New Zealand gun owners turn over their weapons for money

Nice idea on this buyback, but NZ is just a tiny little country with no influence on the world.

Australia did exactly this over 20yrs ago. it drastically reduced the number of gun crimes and massacres. proof is in the facts

Ozzie

Name a single time in NZ an assault rifle has stopped a criminal. What addled world do farmers and hunters use automatic weapons? Try reading the laws, professional hunters are able to apply for exemptions.

Good For You trying to spin the NRA line but you have proven you know nothing about the NZ gun laws.

Only a good idea if the criminals also hand in their weapons

The old NRA "good guy with a gun" spew. There has never been a case of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun in NZ. There has been a mass murder by a racist Aussie with one of these now banned guns as recent as March 2019. I'll take my chances with less frustrated white guys playing with lethal penis replacements that are capable of killing 50 innocents at a time. They can buy bagels instead.

This is a fair deal, NZ faces no invasion threat there is no possible reason for my neighbors to own such a weapon. They are fun I admit. But not a necessary in day to day life. Get your,....some of your money back buy a bolt action and hunt without firing 30 rounds at one animal. There is your money back straight away. One should be enough, or take the opportunity to be better as a shooter. If rabbits, dear or pigs start arming themselves I'm sure the government would arm the population until then skill up.

If the point is to resist the govt, we need to own nukes amd fighter jets

Why would any civilian need a gun like that?

People would much rather face attackers wielding a knife than a gun - people have a better chance to outrun or fight off a knife than a bullet

Only a good idea if the criminals also hand in their weapons

You also have to factor in we have the 3rd largest population 320 million more diverse of cultures and religions and add to that the 2nd amendment. It’s more complicated than that and not a cut and dry thing.

nothing cut or dry about the statistics

Australia NZ have about 1.04~1.07 gun deaths per 100,000 people

USA 19.5/100,000

India 0.3/100,000 1.3billion population

China no statistic given but id guess it about the same as India

every 1st world country has a substantially lower gun death rate than the US and most 2nd world.

even Columbia with its corruption and huge drug cartel problems is about the same as the US 20.3/100,000

Mexico with all those bad hombres , drug cartels murders fair better than the US, 12.9/100,000.

America has the highest gun ownership of any country in the world by far. 1.2 guns for every person, you can understand why the gun violence rate is so high.

You also have to factor in we have the 3rd largest population 320 million more diverse of cultures and religions and add to that the 2nd amendment. It’s more complicated than that and not a cut and dry thing.

Your population size is irrelevant. Your diversity of religions and cultures is not exceptional, nor relevant. Your laws are your own responsibilty. You think that you can't change because change means defeat.

People would much rather face attackers wielding a knife than a gun - people have a better chance to outrun or fight off a knife than a bullet

there is no room for logic when it comes to pro gun argument

You also have to factor in we have the 3rd largest population 320 million more diverse of cultures and religions and add to that the 2nd amendment. It’s more complicated than that and not a cut and dry thing.

nothing cut or dry about the statistics

Australia NZ have about 1.04~1.07 gun deaths per 100,000 people

USA 19.5/100,000  

India 0.3/100,000  1.3billion population

China no statistic given but id guess it about the same as India

every 1st world country has a substantially lower gun death rate than the US and most 2nd world.

even Columbia with its corruption and huge drug cartel problems is about the same as the US 20.3/100,000

Mexico with all those bad hombres , drug cartels murders fair better than the US, 12.9/100,000.

America has the highest gun ownership of any country in the world by far. 1.2 guns for every person, you can understand why the gun violence rate is so high.

Australians can holiday live and work in NZ without and visa and vice versa. The reason he choose NZ is because he had easy access to these weapons in NZ like a NZ citizen can also do, fully auto and semi auto weapons are totally banned in Australia and only single shot or bolt action weapons are available with a maximum of 6 round clips. Like another poster said it could have been any nationality that did the massacre point is it the easy access to these weapons that made it possible. NZ is now aligning its gun laws with those in Australia. Fact still remains your about 18 times more likely to die from gun violence in the US compared to NZ or Australia

And how many other things can be described exactly the same way? Should all those things be banned too?

