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after denying it." Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I told you even Dems lie!

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He's over 18? She's over 18? Who the heck C A R E S?

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Who the heck C A R E S?" Right, I don't care. And, BTW, either its a good picture or someone else, but the lady does look good.

I am only concerned with the lie. Had he been a Repub, we would have had posts numbering in the high 70's by this time.

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skipthesong,

I think almost everybody lies--probably everybody. Many of us, if not most, can't even tell ourselves the truth. I think it is rather silly to expect any powerful figure to be chaste in the first place or honest about extra-marital affairs in the second.

Obviously, as a candidate Edwards had to deny this accusation. Had he become the nominee it would have been an issue. That he is admitting it now is an indication that he knew that he would not be the VP choice.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is nobody's business, for sex--like alcohol--can be an addiction. We need to have people in office who will not be governed by their addictions. Democrats (Kennedy, Clinton, etc.) seem to be more susceptible to this particular addiction than others. Maybe that's why a Republican would have generated more posts--if what you say is true.

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Shame on the mainstream media for not touching this until he 'fessed up. I'm a Dem but am glad to see Edwards go down. This isn't the only issue he's a twoface on and it's better now than before the general on an Obama ticket. At least he now has time to help his dying wife.

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sez, I agree. I just feel, from what I've seen, a repub coming under any type of accusations seems to have boards flying. Of course, I do also feel much of the reasons for that is basically their own fault.

But I do believe there is way too much finger waving in American politics.

Why do people always expect politicians to be better than themselves?" That stems from what is at stake for the common folk. If he were to be president or VP, he would be commander in chief and in the military, infidelity is illegal. It is also illegal in many states, and some of those states do pursue action. While we should not expect them to be any better than we are we should not put them on a pedestal either. Never, should they be considered above us - bad enough we put stars above us, I'll be damn if I let a politician be.

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Acknowledging a sex scandal he had dismissed as “tabloid trash” only last month

So its true. Its still tabloid trash!

America has a president that lied about a war and got 4000 of his countrymen dead for his lies. May as well make a report on how much this bloke Edwards farts to put it into perspective.

Had he been a Repub, we would have had posts numbering in the high 70's by this time.

Isn't McCain a repub? He has a quite a history mate. Who is dwelling on it?

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, I told you even Dems lie!

We all know Dems lie too! But people have a right to lie about what is not your business, as with Edwards. As with Clinton. Those were white lies. Bush and his republican lads told real lies though. Real big lies.

If its honesty you seek, you just had it. If you dont appreciate it, you wont get any more. If you condemn Mr. Edwards for finally telling the truth about what was never your business, then expect politicians to lie to you more. Even more so if you allow Bush and his lads to get away with their lies, their massive and many lies.

Mr. Edwards seems to be as honest a politician as can be had.

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skip: "I am only concerned with the lie. Had he been a Repub, we would have had posts numbering in the high 70's by this time."

Wrong. I wouldn't have posted on it at all, nor posted on this except I want to address your misdirected anger. Quite frankly, people have affairs... it's a matter of fact, and a sad part of human nature that people 'give in' to. I'm not saying it's a biological imperative that we do so; it is INDEED a biological urge that drives us, but one we can easily control. Unfortunately, MANY (if not most) people at some point cheat in some manner (depends of course as well what you consider 'cheating').

My point is, I would take a person who cheats ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over someone who lies and causes human lives to be lost. KILLING is NOT a biological imperative nor is it a biological urge. Since you felt you had to bring this up as a problem of the Dems., I felt the need to say that I'd take marital affairs over illegal wars and destruction any time. I would much prefer NEITHER, of course, and don't at all feel that because someone gave in to their urges and had an affair they should get off scot free (so to speak), but again...

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I'd take marital affairs over illegal wars and destruction any time. I would much prefer NEITHER, of course

On the button.

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My point is, I would take a person who cheats ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over someone who lies and causes human lives to be lost.

Your point has no relevance on this thread.

It's not about George Bush.

It's not about Iraq and regime change and liberation that Congress approved.

It's about John Edwards and his lies and galling hypocrisy.

John Edwards, in 1999, condeming his fellow Democrat Bill Clinton:

“I think this president has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12402_Page2.html

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I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is nobody's business, for sex--like alcohol--can be an addiction. We need to have people in office who will not be governed by their addictions. Democrats (Kennedy, Clinton, etc.) seem to be more susceptible to this particular addiction than others. Maybe that's why a Republican would have generated more posts--if what you say is true.

He meant there would have been more posts had it been a Republican. I agree because the Republican Party is associated with legislating morality. That's for the average person to live up to, however. As for politicians, power and sex have always been part of the stew. (You're old enough to remember Congressman Wilbur Mills after-dark trysts in the shadows of the Capitol building).

I was never a fan of John Edwards and am glad this will disqualify him from consideration for the VP slot. One can live down adultery, by all accounts John McCain's fist marriage ended owing to his desire "to feel like he was 25 again." But not when your wife is terminally ill and you have two small children.

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John Edwards, accepting 'Father of the Year' 2007 Award.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow1pwtFpvq8

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smitty, what is your problem? Only you would bring Bush into a conversation like this and yet have the audacity to roll at me with your shirt sleeves up for having misdirected anger... Dude, there are other places to post your anti-Bush writings and this is not one!

Wrong. I wouldn't have posted on it at all, nor posted on this except I want to address your misdirected anger. " I am not going to bother and go back several months ago, but I am willing to wager cash you and many others went off the handles with the senator in the bathroom, the gay congress guy with the interns, etc..

Betzee, thank you for beating me to the point, but yes, what Betzee posts is the angle I was taking.

Some guy wanting to get some outside his wife is not my, your, or anyone's business. But, it is our business when a politician is breaking the law. Either get rid of the law or don't prosecute military guys for doing the same simply because you have them in your control.

Every guy goes out on his wife, unless they just simply can't get any. Every guy wants to go out and get "other" even if their wife is fine. Every guy lies to his wife and but don't lie to the mistress! But, not every guy is a lawyer who would help sue someone for divorce on the grounds of infidelity and then accept a father of the year award while just waking up from getting some.

On the flip, I give Edwards some credit. At his age, he's still got it going on and with someone else who also has it going on.

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Skip -"Every guy goes out on his wife, unless they just simply can't get any. Every guy wants to go out and get "other" even if their wife is fine. Every guy lies to his wife and but don't lie to the mistress! But, not every guy is a lawyer who would help sue someone for divorce on the grounds of infidelity and then accept a father of the year award while just waking up from getting some."

