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© Thomson Reuters 2024.Trump faces revised U.S. indictment in election subversion case
By Andrew Goudsward and Sarah N. Lynch WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
93 Comments
ok1517
I still wonder how a draft dodging, military insulting, convicted felon can apply for the presidency of the USA.
He should finally be sent to where he belongs, Rikers!
John
Same acts which were not official rejiggered to take out the DOJ communications because there’s more than enough to convict without them.
Don had better get off the golf course and start campaigning because he’s running for his freedom.
If he loses the cases go forward and he will be found guilty because he is guilty. Guilty AF.
And when he’s found guilty he will receive a prison term because he doesn’t get to skate by for instigating an attempted coup when his goober rubes are serving time for failing in said attempted overthrow of the government.
He’s gonna need more lawyers. I hear Rudy’s available and he works CHEAP!
Probably because he’s bankrupt and been disbarred.
JJE
Sounds like they are flogging a dead horse.
Silver lining is this will reshine the spotlight on the Biden/Harris weaponization of the JD, which has been out of the headlines recently.
This will be pinned squarely where it belongs: on Harris.
Watch.
Cards fan
No, it sounds like they're responding to the Supreme Court's decision.
Banthu
The Deep State is going to put Trump into prison.
He's too popular, they can't stop him from winning in a landslide.
NotThe One
LOL!
Judge Cannon has already been overruled by the Appeals Court twice, and this will be number three.
She referenced a single concurring opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas that holds no legal water, and not part of the majority decision in the first place. The evidence is substantial in this case.
Trump's lawyer falsly attesting in writing that all classified documents were returned, was the pretext for Trump's defiance of a subpoena.
It shows his intent not to give up the documents in the first place, by willfully lying about returning all of them, even before they executed a search warrant, finding indictable evidence of classified documents - contrary to what was assured in writing before the subpoena was even issued.
That Conspiratorial Obstruction charge is the easiest to prove. Either Trump willfully conspired to defy a subpoena, or he didn't. Clearly, the malicious intent was established even before the subpoena by Trump, when his lawyer falsly attested in the first place.
NotThe One
LOL!
What is guaranteed is the Appeals Court will not uphold Cannon's dismissal of the case which means she will also be removed making her look even more incompetent.
LOL!
TaiwanIsNotChina
If Trump is going to have judges throw the case for him, nothing wrong with trying again until juries are empaneled.
NotThe One
LOL!
What is guaranteed is the Appeals Court will not uphold Cannon's dismissal of the case which means she will also be removed making her look even more incompetent.
LOL!
Ah_so
The revised indictment also don't through a grand jury which agreed that there is a case to answer.
Trump is so criminal that even when the Supreme Court misinterpreted the Constitution deliberately to give him a get out of jail free card, there is still enough evidence to try him.
It looks like winning the election is Trump's only way not to go to prison for years.
bass4funk
Yawn, none of this will see daylight this year if at all. But hey, Smith is an American, regardless of what a political hit piece hack he is, he can file, that is all he can do.
bass4funk
Ahh, we have a JT poster that knows the Constitution and can interpret it better than the people appointed to the highest bench in the office. Well, imagine that.
Even if he doesn't win he won't go because the left wouldn't have any reason or need to pursue him.
Yrral
I told an Indictment was coming
Bob Fosse
A little uncertainty sneaking in?
Do you really think all the cases will be dropped when he loses? Come on now.
John
Don the con, seen here giving his percentage odds of acquittal….
LOL.
bass4funk
No, 110% certain
If he loses? Yes.
dagon
There is abundant evidence of this; and this person is looking at a second run for the presidency of the US.
The apotheosis of Late Stage Capitalism , like an 80's John Carpenter movie or the Running Man.
It is impossible to deny this after listening to the audio recordings. The recent Lincoln Project ads using these are devastating.
ArtistAtLarge
Good.
Bob Fosse
Sure. ‘Even if’ you believe that it doesn’t matter.
‘If he loses’. Another hypothetical?
