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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Democratic 2020 contenders slam Trump for spreading Epstein conspiracy theories
By John Whitesides WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
66 Comments
stormcrow
With all of Trump's lies and use of projection and the numerous rape and sexual assault accusations against him, he should be very careful about pointing fingers.
I've seen Trump on film grinning, eyeing over and talking about women together with Epstein, however, I can't say the same for Clinton.
serendipitous1
Most people couldn't care less about Clinton now, considering he hasn't been president for 18 years and isn't going to be again. Trump loves changing the subject and deflecting. Most rational people are interested in the conduct of a sitting president and we all know who that buffoon is. If Clinton did anything remotely similar to Trump while he was in office, the GOP would have been all over it (and they were with the Lewinsky affair) so it's no surprise the Dems are after Trump. He stupidly gives them so much fodder after all.
wtfjapan
That would be the dearly devoted men and women of the hammer and sickle.
yes that would be comrade Trump
wtfjapan
Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.
well ok change Clinton with Obama then compare his history with Trump, like to see what BS excuses the Trumptards come up with trying to make Trump seem saint like compared to Obama. LOL
Chip Star
But they haven't found anything yet. If there were something there, they would have found it already.
We know these angry republican investigators - some being donors to Donny - will try to blame it in the Clintons. All of these Deep State conservatives out to unseat duly elected President Hillary.
Sound familiar?
Kestrel
@Jimizo,
keep pivoting. Now, back on subject: Are you really buying this nonsense about Epsteins death being suicide?
lincolnman
Whose policies you've said that you support, i.e., govt subsidies to farmers - it's all in your archive for folks to read...
Bass4funk Aug. 7 04:58 pm JSTPosted in: Trump dismisses trade war fears; China warns of market chaos See in context
Yes, I do and it could be any other President. I don’t want the farmers to starve in the meantime and suffer for the mistakes of the last 3 Presidents.
So, how many hammer and sickles do you own?
lincolnman
Who started Russian collusion? Maybe you need to ask Manafort who was working for a Russian oligarch, or Flynn who was working for a Ukraine politician with ties to Moscow, or Don Jr and Jared and their meeting with a Russian intel agent at Trump Tower, or Carter Page and his Russian contacts, or Papadapolous, or, etc., etc...
And don't forget to ask about that Trump Tower Moscow deal - you know, the one being negotiated when Trump was saying he has "zero business with Russia"...
Yea....
I ?
bass4funk
That would be the dearly devoted men and women of the hammer and sickle.
bass4funk
Coming from the people that started the Russian collusion witch hunt hoax.....interesting.
Ahhh...lol
Hmmmm...l.
Serrano
"conspiracy theories"
Anyone who thinks it's a conspiracy theory to think something fishy went on here isn't playing with a full deck.
Blacklabel
No evidence.....yet”. That’s what you promised all throughout 2.5 years of “muh Russia”. Wait until the investigation is over, you said.
epstein investigation isn’t over yet. Just started, in fact.
lincolnman
BINGO! Doesn't stop some other conspiracy theory fanatics from continuing to promote it though...
SuperLib
Sorry, what's there to retract? Trump himself said he met with the Russians to get dirt on Clinton. And he said he'd do it again. Let me know what parts you'd like to retract.
Are we just debating the word "collusion?" Call it what you'd like. Meeting with them or getting help from them or working with them. It doesn't change a thing. Your boy is scum.
SuperLib
Like I said, a cancer.
Blacklabel
We choose truth over facts.
Blacklabel
Why did they retract? Because they can’t prove it.
But....just because something can’t be proven doesn’t mean it’s not true. Same line liberals use for Russian collusion. We can’t prove it, but it definitely happened!
So by your definition Russian collusion was conspiracy theory and should have been retracted too.
SuperLib
Conspiracy theorists are a cancer to this country. They should be kicked out.
lincolnman
Then why did Fox News retract the story?
Fox eventually retracted a report that Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks after one of its main sources backtracked on his claims.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/452157-russias-foreign-intelligence-service-secretly-planted-fake-report-that-seth
As I said, they can't give it up - they live in a conspiracy theory world...a majority of it coming from Russia...
SuperLib
I'm glad the FBI is now considering conspiracy theorists to be a threat to our country. Long overdue.
Sorry, maybe my comments didn't come out right. I didn't think you were actually employed by a Russian company. I was trying to say that you were duped into spreading intentionally planted misinformation. Nothing official, just as a hobby, you spread foreign lies.
Saying you were "unpaid" was just a way to mock you for working against our country for free. I'd respect you more if you had gotten paid.
lincolnman
As outlined above, if you vote for Trump knowing all his moral failures and mental disabilities, you're just lying to yourself...
