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Texas vow to 'eliminate all rapists' rings hollow at clinics

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Overwhelming majorities of voters think their state should generally allow abortion in specific cases, including rape, incest or if the health of the pregnant person is endangered. Even Republicans are seeing it as a line with some voters.

It’s a key issue for voters.

Still, we’ll be told that the ‘average American’ cares more about gas prices and ‘but look at California’ something or other.

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What sort of man thinks he will eliminate rape and incest?

"Eight out of 10 cases of rape are committed by someone known to the victim, according to Department of Justice data shared by the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, or RAINN, an anti-sexual violence organization. Among child and teen victims, that rate is even higher at 93%. Most of these crimes are not perpetrated by unknown assailants, as Abbott’s statement suggests by characterizing rapists on “the streets.”

Texas has one of the highest rape rates.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/08/07/fact-check-does-texas-have-most-rape-offenses-united-states/65382978007/

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It’s a key issue for voters. 

No, the economy is.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/25/23272939/heres-the-top-issue-on-voters-minds-ahead-of-federal-elections-inflation-economy-congress-president

https://cfmadvocates.com/inflation-likely-to-be-key-issue-in-2022-midterm-election/

Abortion is a big issue for the left, but for the majority of Americans, the economy and inflation rises above all else. Abortion rights doesn’t put food on the table or clothes on your back

Schumer knows his party is done, Jen Psaki admitted it as well, Pelosi is looking at an ambassadorship in Italy should the GOP retake the house, so let the Dems campaign on abortion while 77% of the nation that feel the country is going in the wrong direction vote for a major change from the Democrats.

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As a Brit you would know.

They're right though. The GOP's hardline stance on abortion is the reason Democrats even have a chance of keeping the house. Giving cadavers more bodily autonomy than living, breathing women will never be a popular stance.

Https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/15/roe-unpopular-republicans/

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But even you would support abortion in certain situations, such as rape, incest, if the life of the mother is in danger.

Most conservatives would, but feeding my kids and being able to stay in my home is a bit more important than abortion rights or putting a no limit to the practice

Oh, I’m sorry Bass. I should have used quotation marks since I was quoting you.

“I’m definitely a pro-lifer, but I would support abortion in certain situations, such as rape, incest, if the life of the mother is in danger, depending on, under those conditions I wouldn’t object”

So, you have no objections.

If it wasn’t such an important issue voters, including yourself, wouldn’t feel so strongly about it.

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or putting a no limit to the practice

There is nowhere in The US, in any state, that has ‘no limit’ to abortion nor is trying to remove all limits to abortion.

That’s just another bogeyman.

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it is certainly not stopping crime, these are the issues that are what are mostly driving people to vote red.

Texas voters must be angry then that the pledge to eradicate rape has been a failure.

That’s the main topic of this article actually.

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Stopping rape in Texas is impossible.

A ridiculous pipe dream

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Again, you we can both improve the economy and protect abortion rights.

were protected that’s what the Dobbs decision did, it’s up to the states, and now the government got out of the peoples way, and has allowed the people to have a voice on the issue, so they’re doing just that already

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Claiming to eliminate rape was a ridiculous claim when it was made and remains so. Name a crime that has ever been eliminated? Even slavery still exists today right here in the US despite a civil war and it being illegal since the end of that very same civil war. Human trafficking and slavery exist to this day in pretty much every nation of the world. Murder, rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud are all as old as mankind. Education, social policies, favorable economic conditions and law enforcement can reduce the occurrence of these crimes these but claiming an ability to eliminate any of these is laughable. I wonder if anybody actually believed this Texas governor when he made that claim?

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it’s up to the states

Except the GOP wants to make abortion a federal crime if they can. At least after the midterms.

now the government got out of the peoples way,

When the government outlaws abortion, it's getting in people's way.

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The pro abortion people already voted Democrat last time. The “new” voters are the ones who didn’t care enough to vote until they couldn’t afford gas or food anymore.

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they couldn’t afford gas or food anymore.

Thanks for cutting the child tax credit, GOP. Nothing says concern for little children like yanking away their lifesavers.

