Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse

We Suck but not as bad as they do. Hahahahaha.

"Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse."

Heh, only a conservative would find their temperature rising when they read this.

Sensible Americans and the rest of the world have known this for years.

Looking forward to yet another bad election for the GOP.

Interesting democrat strategy: We have accomplished nothing since taking control in 2007 other than ignoring the wishes of the American voters. Now they are now asking those same voters to keep the status quo.

Too funny.

RR

Heh, only a conservative would find their temperature rising when they read this.

Heh, far from it. The democrats know their political lynching is now less than 50 days away. Vote against the desires of those who elected you to office and enjoy retirement.

RR

O'Donnell comes out nowhere and whips an established GOP and yet she is too whacky to get elected. It's events like this that are seriously bad news for the GOP. Add to that Our Sarah has just said she may run for president in 2012. Many Dems have been salvitating at this prospect for years. Heh, despite the misguided enthusiasm of some conservatives, it's looking worse for the GOP almost by the week. However, I can understand that if a conservative follows Fox, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. why they would think the GOP is going to win big. Encouraging, perhaps, just a shame about the disconnect with reality.

The greater a conservative's enthusiasm for a major GOP win, the bigger their dissconnect with reality. That much is clear at this point in the race.

"We suck but not as bad as they do"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Too funny!

if this isnt a call for a new third party, I don't know is.

Democratic candidates want to convince these voters that no matter how much they hate the status quo, they would be worse off under a Republican Party that hasn’t learned from its mistakes and is lurching ever harder to the right.

So then maybe the answer is that not only should we not vote for the republican party we should not vote for the democrat party, maybe its time both you guys be sidelined and we allow new parties to take power.

Jimmy Carter redux.

Not the most positive of messages, but a well known fact for those with any brains.

skipthesong: "if this isnt a call for a new third party, I don't know is."

Agreed. But unfortunately when the race is so close between the two no one wants to allow the worse of the two evils (the GOP) in.

You may hate us, but GOP is worse

Always such a winning campaign strategy. Just ask John Kerry.

The Lib criminals of both parties are finally getting kicked to the curb. Time to crack down on these "banks" and the private Federal Reserve Cartel also. Enough is enough and hopefully we can incarcerate a few of these criminals in the Fema camps they set up for US.

Look what Obama has done to his wretched party. Hope and Change is telling voters that though you may hate us we are better than the other side? There are now reports from WH insiders that the president is starting to lose it. http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/

"It’s really very strange. I mean, we were all led to believe that this guy was some kind of intellectual giant, right? Ivy League and all that. Well, that is not what I saw. Barack Obama doesn’t have a whole lot of intellectual curiosity. When he is off script, he is what I call a real “slow talker”.

"Everything was handed to him. He doesn’t really understand the idea of work – real, hard, get your heart and soul into it work. And frankly, that is very disappointing to a whole lot of us…"

Libs in NYC, San Fran, DC and the socialists of Chicago will still vote Dem, but you might as well stick a fork in Obama because he is done.

Boy this sure has angered the GOP fans in the room. :) and rightly so, since they know what the Dems are saying is absolutely true -- particularly with their Tea-party friends being thrown into the mix.

The Tea Party movement is the third party in US politics.

"Even before Christine O’Donnell handily defeated Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) in an epic upset Tuesday night, the Tea Parties, all of them, had already won. No matter what happens in the midterm elections on Nov. 2, the Tea Party has moved the Democrats to the right and the Republicans even more so, and President Obama’s agenda is dead." ( "Tea Party’s already won" ) By A.B. Stoddard - 09/15/10

MisterCreosote, that's pretty funny consdering the slight-of-right has always been the middle ground in the States, so according to the qute, the Dems are moving into just the right place.

Sorry, 'slightly-right-of-center.'

The only question is - - how big will the tea party movement get? Like so many American political developments, trends and institutions it is only a matter of time till it goes international.

The only question is - - how big will the tea party movement get?" My brother has joined on a Hispanic tea party and you know, if enough of us get involved, as we are neither con or lib but the majority of us are very much into America (something the media doesn't report), you know it'll be big.

