Drones strike Moscow as top UK official highlights Russian casualties in Ukraine

Good to see Ukraine taking the fight to enemy. Putin knows the only way to end the war is an unconditional ceasefire.

Russia's aviation authority said flights were briefly grounded at major international airports including Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo.

Ukraine should shut these airports down. Dual use and all.

Another Ukraine article doing everything to avoid the real big story of the collapse of Ukraine defenses in the east. Though it would get boring to keep reporting the 3-9 kilometers a day the Russians are taking.

Mr Kipling

Another Ukraine article doing everything to avoid the real big story of the collapse of Ukraine defenses in the east. Though it would get boring to keep reporting the 3-9 kilometers a day the Russians are taking.

And the massive casualties the Russians are incurring for this.

Russian forces reportedly lost almost 200 tanks, over 650 armored vehicles, and suffered an estimated 80,000 casualties in taking roughly 1,500 square kilometers during a period of intensified Russian offensive operations in September and October 2024.

Mr Kipling

Well, the Ukrainians are getting hammered big time and next up will be their clearout of Kursk.

falseflagsteve

Mr Kipling

Well, the Ukrainians are getting hammered big time and next up will be their clearout of Kursk.

Looks like the Russians are getting hammered more. (See above.)

PrimusinterToday 07:25 am JST

Those who are in need of treatment and social assistance are evacuated to Russia, and the rest will be provided with humanitarian aid.

And any Ukrainian soldiers will be shot. Yes, we know the level of civilization in russia.

PrimusinterToday 07:25 am JST

This is their native nation, their native land.

Has been Ukraine for the past 30 years and should rightfully be so again.

Russian forces reportedly lost almost 200 tanks, over 650 armored vehicles, and suffered an estimated 80,000 casualties in taking roughly 1,500 square kilometers during a period of intensified Russian offensive operations in September and October 2024.

Give your sources. Why don't you use Russian official sources in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the catastrophic losses of Ukraine? How many North Koreans are among these casualties? It feels like you've completely forgotten about them.

Love how sometimes it's "massive drone strikes overnight" and sometimes "huge nighttime wave of drones".

A 'mutual defense agreement' becomes 'a pact'.

And Russia is somehow 'escalating', but we, of course never are.

There's two instances where people use different words and phrases for the same thing, when they are thinking about what uses those same things are going to be used for rather than the things itself (which is common amongst engineers and coders, and why you can tell a professional technical writer wasn't involved in writing the manuals) or they are trying to make you react emotionally differently to the same actions.

Now, there's supposed to be people with jobs that weed that sort of thing out of news stories...unless the standards of journalism aren't involved.

Now, if one takes the time to look carefully at footage used to 'validate' the estimates of Russian losses, and one is detail oriented, it doesn't take long before you come across 'kill shots' for the same tanks, same artillery, etc. And if one looks at the less 'rah, rah, rah' Viet Nam war movies, or go looking at how the phrase 'the five o'clock follies' came to be, you'll see that American backed side inflating how many military casualties they caused by an order of magnitude (and underreporting how many civilian casualties they caused by TWO orders of magnitude) is common.

PS earthquakes are measured in orders of magnitudes to give you an idea of how significant those 'adjustments' are

Primusinter

Russian forces reportedly lost almost 200 tanks, over 650 armored vehicles, and suffered an estimated 80,000 casualties in taking roughly 1,500 square kilometers during a period of intensified Russian offensive operations in September and October 2024.

Give your sources.

Russian forces have thus suffered an estimated 80,110 casualties over the last two months – roughly 20,000 more casualties than US forces suffered during almost 20 years of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1843198787097124968/photo/1

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/war-in-ukraine-update-october-2024/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/08/defence-secretary-john-healey-russia-army/

How many North Koreans are among these casualties?

These number are for September and October. So, none.

It feels like you've completely forgotten about them.

Nope.

He said Moscow’s troops suffered an average of 1,500 dead and wounded per day, bringing their total losses in the war to 700,000.

