Florida Gov DeSantis to expand 'Don't Say Gay' law to all grades

DeSantis is just a jerk.

That's bad for Florida, but good for the US because he'll never be president. He's too misanthropic and unlikeable.

Florida Gov Ron DeSantis ' administration is moving to forbid classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in all grades, expanding the controversial law critics call “Don't Say Gay” as the Republican governor continues a focus on cultural issues ahead of his expected presidential run.

De Santis's "reasoning" for the law in the first place was that it was "age inappropriate" to talk about such things. That was obviously a crock of .... I hope somebody sues and tests the constitutionality of this because it violates the 1st amendment.

Expect to see businesses leaving Florida.

DeSantis has leaned heavily into cultural divides on his path to an anticipated White House bid, with the Republican aggressively pursuing a conservative agenda that targets what he calls the insertion of inappropriate subjects in schools.

Notwithstanding their hypocrisy of trying to be arbiters of morality, the Republican culture was is just about distraction from their enablement of economic looting by their billionaire donors and persuading a voting bloc to vote against their own economic best interests and for those of the .01%.

Still no editing here but the above should obviously read "Republican culture war".

DeSantis has leaned heavily into cultural divides on his path to an anticipated White House bid, with the Republican aggressively pursuing a conservative agenda that targets what he calls the insertion of inappropriate subjects in schools.

And if you look at the polling on such issues, the vast majority of people are against these types of restrictions. This will backfire badly for DeSantis if he wants to run for president.

What a tool.

He's gonna be the next Scott Walker or Rick Perry. With a 250-pound orange monkey on his back.

This is why the #1 destination for people leaving Florida is California. They are tired of woke policies like this.

The age of consent is 18 but teenagers are having sex before then. Discussion on LGBTQ people needs to be part of education.

This tells you all you need to know about the current Repub party - a party that has renounced all its previous core values. Now you have;

Big Repub Government levying regulations tying the hands of local officials.

Cancel culture gone wild...using the power of the government to prohibit and outlaw inconvenient historical facts that upset its mostly white base.

And most hypocritically, you have a Gov who has been accused of grooming underage girls telling us what our morals should be.

DeSantis is just a jerk.

Why?

That's bad for Florida, but good for the US because he'll never be president.

Because you say so? Relax.

He's too misanthropic and unlikeable

Then he wouldn’t win his State in a landslide.

2020hindsightsToday  07:40 am JST

DeSantis has leaned heavily into cultural divides on his path to an anticipated White House bid, with the Republican aggressively pursuing a conservative agenda that targets what he calls the insertion of inappropriate subjects in schools.

And if you look at the polling on such issues, the vast majority of people are against these types of restrictions. This will backfire badly for DeSantis if he wants to run for president.

DeSantis is a derelict and a jerk. He mishandled the CoVid pandemic all this time, all he cared for was tourism and Spring Break money. And this 'culture wars' stuff is a total crock.

First of all, it cheapens the true meaning of 'war' which is an ugly phenomena that Americans have learned to love since 1991, they've become numb to it and it's entertainment today - at least for armchair generals it is.

Next, children don't start to develop until around Grade 5. Sexual orientation comes and is unavoidable. Most of us are heterosexual by nature but homosexuality does exist in nature. It's not a choice and it does exist in a few animal species as well. Homosexuality will always be a minority but that's no excuse to be bashing or disenfranchising them. I served in the military before the 'don't ask, don't tell' came into effect 30 years ago, and they serve as well and honorably as the rest of us. I learned that most of them are not the monsters we've been told they are.

Teenagers need to know about their sexuality, whatever it is. It doesn't make a person good or bad, it's what you do with it that determines that.

DeSantis may be in the GOP but he's too moronic to know that the California governor Ronald Reagan (terms 1968-81) had gays in his cabinet and it was very well known in that state. And he did not mind or care at all, as long they did their jobs. When he got elected POTUS in 1980, they all went to DC with him.

DeSantis has proven already to be derelict his own state duties, and now he's looking for somebody to hate to further his selfish dumb ambitions. He doesn't have any right to dictate what is taught in schools because he has proven again and again to be an irresponsible idiot with no knowledge or grasp of reality. And like TreasonTrump, he's a boor who just doesn't know how to shut his immature stupid yapper.

