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Dior suspends Galliano for alleged anti-Semitism

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I hate anti-semites. Drunk is no excuse. One does not suddenly become anti semite when drunk. It was in him all the time.

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haruka,

Exactly, the alcohol probably just loosened his tongue. A fashionable Mel Gibson as it were.

The French law is also kind of scary though. Up to six months in prison for being insulting? Seems overboard to me.

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What actually is an anti semitic remark,having travelled the world and heard insults against most nationalities,males and females,about race,gender,like many people of the world and myself upon a number of occasions,I just put it down to ignorance and a lack of mentality on behalf of the person using those remarks. So what makes a remark offensive ??

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Time to start a new house, Mr. Galliano.

Bon chance, and take all your clients with you!

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Whether or not Mr. Galliano will succeed in his past-Dior career actually depends on what US Vogue editor, Ms. Anna Wintour, thinks. As futile as it may seem, her power as portraited in The Devil Wears Prada is real.

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Why is it that celebrities' social graces are so often inversely proportional to their income and fame?

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wordstar: so I guess the new term should be charliesheened??

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Forgive me for being contrary, but the article doesn't mention what was said, nor has he been convicted of anything racism related, nor does he apparently have a history of racist behavior.

It's times like this I detest the instant news cycle. A man's reputation is in ruins based on an (as of yet) unproven accusation. Isn't it best for the facts to come more into focus before people slam this man for being a racist?

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Exactly! What did he say? Maybe it wasn't anti-semetic, but anti-Zionist. World of difference between the two.

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World of difference between the two.

Sometimes they are the exact same thing.

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Under French law, making anti-Semitic remarks can be punishable by up to six months in prison

I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks.

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I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks.

Interesting question - but I'm guessing the distinction made for crimes of anti-Jewish sentiment is in part based on the recognition that in France until quite recently Jewishness was a racial category(in most cases) whereas anyone can see Islam is an ideology, a syncretic desert cult adopted or forced upon many different peoples,(and it is of course over the long arc of European history the most implacable enemy of European civilization).

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I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks.

No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection.

I'd like to know what he said, since the term "anti-semite" gets thrown around so much. Without knowing what he said, this AP article is quite meaningless.

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According to the woman that was assaulted he said a thousand times “Dirty Jewish face, you should be dead,” calling her a “whore” and “ugly”.

It seems he also made racist comments to her Asian companion, which I cannot write here.

What he said was clearly not nice, but if I were to chose a headline to best reflect what he said, I would have chosen "death threats" or "racist remarks" before choosing "antisemitism". But as expected, it seems AP felt the antisemitism outweighed the other two.

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I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks.

Of course there is. Everybody Is protected in French law ! Discrimination on ethnic, gender, religion basis is punished by law. Freedom of expression is more and more limited. And because more and more European companies have their shares marketed at Wall Street, American 'good thinking' is more and more spreading in old Europe. It is often very excessive and hypocrite. We do not need laws to tell people how they should think. We have education for that. Accepting a law there is the recognition that education system is a failure. In Galliano's case, be careful not to be blamed for discrimination against the gays... Instead of a dangerous community approach I prefer a more simplistic rule : respect others and do not insult anybody...

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haruka at 08:23 AM JST - 26th February

I hate anti-semites. Drunk is no excuse. One does not suddenly become anti semite when drunk. It was in him all the time.

So, Tell me what a semite is.

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Europe's main export: racism.

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To sabiwabi, "Under French law, making anti-Semitic remarks can be punishable by up to six months in prison I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks."

You mean anti-Arabic? btw for Semitic,Arabic,or everybody, all racist remarks are punished by the same law in France. Why make a distinction? It's just should be writen "racist remarks" in the article for your understanding.

To sabiwabi, "No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection."

Are you sure ? For my part ,I'm sure you don't know nothing about France and laws there.

"It seems he also made racist comments to her Asian companion, which I cannot write here."

Why not, another distinction?

To Frenchy92, " It is often very excessive and hypocrite. We do not need laws to tell people how they should think. We have education for that. Accepting a law there is the recognition that education system is a failure."

In Japan,it' a total opposite situation, Japaneses are "well educated" in general, since kindergarden the system teach them how to think. According to GOJ,there is no need for a discrimination law in Japan, but "national racism" is almost everywhere in Japan and made without impunity ,even in the media everyday.

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"It seems he also made racist comments to her Asian companion, which I cannot write here."

Why not, another distinction?

From my own experience on this forum, I have a good idea what will get my post deleted and what will get me suspended for 48 hrs. Quoting the comments to the Asian companion would get me at least suspended for 48 hrs.

To sabiwabi, "No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection."

Are you sure ? For my part ,I'm sure you don't know nothing about France and laws there.

You're correct, I don't know nothing about France and her laws, I know quite a lot in fact.