Liberals and Socialists? Would that be the short term Socialists you have stated you support (Trump and his farm subsidies) or the longer term ones you don't?
Blacklabel
Isikoff’s?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/12/isikoff_spins_his_own_russian_conspiracytheories--_again_140764.html
Blacklabel
some things we know all the details pretty much immediately. Anything that can be linked to Trump as a political attack, it all comes out right away.
Other things not only do we get no details, no one seems interested in determining what happened. They just kinda fade away. It’s always just left as “motive unknown/motive unclear”. Las Vegas shooter? Totally forgotten.
lincolnman
And they still spread this Russian-authored nut-job conspiracy theory - even after Sean Hannity's network had to go on the air and grovel and admit he was wrong for promoting it...
According to Isikoff’s account, this conspiracy theory originated from a baseless intelligence “bulletin” put together and disseminated by Russia’s foreign intelligence service, which is known as the SVR. Details from the bulletin were posted on an obscure website that often spreads Russian propaganda, WhatDoesItMean.com, and eventually made their way onto the airwaves of Sean Hannity’s Fox News show.
https://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-conspiracy-russian-intel-fox-news-sean-hannity-1448331
Trumpers live in a conspiracy theory world - it's all they're exposed to all day in their alt-right, Russian sponsored media.
Ask any of them if they still believe President Obama was born in Kenya - all their hands will go up...same as if you were to ask them if the moon landing was faked...
Blacklabel
Yes indeed, here comes the nonsense. It always has to be an attack when we simply want to know what happened. Do we know what happened about Seth Rich? No. Las Vegas shooter? No. Epstein? No.
so I am an unpaid American working for a Russian troll farm. Now that is conspiracy theory, you finally found a valid one. Too bad it’s you pushing it.
bass4funk
Oh boy, here we go.....
SuperLib
Why not ask Fox News why they retracted the story. You're more likely to believe them.
It's good that the FBI is starting to consider people like you as a threat to the country. I've always believed that. Americans who do unpaid work spreading lies for Russian troll farms should be kicked out of the country for all the damage they do. Very anti-American.
Pukey2
crazy joe:
Judging from all this, it seems Trump is suspect number 1. I'd say it was the man-child who ordered Epstein to be murdered. Is it true? Who cares. Let's just spread this theory.
bass4funk
More like Conservatives, Republicans, Neo-Cons and White Nationalists.
Those people.
Jimizo
You mean like people who make sweeping negative generalizations about entire groups of people like ‘libs’ or ‘dems’?
Those people?
Blacklabel
Oh Seth Rich’s killers have been identified and are in custody now? It’s not still an unsolved murder? A “robbery” where nothing was stolen?
And who is this “they” who traced it back to Russia? The same “they” pushing fake Russia collusion and fake dossiers?
bass4funk
Unless you are calling me a liar. if you are a partisan with a one-sided partisan point of view, I do understand that an individual might think like that, but in the real world and in dealing with reality and as a person that despises racists, I wouldn’t, no way ans never support one.
We say the exact same about liberals and socialists. Flip-mode.
When liberals have nothing to say, grasping at straws, they’ll resort to childish and verbal attacks. Shouldn’t be like that.
Jimizo
Comparing the behaviour of the president to the biased media is not useful here.
Just say the president of the US shouldn’t be dealing in conspiracy theories. This isn’t counterpunching or fighting back. This is pure trash from the sewer mind of a walking tabloid. He’s done this before. It stinks.
bass4funk
Because it’s no true, why can’t Trump haters accept that?
Yup.
So what he did to all these women as well as Juanita Broderick was done in a respectful manner? Oh, my God.....
And without congressional approval from Congress, imagine Trump doing that would send the Democrats hair on fire!
So are the media and ten times worse, lost their darn minds this time....again, typical.
starpunk
Not just 'sexual escapades', accusations and allegations of rape and assault. Not from one woman, many. And Donny himself boasts about his groping (to put it mildly), his body-shaming, his bragging about barging into women's dressing rooms, his lustful incestuous statements and actions with his daughter. Why do Trumpers think these things are alright? Why do they excuse these horrible attitudes?
'Embarrassments'? Yes, and downright sickening at that!
Blacklabel
Trumps tweets keeps things in the news that liberals and Dems would prefer not be mentioned. They really wanted “well Epstein is dead, moving on”.
Today we find there is no video and his guards were both on overtime and the autopsy is done but results with be held until “later”. All done, right?
The liberal media just can’t resist to discuss and attack his tweets.
SuperLib
Didn't Trump spread that nutjob conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't born here?
Didn't you spread that nutjob conspiracy theory that the Clintons had billions of dollars secretly stashed away in foreign banks?