This tells you all you need to know about the current Repub party - a party that has renounced all its previous core values.

Quite the opposite. They could have voted for Crist, they rejected him and his core values and let’s not forget, DeSantis got Dade County, usually a Dem stronghold cementing a GOP stronghold in that state.

Big Repub Government levying regulations tying the hands of local officials.

But in California when the Dems do it, it’s ok?why?

Cancel culture gone wild...using the power of the government to prohibit and outlaw inconvenient historical facts that upset its mostly white base.

But parents have to subjected to gender ideology? Why? 2 years ago, this was never an issue and then the left started forcing people to watch and consume this without having a dialogue about it. As far as historic facts are concerned most Americans already know our history, the good, the bad and ugly parts, now the social Justice warriors want to inflame more racial tension by telling blacks and other minorities that they are victims and need white liberals to help make it and whites should be ashamed that today had nothing to do with what some of their ancestors have done?

And most hypocritically, you have a Gov who has been accused of grooming underage girls telling us what our morals should be.

Yeah, that 30 yearcdebunked crap is just not resonating at all except for the left media pundits craving for a news poll bump, best of luck.

Excellent news. DeSantis 2024!

But parents have to subjected to gender ideology? Why? 2 years ago, this was never an issue and then the left started forcing people to watch and consume this without having a dialogue about it. As far as historic facts are concerned most Americans already know our history, the good, the bad and ugly parts, now the social Justice warriors want to inflame more racial tension by telling blacks and other minorities that they are victims and need white liberals to help make it and whites should be ashamed that today had nothing to do with what some of their ancestors have done?

This is just nonsensical narrative spoon fed to you by Tucker and his little disciple Ron.

When are Republicans going to come up with policies that actually serve the American people rather than just depending on silly grievances, fearmongering, demonization, and non-existing cultural threats? The current GOP seems far less interested in solving solvable problems than giving its base a heavy dose of outrage against "the left".

--DeSantis is just a jerk.

Why?

Because he enjoys picking on trans kids, LGBTQ teachers, asylum seekers, and anyone who disagrees with him. These are not constructive policies. They are intended to be mean, which he thinks his supporters want--meanness. Whether he does it because he's a sociopath or because he's a brazen, cynical, nihilistic power-seeker, either way he's the epitome of a jerk.

gender ideology

There is no such thing as that and we all know it. Your gender is what it is, there is NO 'ideology' behind it.

And I remember from middle and high school some cretins sassed some fellow students off as being 'gay', 'queer' and similar epithets to mean 'uncool' or 'dumb', etc. That is a juvenile definition used by bullies who never matured beyond that level of maturity.

DeSantis is one of those types of people. He's uninitiated, uncultured, unqualified, and immature. He chose to be, he chose not to ever grow up. And he can't shut up either. That further shows his stupidity.

It's always a vogue for his type to find somebody to hate and an excuse to do. Most of us don't understand homosexuality but we need to know what it is and more importantly, what it isn't. I've learned enough during my military, college, work that gays generally aren't that different from anyone else. Most of the stereotypes of them don't apply. And I do not fear them.

DeSantis is a derelict and a jerk. He mishandled the CoVid pandemic all this time,

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-desantis-reelection-florida-covid/

One study tried to compare the pandemic response of different states, taking into consideration the economy, education and public health. "A Final Report Card on the States' Response to COVID-19," written in part by researchers from the right-leaning Heritage Foundation and Committee to Unleash Prosperity, gave Florida an "A," while California and New York got failing grades.

all he cared for was tourism and Spring Break money.

He walked and chewed gum at the same time.

And this 'culture wars' stuff is a total crock. 

Not to his voters, they have the final say, they are the ones that put him where he is at.

Next, children don't start to develop until around Grade 5.

I think most people with kids know when puberty starts, but thanks for the info.

Teenagers need to know about their sexuality, whatever it is. It doesn't make a person good or bad, it's what you do with it that determines that. 

No one is disputing that, not one person, that has nothing to do with pushing sexually explicit materials to little kids

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11835973/Ron-DeSantis-airs-video-containing-sexually-explicit-content-childrens-books.html

DeSantis may be in the GOP but he's too moronic to know that the California governor Ronald Reagan (terms 1968-81) had gays in his cabinet and it was very well known in that state. And he did not mind or care at all, as long they did their jobs. When he got elected POTUS in 1980, they all went to DC with him. 

