Fort Hood suspect said methodical goodbyes

"His anger was noted by a classmate, who said Hasan “viewed the war against terror” as a “war against Islam."

So then he should have resigned his commission at the earliest allowable date and returned to civilian life.

He reportedly served 8 years as an enlisted man prior to his medical education and service at Walter Reed Army Hospital. How much did the military do for this bastard at taxpayer expense?

But then again, President Barack Obama, our Commander-in-Chief, has cautioned against jumping to conclusions, probably in the hope that he won't have to deal with too many difficult questions in the aftermath of this tragedy as the mass media moves it to the back burner with the health care vote in the House of Representatives coming up, among other things.

Yet again religion raises its ugly head.

His anger was noted by a classmate, who said Hasan “viewed the war against terror” as a “war against Islam.”

Gee, I wonder how he got that idea? Was he reading comments on JT? Yeah, I sometimes wonder myself what the wars are about!

And in case you cannot come to the concept on your own, it is possible to war against something a little at a time, all the while swearing its something else, all the while talking smack about Islam on JT. Yeah, someone might get the wrong idea. Or did they?

So there were a whole host of warning flags raised about this guy, and nothing was done. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that somebody dropped the ball big time on this one.

Anyway, this issue about muslims and the military is not going to be addressed following this. With this chap on a ventilator, it is highly likely that he will conveniently "expire" before this whole case comes to trial. Such a development will give the politicians an opportunity to avoid confronting such issues again.

Hasan told classmates he was “a Muslim first and an American second.”

Why should any American ever trust a professing muslim again when they can metastasize into frothing jihadist lunatics?

Why should any American ever trust a professing muslim again when they can metastasize into frothing jihadist lunatics?

For the same reason why we shouldn't judge humanity by the posts on JT.

Gee, I wonder how he got that idea? Was he reading comments on JT? Yeah, I sometimes wonder myself what the wars are about!" Because that is exactly what it should have been from jump street! I'm sure there were "good" Nazis too. But we went to war against nazism and we weren't afraid to admit it even though there were a bunch of Nazis in America at that time.

The only details that are important now is who is the leader of religious education that warped his mind.

So then he should have resigned his commission at the earliest allowable date and returned to civilian life. " Hahaha, you can easily get out of the mil by saying your gay, but if he were to say I want out because I want to fight for the other side, he would have been kept in today's Army!

The Fort Hood shooter participated in Obama's Homeland Security Transition Planning. Van Jones, Rev Wright, William Ayers. He sure can pick em.

Polls are going and bets are being placed that this guy gets off on insanity!

This stinks to high heaven on both the shooter and the other soldiers there IMO. Considering that he already had people that had emnity for him due to his beliefs, the "alla akbar" comment sounds like hyperbole and sensational propaganda. Not that it makes much difference now since he's the suspected shooter. I'm still going to go with the innocent until proven guilty for now. But this is the 2nd time I've heard the phrase, "I'm Muslim first and >>Insert nationality/ethnicity/homo sapien here<<" so Islam still has some kind of extremely misguided teachings for people to feel more loyalty to a religion than to being a part of humanity as a whole.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, but if it leads you into thinking you should kill, subjugate, or attack others because of your religious ideology, you've got too many nuts in the cracker box. Most normal people devoted to their religion have enough sense to adapt to the laws of man developed in that country. Not try to make their own laws.

We'll just have to wait and see how this all turns out. Glad he survived because we sure as hell want to know what excuses he has in his defense and perception of reality. If a group of people can lie, and some people can concoct some really sick ideas to take someone down if they're wicked and hateful enough, its pretty hard to prove their innocence.

He could have refused to deploy, he would have been discharged and, 13 real good people would still be alive. Another thing, he did not gun down his comrades. He shot and killed people he hated.

Like it or not, to some people in the borderlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan he will be a hero.