Heck, I sure hope you aren't married.

Pretty well-worded quote, though :-)

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Skippy: "smitty, what is your problem? Only you would bring Bush into a conversation like this and yet have the audacity to roll at me with your shirt sleeves up for having misdirected anger... Dude, there are other places to post your anti-Bush writings and this is not one!"

You're hilarious, bud! Show me ONCE where I mentioned bush... just once! I didn't... YOU did! Hahaha. What's more, as I said, I only even brought up something to counter 'the Dems' argument you made because you brought it into the fray. True, I said I would take a person who commits adultery to one who commits war; it's YOU who made the leap as to 'whom I meant' (and don't go saying you "know exactly what I mean" after you telling me on almost every occasion that I pretend to know what you are thinking!).

We did indeed go off the handle on the senator in the bathroom, but to be honest with you, I didn't even know he was a Republican until halfway through the whole fracas. What I was commenting no and lashing out at was the man's COMPLETE reversal from admitting to and pleading guilty to a crime, THEN flip-flopping and swearing he was 'pressured unto confessing'. It was quite pathetic really. Now, I think what Edwards has done is low and that he's truly worthy of the title of Scum, and I would rip into him just as much as the gay senator you mention if tomorrow Edwards announced 'I did NOT have an affair but was pressured into saying so". Etc.

Now skip... if you can't see the differences there and choose to read into my arguments whatever you will, that's not MY problem; it's yours. Again, don't ever again come back to me with a 'there's Smitty again telling everyone what they are thinking' remark when you do more than pretend (and wrongly so, as I've pointed out) to know what I am thinking/saying here.

Edwards is scum... bottom line... but again, having a marital affair is not a crime in the country (should or shouldn't be is another question), and MANY people do this kind of thing. Forgivable? That's up to the couple in question to work out and agree/disagree upon; it's not up to me to judge, nor is it up to the public. My personal feeling is that he was an arse and extremely low, morally, for doing what he did (especially milking his wife's cancer and his family values), but that's putting my personal values into a very personal event.

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Does this mean Obama is not going to pick Edwards to be his running mate?

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"Every guy goes out on his wife, unless they just simply can't get any. Every guy wants to go out and get "other" even if their wife is fine. Every guy lies to his wife and but don't lie to the mistress!"

Don't push your own values on others! Not every guy does what you say, Skip, not at all. Again, it is not a biological imperative that we sleep with loads of different women; otherwise you are saying we are no better than animals who can't control themselves (which also means that women too naturally go out, cheat, and can't control themselves while looking for the best sperm from the ideal mate). True, our eyes may naturally sway to a good looking member of the opposite sex (or the same, in 10% of the population), but to suddenly throw them to the ground and go at can be left to people with mental problems and animals without the ability to think.

John Edwards CHOSE to have an affair, knowing right and wrong; it wasn't some kind of thing he HAD NO CHOICE about.

I agree with you and Betzee that it's his (and his family's) issue and his alone, but don't go saying that 'all men must cheat' crap... not 'every guy goes out on his wife', and people who think that are part of the problem.

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If John Edwards used protection, hooked up with Mitsuyo Kusano or Mona Yamamoto, this would probably not of been so devastating to his career. The story is more on his family and career, not on his "affair".

He made a choice from his role model to do this act (without the cigar). As with any political figure in the US, this story will go away after a few months.

Mark Twain once said Congress may be America's only 'distinct criminal class'. I agree with him completely. What other job can you claim Congressional immunity and continue to serve as our public servants? Let me detract that last statement, he was a senator, not a congressman.

I can't wait to see the follow-up story on how Mrs. Hunter was tricked to have relations with him. Then read her memoirs after she publishes them for a profit. I see dollar signs in her future and a lonely life for Mr. Edwards.

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It's a disappointing story. I like Edwards and I'm disappointed that he did this.

This isn't just an internal family matter. This man is an elected official. He's in a position of leadership. It will affect people's opinion of him which is directly related to his ability to govern. He'll be able to get past this, but not without taking some knocks.

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But not when your wife is terminally ill and you have two small children.

Betzee, one reason a bloke gets married is for sexual stability. In some men's minds the terminal illness is grounds for divorce if she isnt doing her wifely duty. His wife is suffering horribly, yes we all know that. Do you think Mr. Edwards is not suffering too? If he left his wife, I would condemn him too. What he has done is probably better characterized as seeking solace and gathering strength so that he can continue to support his dying wife.

You may view a bloke's needs as petty, but the same can done for a female's needs. Would you be happier if he suffered a complete mental breakdown or let himself get frustrated to the point that he did nothing but give his wife hell during her final days? Sex is very important to the blokes, more than you probably want to admit.

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Dude, there are other places to post your anti-Bush writings and this is not one!"

Discussing Bush puts this into perspective. Some lies you tolerate from your fellow man and politicians and others you condemn fiercely. By comparison, Mr. Edward's little affair is nothing at all. We should not even be discussing it.

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This is a resume enhancer...at least for a democrat.

RR

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Don't push your own values on others!

Mate, he wasn't talking about values. He was talking about desires and what often happens in the real world.

You are welcome to your values. Just be reasonable and consider reality. The reality is that this happens a lot, and if you are not going to be more tolerant, then you are are going live a life of perpetual frustration.

Mr. Edwards gave us more truth than we are entitled to. If you dont respect that, then you justify a politician's lying, and that is what you shall have.

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Doncha just love the irony:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71460

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Discussing Bush puts this into perspective.

He cheated on his wife also??? Didn't know that one.

Some lies you tolerate from your fellow man and politicians and others you condemn fiercely.

Don't really tolerate lies from anybody myself, but what the hey like my Daady always said "You can't choose your parents but you can choose your friends" I choose to hang around people who don't lie to me and if they do they would expect me to be tolerate it myself.

By comparison, Mr. Edward's little affair is nothing at all. We should not even be discussing it.

Agreed, and we wouldn't be if the guy didn't run for President and is still a key player in Democratic Party circles, hey he wanted the spotlight and he got it so discussion is warranted comes with the territory.

Mr. Edwards gave us more truth than we are entitled to.

Translation.......He got caught.

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Doncha just love the irony:

Not as much as the word:

alleged

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edwards' written statement ... quote:

"When a supermarket tabloid told a version of the story, I used the fact that the story contained many falsities to deny it. But being 99 percent honest is no longer enough."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.statement/index.html

99 percent honest?