I really think if the power is moved over to us, we really could fix America. go marco

I really think if the power is moved over to us, we really could fix America. go marco

Couldn't agree more. Rubio is the kind of candidate the establishment dread. And he drives the identity politics people and pundits crazy.

@sushisake3 - you know a little about American politics, but surely you have much more insight into tea party - type movements in your native Oz. Why the reluctance to just give me a link? Why so touchy?

Dems are between a rock and a hard place. Voters are unforgiving and angry because the fire rages and Dems have not put it out. And the irrational state of anger may well lead them to putting back into power the very people who started the fire in the first place! Duh! How quickly people forget! The only positive message would be a lie. And such lies are a Republican trait, not a Democrat one.

Obama has done a good job on several fronts. Our image in the world has improved. He is not letting up on the rich, the only people who have a chance in hell of reducing our national debt. He has kept many more of his promises that W. But most of all he has not started any stupid crap like W. My main problem with Obama is bailouts, but W did the same thing! So the Dem leader looks good.

As for Dems in general, what have they done? I don't know, maybe not much. But better them the ones who messed the country up. There is no third choice so I would go with the Dems. And if you really care, do that and get politically active. We can't trust politicians of either side, but we can only trust Republicans to make the same messes they did under W.

I hope the dems get trounced.

MisterCreosote - "you know a little about American politics, but surely you have much more insight into tea party - type movements in your native Oz."

I didn't know Australia had a "tea party - type movement." Maybe you know something I don't, or perhaps you're just making things up? :-)

Obama has done a good job on several fronts. Our image in the world has improved.

The left-leaning media of Europe and Canada and the state-serving media of places like Saudi Arabia and Syria say our image has improved. That is all. It is self-congratulation with the former (like many of the non Americans here who imagined their posts changed minds, helped elect a black man president of the most powerful nation on earth) and self-serving with the other. Africa had no better friend than Bush. Even the Hollywood libs agree on this.Bush's highest approval ratings were in India - - world's most populous democracy.

MistWizard - good post. Pity the majority of conservatives can't see reality as clearly like you do.

MisterC - what ae "Hollywood libs."

Is that a term you just pulled out of thin air to further your misguided anti-liberal agenda?

I imagine it is.

I didn't know Australia had a "tea party - type movement."

Well,sushisake, if they don't I am confident there is one in the making. You can't hold people back, not with the net and social networks and the huge leaps the private sector has made in productivity these last few decades. Centralized government and even worse central planning are now seen for what they are - unnecessary, illiberal and retrograde. Even so, you should still be proud of your country.

I didn't know Australia had a "tea party - type movement." Maybe you know something I don't, or perhaps you're just making things up? :-)

Australia doesn't have a Tea Party umbrella that I know of-- but some Ron Paul-ites and assorted End-time bible-teers like David Clarke of NSW.

The only question is - - how big will the tea party movement get?" My brother has joined on a Hispanic tea party and you know, if enough of us get involved, as we are neither con or lib but the majority of us are very much into America (something the media doesn't report), you know it'll be big.

I wish they become bigger and more diverse-- good luck!

Africa had no better friend than Bush. Even the Hollywood libs agree on this.

Even the Hollywood libs like Sean Penn, Mia Farrow?

Africa had no better friend than Bush. Even the Hollywood libs agree on this.Bush's highest approval ratings were in India - - world's most populous democracy.

The Millennium Challenge Corporation is George BUSH's most formidable legacy in international relations-- certainly one that could alleviate poverty in depressed economies of the Third World. Unfortunately, not a lot of people associate GW with MCC, but on another thing. Shame :(

MisterC - "Centralized government and even worse central planning are now seen for what they are - unnecessary, illiberal and retrograde."

Except when a natural disaster strikes your state - then you'll be crying out for central government planning and your hypocrisy will be exposed just like that of all the other conservatves who only want small government until they need big governmet to save them, give them food and bottled water and give them money to rebuild their houses.

I'm guessing that's the kind of conervative you are, a kind of "sunny day conservative."

Oh, and I'm not sure what your interest is with Australia, but best to leave that to a thread where it's actually relevant, eh? :-)

Is that a term you just pulled out of thin air to further your misguided anti-liberal agenda?

