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Democratic 2020 contenders slam Trump for spreading Epstein conspiracy theories

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By John Whitesides

Democratic presidential contenders Beto O'Rourke and Cory Booker slammed U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday for promoting unfounded conspiracy theories about the apparent suicide of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein in his New York jail cell.

After the death on Saturday of Epstein, a millionaire charged with sex trafficking who once counted Trump and former President Bill Clinton as friends, Trump retweeted a baseless claim from a conservative comedian that Clinton was involved in the death.

"This is another example of our president using this position of public trust to attack his political enemies with unfounded conspiracy theories," O'Rourke, a former congressman from Texas, said on CNN's State of the Union.

O'Rourke said Trump was trying to shift the public's focus away from last weekend's two deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, which have led to new calls for gun restrictions and criticism of Trump's divisive anti-immigrant and racially charged rhetoric.

"He's changing the conversation, and if we allow him to do that then we will never be able to focus on the true problems, of which he is a part," O'Rourke said from his hometown of El Paso.

Booker, a U.S. senator from New Jersey, said Trump's retweet was "just more recklessness."

"He is giving life to not just conspiracy theories but really whipping people up into anger and worse against different people in this country," he said on CNN.

The FBI and the Department of Justice's Inspector General have opened investigations into the death of Epstein, who a source said had been taken off suicide watch. Last month, Epstein was found unconscious on the floor of his jail cell with marks on his neck, and officials were investigating that incident as a possible suicide or assault.

U.S. Attorney General William Barr said he was "appalled" to learn of the apparent suicide in federal custody. "Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered," Barr said in a statement on Saturday.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic congresswoman from New York City and a leading progressive voice, tweeted: "We need answers. Lots of them."

White House senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said investigation of Epstein should continue despite his death.

"Jeffrey Epstein has done some very bad things over a number of years, so let's continue to investigate that," she said on Fox News Sunday. "I don't think that somebody's crimes and the accountability for that necessarily perish with them."

More than a decade ago, Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida to state charges of solicitation of prostitution from a minor in a deal with prosecutors that has been widely criticized as too lenient.

Then in July, Epstein was indicted, federal prosecutors in New York accusing him of knowingly recruiting underage women to engage in sex acts with him, sometimes over a period of years while paying the women for each encounter. He pleaded not guilty.

O'Rourke and Booker are among two dozen candidates seeking the Democratic nomination to challenge Republican Trump for the White House in 2020. Nearly all of those Democrats have condemned Trump's incendiary rhetoric for inflaming racial tensions and anger.

"We've seen people's lives being threatened because this president whips up hatred. This is a very dangerous president that we have now," Booker said.

Trump had retweeted on Saturday a message from conservative comedian and commentator Terrence K. Williams, who said in part that Epstein "had information on Bill Clinton & now he's dead."

Clinton spokesman Angel Urena blasted Trump for making the suggestion. "Ridiculous, and of course not true - and Donald Trump knows it. Has he triggered the 25th Amendment yet?" he said, referring to the procedures for replacing the president in event of removal or incapacitation.

Trump has a history of promoting conspiracy theories about political rivals. Even before he was a presidential candidate, Trump repeatedly questioned whether former President Barack Obama was born in the United States, even after Obama produced a birth certificate proving that he was.

During the Republican presidential nomination race in 2016, Trump spread an unfounded conspiracy theory linking the father of rival U.S. Senator Ted Cruz to the assassination of former President John Kennedy, a claim Cruz denounced as a lie.

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Their lack of critical thinking is astonishing. The socialists in America have a child-like superficial thinking. They never go any deeper than the surface.

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It's astounding how the far right will continue to promote their allegations without any evidence. And it's not like they even care about the victims. It's all about the my team versus your team mentality.

"Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered," Barr said in a statement on Saturday.

They certainly do.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic congresswoman from New York City and a leading progressive voice, tweeted: "We need answers. Lots of them."

We certainly do.

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After the death on Saturday of Epstein, a millionaire charged with sex trafficking who once counted Trump and former President Bill Clinton as friends, Trump retweeted a baseless claim from a conservative comedian that Clinton was involved in the death.