Looks like edwards has the same idea of truth as another democrat leader who said before he became the only U.S. president to be impeached in the 20th century, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

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“I think this president has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.”

This kind of talk will get you support. Its why politicians talk that way. When you, the people, learn to value the truth and respect for other's privacy, and begin to choose politicians accordingly, the politicians will talk differently. Until then, some salt might make those lies go down easier. And don't blame the waitress for what you have ordered.

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This is a resume enhancer...at least for a democrat.

It doesn't work that way. This time Mr. McCain has been enhanced. Perhaps the republicans are just happy to have a candidate they have proof is not a closet homosexual?

Mr. Edwards has quite has his reputation ruined.

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"Acknowledging a sex scandal he had dismissed as “tabloid trash” only last month, Edwards said he had told his wife and family long ago, but “I had hoped that it would never become public.”

So did our Lamestream media. That's the even bigger scandal.

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If this was a Repub the Dems would have burned him at the stake. Funny how the Dems expect more morals out of the Repubs, but not themselves. This will be buried soon, and Edwards will be applauded for his "candor" and "strength", and then hold hands with his cancer-stricken wife. Maybe they'll make a bracelet out of this whole thing.

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Points to remember:

This guy was a candidate for the presidency when the Enquirer first posted their story last fall. The U.S. liberal media bought into the lie that edwards told immediately and dismissed the story as nothing. No investigative reporting whatsoever on their end.

Now, it looks like the Enquirer scooped the U.S. liberal media on this one. And since edwards has been mentioned as a potential attorney general in a barack hussein obama administration (provided, of course, he wins) that makes this a relevant story.

Also, he had a campaign staffer buy off his mistress' silence by paying for her relocation expenses and money to get settled in. All while his wife dies from cancer. What a guy.

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Funny how the Dems expect more morals out of the Repubs, but not themselves

True dat. Typical of the folks who bash this administration because of "lies" et al, then run to the defense of a bum of a democrat and attempt to explain or minimize his actions.

All the while edwards' wife is fighting an incureable cancer. Not sure who are the lower forms of life: edwards or those who are defending him.

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Not sure who are the lower forms of life: edwards or those who are defending him.

Clearly it is those who post incessently about lies about sex while thinking lies that cause war are somehow equivalent or worse. Clearly it is right wing campaigners with either a lot of free time or who receive a wage from a right wing org.

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Seansezro: It's interesting, because you validate my post in a post of yours, then take my point out of context in the next.

"Mate, he wasn't talking about values. He was talking about desires and what often happens in the real world."

Read my post more carefully... I fully acknowledged that what happened with Edwards was him giving into said desires and urges, and that these were natural urges, which is why I would take a man like him over someone who gives into UNnatural urges (ie. War, murder, etc.). Where I went AGAINST skipthesong in the post that you quoted me from is that I said it is NOT something we HAVE to do. YES, it's something that ALL people who are natural have the desire to do; seek out warmth and attention, in particular when there are problems with what one has at home (I'll leave that to the reader to take how they want). In other words, you are basically just voicing what I said. Well, save the semantics on the word 'value'. You see, I think that acting on those urges is a sign of poor values vs. the more positive value of controlling the urge and NOT acting on it. Skipthesong was saying that EVERY MAN cheats, so it is not an issue of values, but that statement in itself, since it is incorrect, is a subjective judgement based on his values.

"You are welcome to your values."

Thank you... as are you... and even as is skip... but it's when these values harm/hurt others that they should not always be welcome. In this case, as I have said, (and Betzee and even Skip), it is none of our business what led to this, and shouldn't be made such a grand spectle of, since it doesn't go outside the confines of the law.

"Just be reasonable and consider reality. The reality is that this happens a lot, and if you are not going to be more tolerant, then you are are going live a life of perpetual frustration."

Well... there is a bit of contradiction in your statement regarding the perpetual frustration one might feel (if not considering the 'reality' of cheating) and the 'be more tolerant' part, but I basically get the gist of what you're saying. Again, I have considered reality greatly here, and have admitted to the fact that it's a natural urge to seek out affection and gratification when one might not be getting it otherwise, or even if they are but certain circumstances make them seek it out elsewhere (if they can't control it). BUT, the tolerant part, the way I see it, is being more receptive and/or open to the party that is frustrated in the first place, ie. the one who has cheated or feels he/she wants to cheat for some reason. I'm not saying it need be accepted... NOT AT ALL! but if one is open to the others needs/desires in the first place, the love affair may be avoided. Likewise, the person who has done or wishes to do harm needs to be conscious of the feelings of those they have hurt (or may hurt, even if in their own minds).

In that respect, you're correct... perhaps I do need to be more 'tolerant' of Edwards, save for one or two things; he completely lied about it to the public (which you yourself say is unacceptable), and he bilked the wife/cancer thing for all it was worth while campaigning (and sleeping around). Neither are very admirable qualities, regardless of how much I may need to be more tolerant.

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RomeoRamenII,

Of course the story is relevant. Maybe now you can explain how this tale differs from McCain's situation so that we can understand just how much of a sleazeball Edwards is and how saintly McCain's conduct was.

I know that there are people who genuinely see extra-marital sex as a moral failing and lying about it as a compounding of that failing. There are others who will gladly portray it as such, no matter their own situations.

Crucify Edwards if you like, but be consistent.

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Romeo: "All the while edwards' wife is fighting an incureable cancer."

I agree with you on that point; the guy is a bum... particularly because, as I said above, while cheating on his wife with her incurable disease, he was also milking the sympathy of the public with his, "I will drop out of the campaign to support my wife if need be," etc.

I don't think being such a bum is limited to being Democrat, however.

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smitty, thanks for agreeing on this point. Having lost my wife of 14 years to breast cancer last year, this story really hits close to home for me. edwards is a scumbag.

RR

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Would you be happier if he suffered a complete mental breakdown or let himself get frustrated to the point that he did nothing but give his wife hell during her final days?

Pure selfishness. What else would I expect from a politician? During the time his wife is having the struggle of her life he should be focused on his own needs. To me that's plain ole fashioned selfishness.

Any man who is so unstable as to have a "mental breakdown" over this is unfit to be a Senator. My goodness, what else could tip such an unstable person over the edge? Could this man be trusted with secrets regarding the security of our nation? How easy would it be for enemy agents to compromise him?

Any man who would give his wife hell during her final days because he can't penetrate her body deserves to be castrated with a rusty knife. He's just one step away from being a rapist.