I am sure the man knows that as do most Americans that were born after 1964

DeSantis has proven already to be derelict his own state duties,

I doubt it.

DeSantis cut spending in Florida, which, combined with federal stimulus payments and increasing sales tax revenue in 2021-22, led to a record state budget surplus.

and now he's looking for somebody to hate to further his selfish dumb ambitions. He doesn't have any right to dictate

He's not, hes working on behalf of his constiuents, the same way Youngkin is doing and he's a Republican in a deep blue state, the parents don't want this, he listened and he became governor. It pays to listen to your voters.

what is taught in schools because he has proven again and again to be an irresponsible idiot with no knowledge or grasp of reality. And like TreasonTrump, he's a boor who just doesn't know how to shut his immature stupid yapper.

Well, not at all, the people love both men, but DeSantis does have a home turf advantage over Trump, you may not like them, that's ok, but millions do and the left just has to deal with it, they're not going anywhere and if the people don't like or want them, they will vote them out, until then, what makes them popular is that they listen to their voter base, that's what makes for a great politician and the left still hasn't figured that out yet. This is why people like Terry McAliffe lost miserably, the guy actually thought parents did'nt have the right to know or question teachers when it comes to these issues and parents should butt out and let the teachers do their jobs. Well, that position cost him his job. Youngkin and DeSantis are doing what they were elected to do and that is to represent their constiuents and that is what they are doing.

Bass: 2 years ago, this was never an issue and then

....and then Republicans realized they could generate outrage which produces 1) a reliable voter and 2) donations. Now Ron is sending undercover agents to drag shows, a great way to use tax dollars, apparently.

and whites should be ashamed that today had nothing to do with what some of their ancestors have done

Japan does this, too, over WWII. I'm betting there are Japanese politicians who want to block teachings on the war because they say it will make young people hate Japan. I'm surprised you support this point of view since they killed so many Americans.

On the bright side, Ron is falling far behind Trump now. As I predicted, his culture wars just don't resonate on a national scale. Ask swing voters in Pennsylvania and Arizona.

Now he's going after Trump directly to shore up support, and it's going to be wonderful to watch. But at the end of the day Ron will just be a flash in the pan. He'll give it a shot nationally then return to Florida to try to arrest more teachers.

He's not, hes working on behalf of his constiuents, the same way Youngkin is doing and he's a Republican in a deep blue state

Once again, I question your understanding of basic American political geography and spreading of misinformation.

Youngkin's Virginia is not a "deep blue state".

Besides going back being home to the former capitol of the Confederacy in Virginia in Richmond, the southern part has a strong conservative military presence.

In the north there is even more of a military industrial complex presence in the NVA suburbs.

The spillover from the ethnic makeup of the DC area and immigration changed it in the recent past but there is nothing "deep blue" about the political stance of Virginia.

In fact like Florida the NVA suburbs are a hotbed of culture warring now.

eSantis is a derelict and a jerk. He mishandled the CoVid pandemic all this time,

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-desantis-reelection-florida-covid/

One study tried to compare the pandemic response of different states, taking into consideration the economy, education and public health. "A Final Report Card on the States' Response to COVID-19," written in part by researchers from the right-leaning Heritage Foundation and Committee to Unleash Prosperity, gave Florida an "A," while California and New York got failing grades.

My, my...two Trump slams in one post - that's a new record for this poster...

First he says Trump is a  "far-left media pundit who spreads crap" regarding DeSantis grooming underage girls, and now he defends Ron and says Trump is a liar when he said DeSantis bungled his COVID response.

“There are Republican governors that did not close their states,” Trump said aboard his plane. “Florida was closed for a long period of time.” Trump added that DeSantis had "changed his tune a lot" with regards to COVID-19 vaccines, accusing the Florida governor and his team of "trying to rewrite history,"

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/29/trump-desantis-disloyal-covid-record

Keep the Trump disses coming - they're very entertaining...

Quite the truth.

Nonsense

Repubs used to rail against "Big Government" - now they embrace and expand it. Using government to force motherhood on women, criminalizing free speech, banning books...

