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Democrats demand full Mueller report; Trump says OK with him

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There is a big difference between what Trump says, and what he does.

"....Trump says OK with him." Sure, and if you believe that, there is a bridge I can sell you to Brooklyn.

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However, the AG has the final say 

Um, you think Trump is going to let Barr have the final say over anything? Trump?

Come on, don’t play us both for stupid.

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Trump has said he also would like the see the whole Mueller Russian report be release when male available. However, the AG has the final say so following his review and reduction of classified materials, witnee names & etc. in accordance with governing laws. The Democrats know this yet they prefer to ramble on & on about the release of the report on its entirety

A Summation of Mueller's summation was submitted in a 4pg review. The same thing is done for a book review ! Sadly the Congressional Democrats will not be satisfied until the 2020 election cycle has nome and gone !

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The Mueller report cannot be fully released because there is confidential information regarding thousands of U.S. citizens in there who did not get any indictment. You can't do that, the 4th Amendment bars you from doing so. The public cannot know intimate personal details about the subject of an investigation who was never actually charged with anything. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice, it would be totally unconstitutional. If Barr were to OK such a thing, he would get disbarred.

So, redact that information. Very simple, but Mitch, your buddy, doesn't want it released as he knows there is enough evidence for obstruction, and in any case, the GOP comes out smelling badly. Too much of Russia. Who could have imagined that Russia bought American democracy. Even Mitch took Russian money, (bribes), funny that.

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The Dems are acting like children who didn't get their way in the 2016 election.

I wonder how they are going to act when Trump steam rolls his way to another election victory in 2020.

Can't wait to watch!

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The Mueller report cannot be fully released because there is confidential information regarding thousands of U.S. citizens in there who did not get any indictment. You can't do that, the 4th Amendment bars you from doing so. The public cannot know intimate personal details about the subject of an investigation who was never actually charged with anything. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice, it would be totally unconstitutional. If Barr were to OK such a thing, he would get disbarred.

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I can see where this goes:

"The righteous Mueller will take down Trump!"

Mueller didn't take down Trump.

"We need to see the full report to take down Trump!"

Full report released, nothing damning, doesn't take down Trump.

"We need to investigate Bob Mueller for the next 3 years!"

On and on and on we go....

Release the report. But get ready, all they want is minutia dirt if there's nothing else.

"Trump was observed eating a chocolate bar and saying 'I hate Snickers' to an associate"

Dems: "TRUMP WAS MISHEARD, MAYBE HE SAID HE HATES [N-WORD]!!! IMPEACH NOW!!!!!"

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These 13 Democrats hate Trump? Who told you that?

There background, their hatred for Trump, Democrat donation ties and common sense

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Its a sorry state of affairs in the world of Democracy these days. One has to wonder, whether Democracy really exists ?

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We don't know what the investigation did or didn't find. We do have a quote that Trump was not exonerated. That's about all we know, as long as the 'pubs are suppressing the report from being presented to Congress and (redacted) to the people.

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Look, I'm not a trump fan by any means. But the investigation is done, didnt find anything criminal. Let it go.

instead of trying to get him impeached try and come up with an actual plan for Americans. I hate this back and forth with people pushing one agenda or the other. no one is actually looking out for the people. I really hope for an independant canidate who sees the best ideas from Democrats and Republicans. America is so divided right now.

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@muffttii

Theres nothing common sense about this whole 2 year charade. Isn’t that obvious?

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common sense - trump put barr in that position to manipulate the public.

common sense - if nothing to hide, report should be opened to public right at the beginning.

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House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif

Clearly Schiff lied to the American public while pushing his fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory. He should resign.

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Bass:. Besides their hatred of Trump?

These 13 Democrats hate Trump? Who told you that? Someone who interviewed them?

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Trump is a verifiable badass. To stand up to this and keep it together is amazing. The guy is amazing.

House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif

He is a liar and a disgrace and he needs to resign.

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Still don't get this. What makes them angry?

Besides their hatred of Trump? Not being able to control the masses, people wanting an end to the Washington establishment?

Wonder why he didn’t have single Republican on this witch hunt team.

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Trump to his SECDEF: "I want a platoon of soldiers with flame throwers over at the DOJ ASAP - we're going to burn every last copy of that damn report before sundown..."

That's some wild imagination you got there, lincoln, haha

Can we all agree that Mueller is a credible investigator?

Apparently Adam Schiff can't agree, as he has insisted he has non-circumstantial evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. Still haven't seen that yet. We can all agree agree, however, that Mueller lied about Iraq having WMD.

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A national news station bumped my favorite tv series to waste an hour of primetime on Mueller's 4 pg summary, something that would take 8 minutes to CAREFULLY read.

Sad. So, so, sad.