He should drop out now then. Surest way to avoid jail time right?
lincolnman
Conviction #1 (34 felonies) down....
Convictions #3, 4, and 5 coming soon...
Result: A jail cell to rot in...
bass4funk
It does matter, that is why you made the statement.
If she wins, yes, hypothetical.
Because it would make the left happy? That is just so absurd. Dem desperation growing fast.
bass4funk
Will never happen.
https://x.com/NanLee1124/status/1828560065495966162
https://x.com/genuke1/status/1656254112537935874
The left will give themselves a heart attack at this point, relax
lincolnman
And tell us again he will never be investigated (wrong), never tried (wrong), and never convicted (wrong)...
Or that Trump won 2020 in a landslide and Dr Oz and Herschel Walker are shoo-ins...
Thanks for keeping your failing record intact....and you may want to check your archive - there are at least two posts where you say "never say never"....
ROFL...
Bob Fosse
No, because according to you all the cases would be dropped.
Hey, it was your claim. I think it’s just so absurd.
dagon
Trump failed the middle class massively in his first admin. Documented.
https://www.afscme.org/blog/trumps-alleged-tax-cut-for-the-middle-class-has-been-anything-but
He can't go back to 2015, his only path forward is by a corporate-funded election swindle again.
Yrral
Trump suppose to surrender or he will be a fugitive,in NY the judge has no choice but to put Trump under or he face judicial sanctioned
bass4funk
And nothing happened.
Zuckerberg Kind if hinted at what really happened as we suspected.
Nothing failed, you guys keep shooting blanks.
Bob Fosse
Talking of safety, the Arizona Police Association just dropped Lake and endorsed Democrat Gallego. A guy the right have tried to accuse of defunding the police and supporting BLM.
I guess they know something about law and order.
Yrral
They need to build a court especially for Trump under the court house to be house,so.he can he supervise
bass4funk
But still endorsing Trump. That's ok, when he wins, he can find another position for her.
Has nothing to do with law and order.
Some dude
This is the kind of thing you'd expect to read about exceptionally poor and corrupt countries, not the self-styled world number 1 superpower. You'd think they'd have more of an ethical guardrail than to let a man with so many legal issues hold the highest office in the country - potentially twice.
The idea of a country like that presuming to be the world's moral exemplar is pretty amusing to us non-Americans.
John
The Atlanta case carries a mandatory 5 year minimum.
The idea that convictions on either inciting an insurrection or stealing government documents including CSI and obstructing its return would result in no prison time, especially when in the former several incitees are serving decades, is so laughable that only a member of the cult would believe it.
oh….. wait.
Bob Fosse
So please explain. Why do the Arizona police want a Democrat Governor?
Gene Hennigh
One problem: The rich have a different justice than the rest of us. Guilty, found guilty, facing further charges: and he will probably walk, winning the election or not. The mere fact that he is allowed to run shows that money can buy you anything. I'm voting against him, but he will do time only if the monied feel like it.
Bob Fosse
*Senator, pardon me.
bass4funk
Ask them, I just care that they police union endorsed Trump. :)
Blacklabel
Oh poor Jack smith. He just nenamed some things and added “personal” or “private” or “candidate” or “citizen” in front of others.
Can’t induct for instructing your own VP what to do?
just rename VP Pence as just a “citizen” even when he was still in office.
Now it’s supposedly illegal! Lol walls are closing in we got him this time!
bass4funk
None of this will come to fruition, that's a fact.
We know, the Dems try so, so very hard.
https://x.com/HappyCamper2626/status/1798463017287291392
Bob Fosse
So instead of saying ‘it’s not about law and order’ it would have been more appropriate to say ‘I don’t know’.
sunfunbun
Whatever tickles your brain. But believe it, MAGA is on its last legs and the influence of a lying GOP has affected every government in the world. Just ask Brexit.