No, if you want an abortion, you are free to go to another state, you have free speech and DeSantis made it.

So Repubs are now copying what California Libs do? OK...

No, California can continue doing what it wants, the exodus from the state is proof of their results.

Why delete Rosa Parks race when talking about her?

Still, the theory has become a major point of contention for Republicans, including Florida Gov.Ron DeSantis, who signed legislation last year that prohibits instruction that could make students feel responsibility, guilt or anguish for what other members of their race did in the past. 

In other words, Blacks are supposed to feel like victims and worthless and Whites are supposed to feel guilty just for being White.

Yeah, that should help race relations..” 

So now you're calling Trump a "far-left media pundit who spreads crap"...OK. He is the only one that called Ron a pedo. 

Did I say that?

There is no such thing as that and we all know it.

Yes, there is.

Your gender is what it is, there is NO 'ideology' behind it. 

Technically, yes, but politically the left or woke crowd is pushing it, why? How many genders do we have again?

DeSantis is one of those types of people. He's uninitiated, uncultured, unqualified, and immature.

Have you read his resume recently? No, you haven't, that's why you made that statement.

He chose to be, he chose not to ever grow up.

So you are saying that people were forced to vote for him? Huh???

And he can't shut up either. That further shows his stupidity. 

He doesn't need to, he's the governor.

It's always a vogue for his type to find somebody to hate and an excuse to do. Most of us don't understand homosexuality but we need to know what it is and more importantly, what it isn't.I've learned enough during my military, college, work that gays generally aren't that different from anyone else. Most of the stereotypes of them don't apply. And I do not fear them.

Ok.

Bass: that could make students feel responsibility, guilt or anguish for what other members of their race did in the past. 

What a horrible policy. Any student can stop the teaching of any subject if it makes them feel anguish? Talk about protecting snowflakes. Can a black student raise their hand and end all discussion of the LA riots because, ya know, makes them feel not so good about their race?

That's what you want?

you have free speech and DeSantis made it.

Cancel culture ron?

Quite the opposite.

It’s no wonder people are fleeing Florida to move to NY or California where they have freedom to live without big government telling them what to do.

But parents have to subjected to gender ideology? Why? 2 years ago, this was never an issue and then the left started forcing people to watch and consume this without having a dialogue about it.

This is a confession of your own lack of situational awareness. I had gay teachers and administrators in the 1970s. There were gay marriages of district staff. It wasn't out in the open but it was there if you had your eyes open. I was always open minded so people were comfortable telling me stuff. Still am that way. So don't try and say any of this is new because it isn't. Just because it is new to you is not an excuse. People have suffered rejection, violence and abandonment by their families for generations over sexual orientation. YOU chose to ignore it until it could no longer be ignored. Now instead of trying to understand and deal with the situation some on the right just want to suppress it and make it go away. It isn't going away. Gay people are part of the nation. They are citizens like everyone else and have the same rights as everyone else. And, oh lordy, they want to be treated like everyone else and not discriminated against. Rob DeSantis is playing to the very worst bigotries in people and there is nothing even a little bit admirable about it.

What a horrible policy. Any student can stop the teaching of any subject if it makes them feel anguish? Talk about protecting snowflakes. Can a black student raise their hand and end all discussion of the LA riots because, ya know, makes them feel not so good about their race?

Florida just forced the removal of references to Rosa Parks race when describing her protest. Imagine that. Florida forced textbooks to remove references to race when describing Jim Crow laws. Instead of describing the people discriminated against as African Americans they are called "certain people". All because it might make some white parents or their kids feel “discomfort, guilt, or anguish” about what people of the same race did in the past" to use the wording of the Florida statute.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/ron-desantis-florida-rosa-parks-textbook

https://pen.org/florida-textbooks-rosa-parks-history/

He won the election by 20 points. Anyone who doesn’t like it feel free to move somewhere more suitable to them.

He did - even though he is a "fat, whiny, phony", who botched Florida's COVID response, went easy on child predators when he was a prosecutor, and is accused of grooming underage HS girls.

Or are all of those salacious lies and slander?

Florida just forced the removal of references to Rosa Parks race when describing her protest. Imagine that. Florida forced textbooks to remove references to race when describing Jim Crow laws. Instead of describing the people discriminated against as African Americans they are called "certain people". All because it might make some white parents or their kids feel “discomfort, guilt, or anguish” about what people of the same race did in the past" to use the wording of the Florida statute.