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I wonder what "men" ( I say that with tongue firmly in cheek, most of these bozos are the furthest thing from well adjusted adult males ) would do if women simply refused henceforth to have sex with them? No need for abortion when nobody is having sex. Right? The conservative male dream, chaste women. Time for women to go on a sex strike and watch their conservative manly-men come un f__king glued.

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60% of Americans support abortion rights. It was never on the Texas ballot.

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wonder what "men" ( I say that with tongue firmly in cheek, most of these bozos are the furthest thing from well adjusted adult males ) would do if women simply refused henceforth to have sex with them?

well Desert Tortoise, depending on the state in question even that isn’t good enough, as rapists have more “rights” than their victims. Made this argument to Blacklabel before, and you may be shocked to hear this, but he dodged the question…

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This whole "we'll eliminate rape" thing was a huge disaster for Abbott - and just another example why Texans are tired of his theatrics instead of governing...

Texas' electrical grid is no better than Kabul's, yet Abbott ignores that and engages in busing legal migrants and taking rights away from women...

Women, irrespective of their politics, don't like it when men tell them they have no control over their own bodies - or that Big Repub Government is forcing them into motherhood...just look at Kansas...

Smart Repubs know that - and are scrubbing their websites of their radical abortion views, trying to hide them. Everyone excerpt Loony Lindsey who is a gift that keeps on giving for the Dems. Graham:

May 3rd: “Every state will decide if abortion is legal and on what terms, the most constitutionally sound way of dealing with this issue.”

Jun 26th: “All of us in the conservative world have believed that there’s nothing in the Constitution giving the federal government the right to regulate abortion.”

Sep 13th: “This is not a states’ rights issue. This is a human right issue,” Graham said. “So, no matter what California or Maryland will do … I am going to advocate a national minimum standard.”

So Lindsey went from "it's a state's right' and the "federal government should stay out of it to it's NOT a state right and the federal government SHOULD regulate abortion...

What a blatant liar and flip-flopper - you can't believe one thing that comes out of Lindsey's mouth - he'll say the opposite the next day...

But I'm glad he did - he just showed what liars and how extreme and radical the Repubs are - and that they're coming after all sorts of rights and freedoms if they gain power - which thanks to Lindsey (and Trump), won't be happening in Nov...

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In states with no rape exception, literally any fertile female is the potential property of literally any fertile male who decides that she will bear his offspring. Because the law is on his side.

btw Gov. Abbott, rape was already very illegal.

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Ok. If you don’t have time to read it the short version is 56% of respondents said abortion was a ‘very important’ election issue. 60% said crime was a ‘very important’ election issue.

Oh I read it. Economy, inflation and education were all 75%+

So, both are important.

nope, not really when compared to the top 3.

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Except the GOP wants to make abortion a federal crime if they can.

For late term, it should.

Thanks for cutting the child tax credit, GOP. Nothing says concern for little children like yanking away their lifesavers.

Well, without money, you’ll have no tax credits.

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Oh I read it. Economy, inflation and education were all 75%+

Education was 58%, just above abortion. Inflation wasn’t mentioned.

Are you sure you read it?

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I did and you are incorrect.

that’s why I posted a link to my source today not your one month old link. To prevent such misinformation as this.

According to the survey produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates in New York City, the economy (89%), education (77%) and inflation (76%) topped out the issues voters consider "highly important" as midterms loom, but those issues were followed closely by crime at 69%, which beat out abortion at 62%.

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How about Abbot say he is so sure his program will work that he'll resign if there are any more rapes? Or that he'll pay $1M to the victim and/or family as compensation for failing to stop it, and $10 M if the person becomes pregnant (since they then have to carry the rapist's baby to term)? No?

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How Texas’ abortion laws turned a heartbreaking fetal diagnosis into a cross-country journey

“It was just a matter of time before the baby died, or maybe I’d have to go through the trauma of carrying to term knowing I wasn’t bringing a baby home,” said 27-year-old Lauren Hall. “I couldn’t do that.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/20/texas-abortion-ban-complicated-pregnancy/

Texans who perform abortions now face up to life in prison, $100,000 fine

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/25/texas-trigger-law-abortion/

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that fetal heartbeat at six weeks is a totally “manufactured sound” right?

that’s the liberal position, right?