Is this the same UK that bosted in the summer of 2023 how great the Ukrainian offensive was going and Russian lines were collapsing?

The same UK that claimed Russia was running out of weapons is 2022, and again in 2022 the again in 2022, the in 2023 then again in 2023 and again in 2023 the in January 2024, the April 2024 the in June 2024 then......Yep and again in September and October.

While reports from most countries is Russia is out producing the west by hundreds of thousands of shells and other weapons and equipment.

Oh right I forgot the same UK that said Russia is running out of men in 2022, 2023 and now 2024.

Maybe they think if they repeat it often enough they will get it right at some point.

This seems to be a popular theory among the russians, "well, you had victory within reach but then you screwed it up". Is this because they experienced such a thing all of the time in their own country?

The Russians have their own idea of how the peace on the earth is going to be reached and, I'm afraid, it does not coincide with Trump's ideas. So you shouldn't to be sarcastic. It doesn't do credit to your intelligence.

Antiquesaving

He said Moscow’s troops suffered an average of 1,500 dead and wounded per day, bringing their total losses in the war to 700,000.

Is this the same UK that bosted in the summer of 2023 how great the Ukrainian offensive was going and Russian lines were collapsing?

The same UK that claimed Russia was running out of weapons is 2022, and again in 2022 the again in 2022, the in 2023 then again in 2023 and again in 2023 the in January 2024, the April 2024 the in June 2024 then......Yep and again in September and October.

And correct in all cases. Why do you think Russia got so much ammunition from North Korea and Iran? And for most of 2024 they are spending a third of their GDP on the military? The "running out" narratives are correct, which forces Russia to adjust. You conveniently miss the last part out.

Don't like the facts? Shoot the messenger.

While reports from most countries is Russia is out producing the west by hundreds of thousands of shells and other weapons and equipment.

Yeah, they are now. But it's not sustainable.

Underworld

Today 08:26 am JST

And correct in all cases. Why do you think Russia got so much ammunition from North Korea and Iran? And for most of 2024 they are spending a third of their GDP on the military? The "running out" narratives are correct, which forces Russia to adjust. You conveniently miss the last part out.

Why not get more if Russia can? More is better than not enough like Ukraine if Moscow can get more shells in exchange for oil from North Korea that has massive stockpiles and because of sanctions Russia has a surplus of oil, it is a win win for both, if Moscow can get drone from Iran in exchange for some technology then again it is a win win for both.

And no I didn't miss the last part, you missed the part where this claim had been repeated more times than is worth counting.

While reports from most countries is Russia is out producing the west by hundreds of thousands of shells and other weapons and equipment.

> Yeah, they are now. But it's not sustainable.

Well we keep hearing this and Russia seems to be doing it just fine.

What I don't understand is the MSM and USA UK etc...propaganda machine tells you and others Ukraine can win, Russia is losing, Harris is winning, Trump is finished, Putin in dying, Russia can't continue, blah blah blah and you keep on believing them even after they are wrong over and over and over and over and over again.

Back when I was quite to the left politically I began to notice that my fellow leftists would embrace “news” and information that clearly wasn’t true as long as it fit their narrative. It is one of the elements that made me wake up.

We can see the same syndrome in operation here on JT.

Antiquesaving

Yeah, they are now. But it's not sustainable.

Well we keep hearing this and Russia seems to be doing it just fine.

Inflation is around 9.8% and interest rates are at 21%.

Russia is spending one third of its GDP on the military and this war.

That's not sustainable.

What I don't understand is the MSM and USA UK etc...propaganda machine tells you and others Ukraine can win, Russia is losing,

I don't make judgements on MSM opinion. I look at the facts and come to my own conclusions.

Harris is winning, Trump is finished,

What I remember from the MSM is that the polls are a tossup and the margin of error could go either way.

So, not sure where you got that from.

Putin in dying,

That's an oldie. I doubt anybody bought into that speculation.

Russia can't continue, blah blah blah

I haven't heard this one.

and you keep on believing them

As I say, I take the facts from the MSM and form my opinion.

even after they are wrong over and over and over and over and over again.

