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Democrats: Abortion rulings may be 'a blessing in disguise'

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'a blessing in disguise'

Oh, so they don't actually care about woman's rights.

They just want to win elections and get juicy pensions.

I think it means they can win elections and reverse all the damage done.

16 ( +21 / -5 )

'a blessing in disguise'

Oh, so they don't actually care about woman's rights.

They just want to win elections and get juicy pensions.

If that's how all right-wingers interpret things, no wonder they are so angry. Talk about an entirely warped world view.

15 ( +22 / -7 )

There is nothing more righteous than having the right to kill defenseless unborn babies!

Such amazing, forward thinking human rights advocates!

-16 ( +8 / -24 )

Meaning, this “midterm” people have the choice to choose.

You claimed to support allowing states to choose on abortion. I agree.

You now decide they should focus on something else because it isn’t going the way you’d hoped.

I’m sure most people are capable of thinking about more than one issue at a time and voting appropriately.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

The medievals will pay in november a high price for the damage did to the reproductive rights of women..

The people will defeat them..

8 ( +15 / -7 )

There is nothing more righteous than having the right to kill defenseless unborn babies!

Such amazing, forward thinking human rights advocates!

I couldn’t more.

-18 ( +3 / -21 )

The medievals will pay in november a high price for the damage did to the reproductive rights of women.. 

The people will defeat them..

I doubt it.

-22 ( +1 / -23 )

So they can't have an abortion after 20 weeks? That is FIVE months into a pregnancy. What the hell are they asking for? To be able to murder a baby up until the day before it is born naturally?

-13 ( +5 / -18 )

Old saying; be careful what you wish for, you might get it. I bet a lot of Republican candidates and their supporters are thinking that right now, and if they are not they are not very smart. You effers got abortion rights overturned and gleefully imposed bans in many states. Now stand by for the electoral pay back. The stupid repubes did similar in California, couldn't temper their extremist elements and now they are a superminority in both houses of the state legislature and hold no state wide offices. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot but machine gunned their feet right off. It looks like the repubes might manage to shoot at least a few toes off at a national level.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Not sure why the GOP thought pissing off the women of America (and their male allies) was a good idea. Maybe they know something we don't? I guess we will see in November.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Gee, big Repub government is forcing women into motherhood - and they don't like it - what a surprise....

And not just progressive, Democratic women - Repub and Independent women too - especially independent women...

An Associated Press/NORC poll in June found 87% support abortion when the woman’s life is in danger, 84% support exceptions in the case of rape or incest, and 74% support abortion if the child would be born with a life-threatening illness.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/24/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-as-supreme-court-reportedly-set-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/?sh=4466bfed2f3a

They all want the freedom to control their own bodies in consultation with their doctor...

Abortions should be legal through the second trimester, then more difficult after that..

These "no exception" policies by the Repubs, even for rape and abortion, just show how extreme they are...

And they are now realizing they will pay a heavy price in Nov...

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Because most believe that the unborn should have a voice or that late-term abortion is an abomination or used as a form of birth control in many situations?

Since you are using the phrase ‘most believe’ The majority of Americans are pro- abortion, as I’m sure you are aware, have been for a long time.

Yes, perhaps most GoP are anti-abortion, but they are still in the minority.

That is the issue at hand and will become clearer later this year.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

the "one issue" type voters were already voting Democrat anyway.

not like Francis O'Rourke or Stacy Abrams are suddenly going to win because of abortions.

More people are concerned about the economy, crime, immigration, inflation, overseas war and the new 500 billion student loan vote buying than they are for somebody being allowed to murder babies.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Not sure why the GOP thought pissing off the women of America (and their male allies) was a good idea.

You can turn that around and make the argument that the women and are equally ticked off when they it comes to killing the unborn.

Maybe they know something we don't? I guess we will see in November.

Yes.

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

Women and men voters in North Carolina BETTER be concerned about Republicans in that state as these GOP men try to take away more Women Rights........

GOP forgot about, "Happy wife, happy life."

5 ( +8 / -3 )

poor policy, horrific leadership, poor governance the last 18 months.

The average American is suffering beyond belief due to these Dems in office.