Bill Clinton has not made comments about Epstein's predilection towards young girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton is not currently president. Donald Trump is. 

Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary did not help Epstein dodge prosecution for child sex crimes. Donald Trump's did. 

Bill Clinton has not been accused of raping young girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton has not expressed interest in dating 10-year-old girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton would be thrown to the wolves by Democrats if credible evidence was provided that he took part in any of Epstein’s crimes. Donald Trump’s supporters will call it “fake news” if Trump is proven to be involved.
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During the Republican presidential nomination race in 2016, Trump spread an unfounded conspiracy theory linking the father of rival U.S. Senator Ted Cruz to the assassination of former President John Kennedy, a claim Cruz denounced as a lie.

Playing to his base. What's remarkable is, no Trump supporter called this bs for what it was.

I guarantee you. Not one.

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More likely that Trump would want Epstein out of the picture because of what Epstein knew of Trump's sleazy ways.

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Bill Clinton has not made comments about Epstein's predilection towards young girls. Donald Trump has. 

But the media accused Trump of being the case for the El Paso shooting without a single shred of evidence.

Bill Clinton is not currently president. Donald Trump is. 

And since we are talking about Epstein why is it the media won’t focus on the very, very close relationship between Epstein and Clinton? 27 times and for long periods of time on his Island and not one single media wants to focus on that, but want to focus on the 4 times Epstein was with Trump, but again refuses to focus on Trump throwing him out of a party for....inappropriately foundling a woman? Partisan? Naw!

Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary did not help Epstein dodge prosecution for child sex crimes. Donald Trump's did. 

No, Bill Clinton did far worse.

Bill Clinton has not been accused of raping young girls. Donald Trump has. 

No, he was accused of raping Junta Broderick.

Bill Clinton has not expressed interest in dating 10-year-old girls. Donald Trump has. 

No, Bill Clinton was on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” more than 27 times and everyone knew what Epstein was about and what he did, even when they go to his Island, Clinton asked his security staff to stay behind.

Bill Clinton would be thrown to the wolves by Democrats if credible evidence was provided

There was and he was always protected, always. Ask Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick and No one believed them, No one, despite the evidence.

Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.

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But the media accused Trump of being the case for the El Paso shooting without a single shred of evidence.

There's a correlation between denigrating migrants, calling them an "invasion" and using racist tropes like "infestations", telling people of color to "go back to where they came from".

Only a massive blinkered bigot would claim otherwise.

Why do such people support the racist sexual predator, Donald Trump?

Why can they not bring themselves to denounce the man?

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“Last month, Epstein was found unconscious on the floor of his jail cell with marks on his neck, and officials were investigating that incident as a possible suicide or assault.”

That’s the one he survived isn’t it? The possible suicide attempt.

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Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.

As I've said many times, Bill Clinton is a lair and a pervert - but compared to Donnie he looks like a choir boy,

And he happens to be the only President post WW II with the largest growth in our GDP and a balanced budget (and surplus). I'm sure the Repubs here can't remember what a balanced budget is but it used to be a core Repub value...

My view is Donnie, Billie, and Jeffie probably had lots of parties together with young girls...

But note this was highlighted in the evidence release this week;

https://www.facebook.com/DJT4P/photos/a.229005344277164/646191355891892/?type=3&theater

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Bill Clinton would be thrown to the wolves by Democrats if credible evidence was provided that he took part in any of Epstein’s crimes.

Thats a pretty funny joke. Dems believed every single one of Bills denials right up until Hillary lost the 2016 election. Then with the Clintons no longer able to help the team the #MeToo movement sprung up and even then only a few Dems were able to bring themselves to admit he preyed on his female subordinates. Remember the whole workplace power differential thing was a big feminist calling card all the way up until Monica?

I don’t like Trumps trafficking in conspiracy theories but given Bill’s past rape and sexual assault allegations, his perjury to the FBI over his sexual dalliances, and the fact that he has travelled on Epstein’s private plane more than 20 times, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility. And given the fact that modern American politics deals in innuendo constantly (see the unsupported Russia hoax and the ridiculous claims that Trump is a white supremacist) it’s fair game.