I am a liberal,sushisake3. In the classic sense. I believe in the individual, in liberty, in property rights, free speech. You, apparently, are fixated on equal outcomes, redistribution, censorship and other pernicious 'progressive' nonsense.

There is a reason why any really good book on US politics is careful to make the distinction between the modern American left's corruption of the term by recounting the pedigree of ideas and thinkers associated with Classical Liberalism. Please do yourself a favor and get acquainted with the history of classical liberalism.

SushiSake3 said: MistWizard - good post. Pity the majority of conservatives can't see reality as clearly like you do.

Thanks. But I think there are plenty on both sides who will choose pretty GOP lies to Democrats toeing the line between honesty and popularity. It say that because we both know total honesty is political suicide in any case. Most voters are children really.

there are plenty on both sides who will choose pretty GOP lies

Strengthen your case by providing a few examples if u would. And make them state level questions. "All politics is local." What are the key state issues where u live or are from?

Strengthen your case by providing a few examples if u would. And make them state level questions. "All politics is local."

You'd hope so, would yah... because the fate of Michelle Rhee in DC should be read as ominous for anyone ramming change, esp. in the national level, and that would include the Tea Party.

Good luck to them nevertheless =/

MistWizard: "Voters are unforgiving and angry because the fire rages and Dems have not put it out. And the irrational state of anger may well lead them to putting back into power the very people who started the fire in the first place! Duh! How quickly people forget!"

You are CORRECT, sir! (Ed McMahon voice). This is what a lot of us predicted before Obama was elected -- that he would win by a landslide, as he did, but that bush had actually been devious enough to screw the country up SO BADLY, and take it from a surplus to the worst economic crisis in decades, that there would be no possible way the Dems could clean up the mess in four years that the fickle public would vote the GOP in again next election cycle. Your comment seems to mirror those predictions.

You are CORRECT, sir! (Ed McMahon voice). This is what a lot of us predicted before Obama was elected -- that he would win by a landslide, as he did, but that bush had actually been devious enough to screw the country up SO BADLY, and take it from a surplus to the worst economic crisis in decades, that there would be no possible way the Dems could clean up the mess in four years that the fickle public would vote the GOP in again next election cycle. Your comment seems to mirror those predictions.

Well sounds like if they couldn't come up with better strategy then.....err.....getting themselves elected and into power after Bush knowing full well that were not going to be able to succeed from the devious and evil Bush and his henchmen legacy. That maybe they should have encouraged people to vote for McCain instead. Then after he failed because he would have pursued totally different policies than the one they did to fix the economy ( no porkulus stimulis plan, no Obama care). They could really then clean house in 2012 by completely showing how discredited those policies where, and then keep themselves as the party in power for generations.

Guess they really blew it big time on this one. Not to smart Dems should've done what I did so you can't blame me.....I voted for McCain.

McCain was and still is a failure. I guess you still think he's somehow a "hero."

I'm hoping it'll be a Palin-Beck ticket for 2010.

Beck has said 'no,' which in conservative-speak means 'damn right I'm running.'

Our Sarah has said something..but as usual, it doesn't make a helluva lot of sense. The person who writes Our Sarah's twitter messages needs to do a better job at editing. :-)

You may hate us, but GOP is worse

It is so bad for the Democrat Left that there are commercials running in some states where Dems are now trying to pose as Republicans.

MisterCreosote - "It is so bad for the Democrat Left."

You can't get much more out of touch than that.

You can't get much more out of touch than that.

I agree. Which is why I posted what I did. How desperate is the situation for the Democrat Party if some of them are running as anything but Democrats? None of them want Obama or Pelosi to appear with them. None of them are on the campaign trail trying to take credit for Obamacare, in fact there is talk of repealing it now. What an amazing turnaround, and credit must go to ordinary Americans - and the tea party participants, the overwhelming majority of whom were probably never that active in politics. It's brilliant. Makes me very, very proud of my country. You obviously share my enthusiasm, or you wouldn't have ten posts on the outcome of a primary in little old Delaware.I hope the same movement springs up in your native Australia , in Canada and Europe, and most of all Japan. So much of the hardware of the tech revolution that enables this political revolution - the computers and the digital cameras,etc - comes from Japan. I like to tell my J-friends this and thank them for the contribution.