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As noted elsewhere online:

"Mueller is playing a much smarter game than Trump will ever know. I recently read this earlier post... "According to a new report from the New York Times, Mueller has farmed out federal indictments to 1) the SDNY, in Manhattan, 2) the EDNY, in Brooklyn, 3) the EDVA in Virginia, 4) the U.S. Attorney’s office in Los Angeles, 5) the U.S. Attorney’s office in Washington DC, 6) the DOJ National Security Division, and 7) the DOJ Criminal Division. So is the take away from all this? Those who are familiar with Mueller’s investigation understand that “no more indictments from Mueller” doesn’t mean “no more indictments.” It means every single one of Mueller’s existing indictments resides in a “presidential pardon proof” prosecutorial district. Recall how Mueller handed off the Cohen case to the U.S. Attorneys’ office for the SDNY, who sent Cohen to prison. As his own investigation ends, it becomes clear Mueller plans to handle all indictments/prosecutions resulting from his investigation through these seven federal prosecutorial entities. In other words, the people on Team Trump who are celebrating right now are merely suffering from a lack of understanding about the rule of law and how federal and state prosecutions work."

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Kabuki:. Improve the lot of the average working citizen

How about tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of the estate tax?

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Nadler? Talk about the most stinky, swampy,no good for nothing poitician. Definetly his last hurrah.

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The democrat’s conundrum is that if they give up trying to investigate Trump they need to fill the void with tangible ideas that improve the lot of the average working citizen besides juvenile initiatives like the Green Deal, dead-on-arrival Medicare for All and making disgusting anti-Semitic remarks.

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As a registered independent voter here in Texas, I encourage the democrats to keep going down this futile path as it will keep making them look loonier by the day, (if that is even more possible) and will turn many of my fellow independents away from them going into the 2020 election.

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Congress voted 420-0 for release; Barr said he would release - though "within the rules", which left him basically unlimited room for interpretation; and Trump has said, perhaps unwisely, that he's fine with Barr making that decision.

Not much reason to suppress it then.

But Congress doesn’t get to determine who gets to see what and how much and Barr can’t just release it, he and he alone will make the final decision on this, but there are many things that need to be taken into consideration, methods, witnesses, if there are sealed indictments you obviously don’t want to make any of this public, so everyone needs to be patient, the President was patient for 2 years, so the ?Dems can be patient for a few days.

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The Left will not accept that Trump is innocent no matter what evidence is provided. They know that Muellers entire report cannot be made public because it contains grand jury information, it also contains counter intelligence information- we know that because that was the basis for the investigation to begin with. It also contains allegations against people who were never charged. Given that the full report cannot be divulged the Left will not be able to accept Muellers word for it that Trump is not guilty.

At his confirmation hearing, Barr gave an undertaking to release as much of the report as the rules allow. That is presumably sufficient, assuming that he does so in good faith. (Though can he actually be trusted to? The short answer is, absolutely not.)

And since Trump himself has now publicly stated that he has no objection to the release of the full report and that the decision rests with the attorney general, there are no valid arguments for Barr not making good on his promise. Congress voted 420-0 for release; Barr said he would release - though "within the rules", which left him basically unlimited room for interpretation; and Trump has said, perhaps unwisely, that he's fine with Barr making that decision.

Not much reason to suppress it then.

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Someone, please leak the full report. LoL

Not as optimistic.

I assume the full report has only been in the hands of Barr, Rosenstein, and perhaps the Office of Legal Counsel.

Barr obviously isn't going to leak it. Rosenstein isn't either. Perhaps someone from the OLC... but, unclear if anyone still has access to it after reviewing it over the weekend.

I think the only chance it sees the light of day is when there's a Democratic POTUS with an AG who will sign off on its release, sadly. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect much of Mueller's report to see the light of day with Trump in office.

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You are all naive fools, you are all being tricked by useless evil politicians! 

Not all of us, Vik. Not all of us.

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Maybe? But the Democrats need to learn, they can’t punch anyone and not get punched back.

The Republicans should stop advocating violence. And Sarah Sanders threatening the death penalty against Trump's opponents is just that.

That's half the US she'd like to execute. Anyone for a bit of genocide?

A demonic administration, if you'll pardon the hyperbole.

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Even without an outlandish conspiracy theory?

What? Like the Trump/Russian collusion? Lol

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I like this guy

Even without an outlandish conspiracy theory?

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For 22 months Trump and the gang is playing everybody with the Mueller investigation while making billions of dollars!!! You are all naive fools, you are all being tricked by useless evil politicians! While you waste you time and life arguing in empty, they steal and grab billions, and exploit millions of you worse than slaves were treated... Wake up, start using your head and not your butt for thinking... Get rid of useless politicians!

I like this guy

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For 22 months Trump and the gang is playing everybody with the Mueller investigation while making billions of dollars!!! You are all naive fools, you are all being tricked by useless evil politicians! While you waste you time and life arguing in empty, they steal and grab billions, and exploit millions of you worse than slaves were treated... Wake up, start using your head and not your butt for thinking... Get rid of useless politicians!

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The Left will not accept that Trump is innocent no matter what evidence is provided.