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There's a correlation between denigrating migrants, calling them an "invasion"

Apprehending close to 5,000 in the month of July, what would you call it? I call it Definitely an invasion, it’s not a picnic and it’s not an invitation. It is exactly as described.

and using racist tropes like "infestations",

How is that racist? Granted, liberals will make every word sound racist, but Investition? Come on. Lol

telling people of color to "go back to where they came from".

I'm sorry, so where was the racist attack, specifically, where did he imply race, color, sex or religion?

Only a massive blinkered bigot would claim otherwise.

No, only emotion driving liberals with an axe to grind and nothing to fall back on would make comical accusations like that.

Why do such people support the racist sexual predator, Donald Trump?

I would never support anyone that’s a racist, that’s why I would never vote for these Democrats.

Why can they not bring themselves to denounce the man?

Why can’t liberals open their eyes and denounce the lies and deceptions of each of these candidates that they will change their color and stripes in order to get a win? Fake all day, they want power, but none of the responsibilities that come with it.

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Democrats and the Liberal press are to be feared not the President.

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Apprehending close to 5,000 in the month of July, what would you call it? I call it Definitely an invasion, it’s not a picnic and it’s not an invitation. It is exactly as described.

It's the language of despots and bigots. Which you chose to defend and perpetuate. Your choice but please don't pretend you don't know or comprehend its etymology and implications.

How is that racist? Granted, liberals will make every word sound racist, but Investition? Come on. Lol

Again, you have to understand where the word comes from, it's historical context and to which demographic it's used to target. And it's infestation, not Investition.

I'm sorry, so where was the racist attack, specifically, where did he imply race, color, sex or religion?

He said it to 4 women of color. It's one of the oldest tropes used against people who aren't white.

It's never used against white people.

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Toasted: Why can they not bring themselves to denounce the man?

It’s tribalism I suppose. Why do you think Dems supported Obama after knowing he sat in a racist church for 17 years and made friends with and had his picture taken with the well known anti-Semite and racist Lois Farrakhan? Oh and Al Sharpton too.

I did not vote for Trump in 2016 because I thought, and still believe, that he is a clown. It’s amusing though to read about people who supported a racist politician come out and complain about others supporting a politician they consider to be a racist. I know - only other people are bad - my sides all good.

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No, only emotion driving liberals with an axe to grind and nothing to fall back on would make comical accusations like that.

Only white supremacists, ignorant of history, common sense, context, irony and general education would make counter accusations like that.

I would never support anyone that’s a racist, that’s why I would never vote for these Democrats.

Typical tactic of the far right, project their own shortcomings onto the opponent. Schoolyard stuff.

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Why can’t liberals open their eyes and denounce the lies and deceptions of each of these candidates

Why can't white supremacists denounce the racism of Trump?

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Democrats and the Liberal press are to be feared not the President.

Neither of which have advocated violence against their opponents. It's all a bit like Russia, when you think about it.

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Democrats and the Liberal press are to be feared not the President.

Liberal Press - as in any media outlet that is not Fox, INFOWARs, Breitbart, Russia Today, or Sputnik...

I would never support anyone that’s a racist, that’s why I would never vote for these Democrats.

That makes about as much sense as; "I would never vote for a self-admitted pervert, one who cavorts with porn stars, who has bankrupted six companies and lost over $1 billion, and said some white supremacists and Neo Nazis are "very fine people" - that's why I'm voting for Trump...'

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FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=tw

The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs.

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Long overdue.

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There was and he was always protected, always. Ask Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick and No one believed them, No one, despite the evidence.

Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.

Why can't the Trumpets accept the fact that they're excusing a fascist criminal? As for Bill Clinton - he's a cheat, a cad, a liar, a gigolo but if a woman doesn't say 'yes' to him he'll go find one who will. Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick are willing idiots - not victims and they certainly were of the age of consent at the time.

But Bill Clinton never denigrated women by body-shaming, bragged about assaulting them like some juvenile, never talked racist talk, didn't talk hatred like an uncouth brat. He didn't kidnap ethnic children and place them in concentration camps - he actually forcefully stopped Milosevic's practice of that in Bosnia.

Trump is spreading lies again like a loudmouth foulmouthed brat kid because he is one. Everything he says is a lie. He can't be trusted for anything! So why believe him now?