I just don't vote

Sushi: "McCain was and still is a failure."

Sushi couldn't hold McCain's jockstrap.

MisterC - "How desperate is the situation for the Democrat Party if some of them are running as anything but Democrats?"

"I hope the same movement springs up in your native Australia.."

I've got to say I really admire your creative imagination.

If I could make up stuff like that out of thin air, I'd probably be Chief Communications Officer for the GOP.

"I just don't vote"

Then you have no say in what happens.

MisterCreosote,

None of them are on the campaign trail trying to take credit for Obamacare,

You also might be interested in this.

Democratic candidates are spending three times more advertising against the health reform law than they are in support of it.

Since the beginning of Congress’s August recess, Democratic candidates have poured $930,000 into ads deriding the health overhaul but just $300,000 in pro-reform spots, according to Evan Tracey at Kantar Media.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42257.html

I can see November from my house and the view is pretty fantastic I have to say.

Politico had this:

"Health care? A total of 279 House and Senate Democrats voted for ObamaCare. Not one is running an ad touting that vote. How can they, given headlines about Medicare cuts and premium hikes? You will, however, find a growing catalogue of ads such as this one from Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil: 'As a career prosecutor, I made decisions on facts, not politics,' and that's why 'I voted against . . . the health-care bill.'"

Sarge - "Sushi couldn't hold McCain's jockstrap."

I don't think anyone would want to.

Face it. The election will primarily be about how rich Americans feel today and to hell with the bills. And Superman himself could not have fixed the economy in the 2 and half years Obama has had the presidency. In fact, nobody can fix the economy. That is all luck. All the government can do is not mess it up. I cannot say the government under Obama is any worse on that score than Bush. But at least under the Dems we are more fixed on cleaning up messes than we were under Bush and his cabal, who only created the messes.

It is funny, isn't it saiilwind. Establishment Repubs like Karl Rove have been bashed this week by nearly all of the writers and bloggers featured on the new media sites I visit. He came out against ODonnell with more contempt than he has has ever shown for Obama or Pelosi. He is now suddenly seen as not much different than an establishment Democrat, just another Beltway insider, a guy who just wants the same old shell game. I get the impression a lot of hard core Leftists are so unsettled by the tea party candidates that they are ready to side with Rove.

I guess we will have to ask sushisake, smithisjapan and some of the other progressives here: Do you suddenly feel closer to Karl Rove? Does Rove, with his dismissal of the tea party movement, appear much more sensible to you? Could you imagine yourself in 2004 or 2003 ever harboring such thoughts?

Face it. The election will primarily be about how rich Americans feel today and to hell with the bills.

Why can't you get specific? Who are these rich that you speak of? 250 grand/yr is not that much. Taxing these people will mean cutbacks on hiring, since most of them are small business owners and or the kind of people who marketers recognize spend way more than the rest of us in our massively expanded service economy.

What line of work are/were you in the States? I know all kinds of couples at 250g/yr. Some go higher, many slide back down.

MisterCreosote: It's interesting that you keep trying to bring up Australia in an attempt to undermine Sushi's posts, which are far more down-to-earth and relevant than most of yours. There are a number of Republicans that have appeared on this site in the past who used to constantly try to claim that non-Americans can't have opinions on American politics (on a Japanese news site! haha!) when said Republican posters had nothing valuable to contribute to the discussion, but in the end they always proved that an outside POV can prove to be more in-depth and correct that people on the inside who are too blind to see the facts. You are proving that yet again with your posts, particularly over the past few days.

Fact of the matter is that, again, while it's not the best advertising to say you are the lesser of two evils, at least they are being frank and stating the truth, unlike all the lies and BS the GOP and their tea-baggers are spewing.

Still, one of the best moments in the exchange between you and Sushi is when he says "You can't get much more out of touch than that", in regard to what you posted ("Democratic-left") and you say, "I agree". That was classic!

MisterCreosote said: Why can't you get specific? Who are these rich that you speak of? 250 grand/yr is not that much.