But lets use the restriction of a supposed "right" to murder babies to manufacture outrage in low information voters as our only way to keep power.

Wonderful group of liberals we have, huh?.

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

Blacklabel

the "one issue" type voters were already voting Democrat anyway.

Nope. Previously, there were many "one issue" voters on the right, with anti-abortion being one of those "one issues"

not like Francis O'Rourke or Stacy Abrams are suddenly going to win because of abortions.

Could well do.

More people are concerned about the economy, crime, immigration, inflation, overseas war and the new 500 billion student loan vote buying than they are for somebody being allowed to murder babies.

The most pressing issue is the threats to democracy, which will hurt the GOP, since they are the party that is undermining democracy.

And nobody is concerned about murdering babies, because nobody is doing that.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Hakman, can I run a thought experiment past you?

Let’s imagine you are in a fertility clinic. Maybe your friend works there, and you’re dropping off her lunch. All of a sudden, you hear a loud bang, and the fire alarm goes off. As you turn around, you see that for some reason, a large fire has broken out, and is spreading quickly. Everyone starts running for the emergency exits, and you do as well - but because you are unfamiliar with the layout of the clinic, you are the last adult to make it towards the exit.

However, before you leave, you hear a cry from a room next to the emergency exit. Inside is a five year old boy, frozen in terror next to a table. On the table is a small crate with 100 test tubes in it, labelled “viable ovum inseminated and ready for implantation”. These are fertilized eggs, which, through the power of science, have achieved conception outside of the womb - full living humans, in your view.

The fire is spreading fast, and you can only save the five year old boy, or the 100 test tubes with fertilized eggs. You cannot come back after you leave, and if you don’t choose one and leave now, you will die, along with with five year old and the 100 humans in test tubes.

Which so you choose, and why? Logic dictates that you should save the 100 humans, right? That’s saving far more lives than just one five year old. So I assume that’s what you’d do, yes?

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Many states have banned terminations even in cases of rape and incest including young girls. More than 75% of Americans support allowing legal abortions in cases of rape and incest.

15 states offer no exceptions for rape, incest, or both. Those states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jul/18/next-frontier-battle-over-abortion-bans-carve-outs/

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Republicans: Abortion is bad, because an egg which was inseminated three days ago is a living human, and deserves to live.

Also Republicans: I don’t care how many school children are shot to death daily. I think guns are cool and if hundreds of other people’s kids have to die for me to pretend to be a tough guy then so be it.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

"...egg which was inseminated three days ago..."

There it is! Straight to straw man silliness. lol. If you're brainwashed enough to think this is about "three day" situations, I don't think you can be brought to see the reality. You're just not interested.

Ask any Democrat, any at all running for power positions, if they would place ANY limit on ANY abortion procedure. They will refuse to answer. After 5 months? No. After 8 months? No. After birth? No comment.

Will a single Democrat say that "A viable baby, born full term and still unwanted by the woman, should not be killed"? Not a single one. Even then, they stand for a "woman's right to choose" (death for the child).

Take your "three day egg" trope somewhere else.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Republicans: Abortion is bad, because an egg which was inseminated three days ago is a living human, and deserves to live.

We are talking about late-term

Also Republicans: I don’t care how many school children are shot to death daily.

We do care, now if Dems wouldn’t defund them and support the police that would protect these kids there would be less of that.

I think guns are cool and if hundreds of other people’s kids have to die for me to pretend to be a tough guy then so be it.

No, without them, in serious situations we can’t protect them and every parent has the right to do so.

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Will a single Democrat say that "A viable baby, born full term and still unwanted by the woman, should not be killed"? Not a single one. Even then, they stand for a "woman's right to choose" (death for the child).

This is literally completely untrue. You have been brainwashed by deranged religious bigots who despise women.

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As a non American, I find the language used in these articles very interesting.

The other day, people were said to be “forced” to go someplace to get an abortion.

Today I read “in one of the South’s few remaining safe havens”.

Is it not a safe haven for those babies that are having their life taken from them?

I find it curious that abortion is even a “conservative” versus “liberals“ issue in the US.

This is a very complicated issue. I don’t think that even “liberals” would really feel comfortable with killing late term babies.