I'll accept that they don't have enough to prove guilt. That's how the law works.

They know that Muellers entire report cannot be made public because it contains grand jury information, it also contains counter intelligence information

I don't think many people other than some extremists think the public as a whole needs access to the entire report. But Congress does.

As long as your team blocks congress from full access to the report, you're correct, we won't accept your claims of innocence. But that's on you guys if you continue to block full access to the report for Congress.

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If the GOP investigation into Democrats does happen to turn up empty handed or waste tax dollars, will you be saying the same thing?

Let’s see where that pans out first.

Then they should start immediately. But Trump is planning to create a new SC to do it...

It will, the Dems took their time, be patient.

Here we go...before anyone is prosecuted, ready to blame.

Like you guys did and still are doing....

Weren't you so upset about the dems doing that to Trump saying it was unfair etc.?

Yes, so don’t complain it’s coming.

I agree, that some of these people should be investigated but you are already jumping on the same bandwagon that you shamed democrats for for over 2 years.

Maybe? But the Democrats need to learn, they can’t punch anyone and not get punched back.

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because without those people and their corrupt actions, the investigation would never have existed in the first place and we could have our 22 months and 40 million dollars back.

As far as the $40 million, the investigation ended up being in the black due to Manafort forfeiting the assets he gained from crime. So I'm not sure why you are whining about that.

As for the 22 months, well you probably shouldn't have elected a sleazy president then. A clean president wouldn't have needed to be investigated for 22 months. So you only have yourselves to blame for screwing that one up. Next time try electing someone competent.

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The end of the beginning, not the beginning of the end. SDNY and NYAG have yet to indict. And you have to wonder whether the DoJ is going to be asked to produce an illustrated version for Trump to read...

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yes, I do. All have been referred by Congress for criminal prosecution.

The identified targets of the referral include: •former FBI Director James Comey; •former Asst. FBI Director Andrew McCabe; •former Attorney General Loretta Lynch; •former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; •current FBI Agent Peter Strzok; and •current DOJ Attorney Lisa Page (former Special Counsel to Andrew McCabe).

Here we go...before anyone is prosecuted, ready to blame. Weren't you so upset about the dems doing that to Trump saying it was unfair etc.?

I agree, that some of these people should be investigated but you are already jumping on the same bandwagon that you shamed democrats for for over 2 years.

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yes, I do. All have been referred by Congress for criminal prosecution.

The identified targets of the referral include: •former FBI Director James Comey; •former Asst. FBI Director Andrew McCabe; •former Attorney General Loretta Lynch; •former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; •current FBI Agent Peter Strzok; and •current DOJ Attorney Lisa Page (former Special Counsel to Andrew McCabe).

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The DOJ and federal and state courts can easily handle the upcoming Dem criminal cases.

Then they should start immediately. But Trump is planning to create a new SC to do it...

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People already get paid to do these jobs. No need for a special counsel and an entire separate staff of partisan lawyers costing 40 million dollars. The DOJ and federal and state courts can easily handle the upcoming Dem criminal cases.

The whole Special Counsel thing was political theater set up to allow Mueller to put the squeeze on people to try to flip them, while bankrupting any witnesses or "targets" who wouldnt play along.

How do you think Carter Page's bank account and job prospects are right now? He wasnt even indicted.

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Lindsey Graham can and will.

Yea, and maybe he should.

Uh-huh...lol

Why is it corrupt then?

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Yes, several of those people have been criminally referred for prosecution

Yes, mantaford is in the worst situation. I don't know of any Hillary people with such legal problems. Do you?

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we- the American people who were lied to by Dem politicians and the liberal media. Adam Schiff and others said they had seen the proof of collusion with their own eyes, right?

You feel as if 2 years of your life was wasted by being consumed by the investigation? I feel bad for you, you need to get a hobby or something.

Investigations dont exist as a way to generate profit. give me a break.

I never said it existed as a way to generate profit. But it made money, you claim it lost money. You are wrong...

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The Left will not accept that Trump is innocent no matter what evidence is provided. They know that Muellers entire report cannot be made public because it contains grand jury information, it also contains counter intelligence information- we know that because that was the basis for the investigation to begin with. It also contains allegations against people who were never charged. Given that the full report cannot be divulged the Left will not be able to accept Muellers word for it that Trump is not guilty. The Collusion Truthers will never give up on their impeachment fantasies.

Nadler, Schiff, and the rest of the #resistance are hanging their hat on Mueller’s inability or unwittingly make a decision in the obstruction allegation. But in Western jurisprudence everyone is considered innocent unless proven guilty. Mueller obviously could not prove his guilt or he would have stated so in his report. Mueller passed on that decision as if he were afraid to make it. Rosenstein and Barr put that question to bed when they declared that their was insufficient evidence. Some posters here are insisting that the lack of an explicit exoneration is equivalent to guilt. That’s not how the American justice system works. So that’s it. Trump wins this battle- no collusion, no obstruction of justice. Now it’s back to the emoluments clause and criminalizing sex.