While my father wasted away from lung cancer I did without many things (including intimate time with my wife). Interestingly, my mind was preoccupied with comforting my father and tending to HIS needs. I felt it an honor every time I did something for him that would normally have seemed disgusting to me. Of course, I recognize that there are honorable people in this world and there are selfish people as well. I'll leave it to you to determine which category I place Sen. Edwards.

Seriously, I think you should consider taking a little dip in some liquid nitrogen so you don't have to worry about such potential mental anguish and uncontrolable frustration. It might take the tension right off your mind.

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smitty: Show me ONCE where I mentioned bush" You didn't have to and word games is not your cup of tea. You know what you implied. I know what you implied. Everyone here knows what you implied.

And you yourself are somewhat flipping: COMPLETE reversal from admitting to and pleading guilty to a crime, THEN flip-flopping and swearing he was 'pressured unto confessing'. It was quite pathetic really. Now, I think what Edwards has done is low and that he's truly worthy of the title of Scum, and I would rip into him just as much as the gay senator you mention if tomorrow Edwards announced 'I did NOT have an affair but was pressured into saying so". Etc." Number 1, he is not a scum - he's a lawyer. And cheating on your wife does not make you scum unless you've been caught - regardless of her condition. Its not like he's leaving her flat. second, in a way he did do almost the same as the senator. When the newspapers got a hold of the story, he starting ripping into them. Now this one: Don't push your own values on others!"

My main point for ripping into them is basically the laws that have been set forth. Had he been elected and been vice commander in cheif of the military, would he have had this stipulation changed before he was caught?

And lastly, "John Edwards CHOSE to have an affair, knowing right and wrong; it wasn't some kind of thing he HAD NO CHOICE about" Now I know you are from Mars. That depends on how fine she looked to him at that moment. Don't sit and tell me if you were married and a fine looking woman jumped on you you would "do the right thing" and tell her your a married man. No body in their right mind is going to do that.

No, I haven't gone out on my wife yet, but if she doesn't start doing something about the "I just had a baby fat thing, well, I'll be right there with Mr. Edwards.

"go at can be left to people with mental problems and animals without the ability to think. " Man, you must have a boring life. Who thinks in situations like this?

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In 2006, . . . I told my wife that I had a liaison with another woman

Then how come The National Enquirer caught edwards and Hunter at that Beverly Hills hotel just a few weeks ago?

No "man" would allow the woman he vowed to be with in sickness and in health and now has an incurable disease to suffer like that in silence.

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skipthesong,

Your statement seems to say that "no man" could resist an extremely attractive woman coming on to them. However, I refute that claim and say that MANY men have resisted such because they valued their integrity more than their sexual desires.

To me integrity is about making and keeping commitments and being honest.

Sen. Edwards seems to have demonstrated a lack of integrity in both cases.

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When I was watching the vice presidential debate between Edwards and Cheney, I knew there was something about the man I didn't trust.

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Of course I'm talking about Edwards!

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No "man" would allow the woman he vowed to be with in sickness and in health and now has an incurable disease to suffer like that in silence.

He knew there was a chance the press would find out, and, regardless of this poor woman's feelings, tell the world. Mr. Edwards absolutely had to prepare her for that.

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Pure selfishness. What else would I expect from a politician? During the time his wife is having the struggle of her life he should be focused on his own needs. To me that's plain ole fashioned selfishness.

sdmsec, how focused would you like? I put it to you that his career in politics has removed focus from his wife 1000 times more than his affair. In fact, I doubt Mr. Edward's affair kept him away from his wife any more than he would have been away already. His mistress was very near his work.

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And another thing sdmsec. Maybe you are superman, and can juggle a political career and terminal wife with a brave smile and never-ending enthusiasm. Good for you, mate! Some men might need a little fling, not for the sake of selfishness, but for the sake of being able to don that brave smile and see their wife off to the next world. Whether he did that well or poorly might have depended on this, whereas you moralizing is only so useful.

What hurt Mr. Edward's wife was not the affair; it was knowing about it. And if Mr. Edwards had good reason to think he was safe from the press, he might never have confessed. The press is the real shame here, not only for putting Mr. Edwards in a position where he must confess to his wife, but for also shamelessly running the poor woman through it all over again.

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He knew there was a chance the press would find out, and, regardless of this poor woman's feelings, tell the world.

Heh, your "man" was forced to "tell the world" after getting caught out. And not by the U.S. liberal media that sat on the story; it comes from a weekly supermarket tabloid. If your "man" had an (R) at the end of his name, we all know it would have been open season on him. The liberal media dogwalker's deference to their political party is noted.

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At least people now understand what edwards meant when he would talk about "Two America's" when he was running for president: One with his wife and one with his girlfriend.

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Heh, those Men in Black were right about the tabloid news being accurate.

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sdmsec, how focused would you like? I put it to you that his career in politics has removed focus from his wife 1000 times more than his affair. In fact, I doubt Mr. Edward's affair kept him away from his wife any more than he would have been away already. His mistress was very near his work.

How does this counter my claim that Sen Edwards is selfish? How does this counter my claim that Sen Edwards lacks integrity? What relevance does have to any of my claims?

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And another thing sdmsec. Maybe you are superman, and can juggle a political career and terminal wife with a brave smile and never-ending enthusiasm.

This supports my claim that Sen Edwards is selfish and doesn't have integrity. He made commitments to his wife prior to embarking on his political career. Whether he broke that commitment for political power or for personal gratification it still points to a lack of integrity.

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Typical..........The fringe left just uses this as another opportunity to sling mud agaisn't McCain. Sezwho, Betzee, seanezso thanks for bringing McCain into this it is soooooo relevant. I guess we should all give Edwards a pass now because McCain divorced his first wife 28 years ago. Heck, did you know Reagan was tossed his first wife also, because he was more interested in getting into politics then being married anymore? Might as well feed the rabid left here some more with 'relevant' information as to why we should all give Edwards a little sympathy for being a complete moron and now thankfully will be just a future footnote in the history books just like Gary Hart. It's easy to sling mud and then dress it up as somehow pertinent to the discussion.........Anybody want to talk about "typical" Democrat Gary Hart now?

Deflection is a wonderful tool isn't it.

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What hurt Mr. Edward's wife was not the affair; it was knowing about it. And if Mr. Edwards had good reason to think he was safe from the press, he might never have confessed. The press is the real shame here, not only for putting Mr. Edwards in a position where he must confess to his wife, but for also shamelessly running the poor woman through it all over again.