If it is in Japan that young mothers abandon their newly born, they get hammered on JT. But if it is the US, is it really all a okay for babies to be killed so long as they are unborn?

But then there are those cases of rape and incest, to make things complicated.

Fascinating….

-6 ( +1 / -7 )

Name names, please? Just one.

Go ahead. We're all waiting. Name one Democrat that is running in 2020 and has set limits on when a woman can legally kill their child.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

2022, sorry.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

We are talking about late-term

No, we’re not. Multiple states ban abortion completely, even at early stages, even in cases of rape and incest. Like your beloved Texas.

Go ahead. We're all waiting. Name one Democrat that is running in 2020 and has set limits on when a woman can legally kill their child.

Not a single Democratic politician has ever advocated murdering a child that has been born.

Republicans regularly support the death penalty for underage offenders.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Hito Bito

If you're going to paraphrase Ted Cruz, at least acknowledge where this rubbish is coming from.

Cruz's statement is based on an inaccurate characterization of a bill considered in Virginia's House of Delegates, which would have changed requirements needed before doctors could perform an abortion during the third-trimester of pregnancy. 

In Virginia, abortions are allowed at this late point if three physicians certify that a continued pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman. The author of the bill, which was unsuccessful, said her proposed changes would not allow an abortion to be performed on a woman during a live birth.

Any attempt at aborting or killing an infant after birth is illegal.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/27/ted-cruz/do-democrats-support-abortion-until-and-after-birt/

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Good thing we have an election coming in around 2 months.

Then I can hear all the “nobody said…” excuses.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

You're doing a great job of evading my question! lol. You said it was...what was it? "Literally completely untrue" that Democrats will NOT limit their abortion extremism in any way, shape or form.

You're doing my work for me! Change the topic, ad hominen arguments! I'm still waiting for a single Democrat on record stating there are limits to the murder they are in favour of. You should be able to provide HUNDREDS of examples, right? But you cannot find even one?

Here's a quote from a Democrat, a doctor, on his willingness to allow murder to even viable, post-partum children with no defects at all: "“In this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother...” (about if they want to kill their child lying beside them.)

Your turn! Name names, please, or get off...

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

In this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired

You only resuscitate someone if they’re dead. An infant born dead seems like a pretty big “defect” to me.

Please learn what words mean.

Let’s also not ignore that you are quoting out of context because you have no legitimate arguments:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion-idUSKBN27D2HL

The sheer dishonesty is staggering. Just come clean and admit that you hate women.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

You want to see what happens when a bunch of older white men decide that women don't have rights anymore? Come to KS. Red, RED Kansas.

The GOP leads in registration 59-41. I cannot remember the exact total but Trump won KS by around 20 pts, and would surly win it again.

The ballot referendum was specifically designed to win an abortion ban (more on that later) by:

A) putting it on the Primary rather than the General when very few people actually vote. And,

B) Making the wording confusing in that if one wanted to protect the existing right to an abortion, one would have to vote "No".

And in a result that surprised even me, the women of KS (and the men that value them for more than sex and cooking) flooded the polls (Voting exceeded the general of 2014) and by an overwhelming majority said "No!" (Actually they said a lot of other things which cannot be typed here and escape moderation but you get the idea.)

Now double-B and the anti-choice zelots will say "See? this is just what was meant. Let the states decide." Um, no. That is most definitely NOT what they meant. They wanted to sneak a ban in by:

A) putting a poorly worded ballot initiative in the primary where they thought only their voters would vote

B) They were absolutely, positively going to follow up with a summary ban on all abortions in the legislature.

But what about other states? Well, NY-19, a purple district that the GQP was expecting to win (Hell, Democrats were expecting the GQP to win.) went Blue after this ruling came out. In WI and NE, the anti-choice candidate won, but by far less than he (It's always a he) should have in what should have been a very safe Red seat.

GQP Nominee in AZ Masters (of the Master Race if you believe what he has said in the past) SUDDENLY wiped all his anti-choice proposals from his web site in an effort to re-boot his doomed campaign.

What I really want to hear is more of older white men man-splaining on TV how "Real" Americans are going to focus on "Real issues." As if women were not equal.