What possible new evidence will the Dems in Congress come up with that Mueller could not given the enormous resources at his disposal for the past two years?

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we- the American people who were lied to by Dem politicians and the liberal media. Adam Schiff and others said they had seen the proof of collusion with their own eyes, right?

Investigations dont exist as a way to generate profit. give me a break.

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If the GOP investigation into Democrats does happen to turn up empty handed or waste tax dollars, will you be saying the same thing?

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Muellers a republican chosen by republicans to run the investigation,

As if that’s a safety cushion, doesn’t mean a darn thing. The establishment NeoCons that want to keep us in perpetual overseas wars and entrenched like the establishment Democrats don’t like Trump. The man is an outsider, a man with a wrecking ball, a disrupter, so yes, without a doubt.

Trump just said he was going to investigate the democrats...its far from over unfortunately

Well, you and I know Trump personally can’t do that, but Lindsey Graham can and will.

Because it contains bad words about Trump and obstruction of justice...

Uh-huh...lol

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@blacklabel

I'm not sure what you are so upset about. Through the investigation, some very bad people were prosecuted and locked up. Trump was exonerated from claims that he colluded with Russia. The government made a profit. And now the GOP gets to investigate the liberals.

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we could have our 22 months and 40 million dollars back.

Who is "we" and didn't the investigation make profit?

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because without those people and their corrupt actions, the investigation would never have existed in the first place and we could have our 22 months and 40 million dollars back.

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Then why did you guys continue to call the investigation corrupt even after they were gone?

Because it contains bad words about Trump and obstruction of justice...

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I don’t believe that, but this nonsense of investigating one political party is over and done with.

Trump just said he was going to investigate the democrats...its far from over unfortunately...

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except that all the corrupt FBI people were fired or quit months ago.

Then why did you guys continue to call the investigation corrupt even after they were gone?

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except that all the corrupt FBI people were fired or quit months ago. They should get their day in a court room soon enough.

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 their hatred of the President compromised any impartiality on their part to do a clean and fair investigation. Muellers a republican chosen by republicans to run the investigation, or you think Trump should have chosen his own man to investigate him .. LMFAO

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I have no problem with the conservative party investigating the democrats. I don't think its necessarily Trump's best move,

And neither is Nadler and the House Democrats trying to continue this charade.

but if that's what he wants to do, he should go for it.

I agree on that with the Democrats as well. If they want to go the road of 2010 and 2014 so be it.

I also have no problem with liberals continuing to investigate Trump.

Hey, at this point, neither do I. I guess one black eye isn’t enough.

Neither side cares about America anymore. They'll do what they want.

I don’t believe that, but this nonsense of investigating one political party is over and done with. Now imagine if it were Obama and you had 15 angry conservatives go after him, the liberal media would never stay silent. The condemnation would be so severe. Lindsey Graham will hold hearings and we shall see. Democrats want transparency and so do Republicans and now it’s the Dems turn to answer questions and coming soon.

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Even if the Mueller report is accurate doesn’t resolve the negative criticism surrounding him and his angry Democrat lawyer posse.

oh OK Muellers report isnt accurate, then its possible the FBI is corrupt and is covering the collusion with Trump and Russia. or are we going on a cherry picking rampage and just believe what we want in Muellers report and dump the rest.

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wasnt Mueller your guy? I mean, he was "coming" and all. you know all the cute memes with him in the mirror, things are closer than they appear, its Mueller time! and all the ones with him and Trump in an orange jumpsuit. remember those? you know, liberals even got tattoos of Mueller.

So what happened to your guy? didnt get the result you wanted so now you want to investigate him too?

The FBI and DOJ people involved in the dirty dossier and this witch hunt investigation and who lied to congress or the FISA court have no credibility, thats correct. Which unfortunately has a negative effect on the entire FBI/DOJ. Which is why those involved must be indicted and punished where it is appropriate.

Were all these people simply wrong or was all of this an intentional political hit job thats the next question. We were told Carter Page is a Russian spy. Hes not, right?

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Muellers report isnt accurate? thats a new one.

Anyone that now thinks the report is inaccurate is high. Barr's decision however, I dunno. Seems like agreed with Mueller that Trump obstructed justice, but doesn't want to do anything about it.

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oh so were still attacking the FBIs credibility yet also agreeing Muellers report is accurate!?

Even if the Mueller report is accurate doesn’t resolve the negative criticism surrounding him and his angry Democrat lawyer posse. The FBI or mainly the top echelon of the Department were corrupt as sin, not the majority though, but these top officials are rightly gone, their hatred of the President compromised any impartiality on their part to do a clean and fair investigation.

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Can we all agree that Mueller is a credible investigator?

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Neither is Trump despite all the feeding frenzy taking place, but it’s good to put these people on the witness stand and to see what they know, when they knew it and why? If nothing comes out like in Trump’s case, then that should be the push going forward, if not, then we go deeper and if anyone is responsible, they should be held accountable. If the liberals can open up investigations, so can the conservatives and they will.