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How dare he change the conversation away from what happened last week to what happened this week.

Guess it’s not a “true problem” for Beto that Epstein is dead and we don’t know how or why.

He's changing the conversation, and if we allow him to do that then we will never be able to focus on the true problems, of which he is a part,"

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Whatever your political views, decent people should agree that the President of the US shouldn’t be dealing in conspiracy theories.

It’s just trash.

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Liberals just mad that Baltimore and ark Paso out of the news cycle and you are desperate to bring it back. Ok, the latest:

Al Sharpton gets heckled in Baltimore by fed-up resident.

"You go back to New York! Our schools are failing us… You’re just a hustler! Go back where you came from!"

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Trumptreason is trying to cover his hide. Hatred, mass murders, his encourage of violence, corruption, ethnic cleansing, Trump is now trying to shift the blame for his crimes!

Bill Clinton is no angel but he never committed the gross crimes on the level that Donald Trump has!

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And once more the hypocrisy overflows from the Trumpers here....

When confronted with Donnie's many sexual escapades and other embarrassments, they always fall back on; "but the economy is doing great"....

Yet they drag up Clinton's name any chance they can - even when Clinton's economic record makes Trump's look like the Great Depression...

President Clinton oversaw a very robust economy with strong economic growth (around 4% annually) and record job creation (22.7 million). He also had budget surpluses in 1998, 1999, and 2000.

What is Trump's expected surplus? Oh that's right, he's presided over the largest deficit in our history...a record $22 trillion...

So why the hypocrisy Trumpers?

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Hypocrisy is trying to act like Trump was responsible for all 22 trillion of that. Be honest sometimes. How much of that total belongs to Barack Obama again? 40%?

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It's the language of despots and bigots.

So liberals constantly claim, I guess...

Which you chose to defend and perpetuate.

No, I would never defend any racist, I dealt with racists and I know exactly what these scum are like.

Again, you have to understand where the word comes from,

I know and do understand

it's historical context and to which demographic it's used to target.

That’s how you want to see it. I don’t.

He said it to 4 women of color.

Doesn’t make it racist. He attacked 16 Republican candidates in the worst way, by your logic, he’s equally racist towards Whites.

It's one of the oldest tropes used against people who aren't white. 

You make a racial issue about anything if you want, we call that “political correctness.”

It's never used against white people.

Only Liberals TRY to find a racist trope in it.

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Trump had retweeted on Saturday a message from conservative comedian and commentator Terrence K. Williams, who said in part that Epstein "had information on Bill Clinton & now he's dead."

Didn't Trump spread that nutjob conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't born here?

Bass: the media won’t focus on the very, very close relationship between Epstein and Clinton?

Didn't you spread that nutjob conspiracy theory that the Clintons had billions of dollars secretly stashed away in foreign banks?

Blacklabel: Epstein is dead and we don’t know how or why.

Didn't you spread that nutjob conspiracy theory about Seth Rich? They traced that back to a Russian troll farm, ya know. Looks like you got duped pretty bad on that one.

Lack of credibility is a very real thing for conspiracy theorists. Their opinions should be discounted because they lack the ability to tell fact from fiction.

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Trumps tweets keeps things in the news that liberals and Dems would prefer not be mentioned. They really wanted “well Epstein is dead, moving on”.

Today we find there is no video and his guards were both on overtime and the autopsy is done but results with be held until “later”. All done, right?

The liberal media just can’t resist to discuss and attack his tweets.

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lincolnmanToday 10:15 am JSTAnd once more the hypocrisy overflows from the Trumpers here....

When confronted with Donnie's many sexual escapades and other embarrassments

Not just 'sexual escapades', accusations and allegations of rape and assault. Not from one woman, many. And Donny himself boasts about his groping (to put it mildly), his body-shaming, his bragging about barging into women's dressing rooms, his lustful incestuous statements and actions with his daughter. Why do Trumpers think these things are alright? Why do they excuse these horrible attitudes?

'Embarrassments'? Yes, and downright sickening at that!

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Why can't the Trumpets accept the fact that they're excusing a fascist criminal?

Because it’s no true, why can’t Trump haters accept that?