Oh, and I triple-dog dare them to tell a woman of any age, race or economic status facing an unplanned, maybe unwanted pregnancy that she needs to focus on "REAL" issues. From my perspective it doesn't get much more real than that and I am a middle-age white guy.

Women are voting on this issue, they are voting in droves, and they are voting Democratic because Democrats recognize them as fully-equal members of society and Republicans do not.

It really is just that simple.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

By your logic, all Republicans support mandatory head shaving every morning, because you can’t name a single one who has come out against it. Well, I like my hair, so I won’t be going for your enforced baldness GOP.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

@Hakman

Well, they certainly are a blessing for all the human beings in the womb whose lives are being saved.

Yes, they are human beings.

Separate DNA. (From conception.)

Separate chromosomes. (Also from conception.)

Separate heart.

Separate brain.

Separate blood supply.

Separate arms & legs.

Separate torso.

Separate everything.

Pregnant women don't have two of any of the above.

The unborn are clearly human beings. This is not debatable. It's not controvertible. It's undeniable biological fact.

And when we kill human beings, it's called murder.

The pro-abortion crowd always avoids the above facts. They always try to rhetorically spin their way away from them. They utter shrill, shrieking, angry, bitter wails. None of it changes the facts above, though.

I fully support every woman's (and man's) choice to either (a) abstain from sex so as to avoid pregnancy, or (b) engage in sex, but with the understanding that a pregnancy may ensue.

If (b) is the choice and a pregnancy does result, it's not a choice anymore. It's a child. Again, review the incontrovertible facts listed above.

So, to the "control my own body" crowd, if you don't want to get pregnant (ladies) or get someone pregnant (gentlemen), then ... control your body. Control your actions.

You already have reproductive rights. You have full rights over whether or not you choose to engage in the reproductive act.

If you choose to engage in it, don't be surprised if you get pregnant -- and take responsibility for it, which doesn't include intentional homicide.

Very well put.

Any response pro abortionists?

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Any response pro abortionists?

It’s nonsense.

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Again if they care so much about the rights of the unborn child

Why don't they care about this said child once it's born.

Then they feel no responsibility at all.

It is all about control.

Pathetic

4 ( +7 / -3 )

If anyone is interested in hearing the actual positions on abortion of Democratic politicians, rather than febrile hyperbole from jaundiced Right wing commenters-

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/where-2020-democrats-stand-on-abortion

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Good thing we have an election coming in around 2 months. 

Then I can hear all the “nobody said…” excuses.

Is that right?

Something to look forward to?

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Good thing we have an election coming in around 2 months.

Sue is....

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/

Then I can hear all the “nobody said…” excuses.

Indeed - just like in Nov 2020 when all the Trump supporters who said he'd win in a landslide all went silent for several months...

Know anyone like that?

5 ( +7 / -2 )

funkymofo: Ted Cruz? What?

I quoted a DEMOCRAT from Virginia. Straight from the horse's mouth. Ted Cruz has NOTHING to do with my quote.

Ralph Northam, Democrat, former governor of Virginia said that (he's also a happy wearer of KKK costumes to parties, by the way, but hey, that's perfectly excusable for Democrats, too, since they re-elected the guy even knowing this! But that's a different topic.) He's a doctor!

Once the storm broke out due to the, you know, HONESTY in his messaging, he immediately refused to say any more on the subject. Now, no Democrat will answer the questions: "How far does your extremism with abortion go? Does it go even to birth and beyond? Where do you draw the line?" They simply will say "I believe in the right of a woman to choose". NO EXCEPTIONS. So what are we to make of that??

It's supposed to be a secret. Just like this left-slanted article from the left-slanted Associated Press, the spin is that the "extremism" is all on one side, when in reality there's a world of variance in what one state does versus another, what one anti-abortion activist thinks versus another. lol. The monolithic extremism is with the Democrats! To refuse to say that killing babies that can be viable outside the womb, or killing babies that are already born might not be so good...That's not extreme?? lol.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

No, we’re not. Multiple states ban abortion completely, even at early stages, even in cases of rape and incest. Like your beloved Texas.

Go to a state that allows it, problem solved.

Not a single Democratic politician has ever advocated murdering a child that has been born.

What do you think abortion is? Especially late-term?

Republicans regularly support the death penalty for underage offenders.