I have no problem with the conservative party investigating the democrats. I don't think its necessarily Trump's best move, but if that's what he wants to do, he should go for it.

I also have no problem with liberals continuing to investigate Trump.

Neither side cares about America anymore. They'll do what they want.

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Muellers report isnt accurate? thats a new one.

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Bias was fine for all those people at the FBI, they said it’ in no way affected their job. Barr can simply use that same tactic

oh so were still attacking the FBIs credibility yet also agreeing Muellers report is accurate!?

cherry picking at its finest

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Yes, several of those people have been criminally referred for prosecution and I expect that number to increase exponentially once the FISA abuse report is completed. Those people lied to Congress and/or the FBI. Which was a big deal to liberals when people around Trump did it. But now its cool, I guess.

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Neither is Trump despite all the feeding frenzy taking place

Some of the Trump folk are in legal trouble, the only thing that happened to those people are lost jobs. So what? Anyone going to prison on the Hillary side? New York might still investigate the Trumps like when Donald lied about his billions (it seems he doesn't have all those billions like bill gates)

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No.

Neither is Trump despite all the feeding frenzy taking place, but it’s good to put these people on the witness stand and to see what they know, when they knew it and why? If nothing comes out like in Trump’s case, then that should be the push going forward, if not, then we go deeper and if anyone is responsible, they should be held accountable. If the liberals can open up investigations, so can the conservatives and they will.

I agree actually. I doubt we ever see the full report. Either enough info is released to satisfy house democrats, or they subpoena Mueller, in which case, I imagine it would be a closed hearing and the public would still be kept in the dark. I'm not sure most of the public would even actually be interested in reading the full report anyways regardless of if they say they are or not, nor would it make much sense to a lot of people.

I agree.

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Are any of them in legal trouble?

No.

Ahhh, and you won’t, we will NEVER get to see the full report, NEVER, so we can all get that out of our heads, however, they will release parts that are allowed under the law and what is acceptable for public consumption.

I agree actually. I doubt we ever see the full report. Either enough info is released to satisfy house democrats, or they subpoena Mueller, in which case, I imagine it would be a closed hearing and the public would still be kept in the dark. I'm not sure most of the public would even actually be interested in reading the full report anyways regardless of if they say they are or not, nor would it make much sense to a lot of people.

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Lynch, Lerner, Holder, Page, Strzok, Yates, Rice, Powers, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Clinton, Steele, Obama

What's going to happen to these people? They may be out of jobs? So what? They are still rich and/or have lots of opportunities - book deals, security jobs, consulting, seminars. Trump did it with his Trump University and so can they. Are any of them in legal trouble?

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If only. He's looking for vengeance now and has embraced the role of victim. 

He doesnt need to, as I have been predicting, the Democrats are doing quite well digging their own holes, now all they need to do is buy the flowers to plant. Of course Trump was the victim, but leave it to Graham to now look into and go deep what’s on the Dems side, so we shall see who’s responsible for this phony FISA warrant and how this fake dossier was written, more to come.

Lynch, Lerner, Holder, Page, Strzok, Yates, Rice, Powers, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Clinton, Steele, Obama, let’s see what they have to hide and say, let’s see how transparent these people are and then the American people can see who’s telling the truth and why these people tried to unseat a duly elected President.

Aye but we need to see the full report but it seems Mitch McConnell doesn't want that to happen.

Ahhh, and you won’t, we will NEVER get to see the full report, NEVER, so we can all get that out of our heads, however, they will release parts that are allowed under the law and what is acceptable for public consumption.

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Trump to reporters: "Release the whole report, nothing in it - I'm exonerated...."

Trump to his SECDEF: "I want a platoon of soldiers with flame throwers over at the DOJ ASAP - we're going to burn every last copy of that damn report before sundown..."

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Release it... or don't release it... either way the left wing media won't stop.

Don't release it, and the left wing media won't stop.

Do release it, and they may very well not stop. But they would be justified in not stopping, as not releasing the report would be stifling it, hiding something.

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The media's job is to report the truth or to try and get as close to it as allowed.

I agree with you on the first part. I think the 'getting as close to is as allowed' part is what's causing their pain right now. To me they're not looking tenacious and dogged. Desperate would be a better description.

Release the report. They'll surely find enough information to provide us with more 'bombshell' 'beginning of the end' 'watershed moment' headlines to last well into Trump's 2nd term.

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either way the left wing media won't stop. They're far too deep in this now. Their only option is to double down.

Only in the right's fevered imagination is there a left-wing media, let alone left voices animated by Russiagate. You want to know what the left thinks of this--good news, I'm left.

Read Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate, Matt Stoller, Matt Taibbi, Noam Chomsky, Doug Henwood. Many of whom have been smeared as Russian agents over the past couple of years by McCarthyite scum.