So actually less amusing and should be a concern for every nation, especially the free one’s, to want Trump in prison for his crimes and Harris, a warrior for the people and democracy, to get elected president.
rcch
Some dudeToday 08:51 am JST “ This is the kind of thing you'd expect to read about exceptionally poor and corrupt countries, not the self-styled world number 1 superpower. “
I’ll have to agree with you on this one—the weaponization of the justice system and the fact that Trump has been politically persecuted since 2016 is something we would never expect to see in America.
dagon
Sometimes I wish I lived in the MAGA fantasy world where oligarchs fighting for the people are jailed by an oppressive government.
Is there a country where an authoritarian weaponizes the government to persecute oligarchs who do not fall in line? Hmmm..
This is just the American justice system tardily reacting to an oligarch who has flaunted the law for decades , benefiting from the two-tier injustice system benefiting the wealthy.
Cards fan
Wrong. From the article:
All of this was done to comply with the Supreme Court's ruling.
Not supposedly, they got a grand jury to indictment. A second time in this incident.
Quite a thing for the supporters of a convicted felon to say. I remember them talking the same way before that trial, too. Hey, how'd that work out?
theFu
Simple. The people who created the initial laws were all "felons" - after all they funded and supported a revolution against the British, so they didn't specifically prevent criminals (which they all where) from holding office. They trusted that peer leaders would hold them accountable. Clearly, that hasn't happened and the GOP folded when it should have smacked Trump down. The GOP got played by a con-man, so the US and the world gets to pay.
Trump belongs in jail for many, many, offenses, but the US justice system requires due process and Trump along with his lawyers follow the Deny, Delay, and Redirect method to avoid justice. The US justice system isn't setup to deal with criminals like that, unfortunately.
Most Americans have 1 -2 lawsuits in their entire lives. Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases so far inside the USA. Over 100 of those are over taxes. He'd rather pay lawyers than his fair share of taxes.
Peter Neil
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. — Bertrand Russell
lincolnman
Well, thanks for the clear cut example of MAGA denial of reality - saying you were "never" wrong when Trump was investigated, tried, and convicted - which you said in black and white here "would never happen"...
Like are EVs a "hoax" or "fantastic"?
You prove your failures in every post, and honestly, I have to to tell you everyone here sees it - we all laugh at your outright denial of reality, self-contradictions, and self-owns...
u_s__reamer
That incompetent Cannon needs to be investigated and then fired for all her bias and corruption and the disgrace she has brought on the justice system. She shouldn't be allowed to get away with her egregious malfeasance.
Blacklabel
worked out great, thanks for asking!
bass4funk
The Dems don't even know what reality is.
And he never went to jail and won't, I was 110% right on that.
Gas combustibles Like, like, very like!!
No failures and you can laugh until your last breath because that is all you got and nothing else, been proven right once again
wallace
Trump supports EVs and 15-week abortions. 100% tariffs on all Chinese imports like iPhones, and Microsoft.
Cards fan
Yes. Found guilty on all charges. Worked great.
Yrral
That why Japanese should not even post American stories, because they are insecure with the subject,in America we ask tough questions that have to be answered,we do not stick our head in the sands like ostrich,this election will shape America for 100 years racially
John
Just like you promised that he’d never be investigated, charged, arrested or convicted, eh?
Boy, with a track record like that, you should go into professional sports betting!
ROFL.
Blacklabel
and what happened as a result? Nothing, right?
Some dude
Peter NeilToday 09:36 am JST
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. — Bertrand Russell
Which itself comes from "The Second Coming" by WB Yeats. A poem which seems prophetic whenever you read it.
Cards fan
Right, because sentencing hasn't happened yet. Duh.
At some point even the rightists should probably ask themself what kind of a crook they support, but that'll never happen.
Blacklabel
No, because the verdict is unjust and will be thrown out once it gets out of the hands of the biased judge.
otherwise looking good for Trump being your President in around 70 days. Kamala could only get a +1 nationally out of hard left Yahoo News.
Some dude
Much as I'd like to see him in prison, I actually do think that the Trump Groupies on here might be right about one thing: he will manage to evade justice until his last days. Whether it's down to a sympathetic justice system, corruption, bribery, or whatever. I think that when the history books write about him, one thing they'll mention is how he stuck up two fingers at the justice system for years and basically got away with it.
