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East Ukraine city dying under siege

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Kiev may lose the good will of European governments if they don't stop copying Israel's tactics and blasting everything in sight. Kiev and Russia are to blame for this. Russia lit the fire and Kiev is adding fuel. I have no sympathy for the pro-Russian rebels though... I am convinced they brought down the airliner.

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I still don't understand why it had to come to this in the first place. Before this civil war broke out there was a protest against a pro-Russian leadership. So the man was driven out of office. And then someone got it in their fool head to start using guns instead of diplomacy which was still available until the pro-Russian folks started taking over government buildings. And all that has lead up to what we have now.

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According to official figures, around 100 people have been killed since fighting began in Luhansk.

This is just for the Luhansk area, official UN figures put civilian casualties from Kiev's onslaught at 1,146.

Randomly shelling civilian areas is inexcusable, as is cutting off food, water, medicine and electricity from an entire city.

Kiev is committing a massive war crime.

“Almost half the city has fled already,” Gaida said. “Every day they bomb, shoot and kill.”

Bravo Kiev, Bravo.

No wonder soldiers are defecting en masse.

And don't believe Kiev's lies about running out of ammo and then crossing into Russia by accident. The soldiers defected because they trust Moscow more than Kiev.

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Huh, apparently being under siege is lousy. Who knew?

While the local government that existed before the current conflict began is attempting to provide basic services, real authority lies with the gunmen leading the separatist government that dubs itself the Luhansk People’s Republic

I don't know what the people expected. These guys were sent in to secure Eastern Ukraine and prep it for annexation, they were never intended to operate independently. Now that Ukrainian government forces are closing in and support from Moscow is floundering they can't do much but cause a scene and pray their Ruskie superiors send in some 'peacekeepers'.

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Burning Bush, what proof do you have to support your claims? Remember the rules....photos can be manipulated, so can video and audio, statements/comments are just hearsay, etc.

Enjoy.

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The Russian-funded terrorists could always surrender, then the siege would be over.

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There's no fighting in Kiev, why don't the civilians flee there? What are they afraid of?

They were surrounded on the west, hungry and no ammunition. No supplies coming from Kiev for this group. Plus, the militia promised safe travel to Russia to all who surrendered, but they had to leave the heavy weapons intact (double bonus!). Very honorable for I'd say considering Kiev has been bombing civilians and town.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DimiwVrhs-8

Rebels are shelling Luhansk too...

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"Yelena Gaida, 46, is one of the many thousands who have managed to get out of Luhansk.

Speaking in Donetsk, another rebel-controlled city 90 miles (150 kilometers) west of Luhansk, Gaida said she is abandoning her three-room apartment and plans to head for Russia

“Almost half the city has fled already,” Gaida said. “Every day they bomb, shoot and kill.”

Gaida was dismissive of the separatist cause.

“Yes, we have our Luhansk People’s Republic. But life there is impossible,” Gaida said. “Who needs it anymore?”

Thanks a lot, separatists and their Russian backers, thanks a lot.

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Independent Ukraine - before Russian Empire was a small state - a little bit bigger as modern Hungary

Gee golly, then the Russians probably shouldn't have signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances to preserve it's current (including Crimea) borders eh? Sounds a lot like the Russians only care about ethnic Russian populations and historical boarders when former satellite countries start stepping out with other trade organizations.

on the other - Russian militias formed from LOCAL people of Donbass

I had no idea that Russia, Chechnya, and half of the southern oblasts were part of the Donbass! Good to have native born sons like Vladimir Antyufeyev leading his countrymen! Oh wait, he's from Novosibirsk a few thousand miles away...and a Russian OMON officer....huh. Almost like the leadership is primarily made up of imported Russian agents.

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TheQuestion Gee golly, then the Russians probably shouldn't have signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances to preserve it's current (including Crimea) borders eh?