There is no hard and fast answer, but anyone who knows beans about business will tell you that any small business making that much profit for its owners is cream of the crop and can afford an increase in taxes. 250 thousand is EIGHT TIMES what I make a year. If I can afford to pay the RIDICULOUS taxes I pay, they still got it easy by a WIDE margin.

What line of work are/were you in the States?

I left the States with a business degree. Hardly worked there at all. Don't tell me: you value one man's anecdotes over general knowledge of business right? Unless of course my anecdotes delivered the same results then you would ask my major, right? You are just going to say anything, and we all know that. You hope to score points for the GOP by means of any sort of positive message. You won't talk about the bills in election time. Yeah, we noticed.

People need to understand this has very little to do with Obama -and McCain would have probably done worse.

This is about a change in the political system. =Both parties are dying since they take no responsibility for their actions and the media/Libs/banks are trying to save them. But when you are asked to sign bills (that are literally thrown at you at the last minute written by special interests) that you have never read ---> all of these politicians are just fronts (faces) for their handlers.

The American people are waking up just as the crooks have stolen 90+% of the wealth.

all of these politicians are just fronts (faces) for their handlers.

Can we, just once, put names and faces on these shadowy 'handlers'?

Taxing these people will mean cutbacks on hiring,

Cutbacks in hiring are a definite possibility. You have to wonder by how much, though...

since most of them are small business owners

Well, only if your definition of "most" is the 2 or 3 percent or so of tax filers that report small business income that are actually affected by the tax increase. Are you familiar with the findings of the Joint Committee on Taxation?

MisterCreosote: "Can we, just once, put names and faces on these shadowy 'handlers'?"

Maybe they're the crazy Aussies you keep referring to when you don't want to address the topic. I'm looking forward to your response to MistWizard's post, personally. Or a genuine response to mine would work, too. My guess... you can't; same reason you guys never appeal to anyone but the mindless sheep who don't know better than to vote against their own best interests in choosing the GOP.

Moderator: Readers, please stop this childish sniping at each other.

Badsey has a point when s/he says: "Both parties are dying since they take no responsibility for their actions and the media/Libs/banks are trying to save them. But when you are asked to sign bills (that are literally thrown at you at the last minute written by special interests) that you have never read ---> all of these politicians are just fronts (faces) for their handlers."

I propose line veto power for presidents, the ability of a majority in Congress to eject an under-performing president like bush, and some kind of a penalty system for political hacks who spew obvious untruths.

That would pretty much put the entire GOP out of business, if the sheer stupidity of their members doesn't do it first....

Oh yeah, and before anyone beats me to it - I admit I am not an American, therefore - apparently to some - my opinions on U.S. political issues are not as relevant as an Americans's who has no clue whatsoever about U.S. politics.

That makes sense - hang on - flying pig!

Shot it. :-)

Watching Alexandra Pelosi's documentary of the 2008 campaign trail -- Right America: Feeling Wronged, -- no one can escape the conclusion that there was a lot of hatred in the air well before the election of Barack Obama.

The Tea Party is the hard right wing's way of not letting a GOP-caused economic crisis go to waste: Keep the level of hatred of President Obama and the Democrats up, without offering any specific policy proposals. (At least none that independent analysis would agree would effectively tackle the problems.)

That is why today's GOP is just so pathetic. They've got absolutely nothing to offer America besides tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and nativist attacks on immigrants.

I propose line veto power for presidents, the ability of a majority in Congress to eject an under-performing president like bush or obama

Line item veto and term limits are in the Tea Party "Contract From America" .

no one can escape the conclusion that there was a lot of hatred in the air well before the election of Barack Obama.

No one in the Identity politics crowd.

Obama is irrelevant to many of us. He is toxic. Dems are running from the guy. I guess that makes them 'racists'.

That is why today's GOP is just so pathetic.

The establishment GOP is largely with you on the desperate need to denigrate and dismiss the tea party movement. Just hit a few of the more prominent conservative sites.

yabits - "That is why today's GOP is just so pathetic. They've got absolutely nothing to offer America besides tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and nativist attacks on immigrants."

That makes me think - MisterCreosote - what does the GOP have to offer?

