspiracy theories are not part of the impeachment hearings. Now, before you try to twist this by saying, "but that's what the Democrats are doing," try to remember that the Democrats are simply trying to follow up on a report submitted to them by a Trump-appointed IG named Michael Atkinson who deemed the complaint by the whistleblower as being credible. Therefore, by law, Congress must investigate.
Republicans are free to demand an inquiry into Biden if they have actual proof (which the do not), so when the FBI determines that there has been actual wrongdoing, they can have at it. Until then, this whole Biden smokescreen is nothing but a pathetic distraction.bass4funk
Yes, but Congress can walk and chew gum at the same time...at least that’s the hope, so the Dems will carry on with their flimsy hoax and the GOP, Barr and Durham who by the way just broadened his team and expanded his search as to the Dems corruption on the Russian and Ukraine scandal.
But they are, we don’t need to go further because if the Dems had a real solid case they would bring it to the floor for a vote and they’re not doing that. And why? Because they know they’d be in a political pickle.
Enter Barr and Trey Gowdy as well Durham. They’ll get it and please don’t come at me with the FBI. I wouldn’t trust them with a bad of dog food. Don’t know about you, if I were accused of something I believe I didn’t do I would fight to clear my name and yet, Hunter is nowhere to be found.
Odd......
dmacleod
Severe logic flaws here:
So, just because you believe that a President has achieved something positive, it's OK for him to break laws.
I've asked for specific policies that make all of these so-called wonderful achievements possible, but I've never gotten any--and don't bother, it's off the topic.
The Democrats are upholding the oath that the took to protect the Constitution. They received a credible complaint about criminal wrongdoing by the President, but since they are investigating this, they are actually just wanting to grab power, right?No, Trump is in it for himself by using the office of the presidency to enrich himself, his family, and his business buddies. As far as promises go, we have no new healthcare plan, no wall, no term limits, and many other things that he vowed during his candidacy--and I don't want to hear about the supposed "200 or so Accomplishments" because that's a bunch of bull, too.
Only for those Republican Senators who willfully ignore hard evidence. Think back to 1974 and see just how fast some of them changed their mind after United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) was decided.
bass4funk
No, in fact, I would submit to you I am not ok with the Democrats breaking the law, circumventing the political process and trying to impeach the President on something as weak as this accusation.
I did. Just take a look at the Mueller hoax probe where Republicans we’re constantly denied to look at evidence or that a lot of it was highly redacted. Anyway, it all blew up in their faces and rightly so, but they still want to get punched again....ok....
If they did they would give the President the right to face his accuser, oversee documents, take this to a vote and allow him and the GOP to call witnesses and cross examine them, but they won’t do that. Now when it was the opposite, Democrats went nuts calling foul to the impeachment of their then savior.
Ahhh, like Biden and his son, gotcha.....
dmacleod
The only "flimsy hoax" here is Barr abusing his authority and wasting taxpayers' money by flying around the planet and trying to get Russia off the hook for their interference in the 2016 election. He is essentially trying to undermine what the intelligence agencies and the Mueller Report showed. It won't work. The only people who buy into all of this nonsense of his are the hard-core Trump loyalists.
Nope, and I went over all of this in great detail yesterday, but since you just want to be stubborn and keep repeating the false notion that some kind of floor vote is needed before impeachment investigations begin, then so be it.
Too bad then since the FBI is the only agency that can do an actual criminal investigation here.
That describes the entire Trump defense so far.
Strangerland
It’s weird that the pubs think the democrats should investigate their weird witch-hunt conspiracy theory about Biden.
lincolnman
A Whistle Blower comes forward with a complaint that says Trump tried to shakedown the Ukraine President with a quid-pro-quo to get dirt on Biden....Trump and Trumpers allege its all bogus, fabricated, and untrue...
Then Trump's genius lawyer tell him to release the transcript of the phone call which then proves and substantiates everything the Whistler Blower details in the complaint - to include the smoking gun; "I would like you to do us a favor THOUGH"...
Then a second Whistle Blower comes forward to say the exact same thing as the first...
Then we find out that associates of Trump and Giuliani were in Ukraine buying off directors of the State Gas Company, to steer contracts to Trump businesses....
Then the inept cover-up of all Trump's Ukrainian corruption starts to unravel...
Is it any surprise Americans support impeachment 51% to 40%? And from a Fox News poll yet...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment
And because he knows he's guilty, Trump now does his best Nixon impression and tries the stall tactic.
It didn't work for Nixon and it won't work for Mr QPQ...
dmacleod
The Democrats have done none of these things, and you don't have one shred of evidence other than pure rhetoric to "support" your weak-sauce counter-arguments.
The fact that you still label the Mueller Report a "hoax" does nothing for your credibility. Republicans were not denied evidence since the Democrats didn't do any of the redacting--Barr did--take that up with him.
Only in a court of law. You really don't understand how these impeachment things work, do you?
Zero evidence of this, but please provide it if you have it.
Strangerland
By which law are illegal actions excused due to a good economy? And is this a blanket rule, where any crime is excused, even rape and murder? I’m not clear on the details of excusing illegal actions for a good economy so it would be nice if someone could explain this clearly.
bass4funk
Well, that’s the same argument conservatives have about the Russian witch hoax, if Dems aren’t worried then why are they complaining? If they were so innocent they wouldn’t be worried about Barr and Durham.
Yes. So did I.
And too bad, the Dems can’t remove the President. McConnell will see to that. Thank the lord for the Senate.
bass4funk
They’ve done far worse.
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Not mine, but Mueller’s is shattered, completely.
I do, please tell that to Nancy and have her take a vote!
This is what we are asking for this impeachment hoax and still nothing.
dmacleod
Barr and Durham will be facing their own problems very soon--especially Barr. Remember a guy named John Mitchell? That's where Barr is headed.
And you failed to make your point in a convincing manner, especially when I asked you cite the specific place in the Constitution where it says that a vote on the floor must be taken before an inquiry is done. I'm still waiting.
Really? How? What can he do?
Let's see if you feel that way after they start doing what their predecessors did back in 1974.
bass4funk
Yeah, I’ll believe that when ever Democrats becomes a Catholic. If that happens, I’ll owe you an apology.
And you failed to make your point, but I will say this, if the Dems don’t want to give due process to the executive branch, they can tell the legislation to kiss off and then take it to the Judicial Branch and let them sort it out. Done.
dmacleod
Excellent. Then I have you on record for that.
Really? How so? Tell me how I failed when I quoted directly from the Constitution. I gave a specific section that was very clear. Please, go back to Article 1 of the Constitution and tell us the exact place where it says that a floor vote must be done before an impeachment inquiry is done. It's a simple request, and you should be able to show me so I can update my copy (and I will even use a Sharpie).
They are. They are following up on the whistleblower's complaints by trying to hold hearings so that the allegations can be either verified or shown to be false. Unfortunately, they can't do it because President "Phone Spurs" refuses to provide any evidence on his part showing his innocence.
I hope it does. Then we can get United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 -- 2019 Version and watch the Republican Senators jump off the sinking ship before they are forced to go on the record should the impreachment trial go to the Senate.
Yep, Trump and his henchmen will be.