I don't remember the MSM being wrong about any of this. And if they are they usually print a retraction.

Back when I was quite to the left politically I began to notice that my fellow leftists would embrace “news” and information that clearly wasn’t true as long as it fit their narrative. It is one of the elements that made me wake up

What “news” did you start reading after waking up?

Links would be lovely.

I haven’t seen this polarization with the media since the Covid-19. People against each others debating on narrative based on hearsay and conjectures. 

US led propaganda trying to release information completely disconnected with reality, and the social media doing the rest, taking advantage of people who are not prepared to put into context what they read. 

Participants at this forum quoting random percentages of US weapons expenditures to GDP (1%?) using Washington military dispatches, when in fact we have indeed a war economy in America more than what we are told about Russia. 

These are facts from Sipri Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the independent resource on global security, and certainly not friend of Russia:

The US spends 43% of global military spending. More than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies. 

In 2023 the White House contributed 68% of Nato's total expenditure with USD 860 billion. You can only imagine the data for 2024 after the catastrophe in the Middle East and the foraging in Ukraine. 

And yet the same participants, unconcerned of what is happening in Gaza and Lebanon, with the IDF rampage, where 90% projectiles being used are American, quote China as the “next big threat” because of the “skirmishes” with foreign fishermen, to justify another military intervention, and perhaps a full scale conflict. In the meantime the US financial markets are on all time high and guess what? The top five weapons manufacturers in the world are all American.

According to the Chief of the Defence Staff, Tony Radakin every day during October 1,500 Russian troops were killed or injured.

RichardPearceToday 07:33 am JST

And Russia is somehow 'escalating', but we, of course never are.

A war of aggression is visible from across the world. No one has to imagine anything to see how barbaric russia's actions are.

FosToday 10:01 am JST

Participants at this forum quoting random percentages of US weapons expenditures to GDP (1%?) using Washington military dispatches, when in fact we have indeed a war economy in America more than what we are told about Russia.

Still 1% of gdp. No way you can try to make the US into a war driven economy unlike russia. And still more dead in Ukraine than in the ME.

Fos

US led propaganda trying to release information completely disconnected with reality, and the social media doing the rest, taking advantage of people who are not prepared to put into context what they read. 

"US led propaganda"? What does that even mean? Who are you talking about?

Participants at this forum quoting random percentages of US weapons expenditures to GDP (1%?) using Washington military dispatches,

Well, just the facts, actually. US defense spending is around 3% of the GDP.

Compare this with Russia, where is is about 33% of GDP.

when in fact we have indeed a war economy in America more than what we are told about Russia. 

Well no. The facts above prove you wrong here.

The US spends 43% of global military spending. More than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies. 

In 2023 the White House contributed 68% of Nato's total expenditure with USD 860 billion. 

This is correct. And not surprising. We have known this for years. But at 3% of GDP, while high, is sustainable.

And yet the same participants, unconcerned of what is happening in Gaza and Lebanon

That would be off-topic on this thread.

Remember this is the same UK ministry that told us they had "sources close to Putin" confirming he was terminally ill, that was over 2 years ago and he looks great for a dead guy.

How many times can they repeat the same thing over and over again and people here believe it?

It is Ukraine that has lost more men, the fact even the BBC now is admitting when it occasionally does its job and shows the desperation of Ukraine rounding up men on the streets to force them into service.

The USA, Germany and UK in that order are the ones that will eventually benefit from this war.

Remember the WW2 dept to the USA owed by the UK and Canada wasn't paid off until 2006. Now think how long the USA, Germany, UK, etc...will literally own everything Ukrainian until they pay off their massive debt!

The UK has an interest in hiding the facts because a rump Ukraine or one completely conquered by Russia will never be able to pay off the debt especially if the best parts of the grain producing land and valuable minerals and resources end up in Russian hands.

So go ahead believe what you want, but remember the UK government is not a neutral source of information nor are Ukraine, the USA, the EU or Russia.