Do those other things have a function beyond being a weapon? How much utility is in each one beyond killing?

@RiskyMosaic

I raised the question on whether the various types of Bullets were being restricted as a Serious subject-matter question - which you blatantly dismissed without providing any evidence. I suspect, that I have actually touched upon a rather sensitive matter Globally among Gun enthusiasts.

Dum-dum bullets are banned, even though with their blunted ends they are very effective. So why not, focus upon the bullets associated with the various types of guns used in these attacks ?

And... if the answer is that various guns can all share the same caliber of bullet, then shouldn't we be focusing upon that as the restriction too, rather than just the Gun type alone ?

This is really a debate about which is more important; the greater good or the individual good.

The gun nuts are correct in their arguments - if guns are illegal only criminals will own guns. This is a fact, which is why they have been saying it forever. The idea is that if only criminals can have guns, I as an individual then have no way to protect myself against criminals with guns. Therefore, making guns illegal infringes upon my right to defend mine and myself.

The above is the prioritization of the individual good.

The gun haters are also correct in their arguments - if guns are illegal, it is much harder for criminals to get guns, which results in less criminals having guns, which in turn means the people generally don’t have to worry about not having a gun, since they aren’t getting shot at in the first place. This is also a fact, which is why they (ok, we) have been saying it forever. The ideas is that I’m ok with not being allowed to own guns, as I know that means there is not a large supply of legal weapons in the society that are bleeding into the criminal element, who are the very people more likely to use them. Therefore society must make guns illegal, resulting in a safer society overall.

The above is the prioritization of the greater good.

So it really comes down to whether you think it’s preferable to stack the odds in your own favor, even if it means being more likely you’ll need that gun, or if you think it’s preferable to make the overall game safer, making it less likely you would ever need a gun in the first place.

This debate is one generally with Americans. When you think about it though, they must have some PTSD as a nation from living with so many guns for so long. The concept of living in a society where there are no or very few regulated guns is not one they would be able to conceptually understand. It’s like trying to explain to an abused child that it’s ok, they can be safe in another home with love. That child has never known a place of safety, and therefore cannot comprehend what such an environment would even mean, or how it would work.

For those of us who have lived in places like Japan, where guns are not even an afterthought for us in our day-to-day lives, it’s clear that making guns illegal, or at least highly regulating them, is not even debatable as being the correct solution.

But the gun nuts feel equally certain about their need to have guns to protect themselves. In their world that has always been full of guns and likely never will be free of them, the idea that you wouldn’t need a gun isn’t even debatable as being the correct solution.

It’s like trying to debate the color blue with a blind man.

For both sides.

The weapon in that picture is disgusting.

Are the various types of bullets being restricted too ?

how easy it was to get hold of weapons capable of being used for mass killings.

Like walking into a department store and buying a knife or ax?

They are fun I admit. But not a necessary in day to day life.

And how many other things can be described exactly the same way? Should all those things be banned too?

There are no automatic weapons in NZ. Never have been.

Fact still remains your about 18 times more likely to die from gun violence in the US compared to NZ or Australia.

You also have to factor in we have the 3rd largest population 320 million more diverse of cultures and religions and add to that the 2nd amendment. It’s more complicated than that and not a cut and dry thing.

@simon g

Sadly we don't live in an ideal world buddy. I wish we did and nobody had guns especially the military and criminals. But tell me how disarming the innocent and those that use an automatic gun for a living (hunters farmers) fixes anything for the innocent/law abiding other than making them a softer target ? What is the real motive for the gun control eh ?

If this happened in Chicago alone, the US govt. would go bankrupt.

Nice idea on this buyback, but NZ is just a tiny little country with no influence on the world. Rather then spending money on buying back guns, I think they would be better spending money on shoring up buildings not strong enough for the never ending quakers.