And then what would the term 'certain people' apply to? Non-racial classifications like say Jews or Muslims? Prejudices of all kinds are bad and they should never be neutered or shoved under rugs. Bad is bad.

....and then Republicans realized they could generate outrage which produces 1) a reliable voter and 2) donations. Now Ron is sending undercover agents to drag shows, a great way to use tax dollars, apparently.

So you are essentially saying is that he looked at the Democrat's playbook? And the problem is what?

Japan does this, too, over WWII. I'm betting there are Japanese politicians who want to block teachings on the war because they say it will make young people hate Japan.

They can if they want, but history is already written.

I'm surprised you support this point of view since they killed so many Americans.

Apples and oranges argument. In the US we have tons and tons of historical information and photos that can be accessed from everywhere, when I was in HS, we got all of the information pertaining to antropology, social and racial issues, race studies, colonialism, all of it. but then again, we didn't have political Marxists trying to rewrite books and trying to make one racial group helpless victims and the other deviant evil overlords.

It’s no wonder people are fleeing Florida to move to NY or California

Liberals can do that, that might acutally be better.

where they have freedom to live without big government telling them what to do.

West Coast Freedom and small government? ROFL

https://www.hoover.org/research/failures-governance-reason-why-state-california-bad-and-getting-worse

It’s kind of weird to believe that someone who is making a name for himself by pushing a “Don’t say ____” agenda is a champion free speech. No?

What next, forcing kids to pray in school? Oh wait…

What next, forcing kids to pray in school? Oh wait…

Forcing kids not to pray is ok?

Technically, yes, but politically the left or woke crowd is pushing it

Well there is a big woke/left seaweed blob attacking Florida freedom making the the beaches trash and people sick with its nauseous gas. Property insurance through the roof and Ron plans to socialize that through more taxes to help pay for property insurance. Then who cares about the stupid don't say gay. It's not stopping Florida from becoming trashier

What next, forcing kids to pray in school? Oh wait…

Forcing kids not to pray is ok?

Where is it happening?

I thought ron and his fans were all about school being a place for learning, not pushing personal ideologies onto impressionable young minds, religion for example.

Leave that to the parents, keep god out of the classroom.

Quite the truth.

Nonsense

Only in alt-reality MAGA-world.

Repubs used to rail against "Big Government" - now they embrace and expand it. Using government to force motherhood on women, criminalizing free speech, banning books...

No, if you want an abortion, you are free to go to another state, you have free speech and DeSantis made it.

Rosa Parks?

So Repubs are now copying what California Libs do? OK...

No, California can continue doing what it wants, the exodus from the state is proof of their results.

Your words - you said Repubs are doing exactly what California Dems were doing. Learning from the adults I assume.

Why delete Rosa Parks race when talking about her?

Still, the theory has become a major point of contention for Republicans, including Florida Gov.Ron DeSantis, who signed legislation last year that prohibits instruction that could make students feel responsibility, guilt or anguish for what other members of their race did in the past. 

Uh-huh - why delete her race?

So now you're calling Trump a "far-left media pundit who spreads crap"...OK. He is the only one that called Ron a pedo. 

Did I say that?

You certainly did. Trump is the only one saying Ron is a pedo - and you said that is "30 yearcdebunked crap". So you clearly think Trump is spreading lies and slander - or in your words "crap".

So why is he spreading crap about DeSantis being a pedo and botching his COVID response?

Where is it happening?

Question is, should it be happening.

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/01/student-opinion-supreme-court-should-not-allow-prayer-in-schools/

I thought ron and his fans were all about school being a place for learning, not pushing personal ideologies onto impressionable young minds, religion for example. 

So the left pushing gender ideology, race, woke ideology is acceptable?

Leave that to the parents, keep god out of the classroom.

Ok, now we’re talking, leave sexual, race and gender topics to the parents.

Only in alt-reality MAGA-world.

No, to the average thinking sensible American.

Rosa Parks?

Abortion??

Your words - you said Repubs are doing exactly what California Dems were doing.

A bit out of context.

Uh-huh - why delete her race?

It’s already in books, can’t be undone.