Learn about what happened to Dieudonne in France and you'll probably agree with my comments.

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At this time it would be wrong to judge this racist scum for insulting these nice people so I will of course wait until he is deservingly hung from the nearest lamppost. However I do know that some people should face terms in prison when they write “I don't know nothing about France and her laws,”. Don’t know nothing is only too true. It’s painful to read so how could you write such a thing?

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"From my own experience on this forum, I have a good idea what will get my post deleted and what will get me suspended for 48 hrs. Quoting the comments to the Asian companion would get me at least suspended for 48 hrs"

Hontoni,really? so it's ok for you to repeat the racist remarks against the Jewish person but not the Asian person? Do you mean Japan Today do discrimination?

"You're correct,I don't know nothing about France and her laws,"

so what is your interest , ambition to speak about what you don't know and btw to do misinformation, you are wasting your time right?

"I know quite a lot in fact,Learn about what happened to Dieudonne in France and you'll probably agree with my comments."

Is it all the fact you know about France? What happened to Dieudonne? I know Dieudonne since his career began (2 decades ago?)with his friend who is of Jewish origin.

How can I agree with you? since then Semitic is a religion? before looking for my agrement ,try to not mix everything, (even if in France all kind of racisms are punished)and to know the topic,learn about it. Just a question ,do you speak french?

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"From my own experience on this forum, I have a good idea what will get my post deleted and what will get me suspended for 48 hrs. Quoting the comments to the Asian companion would get me at least suspended for 48 hrs"

Hontoni,really? so it's ok for you to repeat the racist remarks against the Jewish person but not the Asian person?

No, different words were used in both cases. Find out what the guy said and you will understand.

Is it all the fact you know about France? What happened to Dieudonne?

No.

I know Dieudonne since his career began (2 decades ago?)with his friend who is of Jewish origin.

Hontoni,really? It seems all you know about Dieudonne is what you read on Wiki. If you were really family with his situation you would understand that although in theory all kinds of racisms may be punished in France, in reality it is not quite the case.

BTW, do you consider the alleged anti-semitic remark to be worst than the death threat or the anti-Asian remark?

Anyway, considering that the woman that was "assaulted" claims Galliano repeated the insult 1000 times, I wonder how much of this entire story is true.

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If you were really family with his situation you would understand that although in theory all kinds of racisms may be punished in France

So when you wrote this:

No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection.

you were just riffing?

Anyway, you were and are obviously mistaken as you later admit. France punishes all kinds of racism. It is possible the death threat claim does not actually work here because the accused did not say 'I am going to kill you.' I don't think it is illegal in France to say 'You should be dead'.

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If the reports are true, Galliano is certainly a pig of a human.

Again, I am not sure how far a law against insulting should go. It is clear that France does prosecute against all kinds of racism, not just anti-Semitism as completely incorrect claimed above.

Brigitte Bardot received a 15000-euro fine for inciting hatred against Muslims.

Of course, if you are only obsessed with one RELIGION, it may be difficult to see such things.

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It is possible the death threat claim does not actually work here because the accused did not say 'I am going to kill you.' I don't think it is illegal in France to say 'You should be dead'.

"I'll kill you" is what he said to the Asian companion. If the allegations are true, he definitely made a death threat.

BTW, I don't recall ever saying that anti-semitism is the only one protected by law and other forms of racist/anti-religion comments were never prosecuted; so I don't see where I have admitted being wrong or how bringing up the example of Bardot proves me wrong.

Again, anyone who wants to understand the situation in France should look into Dieudonne's case. As a famous French comedian, he had been joking many different groups without any significant problems. It is only when he made a sketch of an Israeli "settler" that all hell broke loose, with legal and other problems. During one of the many attacks against him on French TV, one guy said something like "well, after all, he's a n....." commenting on his African ancestry; this racist comment did not bring very much condemnation, if any.

Anyway, before buying Dior products, potential Asian costumers might want to think about Dior's considering anti-semitic comments as graver than anti-Asian ones or as death threats.

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I don't recall ever saying that anti-semitism is the only one protected by law and other forms of racist/anti-religion comments were never prosecuted

You have a short memory:

To someone else's question:

I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks.

You wrote:

No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection.

My example was to show you you were wrong.

I don't recall ever saying that anti-semitism is the only one protected by law and other forms of racist/anti-religion comments were never prosecuted

Then, what, may I ask, is the purpose of bringing this up?:

It is only when he made a sketch of an Israeli "settler" that all hell broke loose, with legal and other problems.

Diedonne's case has nothing to do with this. Stick to the subject, please.

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Sabiwabi,

"BTW, I don't recall ever saying that anti-semitism is the only one protected by law and other forms of racist/anti-religion comments were never prosecuted" You seem to have forgotten what you posted earlier!! "I wonder if they also have a law for making anti-Islamic remarks. No, only one RELIGION gets this special protection."