I'll be delighted to be proved wrong, but on that point at least I think his lickspittles have a point.
Cards fan
Claiming something is unjust doesn't make it unjust.
Yes, he's only down in every swing state that isn't Georgia. The RFK endorsement hasn't panned out as well as rightists were predicting. Everything is going very well. lol
Blacklabel
Likely wont even be a sentencing before the election. If there is, means they know Kamala blew the debate and is losing bad.
Blacklabel
does “or whatever” provide any space for actually being not guilty to begin with?
Blacklabel
Arizona. And more.
N. Knight
He should be in prison for the rest of his life.
Cards fan
It's possible sentencing will be delayed, but that'll just show what a double standard there where the rich and powerful can get away with whatever they want.
Not true at all. They're completely seperate. Aside from that, I'm sure Kamala Harris will easily trounce Trump. Trump can't stop rambling or lying. Kamala on the other hand, she's much better spoken, more polished than Trump. There really is no competition between them.
bass4funk
And still didn't go to prison
Was that a liberal attempt at humor? Odd....
Cards fan
That's one poll. I'm talking about an average of all polls. Trump is losing in every swing state but Georgia.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/
I predict she's going to do an even better job getting out the vote than the GOP considering he's outsourced all of those operations. lol
Blacklabel
The Yahoo news poll was Democrat +5 weighted and she’s only winning by +1.
no “post convention bounce” whatsoever. Seems Beyoncé and TayTay were smart to no show.
Blacklabel
yep the most recent one.
bass4funk
What are you talking about???
https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states
Some dude
does “or whatever” provide any space for actually being not guilty to begin with?
I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't know.
I do understand that he was convicted of 34 felonies, which (legally speaking) counts for something in the eyes of at least some people. I also understand that he was found liable for sexual assault and defamation, which again means something to at least some people.
Course there's that subset of people who clearly intend to vote for him precisely because of the above things and who would vote for him if he was caught committing murder on camera. For those people it is apparently a cognitive impossibility to imagine him being guilty of anything. The big issue is, how many such people are in a position to influence what happens to him subsequently.
Cards fan
Remember when they claimed all those RFK voters were going to Trump? How'd that turn out? oops.
Blacklabel
she lost every poll listed there in August except NY Times 3 weeks ago.
Cards fan
Look at the very top for the aggregate. She's still ahead. No RFK bounce. oops
Blacklabel
No polling since then.
But lots of people by name on socials announcing they moving from RFK to Trump.
Cephus
"Trump faces revised U.S. indictment in election subversion case."
Let me see why? "This indictment, like the initial one, accuses Trump of a multi-part conspiracy to block the certification of his election defeat to Biden."
Thats, interesting bearing in mind the "2020 United States federal government data breach."The attack, which had gone undetected for months, was first publicly reported on December 13, 2020. The cyberattack and data breach were reported to be among the worst cyber-espionage incidents ever suffered by the U.S., due to the sensitivity and high profile of the targets and the long duration (eight to nine months) in which the hackers had access. Well, time to ask ourselves if the entire infrastructure was compromised why rule out the voting systems were not compromised? Then how can we legitimately claim that Biden was the winner and Trump the loser? For nine months nobody detected the so called hackers, that's just pathetic and laughable.
John
You can when it’s not an official act and when the VP is also head of another branch of government.
And that’s what Smith just DID.
Condolences, lol.
Blacklabel
There were sooooo many national polls in the 2-3 days after Biden was pushed out showing Harris magically and suddenly winning.
but oddly little to no legitimate national polling since then. Almost none after DNC.
wonder why?
finally rich
Impeached.
Arrested.
Convicted.
Shot. Still standing.
And they keep trying to rob the American people from their will. Keep trying.
Cards fan
That doesn't mean anything. They're lots of bots on social media.
Some of the RFK voters I have encountered have said they're just going to stay home.
That's not true. There are tons of polls since then. 538 has them.