I feel some sorrow for the network newscasters, but enjoy watching the theater of the absurd guys like Keith Olbermann bring into our homes. The gunman - a doctor, a man who took the Hippocratic Oath - was shouting "Allahu Akbar" as he mowed down his victims. But the White House has decided what The Narrative must be, so reporters have to dance around calling this a terrorist attack. The president cautions against "jumping to conclusions", and the networks lose even more viewers to the cable guys.

Hasan, meanwhile, was transferred Friday to the Brooke Army Medical Center at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio. Rossi gave no indication of his condition except to say he was “not able to converse.”

I truly hope that the real reason he can't talk is because this bastard has a breathing tube jammed down his throat and he is paralyzed from the neck down.

""Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — an Arabic phrase for “God is great!” — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt Gen Robert Cone, the post commander."

"Hasan appeared less forgiving to Dr. Val Finnell when they were classmates in a 2007-08 master’s public health program at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md.

He said that at a class presentation by public health students, at which topics like dry cleaning chemicals and house mold were discussed, Hasan talked about U.S. military actions as a war on Islam. Hasan made clear he was a “vociferous opponent” of U.S. wars in Muslim countries, Finnell said.""

The man was islamic and against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. His motivation is obvious and the details to come will only provide a more complete picture of the fact that he killed out of anger and in cold blood in a most vicious fashion.

We will indeed learn more and should.

His calculated murders in the name of islam will force by necessity closer scrutiny of any American soldier who professes to be islamic.

This is only logical and this is not the first time such an attack has occured.

Not mentioned in this article is the fact that a female officer took a bullet from him herself as she pumped four into him.

Moreover, he lives. This is a tribute to the basic humanity of the soldiers around him. Who would not have been tempted to finish off this killer? But he is now hospitalized and once he recovers he will be able to supply important information. So, keeping him alive was not only humane but very very smart.

“He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American,” said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin. “He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge.”

And it would appear that having massacred so many American soldiers he was indeed not fit to be an officer or an American.

You can ask the survivors and their families to confirm this last for you.

Finally, why did he not proceed with the discharge rather than discharging his weapon at his fellow soldiers?

I have been giving this a bit of thought.

Apparently this guy was a devout Muslim who was not hot on the idea of the US military being present in Muslim countries (Iraq and Afghanistan). On top of this, what does the army do? They assign him to a job as a counselor of soldiers who are suffering from trauma as a result of deployment to the aforementioned countries. While not being privy to the content of any sessions he had with these soldiers, you could imagine that they would be quite harrowing including topics such as the killing of Muslims, etc. Talk about fanning the flames with petrol!

As I said earlier, despite all the warning flags going up regarding this guy, why wasn't anything done?

You are quite right timorborder! This man already had official red flags popping up all over himself. His evaluation at Walter Reed was "poor." He had been supposedly monitored for months for inflammatory comments he posted on the internet. Still find him in this video at a Homeland Security event. Certainly a soldier must be prepared to take orders and go where his ordered to go. But with all of the danger signs painted on this guy one would expect he would have been stopped before the culmination of his story into one ending in the death of several and the wounding of several more.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/06/video-footage-shows-hasan-in-november-at-homeland-security-event/

Being a Muslim would have only compounded his despair over his impending deployment to Afghanistan. I only wish he had expressed his anger in a more non-violent manner.

If he fired indiscrimintaely, then it is quite possible that he hit Muslims among his victims. His argument about not wanting to shoot fellow Muslims holds no water.

timorborder: "As I said earlier, despite all the warning flags going up regarding this guy, why wasn't anything done?"

Kudos for the good post. I agree with you 100%, but it's pretty clear that the US military isn't exactly in the best state to pick and choose. They're recruiting policies involve duping the uneducated at shopping malls, and even hiring former criminals and gang members. They clearly don't want to just start booting people out because of red flags. Well, until this incident, anyway.

nandakandamanda: "If he fired indiscrimintaely, then it is quite possible that he hit Muslims among his victims. His argument about not wanting to shoot fellow Muslims holds no water."

Excellent point.

smithinjapan

Notice you bailed out of the thread on the orignial article of this incident, but do you still maintain that Islam isn't relevant to this case? I think the more info that comes to light the thinner you'll find the secular ice you're standing on...