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that fetal heartbeat at six weeks is a totally “manufactured sound” right? 

that’s the liberal position, right?

not talking about abortion as birth control, I’m talking about rape resulting in pregnancy. You know that. The subject of this article is Abbott dodging this by making the utterly nonsensical argument that he is going to eliminate something that already results in long prison sentences, while totally ignoring (like you) the basic human rights of the rape victim.

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Most, nearly 100% of women/females would not know they are pregnant within the first six weeks.

False pregnancy, clinically termed pseudocyesis, is the belief that you are expecting a baby when you are not really carrying a child. People with pseudocyesis have many, if not all, symptoms of pregnancy -- with the exception of an actual fetus.

Symptoms can last for just a few weeks, for nine months, or even for several years. A very small percentage of patients with false pregnancy will arrive at the doctor's office or hospital with what feels like labor pains

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In other words, by eliminating all rapists you can then justify eliminating all abortions.

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The right are WEAK on abortion. They need to make more laws to eliminate any abortion whatsoever, under any circumstances. They're way too weak right now. The GOP may as well be encouraging abortion with their weak stance on it.

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that fetal heartbeat at six weeks is a totally “manufactured sound” right? 

that’s the liberal position, right?

This article and debate is about Abbots’ failure to justify an abortion ban by eliminating rape.

It mentions the impending backlash of that ridiculous decision and also the impending failure of another ridiculous plan proposed by Lindsey Graham.

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The GOP cares about the unborn about as much as they care about rape victims. After all, their main man has been credibly accused by multiple women of sexual assault, and said man even boasted about his “power” over women.

It’s just feels so good to pretend you care.

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How about Abbot say he is so sure his program will work that he'll resign if there are any more rapes? Or that he'll pay $1M to the victim and/or family as compensation for failing to stop it, and $10 M if the person becomes pregnant (since they then have to carry the rapist's baby to term)? No?

Thats bad, but paying for a woman to kill an unborn child is good? Huh?

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Thats bad, but paying for a woman to kill an unborn child is good? Huh?

Yeah, you should tell your GOP buddies they are weak on abortion, and need to double down. Then they should be very vocal about how bad abortion is. It's the only way to stop these women from getting them.

You guys are weak on abortion and need to fight harder. And louder.

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Thats bad, but paying for a woman to kill an unborn child is good? Huh?

It depends.

May I quote you again?

“I’m definitely a pro-lifer, but I would support abortion in certain situations, such as rape, incest, if the life of the mother is in danger, depending on, under those conditions I wouldn’t object”

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This article and debate is about Abbots’ failure to justify an abortion ban by eliminating rape.

so you expected Abbott to completely eliminate rape in less than a year?

seems it is trending in the right direction. strange that they say "slightly down" without giving a number.

crime is down in Texas, this is great news.

More than 14,000 rape crimes have been reported in Texas since the law took effect last year, according to data from the Texas Department of Public Safety. That was slightly down from the year before and consistent with a decline in other violent crime figures across the state.

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This article and debate is about Abbots’ failure to justify an abortion ban by eliminating rape.

so you expected Abbott to completely eliminate rape in less than a year?

No. Only someone with zero grasp of reality would expect to actually happen in a thousand years. Abbot is another circus barker, getting folks riled with nonsense.

crime is down in Texas, this is great news.

The quote you provided from the article said that yes. It also said this;

“A sexual assault hotline in Houston has answered almost 4,800 calls through August this year — putting it on track to exceed last year’s volume of 4,843.”

So, I’d postpone any victory laps for now.

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More than 14,000 rape crimes have been reported in Texas since the law took effect last year,

Were any pregnancies the result in cases where there was a conviction?

Bob FosseToday  11:37 am JST

No. Only someone with zero grasp of reality would expect to actually happen in a thousand years. Abbot is another circus barker, getting folks riled with nonsense.

Do you have experience as a US voter to support this view, or is this just hyperbole?

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so you expected Abbott to completely eliminate rape in less than a year?

are you serious? I’d like to hope you’re just trolling, but there do seem to be things that just don’t register in your brain. Maybe he can eliminate mosquitos and bad weather on game day too? How about hurricanes? Maybe he can eliminate them too? Go Greg!

perhaps every fertile female in Texas can be assigned their very own 24/7 Texas Ranger? Yes dude, it’s that preposterous.