You certainly did. Trump is the only one saying Ron is a pedo

Then let him, no one is listening and DeSantis needs to address it and fight back which he is slowly doing. Good on him, but as a voter, not even focusing or care what he did 30 years ago. Just like liberals don’t care what Obama or Biden did 30 years ago.

So why is he spreading crap about DeSantis being a pedo and botching his COVID response?

Because he’s Trump’s biggest competitor. So why wouldn’t he attack the guy? Come one now…

Leave that to the parents, keep god out of the classroom.

Ok, now we’re talking, leave sexual, race and gender topics to the parents.

I was taking about religion, don’t pull a switch.

Because he’s Trump’s biggest competitor. So why wouldn’t he attack the guy? Come one now…

45’s biggest competitor should be any Democrat. But priorities right? The GoP are too busy attacking each other to have anything meaningful to contribute to anything except headlines.

What has kevin accomplished since the day you were so looking forward to? What has he done?

What has ron done except attempt to pass a bunch of crowd pleasing meaningless bills to get his empty headed fan base all riled up?

Just headlines.

Bob FosseToday  10:51 am JST

What next, forcing kids to pray in school? Oh wait…

> bass4funkToday  10:57 am JST

What next, forcing kids to pray in school? Oh wait…

Forcing kids not to pray is ok?

Praying to who or what? The Great Spaghetti Monster? Mother Earth Gaia? Godzilla? Elvis Presley?

As long as kids have tests to take, crushes to 'ask out' for upcoming events, sports championships to strive for, and more; there will be praying in the schools. In the mind - where it belongs. God can see and hear everything in a person's mind, the Bible even mentions that it should be private, That means NOT enforcing it on a class and NOT having it out in the open for all to see.

Freedom of religion is to be respected, for ALL. Too many Americans worship money, power, celebrity stars and materialism anyway.

An interesting issue for US voters.

Only in alt-reality MAGA-world.

No, to the average thinking sensible American.

Who wears a red MAGA cap and thinks Hugo Chavez stole the election.

Rosa Parks?

Abortion??

Why delete Rosa Parks race?

Your words - you said Repubs are doing exactly what California Dems were doing.

A bit out of context.

Only if you're flipping now.

Uh-huh - why delete her race?

It’s already in books, can’t be undone.

Read the link - its already being done - why?

You certainly did. Trump is the only one saying Ron is a pedo

Then let him, no one is listening and DeSantis needs to address it and fight back which he is slowly doing.

No one is listening to Trump? That's a big Trump slam - that's three today. So why is Trump slamming DeSantis and giving ammo to the Dems if he is the Repub nominee?

So why is he spreading crap about DeSantis being a pedo and botching his COVID response?

Because he’s Trump’s biggest competitor. So why wouldn’t he attack the guy? Come one now…

So is it true? Is Ron a "RINO", a "phony", and a pedo?

Praying to who or what? The Great Spaghetti Monster? Mother Earth Gaia? Godzilla? Elvis Presley?

Relax.

*As long as kids have tests to take, crushes to 'ask out' for upcoming events, sports championships to strive for, and more; there will be praying in the schools.* 

Ok

In the mind - where it belongs. 

Because you say so?

That means NOT enforcing it on a class and NOT having it out in the open for all to see. 

Great!! So we do agree that the left should not force their liberal ideology on impressionable kids as you say, so whether it’s religion, wokeness, gender, let the kids sort it out, that was easy.

Freedom of religion is to be respected, for ALL.

Oh, this guy didn’t heed your words.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2021/may/no-more-church-bans-ca-gov-newsom-ordered-to-pay-1-35m-in-legal-fees-for-shutting-down-churches

Too many Americans worship money, power, celebrity stars and materialism anyway.

That’s the left without a doubt!

My teacher told me that people who voice anti-gay speeches have something hiding in their closets. I wish I wasn’t too young to understand the meaning.

Who wears a red MAGA cap and thinks Hugo Chavez stole the election.

Just try focus for just a moment. Lol

Why delete Rosa Parks race?

Uh-huh - why delete her race?

It’s already in books, can’t be undone.

Only if you're flipping now.

No need to.

No one is listening to Trump? That's a big Trump slam - that's three today. So why is Trump slamming DeSantis and giving ammo to the Dems if he is the Repub nominee? 