Oh, besides their trademark hatred, bitterness and venom.

Oh, besides their trademark hatred, bitterness and venom.

Lies. Don't forget the lies.

If they vowed to scrupulously tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, they wouldn't get anywhere.

I propose line veto power for presidents, the ability of a majority in Congress to eject an under-performing president like bush, and some kind of a penalty system for political hacks who spew obvious untruths.

Line item veto is unconstitutional. Would need a constitutional amendment before it could be passed. And hell, if we're going to change the constitution, repealing the 17th Amendment, and passing an Amendment requiring a balanced budget would be a better way to go. Out of curiosity, would you be penalized, I mean since you are obviously a partisan hack, that goes around spewing untruths all over the place?

Oh, besides their trademark hatred, bitterness and venom.

Considering where all the hatred, bitterness, and venom is coming from, its amusing that you want to claim its a trademarke of Republicans. Thats all you hear from Dems. Come on, you spew it in every thread on politics, as you push your class warfare arguments, hating on everyone who disagrees with you.

Lies. Don't forget the lies.

Such as most open Presidency ever? Those kind of lies? Drain the swamp kind of lies? Or maybe, the lie that 'you'll be able to keep your old doctor' under Obamacare. Which kind of lies you want to discuss here? Ah, you want to make up some lies and claim they're from Republicans. Maybe the lie that Republicans are blocking all our efforts?

That is why today's GOP is just so pathetic. They've got absolutely nothing to offer America besides tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and nativist attacks on immigrants.

Yep, Republicans have No ideas. Forget all their suggestions on how to improve health care, how to fix various programs, forget their insistance that things be paid for, no ideas at all. Yet, Republicans are taking back the house on the promise of 1 idea. Not spending the money Dems want them to. The house controls the purse strings, if they don't allocate the money, the money doesn't get spent. That one idea, that one great brilliant idea, will undercut every single thing the Dems want to accomplish, that the American people don't want them to do. So yeah, call em the party of No. The party of No excessive spending, the party of No funding for Health care, the party of No new taxes. I'll take that over the Dems any day. So will most Americans. Only kool-aid drinking partisan hacks would think otherwise.

“All they are going to be feeding us is anger and resentment and not a lot of new ideas...

New ideas? Taking on more national debt isn’t new, but quadrupling it is. We don’t need a lot of new ideas, actually just one old idea that really works; a responsible government that is accountable to the people and doesn’t look to expand itself beyond its/our means.

Tea anyone? It may come as a surprise to the elite class of socialist engineers, both dems and republicrats, but all of us angry and resentful people are angry and resentfull for a reason. We don’t have the luxury of spending like no tomorrow for unsustainable utopian ideals. Come November, Barak Obama is not too big to fail.

Boy this sure has angered the GOP fans in the room. :) and rightly so, since they know what the Dems are saying is absolutely true -- particularly with their Tea-party friends being thrown into the mix.

I disagree, I would say they are just as bad as the republicans as a whole but they are different in how bad compared to the republicans.

The democrats are either running away from the things they did or they are running against the things they did. Heh, many a democrat is running against the Barack Hussein Obama Memorial Health Care Scam that they passed.

The American voter sees both liberal democrats and RINO republicans as the enemy.

RR

Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse

Heh, You can smell the fear in the democrats and their foreign lapdog supporters. Blaming Mr. Bush for everything didn't work. Calling Tea Partiers derogatory names didn't work. Now, it's like watching them busting holes in the bottom of a sinking ship to let the water out.

Too funny.

RR

Basically an argument here over whether orangutans or chimpanzees make better house guests. Pretty clear that the Republicans would trash the house really quickly, while the Democrats would take their time and trash it slowly.

But both parties run on a see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil platform. There is only one issue in America that matters, and that is the same one as in all industrial countries, and no politician has the answers, most of them don't even understand the question yet and the few that do pretend they don't because they don' want to freak everybody out. Uncle Rupert is certainly not going to let anybody talk about it on his comedy channel, and that right wing corporatist front man in the White House isn't going to either (that would be "radical left-wing socialist" to those who speak American). A quick skim of the comments here show that except for maybe one poster, nobody understands what the issue is either or even that it exists.