That seems to imply only Jews get protected by law. And as for your last comment it actually says in the report he was suspended for making anti semetic and racist remarks so stop trying to stir the pot by highlighting the Jewish angle and downplaying the Asian one.

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Indeed, only one religion gets SPECIAL protection. The other religions get occasionally get some protection. But hey, go ahead and continue splitting hairs.

BTW, do any of you consider the alleged anti-semitic remark to be worst than the death threat or the anti-Asian remark?

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sabiwabi,

"BTW, do any of you consider the alleged anti-semitic remark to be worst than the death threat or the anti-Asian remark"

Any remark whether it be anti semetic, anti Asian or anything else is bad, why does one have to be worse than the other. The guy screwed up he got drunk he made remarks that are unacceptable now he pays the price who really cares if they are anti semetic or anti asian on a whole what he said is not on.

What l find interesting is your response one minute you are saying Jews get special laws then you say you never said it now you say again they do please make up your mind and keep your own well know and documented anti semetic racial remarks out of the arguement.

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Galliano made an anti-Jewish comment ("1000 times"), an anti-Asian comment, and made a death threat. Dior decides to suspend him for "anti-semitism", not for anti-Asianism or for the death threat.

keep your own well know and documented anti semetic racial remarks out of the arguement.

Yes, that baseless accusation continues to be thrown at me, by people who aren't intelligent enough to demonstrate how my comments are antisemitic.

I don't recall ever saying that Galliano's "anti-semitic" assault was good or that I agreed with it.

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Sabiwabi,

"The House of Dior declares with the greatest firmness its policy of zero tolerance with regard to any anti-Semitic or racist statement or attitude," Dior boss Sidney Toledano said in a statement" now the statement clearly states ant semetic AND racism, no where in the official statement does it say he was susspended purely for anti semetic statement. It is purely a JT headline that states the ant semetic angle if you read the whole article you will see the quote.

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Indeed, only one religion gets SPECIAL protection. The other religions get occasionally get some protection. But hey, go ahead and continue splitting hairs.

To the question as to whether there was a French law that punished anti-Islamic slurs, you wrote, 'No.' You were incorrect. There are laws protecting those you claimed are not protected and they are enforced as I proved. That is not splitting hairs. That is pointing out an error.

Yes, that baseless accusation continues to be thrown at me, by people who aren't intelligent enough to demonstrate how my comments are antisemitic.

You focus much of your time and energy on the subject of people and things Jewish, in what can easily can be considered a negative fashion.

I don't recall ever saying that Galliano's "anti-semitic" assault was good or that I agreed with it.

I don't recall you saying that the comment was bad either. Putting it anti-Semitic in quotations makes you even less convincing.

Galliano made an anti-Jewish comment ("1000 times"), an anti-Asian comment, and made a death threat. Dior decides to suspend him for "anti-semitism", not for anti-Asianism or for the death threat

So? Do you agree that they were all horrible remarks? Yes? Then what difference does it make which one Dior decided for themselves was offensive to them?

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I checked out some of the background on the story. Evidently, the couple in the article thought Galliano was a homeless person bothering them. That might have been what ticked Galliano off. Still, if the story is true, he is a racist pure and simple.

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Luxury supernova Christian Dior SA did the unthinkable Friday, suspending creative director John Galliano ... after he was accused of issuing an anti-Semitic insult at a Paris bar.

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Paris prosecutors said the British designer was questioned by police and released after a couple accused him of hurling an anti-Semitic insult at them.

Also, if you Google "Dior suspends Galliano for alleged anti-Semitism" you'll see how wide-spread this story is. The title and the article's contents are from AP, not JT.

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sabiwabi,

And if you search "Dior suspends Galliano for alleged racism" you also get the story. Most news outlets are focussing on the anti semetism aspect but also mention the racism aspect as well. However your earlier statement was "Galliano made an anti-Jewish comment ("1000 times"), an anti-Asian comment, and made a death threat. Dior decides to suspend him for "anti-semitism", not for anti-Asianism or for the death threat" which regardless of how you spin it is not true as the statement from Dior shows.

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which regardless of how you spin it is not true as the statement from Dior shows.

Exactly.

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Also, if you Google "Dior suspends Galliano for alleged anti-Semitism" you'll see how wide-spread this story is.

So? He is a famous person accused of doing something outrageous. What bothers you so much about the fact this story is 'widespread'. Why is it so hard for you to understand people can be offended by anti-Semitic and racist statements? Why do you seem to be suggesting it is wrong to mention when someone is accused of saying something anti-Semitic. Why does this make you have the need to miss represent French laws on racism to make it absolutely incorrectly seem as though only Jews are protected under the law in Franc?

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