Again, no one is listening. We can make up our own minds, let them fight, not losing anything, both are great, whoever is victorious, I’ll vote for.

So is it true? Is Ron a "RINO", a "phony", and a pedo?

Neither.

Not a good day for Trump here on this thread - his formerly loyal supporters have given him the shiv;

Slam #1: They say that accusations of DeSantis being a groomer are "30 year old debunked crap". When the only one making those allegations are Trump. So to them Trump is spreading outright lies and "crap".

Slam #2: They defend DeSantis' COVID response even though Trump posted in Truth Social that he bungled it badly by staying locked down too long. More Trump lies.

Slam #3: They openly admit that "no one listens to Trump" when he makes these slanderous lies and allegations against DeSantis.

Looks like the Ultra MAGA King crown is being passed to the "Meatball".

At least today - it will likely flip completely tomorrow...

Trump is destroying DeSantis and it's so much fun to watch. That will leave Trump in the end and, as the saying goes, Trump can beat anyone...except Biden.

SuperlibToday  11:46 am JST

Trump is destroying DeSantis and it's so much fun to watch. That will leave Trump in the end and, as the saying goes, Trump can beat anyone...except Biden.

If the Dems believe because Biden supposedly won one election against Trump then that means he automatically wins the next one, well, that is exactly what the Republicans want.

2024 Head-to-Head GOP Primary Polling Trends by McLaughlin and Associates

January:

• Trump — 52% (+11)

• DeSantis — 41%

February:

• Trump — 56% (+18)

• DeSantis — 38%

MARCH:

• Trump — 61% (+30)

• DeSantis — 31%

interesting, isnt it? both of them beating Biden, but Trump by much more.

2024 Presidential Election Poll

(R) Trump: 47% (+6)

(D) Biden: 41%

(R) DeSantis: 39% (+1)

(D) Biden: 38%

Net 8-point swing towards Trump from February 19 poll (was: 42/44 - Biden +2)

So is it true? Is Ron a "RINO", a "phony", and a pedo?

Neither.

Uh, there were three Trump DeSantis slams listed - you said "neither", which leaves one.

So which one do you believe?

What is more important, less woke or less seaweed blob and property insurance osts. This bill is just a distraction

Well, look at DeSantis flip and flop;

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sought to clean up his previous comments calling Russia’s invasion of Ukraine a “territorial dispute,” telling British journalist Piers Morgan instead that Russian President Vladimir Putin is a “war criminal.” DeSantis faced mounting criticism from Republicans over his earlier comments on Ukraine, including from Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia and John Cornyn of Texas, who all publicly broke with DeSantis after the governor rejected additional funding for Ukraine. Former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who is considering a 2024 bid, called DeSantis “naïve” over his Ukraine stance.

But during an interview with Morgan set to air this week, DeSantis called Putin a “a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons,” repeating a similar line he had used in early March to describe the Russian leader. Both lines echoed a 2014 quip from then-Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in which he said, “Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/22/desantis-ukraine-calls-putin-war-criminal-00088460

Ron is saying the same things about Russia as that hated RINO and NEOCON John McCain.

Maybe there is some truth in Trump calling him a "RINO Globalist".

RKL: If the Dems believe because Biden supposedly won one election against Trump then that means he automatically wins the next one, well, that is exactly what the Republicans want.

Personally, I think DeSantis has a stronger chance against Biden. He'd get all of the Trump supporters and he has more of an ability to win the never Trump crowd in the GOP and elsewhere.

But Trump will take care of that for Democrats.

Trump is destroying DeSantis and it's so much fun to watch. That will leave Trump in the end and, as the saying goes, Trump can beat anyone...except Biden.

ROFL! At this rate Mikey Mouse can beat Joe.

He'd get all of the Trump supporters

Not necessarily

and he has more of an ability to win the never Trump crowd in the GOP and elsewhere.

Not so sure, he doesn’t turn out massive crowds like Trump, not to say he can’t win, but going against Biden, at this point that’s a million dollar question I would say 70/30 I think, I would give Trump 90/10 beating Joe.

But Trump will take care of that for Democrats.

With all the info coming out of Twitter and these hearings, that won’t be as easy as the left thinks, now more than ever.