Maybe it really would be better to vote in the Tea Party and then Palin in '12 and get it over with quickly.

Uncle Rupert is certainly not going to let anybody talk about it on his comedy channel,

You know - - - this fatuous, fashionable but thoroughly stupid idea that a single cable network - which gets less than 5 percent of the electorate to watch a few of its info-tainers shout at their guests and call it "analysis" - controls or somehow shapes the debate in US politics is little more than the same abysmally shallow cynicism that "scientific" socialism elevated to the theory, laughably preposterous in any form, that the masses are trapped in their false consciousness. I literally laugh in the faces of the Canadians and Europeans I know in Japan who explain to me that since I am out of the States surely I can see for myself that Fox News ("Oh, you mean The Missing White Girl Network?") is evil incarnate because it like, brainwashes people.

Actually I don't think Fox News brainwashes people, I think they are just filling a market niche that they identified. I just chose Uncle Rupert because he is an easy target, I admit to that. But what Fox News does is the same as what all corporate media does, influence the way the issues are framed to suit the corporate interests, and if they are really good at it, send people off on wild goose chases about things that are of no importance.

Fact is that the only issue that matters is a verbotten topic in the corporate media, but everywhere on the internet. Ponzi America is dead. The moronic idea that started under Nixon, was the basis of Reaganomics, and was copied around the world - that economies can grow forever on the basis of an infinitely expanding supply of credit, and by definition expansion of the money supply, was surprise surprise a fraud. Guess what, they can't. Now things have gone into reverse and somebody's money has to disappear. Will it be the fake Ponzi rich, who got that way by having their noses in the credit trough and their mouths on the credit teat the last 40 years, or will it be the clueless masses who spent the last 40 years foolishly getting up in the morning and going to work.

Which side do you think Rupert and all the corporate media is on? Why do you think they work so hard to promote the idea that the issues are ideological and it matters which party is in power? Because they want the clueless masses to stay clueless. The USA and other countries have a simple choice. Return to fundamental democratic and capitalist principles (ie. banks that lose all their money go out of business) deflate the bubble and hit restart, letting the fake, Ponzi rich take the hit. Or let the "rich" keep control and power, in the end sinking the ship and taking everybody else down with them, either drip, drip, drip Japanese style, or in a sudden collapse.

Both the Republicans and Democrats chose option B. Murdoch chose B. They are all fully paid members of the fake Ponzi rich class. All of them are just trying to protect their interests and their money. Just don't expect them to tell you that.

Which side do you think Rupert and all the corporate media is on?

Showman Glen Beck goes on his show, mouths what his writers have basically stolen from Thomas Woods, Peter Schiff, Robert P Murphy and then discusses his encounter with the ideas of Hayek. The next day Road to Serfdom shoots to number one on Amazon and stays there for a week...

I really can't tell you which side Murdoch is on.

Democrats are making a mistake with this kind of thinking. All they need to do is create some kind of policy that can be linked to providing tangible help with the economy and they'll win in a landslide in 2 years. But they haven't.

The USA and other countries have a simple choice. Return to fundamental democratic and capitalist principles (ie. banks that lose all their money go out of business) deflate the bubble and hit restart, letting the fake, Ponzi rich take the hit. Or let the "rich" keep control and power, in the end sinking the ship and taking everybody else down with them, either drip, drip, drip Japanese style, or in a sudden collapse.

See, when you say this, you seem completely rational. Far from your insistence on Keynesian economic theory, of public spending and deficits. This I agree with.

Democrats are making a mistake with this kind of thinking. All they need to do is create some kind of policy that can be linked to providing tangible help with the economy and they'll win in a landslide in 2 years. But they haven't.

The havent, because they havent got the ability. Im not American, but it breaks my heart to see a once great nation going down the plughole under Obama, the worst president ever, and his Democratic Party. "Yes, we can" has become perhaps the worst political slogan of all time. Orwells "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" comes to mind as the REAL slogan of the American Democratic Party. If Obama and the Democrats continue on power for much longer, I think America will become a socialist dictatorship, if it hasn`t already.