As for Bill Clinton - he's a cheat, a cad, a liar, a gigolo but if a woman doesn't say 'yes' to him he'll go find one who will. Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick are willing idiots - not victims and they certainly were of the age of consent at the time. 

Yup.

But Bill Clinton never denigrated women

So what he did to all these women as well as Juanita Broderick was done in a respectful manner? Oh, my God.....

he actually forcefully stopped Milosevic's practice of that in Bosnia. 

And without congressional approval from Congress, imagine Trump doing that would send the Democrats hair on fire!

Trump is spreading lies again

So are the media and ten times worse, lost their darn minds this time....again, typical.

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Trump is spreading lies again 

So are the media and ten times worse, lost their darn minds this time....again, typical.

Comparing the behaviour of the president to the biased media is not useful here.

Just say the president of the US shouldn’t be dealing in conspiracy theories. This isn’t counterpunching or fighting back. This is pure trash from the sewer mind of a walking tabloid. He’s done this before. It stinks.

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That makes about as much sense as; "I would never vote for a self-admitted pervert, one who cavorts with porn stars, who has bankrupted six companies and lost over $1 billion, and said some white supremacists and Neo Nazis are "very fine people" - that's why I'm voting for Trump...'

Unless you are calling me a liar. if you are a partisan with a one-sided partisan point of view, I do understand that an individual might think like that, but in the real world and in dealing with reality and as a person that despises racists, I wouldn’t, no way ans never support one.

Only white supremacists, ignorant of history, common sense, context, irony and general education would make counter accusations like that.

We say the exact same about liberals and socialists. Flip-mode.

Typical tactic of the far right, project their own shortcomings onto the opponent. Schoolyard stuff.

When liberals have nothing to say, grasping at straws, they’ll resort to childish and verbal attacks. Shouldn’t be like that.

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Oh Seth Rich’s killers have been identified and are in custody now? It’s not still an unsolved murder? A “robbery” where nothing was stolen?

And who is this “they” who traced it back to Russia? The same “they” pushing fake Russia collusion and fake dossiers?

Didn't you spread that nutjob conspiracy theory about Seth Rich? They traced that back to a Russian troll farm, ya know. Looks like you got duped pretty bad on that one.

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if you are a partisan with a one-sided partisan point of view

You mean like people who make sweeping negative generalizations about entire groups of people like ‘libs’ or ‘dems’?

Those people?

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You mean like people who make sweeping negative generalizations about entire groups of people like ‘libs’ or ‘dems’?

More like Conservatives, Republicans, Neo-Cons and White Nationalists.

Those people.

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crazy joe:

Bill Clinton has not made comments about Epstein's predilection towards young girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton is not currently president. Donald Trump is. 

Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary did not help Epstein dodge prosecution for child sex crimes. Donald Trump's did. 

Bill Clinton has not been accused of raping young girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton has not expressed interest in dating 10-year-old girls. Donald Trump has. 

Bill Clinton would be thrown to the wolves by Democrats if credible evidence was provided that he took part in any of Epstein’s crimes. Donald Trump’s supporters will call it “fake news” if Trump is proven to be involved.

Judging from all this, it seems Trump is suspect number 1. I'd say it was the man-child who ordered Epstein to be murdered. Is it true? Who cares. Let's just spread this theory.

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Blacklabel: Oh Seth Rich’s killers have been identified and are in custody now? It’s not still an unsolved murder? A “robbery” where nothing was stolen? And who is this “they” who traced it back to Russia? The same “they” pushing fake Russia collusion and fake dossiers?

Why not ask Fox News why they retracted the story. You're more likely to believe them.

It's good that the FBI is starting to consider people like you as a threat to the country. I've always believed that. Americans who do unpaid work spreading lies for Russian troll farms should be kicked out of the country for all the damage they do. Very anti-American.

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It's good that the FBI is starting to consider people like you as a threat to the country. I've always believed that. Americans who do unpaid work spreading lies for Russian troll farms should be kicked out of the country for all the damage they do. Very anti-American.

Oh boy, here we go.....

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Yes indeed, here comes the nonsense. It always has to be an attack when we simply want to know what happened. Do we know what happened about Seth Rich? No. Las Vegas shooter? No. Epstein? No.

so I am an unpaid American working for a Russian troll farm. Now that is conspiracy theory, you finally found a valid one. Too bad it’s you pushing it.