Whatever would have been best for his wife after the infidelity had begun the fact remains that Sen Edwards showed himself to selfish and lacking in integrity in the first place.

If Sen Edwards hadn't cheated on his wife the press wouldn't have had a story to begin with. The problem begins with Sen Edwards himself.

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Heh, your "man" was forced to "tell the world" after getting caught out. And not by the U.S. liberal media that sat on the story; it comes from a weekly supermarket tabloid. If your "man" had an (R) at the end of his name, we all know it would have been open season on him. The liberal media dogwalker's deference to their political party is noted.

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The above is a quote from RR. Hit the wrong button. My apologies.

Your posts and position can be anying enough without calling Mr. Edwards "my man". Would you mind discussing maturely please. This top is probably the most I know about the bloke.

Glad to see that you realize he was forced to talk. And no, I dont think his party has anything to do with his treatment. I point out again the fact that Mr. McCain has not been attacked for his past. In fact, it is the Republicans who go after the Democrats relentlessly on these issues and you know it.

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If Sen Edwards hadn't cheated on his wife the press wouldn't have had a story to begin with. The problem begins with Sen Edwards himself.

Still does not absolve the press.

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Typical..........The fringe left just uses this as another opportunity to sling mud agaisn't McCain. Sezwho, Betzee, seanezso thanks for bringing McCain into this it is soooooo relevant.

I have no interest in slinging mud on Mr. McCain. Nor am I fringe left. I think its clear from my posts that I dont consider having an affair to be instant mud. To be clear, it depends on circumstances and details. Nobody has said anything here to make me think less of these men. In fact, with what little we know, I tend to think more of them. Both of them. Mr. McCain lost so much of his life in Hanoi. Mr. Edwards is watching his wife die. If what they need to get by is a little extra-marital love, well I could certainly think of worse ways of doing it.

All the trials and tribulations of a man's life, and so many of you are fixated on sexual fidelity. I can only imagine that many of you have never been around the block to not realize there are worse things. I can imagine that if Mr. Edwards became an alcoholic he would get nothing but pity. But my image is that an adulterer is likely to do a better job of taking care of a dying wife than an alcoholic.

Driving himself into the ground would certainly be an impressive display of altruism, and a great circus for you selfish observers to watch. But it might not be the best thing for him to do by his wife and family. The pressure has to go somewhere. This may not be as pure as taking a jog, but I bet it is more effective. And its definitely better than so many other ways people deal with it, like drugs, violence, being a miserable SOB giving others a hard time anytime and all the time, becomeing an abusive meddler into other people's business, driving drunk, and beating the kids. I will take people who love over any of those, and I have seen them all.

But you want perfection? Well you are not going to get it. So there.

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I dont think his party has anything to do with his treatment

Then care to explain why the DNC campaign committee-controlled U.S. media chose to dismiss this story when it first broke last fall; deciding instead to believe edwards' version without any checking on their part? In America, it's OK for democrats to lie - they are allowed to have a lower standard than Republicans.

Mr. McCain has not been attacked for his past

Unlike your "man", Mr. McCain was not running for president 28 years ago.

RR

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Democrats go after Republicans with glee whenever they can Larry Craig is suppose to be a "typical Republican" as I recall.

Because the bloke is an anti-gay hypocrite. Republicans dont have a Barney Frank as far I know. And if they do, did they go after him?

I did not mean to suggest that Democrats leave sex scandals alone. Its just that in my memory, the Republicans are not only more likely to grab the sex scandal, they are also more likely to be hypocrital about it. Mr. Edwards might have said harsh words about Clinton, but did he support legislation to make life difficult for adulterers? No. His hypocrisy is nothing compared to Mr. Craig's.

McCain first wife story has been told over and over by mud slinging far left democrats trying to get some traction on a total non-story.

How does that compare to all the money wasted on Monika Lewinsky? Yes, Clinton lied. We all lie when asked questions that are no one's business. If Clinton told a lie that threatened the nation, the madness and expense would have been justified.

But I know nothing of the mud slung at Mr. McCain. Was this recent or 30 years ago?

His first wife has has no ill feelings towards him and supports his run for President...It suspends belief to even try to compare the two situations.

No it does not. What suspends belief is the similarities. I cant say if Mr. Edwards and wife are amicable, but I see they are still married. Would you be happier if they split amicably?

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Then care to explain why the DNC campaign committee-controlled U.S. media chose to dismiss this story when it first broke last fall; deciding instead to believe edwards' version without any checking on their part?

The source was the National Enquirer!!!!!! Are you serious???? They also report the American president's meeting with space aliens and the birth of lizard humans!

And what further checking can they do? Pull a file? Or maybe have a private investigator trail him? Oh, I know! Hire one of those aliens the Enquirer knows to track him via invisible UFO!

Unlike your "man", Mr. McCain was not running for president 28 years ago.

Pour. Stir. Mix. Seems to be most of what you do mate. He is running for president now. Or is there a statute of limitations on being culpable for infidelity? Is Mr. Edwards a scum, as you said, but Mr. McCain not scum because his past is old? It seems to me you have a huge double standard.

Moderator: Readers, from here on, no further references to McCain please. The subject is Edwards.

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I have a problem with edwards lying to the American people and trying to make himself look like a saint when he had many an opporunity to come clean.

He's pathetic, just like the rest of the cut-n-run, lying, democrat party. And they wonder why they can't win a presidential election.

RR

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seansezso

Nope sorry, not going to play the who is worst Republicans or Democrats game. Tried to balance out the discussion and keep it focused on the subject, JOHN EDWARDS but that doesn't seem to be to topic you really want to discuss.

Not up for this type of discussion. It will just end up in the same place it always does. Republicans Bad and Edwards gets a pass with you because of that. We all know if this Edwards was a Republican your posts would not even be close to what you have been posting.

Your partisiship is showing and I suggest it is clouding your judgement. Edwards doesn't deserve any sort of pass or excuse. He is responsible for his own actions and boy they sure weren't very smart for a guy that wanted to be President.

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Notice edwards waited to "come clean" on the night of the opening for the Olympics in the hopes the news would be buried.

RR

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We all know if this Edwards was a Republican your posts would not even be close to what you have been posting.

Wow! I have not had a discussion with a bloke who refused to listen this much in a while. Its always a surprise. I made my non-paritisanship quite clear in viewing the situation of both men as being the same. But if you insist on imagining it, I dont think I can stop your fixation.