Just as I said earlier: the last two posts put the US ratio to GDP expenditure on two different values 1% or 3%? Here we are again, informing people with random dispatches without knowing the source, just opposing numbers. Do I need top go on on how fabricated is you information?

Propaganda really does not pay off, we have a real conflict here, where people are dying. 

Yet Gaza would be off the topic, they say. The inconvenient truth.

UK defense staff, Tony Radakin, told the BBC that Russian forces had suffered their worst month of casualties in October since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. 

Standard propaganda, If that was the case..we would be in ww3, and that's the idea anyway to trigger via Ukraine..

Antiquesaving

I would not be surprised if we have Boris Johnson showing up with his own version of reality, or the other genius of Mario Draghi, who, not surprisingly is promoting more weapons purchases in Europe. The German chancellor is already a ghost, and the country in fact is in recession after saying yes to all the American requests.

Hang on. Give your brain a chance.

Notice the main photo is Kurakhove - and none of Moscow.

The photo is the place I mentioned weeks ago a couple of weeks back, saying you'd hear about it soon. And here is it is - finally!

Also, the civilians staying are Russian speakers. They want to stay. Look at the bottom photo. Unfortunately, the guy on the left and his buddies often conduct controversial actions.

Radakin is a fool - they have more admirals than cocktail lounges in their DM. He should know the lithium deposits are under new management.

FosToday 10:33 am JST

Just as I said earlier: the last two posts put the US ratio to GDP expenditure on two different values 1% or 3%?

Either way: far far below what you would have us believe without providing any actual evidence.

My source:

https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/united-states-defense-market/market-size

simple question.

is UA winning finally?will this "massive attack" bring them closer to their victory?

I believe that UA winnings should look completely different.ask UA guys sitting in trenches near Kursk.

and yes - UA is DONE.

no UK paid propaganda can change facts.

Soon to see push for ceasefire and peace negotiations.

Kiev junta knows very well thats game is over.this time for good.

Antiquesaving

Remember this is the same UK ministry that told us they had "sources close to Putin" confirming he was terminally ill, that was over 2 years ago and he looks great for a dead guy.

No. I don't remember that. But is likely true. Now, if you believe those sources...

How many times can they repeat the same thing over and over again and people here believe it?

That Putin is sick? I haven't heard it even once. And it is, at best, speculation.

It is Ukraine that has lost more men, the fact even the BBC now is admitting when it occasionally does its job and shows the desperation of Ukraine rounding up men on the streets to force them into service.

Ukraine haven't lost more men than Russia, that is certain.

The USA, Germany and UK in that order are the ones that will eventually benefit from this war.

Kind of irrelevant. Nobody wanted this war except Putin and some pro-Putin types on this forum.

So go ahead believe what you want, but remember the UK government is not a neutral source of information nor are Ukraine, the USA, the EU or Russia.

You seem to be ready to believe many sources, but when the news is bad for Russia, you go out of your way to try to discredit the source.

Fierce fighting has continued near the eastern Ukrainian cities of Toretsk and Kurakhove, Ukraine’s General Staff reported Sunday. Between 700 and 1,000 residents remain in Kurakhove, a front-line city surrounded on three sides and battered into ruin. Most of them live underground with no running water, heating or electricity.

Will soon be four sides - RFAF are bypassing it with a flanking move from the NE, coming north and over the Vovcha reservoir which is on the north part of mentioned town.

Five sides if you count the motor rifle brigades breaking northwards from the south.

This is all about Center Group of Forces straightening the line, closing the cauldron which has developed south of Pokrovsk, which when done, will herald the envelopment of the latter. That will be this Winter Campaign season.

mrtinjp

Standard propaganda, If that was the case..we would be in ww3, and that's the idea anyway to trigger via Ukraine..

Don't forget Russia started this war.

So what does China think about a potential Russian military presence in North Korea?

Fos

Just as I said earlier: the last two posts put the US ratio to GDP expenditure on two different values 1% or 3%?

Well, the number probably varies based on the definition that you are using. But that is irrelevant. Because we are comparing it against 33%!