Read Jacobin, the most influential left-radical journal in the US: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/03/russiagate-donald-trump-mueller-report

What you should be saying is centrist media won't stop. Especially Fox-left MSNBC that is essentially a mouthpiece for the Clinton wing of the democratic party, which like all vampires, needs a stake through its heart.

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either way the left wing media won't stop. They're far too deep in this now. Their only option is to double down.

The media's job is to report the truth or to try and get as close to it as allowed. By not releasing the report (or certain tax returns) of course they will be more tenacious and dogged. I imagine even Fox will eventually have one or two rogue "reporters" calling for the release.

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House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif

Has he come up with any of the collusion evidence he says he has? It is a total joke that he is the House intelligence committee chairman. He should resign.

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Release it... or don't release it... either way the left wing media won't stop. They're far too deep in this now. Their only option is to double down.

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My ongoing effort to show that not all progressives are Russiagate lunatics:

Michael Tracey:

The people screaming "We must wait to see the Full Report!" are basically saying that Robert Mueller, whom they previously valorized as a glorious savior figure, would meekly submit to Bill Barr and let him squander two years of extremely intensive investigative work. Sure, OK!

Matt Stoller:

What Democrats really wanted from Mueller is evidence Clinton was a good candidate.

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How long is the MSM gonna milk this for click bait? It could give JT months of revenue. LOL

Well, let's start with the fact that the PotUS has not been exonerated on obstruction. This isn't the win you're looking for.

And his desperate spin to paint himself as some kind of American patriot and hero, after the indignity of the investigation ring hollow. Especially when you've still got a cadre of probes, which will hopefully look into Trump and his associates over such allegations like; tax fraud, phony charities, witness tampering, bank fraud, misuse of public money, money laundering, insurance fraud, conspiracy to defraud, influence peddling, sexual assault, giving aid and comfort to enemies of the US, incitement to violence, emoluments and so on.

So, by all means, if this be clickbait, I'm all for it.

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If America recently is trying to start a war with Russia, why would trump get their help. It is utter bad loser politics. How about Ziongate investigation? That would be interesting.

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Lolz and what has Trump done to prevent it? Even his own admin admits they're woefully unprepared for the next elections.

It's messed up logic anyways. Obama didn't do anything, which ended up being a mistake that benefited Trump. Um, ok? What exactly are you whining about? That Obama made something we consider to be a mistake? I have a hard time thinking of it as a mistake. Had Obama interfered in the election process, and Trump won, imagine the outrage from the right (and to be fair, rightfully so).

It's weird that they keep bringing up this logic.

But it's also entirely irrelevant to the fact that Trump being a sleazy human being has ended up being unqualified to be president, due to everyone getting hung up on how sleazy he is. Electing him to office was a huge mistake by the Trumpets, and the country is suffering as a result. If he weren't a sleazeball, if he hadn't done all these things that looked so bad, he wouldn't have been investigated by the FBI for two years, tying up his ability to govern.

A qualified leader knows this, and either they're not sleazy, or they're way better at hiding it than Trump has been. Either way, more qualified than him.

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I think I get what you're saying. If I understand what you're saying, he's not saying that making the accusation is treason, he's saying that such an accusation is equal to treason in and of itself, not through the making of it. Is that correct?

Yes, exactly that!

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Mueller bottled it and left the situation worse with this fairytale of a report resolving nothing.

We don't know that. None of us have seen the report yet. All we have is Trump's pawn reading it in private, and telling us all to carry on.

The rest of us know nearly nothing more about Mueller's findings than we did a week ago. A few small quotes does not a multi-page report make.

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There is one indisputable fact: Barack Obama was president of the US when the Russians were attacking our political system. He was in charge of the intelligence agencies charged with preventing this. And he did absolutely nothing to prevent it.  This failure is all on Obama--he owns it.

Lolz and what has Trump done to prevent it? Even his own admin admits they're woefully unprepared for the next elections.

And you know why he wasn't so vocal leading up to elections- Trumpies would have screeched about how Obama put his hand on the scale.

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You'll get no complaints about being pedantic from me. Being pedantic is basically what about 90% of my posts are.

I think I get what you're saying. If I understand what you're saying, he's not saying that making the accusation is treason, he's saying that such an accusation is equal to treason in and of itself, not through the making of it. Is that correct?

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And the President agrees with you.

Well, that's what he says publicly. I seriously doubt he wants it released.

Unfortunately, even if it is released in it's entirety, that won't be the end of it.

Yes and no. If he really hasn't done anything wrong, I think we can trust in Mueller that it was a thorough investigation. So it's fine to leave the investigation behind. Sometimes it's hard to make prosecution under the law. But it's not like suddenly we're going to think 'wow, Trump's awesome'. I mean, he's clearly incompetent as a president. So no, criticism of the man will continue. Remember, Obama was awesome for eight years and the right screamed birtherism. The right decided that's how politics was to be, and that's how politics now is.

But if the report doesn't get released, it will definitely be something that the left doesn't shut up about, probably indefinitely. It's not like we can suddenly move forward just because Trump's pawn read the report in private and said 'the report says he's ok, carry on'. People aren't just going to carry on.