Peter Neil
could you imagine a drinking game where you had to down a shot every time trump tells a lie during the debate?
the court cases are being dragged out, but there sure are a bunch of them left to be sentenced and tried. you need an app to keep up with all of them.
wtfjapan
Biden/Harris weaponization of the JD
ok so they were investigating Trumpo almost 2 years prior to him running for the 2024 presidential election .invistagtions into Trump started 2020. Trump decided to run again in 2022, explain to us how you can weaponise the DOJ against your political opponenet before they even knew he was runniing in 2024.
Yes investigation started in 2020 because Trump was no longer president, and as we now know presidents have immunity while President.
logic isnt a Maga strong point
lincolnman
OK, you're now a self-admitted Dem...makes sense as you now support Trump's view on "reproductive rights"...
ROFL - You left out the parts you were WRONG about - investigated, tried, and convicted - and how can you be "110% right" when he hasn't even been sentenced yet....
Why is Trump lying when he said they're now "fantastic"? Why the flip?
Bass' "reality" - Trump won in a landslide in 2020 but Hugo Chavez stole the election. Dr Oz and Herschel Walker have been sitting Senators for two years, and Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader, not Schummer. Trump was never convicted on 34 felonies, wasn't fined $350 million in his NY fraud case, and doesn't owe E Jean Carroll $85 million.
Oh, and Hannibal Lector is a wonderful man...
Welcome to MAGA-non-reality-world...
Blacklabel
the 538 that got 3 states wrong in 2020?
the 538 that claimed Harris is winning Arizona on “aggregate”?
yet when you look, she lost every poll but 1 that was 3 weeks ago in this whole month,
Blacklabel
not when he wins the election. lol
bass4funk
To Smith? About time.
Blacklabel
This is a hint who Dems think will win.
She’s not preparing for Trump lawsuits, for sure.
so this time when Dems lose there will be “standing” for everyone and every case won’t be too early or too late, but right in time, huh?
another hint, Zuckerberg won’t be following the (Trump) government orders or censoring like he did for Biden.
bass4funk
No
I didn't leave the parts where he didn't and won't go to prison.
Ask him.
The left did well this year, that game is over, the Dems lost.
Great movie.
Some dude
I'm not on Truth Social (quite possibly the most ironically named application in history), but people on other social media do post excerpts from it and provide overviews of what goes on there.
It's interesting to see how certain posters here follow the example Trump himself seems to employ on his own site: post incessantly, throw around as many inaccurate, misleading, distracting posts as possible, tell outright lies, and hope that this is enough to tire the other side out. Internet Gish galloping, in effect.
Anyway, since this latest indictment dropped, apparently he's been going absolutely insane over there, posting pretty much non stop.
But no, he's not worried at all, right?
CS
I guess he is winning. Maga 2024
funkymofo
GOP is well into the "FO" part of the "FAFO" equation.
PeaceIsReal
Who?
Peter Neil
Some dudeToday 11:26 am JST
trump named it in honor of his idol, putin. pravda newspaper is russian for truth. :)
the normalizing of relentless, meaningless and flawed legal motions to delay and clog the system is disturbing.
then again, the entire election and political process is disturbing now. 24/7, 365 days per year of politics and bickering is now normalized also.
i remember a time long before the internet, 50-60 years ago, when newspapers and tv news journalists would strive to tell the story. strive to tell the facts without blatant bias. it was what journalism was and how it was studied.
yes, newspapers would write an opinion about who they supported for an election, clearly an opinion, then that was it. once was enough.
fox news and rush limbaugh changed everything. fox simply brought bad british tabloid crap to the u.s., where the national inquirer was the leader in false and fabricated nonsense.
it was good business to spin people up with misleading, slanted “news” and keep them coming back for more to sell advertising.
enraging masses of people without the intellectual curiosity to think or examine beyond the fox bubble.
as an old guy now, i find it sad and not promising for young people in the future. it’ll probably only get worse.
John
MAGA sure are putting all their rotten eggs in the “wins” the election” basket for an old man ranting like the sociopath he is….
No wonder he floated backing out of the debate.