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Oh Seth Rich’s killers have been identified and are in custody now? It’s not still an unsolved murder? A “robbery” where nothing was stolen?

And who is this “they” who traced it back to Russia? The same “they” pushing fake Russia collusion and fake dossiers?

And they still spread this Russian-authored nut-job conspiracy theory - even after Sean Hannity's network had to go on the air and grovel and admit he was wrong for promoting it...

According to Isikoff’s account, this conspiracy theory originated from a baseless intelligence “bulletin” put together and disseminated by Russia’s foreign intelligence service, which is known as the SVR. Details from the bulletin were posted on an obscure website that often spreads Russian propaganda, WhatDoesItMean.com, and eventually made their way onto the airwaves of Sean Hannity’s Fox News show.

https://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-conspiracy-russian-intel-fox-news-sean-hannity-1448331

Trumpers live in a conspiracy theory world - it's all they're exposed to all day in their alt-right, Russian sponsored media.

Ask any of them if they still believe President Obama was born in Kenya - all their hands will go up...same as if you were to ask them if the moon landing was faked...

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some things we know all the details pretty much immediately. Anything that can be linked to Trump as a political attack, it all comes out right away.

Other things not only do we get no details, no one seems interested in determining what happened. They just kinda fade away. It’s always just left as “motive unknown/motive unclear”. Las Vegas shooter? Totally forgotten.

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Isikoff’s?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/12/isikoff_spins_his_own_russian_conspiracytheories--_again_140764.html

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That makes about as much sense as; "I would never vote for a self-admitted pervert, one who cavorts with porn stars, who has bankrupted six companies and lost over $1 billion, and said some white supremacists and Neo Nazis are "very fine people" - that's why I'm voting for Trump...'

Unless you are calling me a liar. if you are a partisan with a one-sided partisan point of view, I do understand that an individual might think like that, but in the real world and in dealing with reality and as a person that despises racists, I wouldn’t, no way ans never support one.

As outlined above, if you vote for Trump knowing all his moral failures and mental disabilities, you're just lying to yourself...

Only white supremacists, ignorant of history, common sense, context, irony and general education would make counter accusations like that.

We say the exact same about liberals and socialists. Flip-mode.

Liberals and Socialists? Would that be the short term Socialists you have stated you support (Trump and his farm subsidies) or the longer term ones you don't?

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Yes indeed, here comes the nonsense. It always has to be an attack when we simply want to know what happened. Do we know what happened about Seth Rich? No. Las Vegas shooter? No. Epstein? No.

I'm glad the FBI is now considering conspiracy theorists to be a threat to our country. Long overdue.

so I am an unpaid American working for a Russian troll farm. Now that is conspiracy theory, you finally found a valid one. Too bad it’s you pushing it.

Sorry, maybe my comments didn't come out right. I didn't think you were actually employed by a Russian company. I was trying to say that you were duped into spreading intentionally planted misinformation. Nothing official, just as a hobby, you spread foreign lies.

Saying you were "unpaid" was just a way to mock you for working against our country for free. I'd respect you more if you had gotten paid.

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Isikoff’s?

Then why did Fox News retract the story?

Fox eventually retracted a report that Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks after one of its main sources backtracked on his claims.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/452157-russias-foreign-intelligence-service-secretly-planted-fake-report-that-seth

As I said, they can't give it up - they live in a conspiracy theory world...a majority of it coming from Russia...

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Conspiracy theorists are a cancer to this country. They should be kicked out.

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Why did they retract? Because they can’t prove it.

But....just because something can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not true. Same line liberals use for Russian collusion. We can’t prove it, but it definitely happened!

So by your definition Russian collusion was conspiracy theory and should have been retracted too.

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We choose truth over facts.

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But....just because something can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Like I said, a cancer.

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So by your definition Russian collusion was conspiracy theory and should have been retracted too.

Sorry, what's there to retract? Trump himself said he met with the Russians to get dirt on Clinton. And he said he'd do it again. Let me know what parts you'd like to retract.