Here we are again, informing people with random dispatches without knowing the source, just opposing numbers. Do I need top go on on how fabricated is you information?

No. Just do a Google search and find out for yourself. It's not difficult!

Propaganda really does not pay off, we have a real conflict here, where people are dying. 

Percentage GDP spending on military isn't a secret. Nor is it propaganda.

Do you disagree that Russia is in a full on war economy and US is not?

Yet Gaza would be off the topic, they say. The inconvenient truth

Yes. Go argue you your Gaza talking points in that forum. They usually have one every day.

JJE

Russia is conducting a limited ground operation in defense of Donbass, which was mired in a nasty civil war since 2014

A civil war that Russia started.

as a result of a western financed and orchestrated coup which toppled a democratically elected government.

There was no coup.

Don't forget this.

Yanukovych fled to Russia.

Don't forget this.

one question to editor

story is about devastating massive UA drone attack.

Picture published is OFF TOPIC as picture is from UA...try better next next time

JJE 

Don't forget this.

Somebody would have said: “It is the economy st@pid”. 

But please do not mention Nato enlargements and promises not kept by the US administration over the years. After all, official data shows that the White House contributed 68% of Nato's total expenditure with $860 billion.

Somebody else would say: “That would be off-topic on this thread”, even though we are talking about the same main topic which drives the whole conversation on destruction, violence and death, and any possible diplomacy efforts being kidnapped by the US military-industrial complex.

all have started in 2014

Kiev,maidan protest organized and paid by USA UK and others

coup d etat,escape of legal UA president Yanukovich to Russia.

Crimea referendum,joining RF

so called ATO,UA attacks on Donbass,Lugansk,over 15.000 civilian casulaties,countless amount of refugees

Odessa massacre by UA nationalists

Minsk agreements UA and west needed for rearming of UA forces/needed buy extra time/

Zelensky as new president who will stop the war.

2021 RF asking USA and west to take in serious consideration of their requests/like UA neutrality,fullfilling of Minsk agreements/-all LARGE IGNORED

2024 feb RF have attacked UA to protect own national and security interests as attack was provoked by NATO pressure and militarizing of UA.

antirussian sanctions,SWIFT issues,North Stream terrorism act-all aimed to crush RF and isolate it.

all went BAD.

see problems in EU when they have lost cheap sources of russian gas,oil etc,lost RF markets completely/say car makers/,see problems in Japan/prices went up literally for everything thanks to same reason/.

now USA and west should come to its own senses and understand clearly that UA adventure is over.Its time to stop this,start to talk about peace/this time seriously/.

earlier better.

dobre vam zajebava

all have started in 2014

Kiev,maidan protest organized and paid by USA UK and others

Nope. It was a protest of the people. After Yanukovich reneged on EU promises. USA, UK not involved.

coup d etat,escape of legal UA president Yanukovich to Russia.

No coup. Yanukovich fled to Russia.

Crimea referendum,joining RF

Illegal referendum after Russia annexed Crimea.

so called ATO,UA attacks on Donbass,Lugansk,

After Russia started civil war.

over 15.000 civilian casulaties,countless amount of refugees

Total 3,404 civilian casualties, from both sides.

2024 feb RF have attacked UA to protect own national and security interests

Nonsense. Russia has nukes, which guarantee its security.

as attack was provoked by NATO pressure and militarizing of UA.

No provocation. UA militarizing due to threat of Russian invasion.

now USA and west should come to its own senses and understand clearly that UA adventure is over.

This conflict has nothing to do with USA.

Russia later on Sunday said that it had struck a large deployment of Ukrainian soldiers in the Kharkiv province with thermobaric rockets, but didn't immediately provide evidence.

Always bad news when that happens. Has to be the TOS system. Several variants including up-gunned new models with longer range and more accuracy have been seen out there.

dobre vam zajebava

Total 3,404 civilian casualties, from both sides.ACCOUNTED in person by YOU?

Nope. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights:

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

HOAX

Take a deep breath. Relax.