Whoops, JT, what happened to this article "Details emerge about Fort Hood suspect's history"?

I look up the "Details emerge . . . ." article to find no link to it.

Moderator: It is this story but with a different headline and it has been updated.

America - your enemy is all around you.

This is not going to help Muslims' image.

Some excellent backgound reading here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/a-muslim-soldiers-view-fr_b_348973.html

Hasan is responsible for his actions and he will die if his wounds don't take him first.

smith: "Kudos for the good post. I agree with you 100%, but it's pretty clear that the US military isn't exactly in the best state to pick and choose. They're recruiting policies involve duping the uneducated at shopping malls, and even hiring former criminals and gang members. They clearly don't want to just start booting people out because of red flags. Well, until this incident, anyway." Smith, its not a kudos point. If you've ever been in the mil, you'd know that if a complain would have been raised, at least these days, about ones political or religious views, could get the person voicing it in more trouble than the person they are complaining about. I know you won't believe me though.

"but do you still maintain that Islam isn't relevant to this case?"

Relevant in so much as he's a muslim. If every muslim in the US was the red-eyed fanatics that some of the equally fanatical anti-Islamists on JT then there'd be suicide bombings in the US to an equal frequency as there are in Baghdad.

What's more relevant to the case is they guy was a freakin' looney tune, Islam, Chrisitan, Jew, Jedi or devil-worshipper.

Whoops...

"If every muslim in the US was the red-eyed fanatics that some of the equally fanatical anti-Islamists on JT would have us believe then there'd be suicide bombings in the US to an equal frequency as there are in Baghdad."

Madverts

All I'm saying, in contrast to smithinjapan and perhaps you, is that this man's faith played a significant role in his decision making process (both rational and irrational) to do the horrible thing that he did. That's all. There are probably many other contributing factors like his non-religious personal/personality problems, second-hand PTSD (if there is such a thing) from his counseling of veterans, issues with his military career, etc. but his faith was a key ingredient. I don't think saying this makes this an anti-Islam rant at all.

I knew it. I'm listening to MSNBC tonight. They are saying he got PTSD from listening to his patients.... and the "how hard it must be for him to be a Muslim AND AN AMERICAN having to fight this war..".

"If every muslim in the US was the red-eyed fanatics that some of the equally fanatical anti-Islamists on JT then there'd be suicide bombings in the US to an equal frequency as there are in Baghdad." I didn't any of us has caused anyone any harm. I guess regular Muslims should rise up and re-take their religion from the fanatics running it.

There are radical sects of Judaism, but I don't see radical Jews going around in the US military shooting other soldiers becase the U.S. is seeming to fall back on it's pledges to Israel, nor do I see radical evangelicals shooting up military hospitals because they can give abortions. For those who don't know, in the military today, one can't just ridicule anyone because of their religon. I have even seen Christian chaplains having to take off their crosses when we went to Saudi Arabia as to not offend the Saudi's. So I say this guy was not a victim of PTSD, or any other disease (if that is the case, I should be a PTSD vet from Vietnam from the many times I have seen Apocolypse Now, Platoon, etc.) He knew what he was doing, and the US Army failed to stop him. Many warning signs that his comrades saw they did not report.

Funny in this case, I have not heard the calls on the board for more gun control in the US. When a white guy goes nuts and shoots up a workplace, all I see on the board is "more gun control" and the US is just a trigger happy wild wild west. But here on this board, and even in the US press, no mention of gun control on this one. It just goes to show, that in the age of political correctness, it is ok to bash a white christian (hey, I can't believe I am saying that since I am a Black Christian) but hands off on a muslim so we won't seem as politically incorrect.

It is high time for some racial profiling to begin in America.

skipthesong

Gotta love MSNBC. Was it Rachel Madcow herself on the soapbox or just someone else reading the teleprompter?

All I have to say is this.