When you kill someone, yes. Again, we are talking about murder.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

What do you think abortion is? Especially late-term?

Abortion by definition concerns unborn. Therefore you cannot abort a child that has been born. Please learn what words are.

When you kill someone, yes. Again, we are talking about murder.

So you admit that you don’t actually believe in the sanctity of the life of children. You just want to control women.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Go to a state that allows it, problem solved.

So, not really murder then?

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Of course they don’t actually believe it’s murder. When asked what the punishment for a woman who gets an abortion should be, they clam up. Because they know that if they follow their, let’s generously say, “values” of “murder warrants the death penalty”, then they’d have to execute every woman who has an abortion, or possibly even a miscarriage.

Even the most deluded GOP whackjobs understand that this is inhuman. So they back off when asked.

They don’t care about children or their lives. That’s why the instant a child is born, they say, “you’re on your own you freeloading parasite. You’re nearly two hours old, get a job!”

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Hito Bito

Ask any Democrat, any at all running for power positions, if they would place ANY limit on ANY abortion procedure. They will refuse to answer. After 5 months? No. After 8 months? No. After birth? No comment.

Will a single Democrat say that "A viable baby, born full term and still unwanted by the woman, should not be killed"? Not a single one. Even then, they stand for a "woman's right to choose" (death for the child).

Cruz

"We’ve seen far too many Democrats embrace extreme positions on abortion: abortion up until the moment of birth and even, horrifically, after that," Cruz said.

... allowing a mother in labor, in the process of delivering a child, this bill would allow a doctor to kill that child instead of delivering that child in the midst of labor," Cruz said.

would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world ... then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby. The Democrat position on abortion is now so extreme that they don’t mind executing babies AFTER birth.

apologies, that last one was Trump- that p---y grabbing, 20 or so times accused of sexual assault, defender of women's rights.

Cruz’s claim that Democrats support abortion up until birth and "even, horrifically, after that," is inaccurate, as are Trump's typically fact free diatribes.

To be clear: killing an infant after birth is illegal, and people on both sides of the abortion debate agree that this act should be illegal.

Under federal law, the definitions of a person, human being, child and individual all include infants "born alive at any stage of development."

All this is on politifact and other news organizations, read the Dem positions, don't fall for the ugly rhetoric of the Right. They\re panicking because they know the repeal of Roe vs. Wade is tremendously unpopular and are trying to muddy the water with already disproven arguments.

The Northem Virginia legislation

This characterization of Democrats as supporters of allowing abortions during and after a live birth surfaced in early 2019, when a subcommittee of the Virginia House of Delegates considered a bill aimed at loosening the state’s abortion laws.

In Virginia, a woman can choose to obtain an abortion through the end of the second trimester of pregnancy, up to 28 weeks from her last menstrual period.

After that point, abortions are legal if they happen in a hospital and three physicians certify that "the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman."

The law also requires physicians to make "measures for life support for the product of such abortion" available if there is "any clearly visible evidence of viability" after an attempted abortion.

The bill Virginia lawmakers considered in 2019 proposed multiple changes to state laws addressing abortion, including the provision regulating the procedure in the third trimester.

The proposal would have lowered the number of physicians required to authorize a third-trimester abortion from three to one and remove the "substantial and irremediable" threshold in the law. Per Politifact.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

I hear not only women but also men are getting pissed off at the Trump party since lots of men hate kids now and don't want them. why are Trump people so obsessed over controlling the woman's body. Also in Japan abortion is very legal and in some cases paid for with public funds. That's right Trump kids in Japan, a certain percentage of your tax yen is going towards "murdering puddles of goo" yet you choose to stay in this country. By the way, there is indication this may have an impact (negative) on military recruitment because since you are transferred sometimes and people who serve are worried about being sent to a Trump anti abortion state (military personnel get abortions sometimes and they want this freedom). Just check the news and you will find there is a military volunteer crisis and then Trump anti abortion people are part of the push against joining the military.

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Whatever the result of the elections does not determine whether abortion is right or wrong.