Former President Bill Clinton said Sunday that the Tea Party movement “reflects the feeling of a lot of Americans that they’re getting the shaft,” but isn’t clear what it stands for.

The States is going to hell in a hand-basket: everybody hates everybody else and won't seek compromise in any shape or form. Obama tries his best and people crucify him for it. Once the Repubs take back the house the next two years will be the most acrimonious in US history since the Civil War. Hey U.S., lead by example, remember ?

After Bush senior term, US economy was terrible and messy. Unemployment population was booming too. The young, energentic and wise Mr Clition fixed the Bush senior mess. During his term US enjoyed the golden age of peace and prosperity. His only crime was having affair with the woman young enough to be his daughter. However no one died and US had low debt and low level of inflation.

When Bush junior inhertited the good economy and balanced budget, he spent and borrow the money like no more tommorrows. The legacy of Bush senior and junior was making US broke and rasing the highest level of debt. When Obama inherited his mess, he had not sufficient resources to fix it. He got a herculian task however he is so small.

Irag war alone causing a billon of dollar for a week and countless soliders death. After the global financial cris, the inverstors had lost the confience about US monetary policy and admin.

Sadly it will take many years to make the economy better and getting the well balanced budget.

You are CORRECT, sir! (Ed McMahon voice). This is what a lot of us predicted before Obama was elected -- that he would win by a landslide, as he did, but that bush had actually been devious enough to screw the country up SO BADLY, and take it from a surplus to the worst economic crisis in decades, that there would be no possible way the Dems could clean up the mess in four years that the fickle public would vote the GOP in again next election cycle. Your comment seems to mirror those predictions.

So you're pretty much admitting that the dems had no real plans that could remotely be effective in fixing the economic mess we find ourselves in? What kind of party faith is that?? To just throw up your hands and say 'the evil Bush screwed us up so bad that we can't begin to fix in four measly years' is hardly effective government nor the type that we need now. Being non-party affiliated, I look back at examples like FDR. I wouldn't necessarily agree with many of his policies and ideas, but damn it if the man didn't have a plan. By the time he was done with the WPA, the CCC and some other rather revolutionary ideas at least Americans felt something was happening and they were moving back from the abyss. The current president has done none of this except to force through unwanted legislation that most didn't read and that will hurt very many in the end. And spend. Wow. Liberal/Conservative/Independent - whatever. We need a President who has vision, imagination, intelligence and a workable plan, and someone who speaks for the common man no matter which party, not just his own supporters. In his day, when FDR died there was hardly a dry eye in the house, liberal or conservative for at least the man had a plan that actually accomplished something. Now we've devolved to 'we suck, but so do they..'. WTF

Now we've devolved to 'we suck, but so do they..'. WTF

HELLO right-wingers. Yes, the Democrats are indeed sucking at job creation and improving the economy because the rich and right-wingers like yourselves were tripping over themselves to ship EVERY flippin factory we had to China. How can there EVER be job creation without factories? Tell me that? Oh, yes, they might come back when the pay and the working conditions are worse than China's but who wants that. OH, OH, yes, you do!!! I forgot. So, really, the situation today was deliberately created by the wonderful businessmen and the rich who could give a flip about America. Time for the working man to stand up, get rid of these free trade deals--otherwise, indeed nothing will change, and you right-wingers can invite the worst of the worst like Beck, Palin, or name your looney, and he or she will STILL not bring about POSITIVE change because they are the puppets of the rich. You guys really kill me. Yeh, this free market nonsense--like the rich are going to have their BANKS and companies fail and lose out!?? WTF! There isn't any FREE market and there NEVER has been one, and NEVER will be one as long as there are rich people who are profiting from NOT having one! The ever increasing mergers today should at least show you THAT!

Tea party movement was originated from Boston. At that time, British empire was charging unfair tax to the tea industry of colony. The fearless, confident and determinded people kicked out the tea boxes and bags from the merchant ships. It was a direct changllenge to the never sun set empire. It was also a first wave of Independent movement for United States.

However current narrow minded tea party members are unlike our forefathers who struggled for fairness and independence. They are political opportunists and media chasers. Their fame will not last long like spring flowers.