Maj. Hasan's ideology and stated beliefs are, to borrow a phrase, an inconvenient truth that must be ignored, excused and downplayed by the media and the apologist Left (but I repeat myself) until proper blame can be assessed and assigned to the usual suspects (Fox News, talk radio, the right-wing blogosphere, Sarah Palin, George Bush, the US military, Wal Mart, Haliburton, the religious Right, Israel, et. al., etc., ad naseum).

By all indications, this was a premeditated terrorist attack by a Muslim man infected by Islamic religeous hatred. Of course he became disliked by his peers - he was basically telling them that he hated them because they believed in fighting terrorists. Any of this crap about him have PTSD is just that - crap. He was never been in combat. He became radicalized for some reason and was in a perfect position to attack the US military from within. It will be interesting to know if he was ever in contact with anyone else that may have influenced him to do this or if he decided on this by himself.

I've heard that he was upset that he was not treated well in the military because he is Muslim. So after yelling "Allah Akbar!" and killing and wounding dozens of soldiers he hasn't done any favors for other Muslims in the service.

This was an act of terrorism and I wish the media would report it as such. To do otherwise is an odd avoidance of the plain facts that everyone can see to be true. Political correctness has gotten out of hand in the media and even within the military itself.

Hasan made clear he was a “vociferous opponent” of U.S. wars in Muslim countries" So, do we take this as he was NOT opposed to war, only a war in which Muslims are getting killed? does he shed tears or sorrow when an AQ Kamikaze kills Muslims? I doubt that question will be asked of him... you know once he's out of his sleep, anything he says is going to be hushed up.

This was an act of terrorism and I wish the media would report it as such. To do otherwise is an odd avoidance of the plain facts that everyone can see to be true. Political correctness has gotten out of hand in the media and even within the military itself.

Terrorism generally means attacks on civilians. This was an attack on a military base by a lone shooter whose motives remain unclear despite all the speculation, so there is a bit of uncertainty as to what to call it. Hardly a case of PC for anyone not a fanatic.

[This was an attack on a military base by a lone shooter whose motives remain unclear despite all the speculation, so there is a bit of uncertainty as to what to call it. Hardly a case of PC for anyone not a fanatic.]

Unclear? Well I think that "Allah Akbar" sheds some light on it. Speculation it is but it's based on some facts. Your speculation that anyone expressing this opinion is a "fanatic" is more of a sensationalism than what is being said about this shooter.

What they guy did was premeditated murder. That's pretty much what it comes down to. His actions were motivated by a radical form of Islam not shared by most Muslims in the world. The blame is on him for subscribing to a such a warped philosophy that results in intentionally murdering innocent people around him. If he practiced the same form of Islam that nearly everyone else does then the victims would still be alive today.

Blaming it on the military or conflicts overseas is equally bogus. You can't have it both ways. You can't tell me that his anger is legitimate on one hand and then say that he's an isolated case on the other. Muslims are exposed to the conflicts just as they're exposed to Islam, and a vast majority of them do not kill innocent people. That fact shows that he's the exception in both cases, not just one.

What I don't understand is that if he wanted to kill people who kill Muslims, wouldn't the Taliban be his #1 target right now? We're practically seeing daily bombings in Pakistan that kill innocent Muslims. I don't know what the current score sheet is, but my guess is that recently they're outpacing pretty much everyone else.

smithinjapan: it's pretty clear that the US military isn't exactly in the best state to pick and choose. They're recruiting policies involve duping the uneducated at shopping malls, and even hiring former criminals and gang members. They clearly don't want to just start booting people out because of red flags

This coming from the self-appointed "Anti-Generalization Czar" of Japan Today.... But I know what you mean. I read the same posts from adaydream, USAFdude, Taka313, et al. Maybe you should ask them what shopping mall they came from.

Alphaape: Funny in this case, I have not heard the calls on the board for more gun control in the US. When a white guy goes nuts and shoots up a workplace, all I see on the board is "more gun control" and the US is just a trigger happy wild wild west. But here on this board, and even in the US press, no mention of gun control on this one.