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I'm not understanding your explanation. How are those two things different?

A bit technical perhaps, but let me attempt to explain a different way: You accuse me of being an agent of a foreign. If true, I would be be a traitor. That doesn't however, make the accuser guilty of treason.

Look again at the full quote:

They are literally, the media and Democrats have called the president an agent of a foreign government. That is an accusation equal to treason, which is punishable by death in this country,”

"That is an accusation that is equal to,.." not "making that accusation is equal to treason."

Small and pedantic as it may be, I feel it's important to point this out, lest our Trump friends accuse the media of bias.

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Mueller bottled it and left the situation worse with this fairytale of a report resolving nothing.As indecisive as British pols with Brexit.But then, if I had a literal gun to my or my family's head by foreign agents,I'd most likely appease them. But America has been compromised in no uncertain manner.That cannot be denied.

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@Strangerland: pristine President? no such person ever walked the face of the earth...ever.

Obama.

And by the way, if your boss is a liar, crazy and a cheat I suggest you quit that job...

If you have an employee who is a liar, crazy, and a cheat, I suggest you fire them, as their indiscretions will only end up in having to deal with a lot of problems as a result.

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@Strangerland: pristine President? no such person ever walked the face of the earth...ever. And by the way, if your boss is a liar, crazy and a cheat I suggest you quit that job...

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Well no, it's more like:

"The report said that there was no collusion."

"Ok, show us so we can see that"

And the President agrees with you. Unfortunately, even if it is released in it's entirety, that won't be the end of it.

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It's like going to the office everyday and telling your coworkers that the boss is crazy, a bigot, a liar and a cheat. How long would you last on that job???

It's like going to the office every day where your boss is crazy, a bigot, a liar, and a cheat. How long should he be protected in his position even though he clearly isn't qualified to be in it?

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I don't like Trump, but the Witch hunt is over. No collusion.

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Meanwhile, millions search for jobs, need health-care, languish in poverty, etc, infrastructure is crumbling, etc, etc.

Exactly. It's the exact reason why presidents need to be pristine to hold the office. If they are slimy, they get tied up in defending their sliminess, instead of properly running the country. The Trumpets really messed up on this one.

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"The report said that there was no collusion."

"The report lies!"

And we start all over. What a waste.

Well no, it's more like:

"The report said that there was no collusion."

"Ok, show us so we can see that"

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It begs the question: what did we elect these politicians to do? Represent their constituents to work for better healthcare, jobs, improved infrastructure, etc. or just try and degrade the President with lies and smears. It's like going to the office everyday and telling your coworkers that the boss is crazy, a bigot, a liar and a cheat. How long would you last on that job???

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Meanwhile, millions search for jobs, need health-care, languish in poverty, etc, infrastructure is crumbling, etc, etc.

Give it up Washington and media and get on with actually governing and reporting real news.

What a sordid mess.

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"The report said that there was no collusion."

"The report lies!"

And we start all over. What a waste.

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Releasing the full report to Congress is the only way to move forward. As long as the Republicans suppress the report, the longer this is going to hold up everything.

If Trump truly was exonerated, then there is nothing to worry about from the report. Be transparent about it, so we can all see that he was clearly exonerated, then we can move forward and he can preside. But that can't happen as long as the Republicans are suppressing the results of the investigation.

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We may not like the President, but we need him to seriously do his job and stop worrying about what everyone is saying.

If only. He's looking for vengeance now and has embraced the role of victim.

Still, the investigation was needed and it’s over.

Aye but we need to see the full report but it seems Mitch McConnell doesn't want that to happen.

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Id love to see it. Let's see that obstruction evidence.

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While he wasn’t exonerated, evidence to bring criminal charges against Trump was lacking. So from a legal standpoint, Trump is okay. However, legal offenses and impeachable offenses are much different things.

Remember, Clinton having sexual relations in the white house was not a legal offense. It was however, an impeachable offense.

Still, the investigation was needed and it’s over. We may not like the President, but we need him to seriously do his job and stop worrying about what everyone is saying.

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To be fair, I don't read her comment as saying accusing the president of being a foreign agent is treason. She is saying the accusation is equal to treason, not the act of making that accusation.

I'm not understanding your explanation. How are those two things different?

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My point was purely this. Mueller found nothing that would support a criminal charge of obstruction.

We still don't know that. We haven't seen the report. It's been clear he wasn't exonerated, it may be that the report simply left the decision to prosecute up to the justice department, or any number of other possibilities. That cannot logically be concluded to mean that Mueller 'found nothing'.

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Think about that, for a moment. Political opponents and the media are being threatened with the death penalty for the investigation and reporting on it.

To be fair, I don't read her comment as saying accusing the president of being a foreign agent is treason. She is saying the accusation is equal to treason, not the act of making that accusation.

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This would be a facepalm, if it wasn't so entirely scary.