Are we just debating the word "collusion?" Call it what you'd like. Meeting with them or getting help from them or working with them. It doesn't change a thing. Your boy is scum.

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Why did they retract? Because they can’t prove it.

BINGO! Doesn't stop some other conspiracy theory fanatics from continuing to promote it though...

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No evidence.....yet”. That’s what you promised all throughout 2.5 years of “muh Russia”. Wait until the investigation is over, you said.

epstein investigation isn’t over yet. Just started, in fact.

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"conspiracy theories"

Anyone who thinks it's a conspiracy theory to think something fishy went on here isn't playing with a full deck.

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Trumpers live in a conspiracy theory world -

Coming from the people that started the Russian collusion witch hunt hoax.....interesting.

it's all they're exposed to all day in their alt-right, Russian sponsored media.

Ahhh...lol

Ask any of them if they still believe President Obama was born in Kenya

Hmmmm...l.

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Liberals and Socialists? Would that be the short term Socialists you have stated you support

That would be the dearly devoted men and women of the hammer and sickle.

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Trumpers live in a conspiracy theory world -

Coming from the people that started the Russian collusion witch hunt hoax.....interesting.

Who started Russian collusion? Maybe you need to ask Manafort who was working for a Russian oligarch, or Flynn who was working for a Ukraine politician with ties to Moscow, or Don Jr and Jared and their meeting with a Russian intel agent at Trump Tower, or Carter Page and his Russian contacts, or Papadapolous, or, etc., etc...

And don't forget to ask about that Trump Tower Moscow deal - you know, the one being negotiated when Trump was saying he has "zero business with Russia"...

it's all they're exposed to all day in their alt-right, Russian sponsored media.

Ahhh...lol

Yea....

Ask any of them if they still believe President Obama was born in Kenya

Hmmmm...l.

I ?

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Liberals and Socialists? Would that be the short term Socialists you have stated you support

That would be the dearly devoted men and women of the hammer and sickle.

Whose policies you've said that you support, i.e., govt subsidies to farmers - it's all in your archive for folks to read...

Bass4funk Aug. 7  04:58 pm JSTPosted in: Trump dismisses trade war fears; China warns of market chaos  See in context

you approve of temporary SOCIALIST policies?

Yes, I do and it could be any other President. I don’t want the farmers to starve in the meantime and suffer for the mistakes of the last 3 Presidents.

So, how many hammer and sickles do you own?

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The women Clinton was involved with were women; Lewinski was the youngest, at 22. Trump has been accused of rape by girl who was 13 years old at the time, and faces at least 12 lawsuits from women who claim he sexually assaulted them. His ex-wife alleged that he raped her. He bragged on camera about grabbing women by the crotch. At some point, one loses the presumption of innocence and the benefit of the doubt.

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@Jimizo,

keep pivoting. Now, back on subject: Are you really buying this nonsense about Epsteins death being suicide?

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epstein investigation isn’t over yet. Just started, in fact.

But they haven't found anything yet. If there were something there, they would have found it already.

We know these angry republican investigators - some being donors to Donny - will try to blame it in the Clintons. All of these Deep State conservatives out to unseat duly elected President Hillary.

Sound familiar?

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Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.

well ok change Clinton with Obama then compare his history with Trump, like to see what BS excuses the Trumptards come up with trying to make Trump seem saint like compared to Obama. LOL

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That would be the dearly devoted men and women of the hammer and sickle.

yes that would be comrade Trump

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Most people couldn't care less about Clinton now, considering he hasn't been president for 18 years and isn't going to be again. Trump loves changing the subject and deflecting. Most rational people are interested in the conduct of a sitting president and we all know who that buffoon is. If Clinton did anything remotely similar to Trump while he was in office, the GOP would have been all over it (and they were with the Lewinsky affair) so it's no surprise the Dems are after Trump. He stupidly gives them so much fodder after all.

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With all of Trump's lies and use of projection and the numerous rape and sexual assault accusations against him, he should be very careful about pointing fingers.

I've seen Trump on film grinning, eyeing over and talking about women together with Epstein, however, I can't say the same for Clinton.

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There were no cameras in his cell and the wardens didn't check his cell every 30 minutes the night before as is required.

The report of the medical examiner is complete but not released.

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