But if someone else reading this thinks you have any sort of a point, I will point out that while I dont have a problem with either man on this subject, its the Republican who has a strong chance to be the next American president.

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Notice edwards waited to "come clean" on the night of the opening for the Olympics in the hopes the news would be buried.

Since it is not your business, you should not expect him to nail himself to a cross for you.

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they sure weren't very smart for a guy that wanted to be President

Or Vice President;

Or Attorney General.

I remember calling him a used car salesman when he was running, but that turns out to be a compliment. As details come out about Rielle Hunter and her business deal with edwards campaign - the $115,000 contract for a Web site job she was unqualified to do - this is going to get ugly.

"A NATIONAL ENQUIRER investigation has uncovered John Edwards’ mistress, Rielle Hunter – the mother of his “love child” – has been secretly receiv­ing $15,000 a month as part of an elaborate cover-up orchestrated by the former presidential contender.

The money is being funneled to Hunter by a wealthy colleague who was closely tied to the Edwards’ campaign. This same man is also shoveling cash to Edwards’ pal and former aide Andrew Young – who tried to take the heat off the ex-Senator by claiming he is the father of Rielle’s baby. "

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/exclusive_john_edwards_love_child_photos/celebrity/65258

Remember, when edwards was running for U.S. President he qualified for and received matching federal campaign funds; meaning the U.S. taxpayer was helping edwards to fulfill his personal dream of having "Two America's".

RR

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And they wonder why they can't win a presidential election.

I was thinking it was more of a reluctance to pander to basic animal emotions via simplistic soundbytes, something I notice you do quite well. You and yours recognize the weakness of most people's minds and relentlessly exploit it. People dont seem to be getting smarter or more fair, so I suppose I cant think too badly of you for doing it. But its still low and non-condusive to the truth.

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Well, finally an issue that Americans can get their minds around! This story will be around for weeks. Other issues like national debt, trade deficites, imploding banks, subprime loans are just to big for the average American mind.

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In France, the President's widow, mistress and daughter stood together at his funeral. Dem or Repub, human is human. Newt Gingrich had how many affairs? Yet he just about crucified Bubba for his faus pas. Over 18? Over 18? Who cares? John Edwards has "former" on all his categories, Senator, Presidential candidate, and now favored son. Going home will be punishment enough.

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The Liberal media (which is most of the media in the US) went hard after McCain when there was a mere suggestion that McCain had an affair. Now we find out that ABC was aware of the Edward's affair since last October and it is only coming out now. Does this show a double standard in the American media? The better question is, when has there not been a double standard?

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The Liberal media (which is most of the media in the US) went hard after McCain when there was a mere suggestion that McCain had an affair...

One story in the NYT's?

I don't know what's worse, Edwards' evasions or his defense that he didn't love the woman and the affair occurred while his wife's cancer was in remission. He has no credibility on the timing, and the fact he chalks it up to just a hotel bump-and-grind is supposed to make it easier for the public to dismiss?

Newt Gingrich is alleged to have served his first wife divorce papers in the hotel where she had just had surgery to remove a cancerous growth. Whatever happened to "in sickness and in health"? He's now on to wife #3.

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Good bye John Edwards. < :-)

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Good Job Betzee

Newt Gingrich is alleged to have served his first wife divorce papers in the hotel where she had just had surgery to remove a cancerous growth. Whatever happened to "in sickness and in health"? He's now on to wife #3.

Gringrich ties in this in what way??? Oh I forget he's a republican

Moderator: Back on topic please.

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Wow! I have not had a discussion with a bloke who refused to listen this much in a while. Its always a surprise. I made my non-paritisanship quite clear in viewing the situation of both men as being the same.

Let's see about your non-partinisanship.

First post you stated......

America has a president that lied about a war and got 4000 of his countrymen dead for his lies. May as well make a report on how much this bloke Edwards farts to put it into perspective.

How was that related to this guy cheating on his wife? You made your point clear from your first post, Edwards gets a pass based on your politics.

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We have the Olympics underway, and the Russia/Georgia conflict escalating, yet an affair that washed-up politician John Edwards had is generating tons of responses.

Whatever....

Good bye John Edwards. < :-)

The public said さよなら quite a while ago.

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The problem is the need to denounce adultery, essentially a private matter between the parties involved, then leads politicians to deny their own infidelities which, when the truth comes tumblng out as it always does, simply reinforces public cyncism that all politicians are hypocrites and liars. There's not a lot of evidence to the contrary frankly....

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If he has an affair, that is his life. If asked about it and he does not want to answer, he can say "none of your business". Fair enough. But when he lies about it, lies about it blatantly and repeatedly and while running for office, and receiving taxpayers money for running, he makes it the public`s business. As simple as that.

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But when he lies about it, lies about it blatantly and repeatedly and while running for office, and receiving taxpayers money for running, he makes it the public`s business.

Edwards didn't make it far enough to receive public money for his presidential campaign. So back to the drawing board....

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Wish Edwards would have come clean also when it first surfaced he was cheating on his wife. I don't hold double standards I post my opinion and stand by them, please do not attempt to question my integrity or tell me I hold double standards, I have an entire posting history you can sort through and you'll be hard pressed to find that I have ever held double standards when it comes giving someone a pass for rotten behavior.

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As long as the need to present such a background is necessary to win public office we can expect to continue to see such revelations receive their "15 minutes of fame."

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edwards duped democrats into funding his sexual tryst then further used their donations to pay her off after the fact. Heh, looks like he's going to need a good lawyer.

RR

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sailwind,

The relevance of this to McCain is that certain posters here are using this to argue Edward's unfitness for the office of the presidency. I don't agree with this opinion but I think it's fine to argue that. I don't think it's OK, however, to use Edwards as a whipping boy for the Democratic campaign and let a similar situation pass on the Republican side.

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Congratulations boys, Feed the beast. you got one.

Kudos to the Enquirer.

Taka

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Edwards is a firm supporter of Obama. I guess this scandal shows the low morals of the Democrats.

Luckily McCain will be our next president, a guy with morals and traditional values.

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The relevance of this to McCain is that certain posters here are using this to argue Edward's unfitness for the office of the presidency.

He is unfit. How could you arrive at any other conclusion? He preaches about 2 Americas and family values and he enlists his wife in this pose and then he lies not just to the public but to his own party.

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Taka313 - Didn't you think Edwards would have been a great vice president?