It is extremely scary and signals open season on Trump critics, the media and Democrats.

This will not end well.

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erm, no. I think it is a fair point to ask just how much Barr/Trump interfered in the investigation. Let's look at a couple of the facts:

1) Trump stated he never would have nominated Sessions if he would have known Sessions would recuse himself.

2) Trump fired Sessions.

3) He nominated Barr.

4) Barr wrote a piece last year, claiming there never should have been a special counsel.

5) A month after being confirmed, the SC is wrapped up.

6) The SC is funded through the end of the year.

What a coincidence!? Trump gets an AG doesn't believe there ever should have been an SC and like magic, its gone.

So, no. Its not over with. Especially when you take into fact we still haven't seen the Mueller report.

I never said it was over. I just said that there is a difference between the law and politics.

All of the points you raise are political arguments and tying together numerous things to try to create a narrative of possible something by Trump.

My point was purely this. Mueller found nothing that would support a criminal charge of obstruction. That is the end of it in terms of criminal charges from Mueller. Pure and simple. The idea that Mueller would have wrapped this up and not recommended charges if there were, in fact, a basis to recommend such criminal charges is ludicrous. Particularly given that much was made of Mueller's integrity and being a paragon of virtue.

Now, I accept the idea that those that oppose Trump and believe there is something amiss will continue to pursue those questions. And that is a political process. As is impeachment. Impeachment is not a criminal process, just a political process.

Just as much as the impeachment process of Clinton was a political process, although predicated upon him lying under oath in federal court.

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Think about that, for a moment. Political opponents and the media are being threatened with the death penalty for the investigation and reporting on it.

The right keeps on going on about the left wanting to silence free speech, yet they are entirely ok with the president threatening the death penalty for daring to report the news.

This would be a facepalm, if it wasn't so entirely scary.

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We demand the full report!!

“Ok”.

Dems: ummm what do we do now? Ummm “bias!” Or something....

We demand the full report

Ok

Shows Barr is clearly covering for Trump, as he was put in place to do.

Pubs: Umm, what do we do now? "NO COLLUSION!" or something.

Shall we have some more imaginary rhetoric?

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He even accused those responsible for launching it of "treasonous things against our country" and said they "certainly will be looked into."

Scary but not surprising. He feels vindicated and his courtiers will be whispering in his ear to do something.

For example

White House spokesman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Monday that media figures and Democrats who accused President Trump of working with Russia were guilty of treason — and could face the death penalty. “They are literally, the media and Democrats have called the president an agent of a foreign government. That is an accusation equal to treason, which is punishable by death in this country,” she said on NBC’s “Today” show.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/25/huckabee-sanders-mueller-probe-accusations-equal-to-treason/

Think about that, for a moment. Political opponents and the media are being threatened with the death penalty for the investigation and reporting on it.

Doesn't get much more grimmer than that. Whatever else happens, the Democrats and media must stand strong against this authoritarian administration. Oh, and the full report needs releasing.

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Well, unless the idea is to conduct a smear campaign in the court of public opinion, based on innuendo and half-truths. Which is not about the law, but about politics.

erm, no. I think it is a fair point to ask just how much Barr/Trump interfered in the investigation. Let's look at a couple of the facts:

1) Trump stated he never would have nominated Sessions if he would have known Sessions would recuse himself.

2) Trump fired Sessions.

3) He nominated Barr.

4) Barr wrote a piece last year, claiming there never should have been a special counsel.

5) A month after being confirmed, the SC is wrapped up.

6) The SC is funded through the end of the year.

What a coincidence!? Trump gets an AG doesn't believe there ever should have been an SC and like magic, its gone.

So, no. Its not over with. Especially when you take into fact we still haven't seen the Mueller report.

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Barr's summary says this:

while this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Just to be clear, this was specifically with respect to potential obstruction of justice, not collusion. The report is clear with respect to collusion, or, rather, the absence thereof.

As for the obstruction of justice point, if a prosecutor is unable to prosecute a crime, that is the end of it is far as a prosecutor. And if there is no crime to prosecute, then case closed.

Well, unless the idea is to conduct a smear campaign in the court of public opinion, based on innuendo and half-truths. Which is not about the law, but about politics.

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Bias was fine for all those people at the FBI, they said it’ in no way affected their job. Barr can simply use that same tactic, the Peter Strzok maneuver let’s call it.

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We demand the full report!!

“Ok”.

Dems: ummm what do we do now? Ummm “bias!” Or something....

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@wolfpak We also need Mueller to testify publicly about his exoneration of the President 

Barr's summary says this:

while this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

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I agree that the document needs to be made public in thd interests of transparency - assumming it does not compromise the secrecy of grand jury investigation, confidentisl sources and methods, and on going investifgations. We also need Mueller to testify publicly about his exoneration of the President and decision that he did not have evidence to prosecute on obstruction.

How about Rep Schiff provide full transparency as well and provide his proof of Trumps Russia collusion. Mueller could have used it last week.

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