Didn't you spread that nutjob conspiracy theory about Seth Rich? They traced that back to a Russian troll farm, ya know. Looks like you got duped pretty bad on that one.
Lack of credibility is a very real thing for conspiracy theorists. Their opinions should be discounted because they lack the ability to tell fact from fiction.
bass4funk
So liberals constantly claim, I guess...
No, I would never defend any racist, I dealt with racists and I know exactly what these scum are like.
I know and do understand
That’s how you want to see it. I don’t.
Doesn’t make it racist. He attacked 16 Republican candidates in the worst way, by your logic, he’s equally racist towards Whites.
You make a racial issue about anything if you want, we call that “political correctness.”
Only Liberals TRY to find a racist trope in it.
Blacklabel
Hypocrisy is trying to act like Trump was responsible for all 22 trillion of that. Be honest sometimes. How much of that total belongs to Barack Obama again? 40%?
lincolnman
And once more the hypocrisy overflows from the Trumpers here....
When confronted with Donnie's many sexual escapades and other embarrassments, they always fall back on; "but the economy is doing great"....
Yet they drag up Clinton's name any chance they can - even when Clinton's economic record makes Trump's look like the Great Depression...
President Clinton oversaw a very robust economy with strong economic growth (around 4% annually) and record job creation (22.7 million). He also had budget surpluses in 1998, 1999, and 2000.
What is Trump's expected surplus? Oh that's right, he's presided over the largest deficit in our history...a record $22 trillion...
So why the hypocrisy Trumpers?
starpunk
Trumptreason is trying to cover his hide. Hatred, mass murders, his encourage of violence, corruption, ethnic cleansing, Trump is now trying to shift the blame for his crimes!
Bill Clinton is no angel but he never committed the gross crimes on the level that Donald Trump has!
Blacklabel
Liberals just mad that Baltimore and ark Paso out of the news cycle and you are desperate to bring it back. Ok, the latest:
Al Sharpton gets heckled in Baltimore by fed-up resident.
"You go back to New York! Our schools are failing us… You’re just a hustler! Go back where you came from!"
Jimizo
Whatever your political views, decent people should agree that the President of the US shouldn’t be dealing in conspiracy theories.
It’s just trash.
Blacklabel
How dare he change the conversation away from what happened last week to what happened this week.
Guess it’s not a “true problem” for Beto that Epstein is dead and we don’t know how or why.
starpunk
Why can't the Trumpets accept the fact that they're excusing a fascist criminal? As for Bill Clinton - he's a cheat, a cad, a liar, a gigolo but if a woman doesn't say 'yes' to him he'll go find one who will. Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick are willing idiots - not victims and they certainly were of the age of consent at the time.
But Bill Clinton never denigrated women by body-shaming, bragged about assaulting them like some juvenile, never talked racist talk, didn't talk hatred like an uncouth brat. He didn't kidnap ethnic children and place them in concentration camps - he actually forcefully stopped Milosevic's practice of that in Bosnia.
Trump is spreading lies again like a loudmouth foulmouthed brat kid because he is one. Everything he says is a lie. He can't be trusted for anything! So why believe him now?
SuperLib
FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=tw
The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs.
(end)
Long overdue.
lincolnman
Liberal Press - as in any media outlet that is not Fox, INFOWARs, Breitbart, Russia Today, or Sputnik...
That makes about as much sense as; "I would never vote for a self-admitted pervert, one who cavorts with porn stars, who has bankrupted six companies and lost over $1 billion, and said some white supremacists and Neo Nazis are "very fine people" - that's why I'm voting for Trump...'
Toasted Heretic
Neither of which have advocated violence against their opponents. It's all a bit like Russia, when you think about it.
Toasted Heretic
Why can't white supremacists denounce the racism of Trump?
Toasted Heretic
Only white supremacists, ignorant of history, common sense, context, irony and general education would make counter accusations like that.
Typical tactic of the far right, project their own shortcomings onto the opponent. Schoolyard stuff.
Wolfpack
It’s tribalism I suppose. Why do you think Dems supported Obama after knowing he sat in a racist church for 17 years and made friends with and had his picture taken with the well known anti-Semite and racist Lois Farrakhan? Oh and Al Sharpton too.
I did not vote for Trump in 2016 because I thought, and still believe, that he is a clown. It’s amusing though to read about people who supported a racist politician come out and complain about others supporting a politician they consider to be a racist. I know - only other people are bad - my sides all good.
Toasted Heretic
It's the language of despots and bigots. Which you chose to defend and perpetuate. Your choice but please don't pretend you don't know or comprehend its etymology and implications.