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undecidedbout08,

Edwards may be unfit. But hypocrisy does not make him so. And it does not even begin to address my point.

If you are saying that the difference between Edwards and McCain is the lie, I think that may be a valid point of difference. That would be a matter of research, however. But what are you saying? politicians who lie are unfit? politicians who lie about sex are unfit? politicians who have lied about sex are unfit? or is it only politicians who have lied about sex while having a dying-from-cancer wife and espousing family values who are unfit?

I don't think that sexual affairs are anyone's business unless there is clear evidence that those who engage in it have a sexual addiction. There is nothing immoral about extramarital sex. However, there is a health risk (assuming one's extramarital sex is not monogamous) and there is something quite impolitic about it in a prudish country.

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ReaganLegend wrote: Edwards is a firm supporter of Obama. I guess this scandal shows the low morals of the Democrats.

As far as I know, Obama never cheated on his wife. So why does Edwards support Obama?

But I am giving credence to your mad notion that a man and a whole political party can be judged by one bloke who supports him or them!

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How was that related to this guy cheating on his wife?

Sailwind, I was responding to the contention that (only) Democrats lie. In my non-partisan world, they both lie. I admit Edwards lied. But if we put that particular lie into perspective, its nothing. Truly nothing. I do not care about Edward's cheating. I do not care about McCain's cheating. I do care a great deal about war though, and I would blast any government that lied to get war, Republican or Democrat.

In short, I dont give a hill of beans about the party. Its the issues. If my view of the issue matches those of a political party, its purely coincidental. My views do not shift to match the party. Not now, not ever. I universally dont give a fig about a politician having an affair, and I universally condemn violence and war, especially when the politicians lied. You only see partisanship because you want to. Is this crystal clear to you now?

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Far better to lie about a private matter than to lie in order to illegally invade other countries leading directly to the deaths tens or hundreds of thousands of people - which is what Bush did.

This criticism is coming from the same type of closet gay Republicans who oppose homosexuality in public on grounds of deluded Christian 'morality'. I guess that's what you call "Loving the sinner, but hating the sin..."

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Go back to the Iowa primary, examine the results and ask yourself (assuming you actually know anything about US politics other then who our prez is and how much you loathe him) how different the race would be if Edwards had been exposed then (the media knew) and was forced off the ticket. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton she looks like one of the victims here.

There is a good argument that says if the Democrats lose this next election it might well be traced back to Edwards' recklessness and narcissism and the liberal media's role as one of his enablers.

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There is a good argument that says if the Democrats lose this next election it might well be traced back to Edwards' recklessness and narcissism and the liberal media's role as one of his enablers.

If that has any truth, then it would only prove that a significant part of the American population is nutty as fruitcake. The degree to which the Republican party has been debased by the many Republicans of the current American government is absolutely, totally, and in all other ways completely disproportionate to the lie and affair of Mr. Edwards and how they reflect on the Democratic party. Lunatics should not have the right to vote!

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I do care a great deal about war though, and I would blast any government that lied to get war, Republican or Democrat.

No offense, but you didn't mention the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that LBJ used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam...It was pretty slim evidence and pretty much a lie but what the hey he got his Congressional support. Though you did bring Bush in the conversation.

You only see partisanship because you want to. Is this crystal clear to you now?

Sorry, I just read your posts and still can't fathom how you brought Bush and Iraq into a conversation about Edwards cheating on his wife unless it was because of partisanship. I don't think my wife if I was inclined to cheat on her would except my excuse after I was caught "Hey Bush invaded Iraq on Lies can I quit sleeping on the couch now?"

Just calling like I see it.

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No offense, but you didn't mention the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that LBJ used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam.

The incident might be only slightly older than McCain's affair, but I did not mention it because A) its unknown to must, unlike current events, B) it was not on my mind at the time.

Now that you mention it, I condemn it. It was a terrible, terrible precedent, even worse than the one the U.S. congress set with regards to Iraq. And I will condemn FDR as well because it seems he had plenty of foreknowledge of an imminent Japanese attack in 1941. Are you happy, or must I punch another Democrat for you?

I don't think my wife if I was inclined to cheat on her would except my excuse after I was caught "Hey Bush invaded Iraq on Lies can I quit sleeping on the couch now?"

National affairs and national lies mate. Your personal life means nothing to me. And while the sex life of Mr. Edwards also means nothing to me, it has been dragged onto the national stage, and I feel obligated to condemn those who did so. I also feel the need to put it all into perspective by showing lies that mean something, as opposed to this lie, that means nothing. Being shocked at the lies about sex of Mr. Edwards is pure idiocy, as is to not be shocked by the lies about war told time and again by American presidents. A guillotine should be prepared for the war liars, yet we waste time on Mr. Edwards??????

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undecidedbout08,

Were you talking to me? Who should go back to the Iowa primary and examine the results had Edwards not been up for consideration? How could a person do that? A thought experiment? A thought experiment based on what? What conclusion do you draw for this hypothetical scenario and what evidence do you have to support it?

What does it mean that the media "knew"? Who knew? Are you suggesting that the media was "in the tank" for Obama because it conspired to let Edwards' candidacy go unchallenged and siphon support from Hillary? What evidence do you have for that? And how would that bear on Edwards' fitness for the presidency?

Your earlier claim to which I responded was that Edwards was obviously unfit. My response was that hypocrisy itself does not make him so. How does his appearance in the Iowa caucuses make him so? How would siphoning votes from Hillary--if that would have been the effect, instead of siphoning votes from Obama--make him unfit?

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SezWho2, you know when there's nothing to complain about, someone wants to complain just to complain.

Maybe we should make a real big issue of John Edwards. That only draws unwanted attention on a non-issue and makes something to point fingers at.

John Edwards screwed up. His political career is doomed. He'll be on the way of Gary Hart. A distant memory.

I think that it's much more interesting to talk about things that really matter. Like bringing troops home and fighting the real war on terror in Afghanistan. < :-)

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Were you talking to me?

No. My 3:06 post is a reply to frontandcenter, edited by the moderator.

But feel free to carry out your little thought experiment.

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If Edwards were Republican or in any other way Conservative, this story would be never-ending....

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If Edwards were Republican or in any other way Conservative, this story would be never-ending....

Four days and a hundred posts. And that with the U.S. presidential election in three months and the Olympics on right now and even a near war in Georgia. Another thing you don't seem to understand is that Mr. Edwards confessed, and that always numbers the days of a story like this. I am sorry, but your please pity the Republican party plea has fallen on deaf ears.