That's a pretty interesting point. I don't buy the racism angle, but I think it shows that people probably pick and choose how they use the victims so they can support whatever point it is they want to make. Had this not been military related, you're right, it would have instantly turned into a gun control debate with people taking their usual sides. But since the military angle is in play, people are using the story to project their own hangups about Islam or Bush or the military or whatever.

" Relatives said he felt harassed because of his Muslim faith but did not embrace extremism. "

Isn´t that typical. After each islamic terror incident, the non-terrorist part of the ummah turns and, instead of acknowledging the problem, turns around and plays victim. And our media continue to fall for it.

USN,

"All I'm saying, in contrast to smithinjapan and perhaps you, is that this man's faith played a significant role in his decision making process"

Respectfully, I don't think you have any phsycological evidence to back that claim up. How many other US spree-shooters were muslims? Without looking at figures, I'm guessing there's a huge majority of these nutcases that opened up the fire on anybody in the vicinity that were not muslims. They will, however, all have shared the sames nutter gene which is the real culprit in playing "a significant role in his decision making process". Anything else is just an excuse to use his religion as the reason for his actions, when it's clearly some sort of a mental breakdown IMO.

"I don't think saying this makes this an anti-Islam rant at all."

I wasn't particularly meaning you - some posters, especially one individual use the boards for no other reason than to spew hate about Islam at every opertune moment.

farhaan,

Aliens again? Heh, who in their right mind would stage an event like this?

And to what ends?

Heh, the conspiracy is so dumb it isn't even intriguing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer

Not one muslim there, until the page get's edited to add this individuals death toll I guess.

Just occasionally , American melting pot encounters such a tough metal to melt ...please don't despair , just fine tune the system and thing will be ok again. My sympathy to America.

Madverts: I'm guessing there's a huge majority of these nutcases that opened up the fire on anybody in the vicinity that were not muslims. They will, however, all have shared the sames nutter gene which is the real culprit in playing "a significant role in his decision making process". Anything else is just an excuse to use his religion as the reason for his actions, when it's clearly some sort of a mental breakdown IMO.

It's fair to say that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it's also fair to say that nearly all terrorists are Muslim. There's an organized structure that uses Islam to create radical members that doesn't really seem to exist in other religions. There are Christians who blow up abortion clinics, but they seem to be the "lone gunman," not really someone groomed or trained by someone else. So you can't really say that these nutters are all pointing to the same religion as mere coincidence. They have a command structure, training, financing, manuals, websites, etc. They target certain people, recruit, etc.

What does it all mean? I'm not sure...heh. Being Muslim seems more like a way of life than other religions. I'm Christian but I don't practice any faith, but you don't seem to see many people who say they are Muslim but don't practice their faith. Maybe it's Islam is a religion that, when abused, makes people more easy to manipulate. I really don't know.

Super,

I accept what you say - my main issue is the way people are jumping on Islam here to associate this individuals actions with it. Terrorism is a world wide phenomenen, but the shotting-spree is a largely American monompoly. This is perhaps due to the availability of guns, or the sheer size of the population, but each and every time these are individuals that are mentally defective.

Whilst each and every shooting spree due to it's very nature is an act of terrorism, I don't think it's fair to call this particular incident an act of Islamic terrorism.

It's an un-prepared act of terrorism comitted by a derranged individual who happens to be a muslim. man, let's be thankfull he wasn't a real terrorist, groomed and prepared by other fanatics. The death toll here would have been horrendous.

Better phycological care needs to be taken of these service people. Incidents like this can surely be avoided.

Well, its just too funny that the few remaining bush supporters need to TRY and make this about Islam, as if the shooter was screaming "G-d is great" or something as he succumbed to the PTSD that bush caused him to suffer and lashed out. My condolences to the families of the victims.RIP, people.

Of course he went to war. He went to die as a shahid in the jihad, guaranteeing him a place in paradise and the virgins.

There is no different to his preparations to become a martyr for god, and those of the 9/11 bombers. Same belief, same logic. There is no higher honor than to die and be killed in the jihad.