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The unborn are clearly human beings. This is not debatable. It's not controvertible. It's undeniable biological fact

A clump of cells is a human being? Really? That is one flavor of one religion talking and nothing else. In medicine, there is no pregnancy until the zygote implants in the womb. Many fertilized eggs (zygotes) never implant and are passed during the woman's period. It that a "human life" that was passed along naturally? How about when a zygote implants in a fallopian tube? That can kill the mother if not quickly removed (aborted). Many would argue a fetus is not a human life until it can exist outside the womb. There are a couple of new lawsuits just making their ways through the courts where Jewish and Muslim groups are suing because according to the laws of their religions, a fetus is not a human until it breathes its first breath. They consider abortion restrictions to be religious discrimination. Jewish groups in particular are incensed by the abortion bans. One of these suits will likely find its way to the US Supreme Court in a few years.

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I’m not a republican and have never voted for one because they all seem like religious nut jobs. But a 20 week ban seems reasonable. In Japan it’s 22 weeks unless there are extenuating circumstances. That’s nearly 6 months pregnant and The baby would be almost full term. Even terminating a pregnancy that far along can cause risks to the mother. I can understand why this is a divisive issue. I’m neutral but maybe women should not wait until the last moment to terminate a pregnancy.

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Why don't they care about this said child once it's born.

This is the inverse in Japan. Abortion is legal here and child services like healthcare and other care like daycare are superior. Trump people: should children get free healthcare in the USA? Because in Japan they do (even for middle class families)

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Go to a state that allows it, problem solved.

It is a long and expensive trip from Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, most of Oklahoma, Kentucky, Ohio or Mississippi to a state that allows abortion. Maybe not such a problem if you have money and a job that provides sick leave or paid vacation, but for most lower or even many middle income wage earners, jobs do not offer sick leave or paid vacation ( I worked many such jobs in the transportation and warehousing industries, two major employers), managers begrudge and punish workers who do call in sick and the pay is not enough to swing two days off work, a road trip, overnight motel stay and the cost of the abortion.

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Abortion by definition concerns unborn.

That are living and about to be killed

So you admit that you don’t actually believe in the sanctity of the life of children.

I do, but the punishment should fit the crime, even I knew that in 4th grade

You just want to control women.

Not a all.

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

Don't Mess With Suburban Moms!

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Of course they don’t actually believe it’s murder.

Sorry, you don’t speak for any right to life person.

When asked what the punishment for a woman who gets an abortion should be, they clam up.

At the same time the people that don’t believe in war or accountability for crimes are ok with tearing an unborn child to pieces

Because they know that if they follow their, let’s generously say, “values” of “murder warrants the death penalty”, then they’d have to execute every woman who has an abortion, or possibly even a miscarriage.

Not at all, they can go to any state that supports it, and again, it should be allowed in certain cases of rape, incest of of the life of the mother or child is in jeopardy.

Even the most deluded GOP whackjobs understand that this is inhuman. So they back off when asked.

Depends who you ask

They don’t care about children or their lives.

We do, that’s why we believe in education and hard work and self-reliance which leads to more prosperity as well as educated and being more informed about protecting yourself from any unwanted pregnancies.

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The unborn only become babies when they are born.

The embryonic stage begins with fertilization and lasts for eight weeks

From the 10th week of pregnancy (if you’re counting from the start of the last period) until birth is the fetal stage.

When egg and sperm meet, a zygote is formed and quickly begins dividing to become an embryo. As pregnancy progresses the embryo becomes a fetus. The fetus becomes a neonate or newborn at birth.

Weeks 10-13: the fetus is undergoing rapid growth, kidneys begin producing urine

Weeks 14-17: external genitalia has formed, coordinated limb movements, bones are hardening, eye movement begins

Weeks 18-21: eyebrows and head hair are visible, formation of the fetal uterus and vagina

Weeks 22-26: the fetus is gaining weight, fingernails are present

Weeks 27-30: lungs and brain are developed to the point that the fetus would likely survive if born at this point and given intensive care; eyelids are open, toenails are visible, the fetus is putting on fat

Weeks 31-35: pupils respond to light

Weeks 36-40: has a firm grasp, adding 14 grams (about ½ an ounce) of fat per day

The transition from fetus to newborn (also called neonate)—which occurs at birth—is complex and must happen quickly for the newborn to become able to survive independently.

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