I agree in a small way that a conservative would get a bit more coverage. But that is what happens when you are a member of the party that touts itself as being the moral party, and you do something immoral. The other guy is not going to get it as hard. If Republicans dont like the situation, they can back off their morality stance or weed out the immoral types better.

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Hey, at least he cheated with a woman. The repubs are usually tapping their toes to pick up some gay sex or chasing after kids as well Senator Craig and Mark Foley.

Lets not forget Newt G. who divorced his wife while she was in the hospital with cancer so he could marry his intern. Wow!!

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undecidedbout08,

Thanks for clearing that up. I think that is "your little thought experiment", so let me know when you get a result.

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Acknowledging a sex scandal he had dismissed as “tabloid trash” only last month,

It's still tabloid trash. It just happens to be TRUE tabloid trash.

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The ethical problem is not screwing around. (Or not JUST screwing around.) The ethical problem is running for the highest office while holding the ticking bomb of an infidelity scandal. He betrayed his party and all of his political supporters.

If he wants to screw around and he has an understanding with his wife (which apparently he didn't), that's fine. But don't drag everyone else down with your behavior. He's a scumbag.

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If he wants to screw around and he has an understanding with his wife (which apparently he didn't)

You have no reason to assume that either way, mate.

The ethical problem is running for the highest office while holding the ticking bomb of an infidelity scandal. He betrayed his party and all of his political supporters.

Just because people have a weakness and inability to stay out of other's personal lives does not mean we should pander to that weakness. Far smarter to have a good president with a messy personal life than an idiot lying president whose personal life is (apparently) squeaky clean. Which does America have right now? Which was Thomas Jefferson? I rest my case.

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A lying democrat party apparachik, and mainstream press covering up until it is safe. What is new? Nothing to see here, lets move on.

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What is this obsession with affairs?

The only ones we hear about are those in high places that get caught. Hang out in the lobby of any fancy hotel and see the REALLY dodgy things that go on there.

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"It just happens to be TRUE tabloid trash."

A real rarity, eh, Nessie?

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Hang out in the lobby of any fancy hotel and see the REALLY dodgy things that go on there.

Agreed....Though the pick up line Bush lied about Iraq isn't the line I would use to get some action meself.

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What else is the liberal media hiding from America???????????

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You have no reason to assume that [he did or did not have an understanding with his wife], mate.

I'm not assuming it. I'm going by what he said: He had a tearful confession to his wife. If they had had an understanding, then there would have been no need for a confession, tearful or otherwise. Mate.

Just because people have a weakness and inability to stay out of other's personal lives does not mean we should pander to that weakness. Far smarter to have a good president with a messy personal life than an idiot lying president whose personal life is (apparently) squeaky clean.

The bottom line is that he was a walking wounded candidate who kept his hat in the ring despite knowing that his infidelities could blow up in his face any minute and sink his party's chances. He was selfish with respect to his wife and his party.

Whether or not the public's prejudices are rational, the prejudices are well know to all, and the consequences of his messy personal life were obvious. I would rather have a competant philanderer than an inept non-philanderer, but here in the real world, if you're a politician who screws around on your cancer-ridden wife then you're endangering your job prospects and betraying your party and supporters.

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If I had cancer and couldn't perform or wasn't in the mood, I wonder how outraged I'd be if my spouse went out and satisfied a human need.

The fact that Edwards's wife had cancer makes him less of a villain, not more - in my book at least.

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Shouldn't the time your spouse is potentially dying be the one time you SHOULDN'T cheat!? How important can that piece of tail be?

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If they had had an understanding, then there would have been no need for a confession, tearful or otherwise. Mate.

If the understanding is in written form, printed and signed in triplicate, and notarized, probably not. But most understandings are not so clear. And usually, the spouse does not want to know the details. Wives are usually still sensitive to this sort of thing, even if they have given tacit approval. And even more than that, is performance to the political circus. You think the statement "My wife totally approves of my swinging ways!" is remotely acceptable for a politician to say?

The bottom line is that he was a walking wounded candidate who kept his hat in the ring despite knowing that his infidelities could blow up in his face any minute and sink his party's chances. He was selfish with respect to his wife and his party.

So you are saying that Thomas Jefferson never should have even entered the race for presidency, given his scandals. Utter tripe!

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Shouldn't the time your spouse is potentially dying be the one time you SHOULDN'T cheat!?

I do think you understand the situation. Mrs. Edwards was not on her deathbed. This was two years ago. She has been suffering for years.

How important can that piece of tail be?

Well, by this statement we can assume that you find little value in sex and romance and how it affects emotional stability. I used to be stoic myself.

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So you are saying that Thomas Jefferson never should have even entered the race for presidency, given his scandals. Utter tripe!

It depends on whether it would have affected Jefforson's election chances. I don't know enough about the mores of the day to say either way.

If, given the press of that time and the mores of the day, it was likely to have come out and to have jeopardized his election chances, then yes, Jefferson never should have enetered the race for presidency. Otherwise, he should have entered the race.

Moderator: No more on Jefferson please.

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Compared to Edwards, former NY governor Spitzer now appears to be a genius. Or a more economical skirt chaser. His woman only cost $5,000 (plus his job of course). Edwards paid his whore well over a million dollars and she's over 40.

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skipthesong: "smitty, what is your problem? Only you would bring Bush into a conversation like this and yet have the audacity to roll at me with your shirt sleeves up for having misdirected anger..."

Dude, I didn't mention bush's name once... not once. Funny you did in misdirecting your anger, though. Now... what was that part about 'having the audacity to roll at me with your shirt sleeves up'? :) Dude... READ, not READ WHAT YOU WANT INTO SOMETHING.

" Dude, there are other places to post your anti-Bush writings and this is not one!"

Again, didn't say bush once. I said I would take love affairs over war any day, and was condemning those who say that the former is immoral while having said in the past the latter is 'necessary'.

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skipthesong: "Now I know you are from Mars. That depends on how fine she looked to him at that moment. Don't sit and tell me if you were married and a fine looking woman jumped on you you would "do the right thing" and tell her your a married man. No body in their right mind is going to do that."

Now... If I'm from Mars for saying the man had a choice, and you're NOT from Mars for saying the ridiculous remarks you just did... well... all I can say is you got your planet's mixed up, my friend. Oh, and you are weak-willed and can't control yourself if you actually practice what you preach here. But as I said before, do us a favour and stop lumping men into the scum that do the things you say EVERYONE does.

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