At that moment it was most important thing - to take away nukes from Ukraine

Just imagine - today failed state deep in crisis and in civil war has a lot of nukes

nightmare

And Ukraine refused to give away Soviet nukes located at its territory

It was classical Ukrainian blackmail

I had no idea that Russia, Chechnya, and half of the southern oblasts were part of the Donbass! Good to have native born sons like Vladimir Antyufeyev leading his countrymen!

Most of them are from Donbass

But as soon as Kiev governement declared a Ukrain for Ukrainian and a war " against Russian" - a LOT of volunteers come from Russia

It's normal

Is it possible that " Russian agents" come to Germany or UK and start a civil war ?

And you see no troubles when EU & US citizens coming in Ukraine to take part in this civil war ?

When US special agents & military coming ?

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Just imagine - today failed state deep in crisis and in civil war has a lot of nukes And Ukraine refused to give away Soviet nukes located at its territory

Frankly they probably should have kept hold of the nukes since Russia apparently had no interest in honoring the agreement. But that would imply that the Russian Federation government is made up of two faced liars looking to prey on a weaker neighboring country and we know that's not the case.

Most of them are from Donbass

So the recruiting stations in Moscow are just there to sell cookies right?

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Frankly they probably should have kept hold of the nukes since Russia apparently had no interest in honoring the agreement

US & UK also have signed this agreement

And US & UK never recognised Ukraine as independent state - only like colony

The reason for civil war in Ukraine very simple : US took decision to take Ukraine under direct control

Yanukovich (legitimately elected president of Ukraine) in November refused to sign Euroassociation

So EU&US take decision to punish him (legitimately elected president of Ukraine)

So West never has any respect toward Ukrainian state

After the putsh (organised by US) legitimate government was overthrown and pro-American puppets were assigned

And of course Russia has absolutely no respect toward US puppets playing role of Ukraine governement

Yes my friend : US have destroyed democracy in Ukraine and whole Ukrainian State

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Putin probably made all kinds of promises if they fought. Now he's abandoned them.

If anybody's been abandoned I think it's the Ukrainian soldiers who had to enter Putin's Russia just to get a meal.

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Gaida said she is abandoning her three-room apartment and plans to head for Russia

Interesting that Ukrainian citizens are fleeing east into Russia instead of west towards Kiev.

There's no fighting in Kiev, why don't the civilians flee there? What are they afraid of?

Why don't the civilians just surrender to their own army and ask for assistance? Why run from their own army? Can you figure it out?

On Monday, a Russian border security official said more than 400 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into Russia.

Not only are Ukrainian civilians fleeing to Russia for safety but even the Ukrainian army itself trusts Moscow more than Kiev.

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TheQuestion I don't know what the people expected. These guys were sent in to secure Eastern Ukraine and prep it for annexation, they were never intended to operate independently. Now that Ukrainian government forces are closing in and support from Moscow is floundering they can't do much but cause a scene and pray their Ruskie superiors send in some 'peacekeepers'

Sorry - about "annexation"

Independent Ukraine - before Russian Empire was a small state - a little bit bigger as modern Hungary

Modern Ukrain - is a ex - Soviet province

Donbass - NEVER was populated by Ukrainian

It always had Russian population about 8 millions Russian

After coup d'etat in February 2014 in Kiev Ukrainian nationalists come to power

So the civile war starts

On the one side Ukrainian Army and NAZY from National Guard

on the other - Russian militias formed from LOCAL people of Donbass

How it was possible to counterbalance whole regular army of Ukraine ask you ?

1 Ukranian are very BAD soldiers

2 Russian are exellent in this branch of human activities

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Putin probably made all kinds of promises if they fought. Now he's abandoned them.

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It came to this because a legally elected government was deposed by an illegal coup.

A coup where the "protestors" were paid a hefty salary by billionaire oligarchs to cause mayhem and shoot police officers.

Now those oligarchs are in charge of Ukraine but many people don't like it and are fighting for their rights.

Oligarchs don't like it when people fight for their rights, so now 1,159 civilians are dead and entire cities are besieged like medieval times.

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Kiev is creating another Gaza.

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