Again, you have to understand where the word comes from, it's historical context and to which demographic it's used to target. And it's infestation, not Investition.
He said it to 4 women of color. It's one of the oldest tropes used against people who aren't white.
It's never used against white people.
8T
Democrats and the Liberal press are to be feared not the President.
bass4funk
Apprehending close to 5,000 in the month of July, what would you call it? I call it Definitely an invasion, it’s not a picnic and it’s not an invitation. It is exactly as described.
How is that racist? Granted, liberals will make every word sound racist, but Investition? Come on. Lol
I'm sorry, so where was the racist attack, specifically, where did he imply race, color, sex or religion?
No, only emotion driving liberals with an axe to grind and nothing to fall back on would make comical accusations like that.
I would never support anyone that’s a racist, that’s why I would never vote for these Democrats.
Why can’t liberals open their eyes and denounce the lies and deceptions of each of these candidates that they will change their color and stripes in order to get a win? Fake all day, they want power, but none of the responsibilities that come with it.
Wolfpack
Thats a pretty funny joke. Dems believed every single one of Bills denials right up until Hillary lost the 2016 election. Then with the Clintons no longer able to help the team the #MeToo movement sprung up and even then only a few Dems were able to bring themselves to admit he preyed on his female subordinates. Remember the whole workplace power differential thing was a big feminist calling card all the way up until Monica?
I don’t like Trumps trafficking in conspiracy theories but given Bill’s past rape and sexual assault allegations, his perjury to the FBI over his sexual dalliances, and the fact that he has travelled on Epstein’s private plane more than 20 times, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility. And given the fact that modern American politics deals in innuendo constantly (see the unsupported Russia hoax and the ridiculous claims that Trump is a white supremacist) it’s fair game.
lincolnman
As I've said many times, Bill Clinton is a lair and a pervert - but compared to Donnie he looks like a choir boy,
And he happens to be the only President post WW II with the largest growth in our GDP and a balanced budget (and surplus). I'm sure the Repubs here can't remember what a balanced budget is but it used to be a core Repub value...
My view is Donnie, Billie, and Jeffie probably had lots of parties together with young girls...
But note this was highlighted in the evidence release this week;
https://www.facebook.com/DJT4P/photos/a.229005344277164/646191355891892/?type=3&theater
Toasted Heretic
There's a correlation between denigrating migrants, calling them an "invasion" and using racist tropes like "infestations", telling people of color to "go back to where they came from".
Only a massive blinkered bigot would claim otherwise.
Why do such people support the racist sexual predator, Donald Trump?
Why can they not bring themselves to denounce the man?
bass4funk
But the media accused Trump of being the case for the El Paso shooting without a single shred of evidence.
And since we are talking about Epstein why is it the media won’t focus on the very, very close relationship between Epstein and Clinton? 27 times and for long periods of time on his Island and not one single media wants to focus on that, but want to focus on the 4 times Epstein was with Trump, but again refuses to focus on Trump throwing him out of a party for....inappropriately foundling a woman? Partisan? Naw!
No, Bill Clinton did far worse.
No, he was accused of raping Junta Broderick.
No, Bill Clinton was on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” more than 27 times and everyone knew what Epstein was about and what he did, even when they go to his Island, Clinton asked his security staff to stay behind.
There was and he was always protected, always. Ask Lewinsky, Jones, Flowers and Broderick and No one believed them, No one, despite the evidence.
Sorry, but using Clinton as an example for conduct and character when it comes to women, coverups and conspiracy theories is just ludicrous, not to mention funny as heck.
serendipitous1
More likely that Trump would want Epstein out of the picture because of what Epstein knew of Trump's sleazy ways.
Toasted Heretic
Playing to his base. What's remarkable is, no Trump supporter called this bs for what it was.
I guarantee you. Not one.
CrazyJoe
Bill Clinton has not made comments about Epstein's predilection towards young girls. Donald Trump has.
Bill Clinton is not currently president. Donald Trump is.
Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary did not help Epstein dodge prosecution for child sex crimes. Donald Trump's did.
Bill Clinton has not been accused of raping young girls. Donald Trump has.
Bill Clinton has not expressed interest in dating 10-year-old girls. Donald Trump has.
Bill Clinton would be thrown to the wolves by Democrats if credible evidence was provided that he took part in any of Epstein’s crimes. Donald Trump’s supporters will call it “fake news” if Trump is proven to be involved.Toasted Heretic
It's astounding how the far right will continue to promote their allegations without any evidence. And it's not like they even care about the victims. It's all about the my team versus your team mentality.
They certainly do.
We certainly do.
IloveCoffee
Their lack of critical thinking is astonishing. The socialists in America have a child-like superficial thinking. They never go any deeper than the surface.