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The majority of rapes are never reported because of the abuse and discrimination the victims must suffer.

The requirement for having an American vote is not needed on this forum.

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Rape is, and already was, a crime punishable by long prison sentences. It still happens. Claiming it will be eliminated because of the TX abortion law in dishonesty of the highest order. Man, I hope you guys are just trolling. Nobody can be that dumb.

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When Texas' new abortion law made no exceptions in cases of rape, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott defended it with an assurance: Texas would get to work eliminating rapes.

Reporter: Gov Abbott, could you please explain to us how you intend to "eliminate rape" in Texas?

Abbott: Yes indeed, well, I've been giving that subject a lot of thought....in fact, that's how I'm going to eliminate rape. Just like our great former-President....oops....I mean current President...I'm going to "think" it to be true, and it will magically happen...

Reporter: Uhhh....do you really mean that?

Abbott: Of course not, but all my gullible far-right supporters out there will...which is all that matters...they'll believe anything I say.... Tomorrow I'm going to announce the world is flat...just like Texas...watch how much money I can raise off that...

Welcome to MAGA-world...

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thats not what he actually said. He said he would make continued efforts to eliminate it.

such as

measures to clear rape test kit backlogs, a law signed in June aimed at coordinating and expanding sexual assault resources and a task force his office launched in 2019 to address the issue.

Which despite some unproven number of phone calls to a hotline that likely wants more funding, the crime statistics back up.

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Who do you blame?

Idiots.

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Texas vow to 'eliminate all rapists' rings hollow:

How to do away with rapists especially in countries where free, casual, frequent sex is common? It becomes rape when a party decides to claim no consent.

Meanwhile, abortion takes place everyday, legally or not..

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rapes in Texas have decreased due to the effort of the governor. He will continue those efforts.

In the meantime, first how many pregnancies have resulted from these rapes and how many of those women would have been unable to at least go to the next state over to have an abortion if they wanted?

that number would end up being....zero?

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No. Only someone with zero grasp of reality would expect to actually happen in a thousand years. Abbot is another circus barker, getting folks riled with nonsense.

If that we’re so, the fake O’Rourke would be crushing him in the polls.

crime is down in Texas, this is great news.

The quote you provided from the article said that yes. It also said this;

“A sexual assault hotline in Houston has answered almost 4,800 calls through August this year — putting it on track to exceed last year’s volume of 4,843.”

Yes, and?

So, I’d postpone any victory laps for now.

Sadly, it still won’t help the Democrats or their war on the economy and how people function in everyday life, but yeah, run on that issue, it helps the GOP, don’t stop.

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A sexual assault hotline in Houston has answered almost 4,800 calls through August this year — putting it on track to exceed last year’s volume of 4,843.”

Yes, and?

August. Sexual assaults in Texas are either going to magically stop in August or be higher than last year.

I know, I know, it’s a hotline. Those callers are making it all up. Abbot knows what’s really happening. /s

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wallaceToday  07:23 am JST

What sort of man thinks he will eliminate rape and incest?

"Eight out of 10 cases of rape are committed by someone known to the victim, according to Department of Justice data shared by the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, or RAINN, an anti-sexual violence organization. Among child and teen victims, that rate is even higher at 93%. Most of these crimes are not perpetrated by unknown assailants, as Abbott’s statement suggests by characterizing rapists on “the streets.”

Texas has one of the highest rape rates.

Abbott is a dork. He has no clue what rape truly is or its effects or any of its factors. Besides, he's always been a yes-man to Trump who technically made rape and incest look OK.

Kurumazaka2.1Today  11:55 am JST

Rape is, and already was, a crime punishable by long prison sentences. It still happens. Claiming it will be eliminated because of the TX abortion law in dishonesty of the highest order. Man, I hope you guys are just trolling. Nobody can be that dumb.

The MAGA followers are.

Awa no GaijinToday  08:54 am JST

Stopping rape in Texas is impossible.

A ridiculous pipe dream

Chewing on Jimson's weed a lot again.

MAGA sheep believe everything they're told. And they would believe this too. And I have some good property on Enceladus (one of the many moons of Saturn) to sell you too. Cheap.

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black, bass---I'm up for just freezing out this troll.

Quick, type fast.

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