Muslim Brotherhood to hold talks with Egyptian government

The majority are young secular leftists and liberals, who launched the wave of protests though an Internet campaign, but the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood also has built a prominent role.

Ahhh the power of the left to stamp their feet in a temper tantrum to try to get their way. Very typical. And not representative of the whole of the population.

When you have nothing to lose and everything to gain --> it only makes sense that you should continue with the protests until Obama's puppet dictator is thrown out. When the $2 a day you earn can barely buy you food what other choices do you really have.

I would like to see the peaceful protests continue and shut down the whole country if they must --whatever it takes to get these globalist criminals out of office and positions of power.

Badsey:

" whatever it takes to get these globalist criminals out of office and positions of power. "

And the Muslim Brotherhood does not fit the definition of "globalist criminals"?

Another (big) headache is in the making for the world's policeman (US) to handle.. This time, if not being dealt with properly, could turn out to be a huge time bomb involving Israel, north African & the Middle Eastern Arabic world.. and indirectly Iran as obvious consequences.. East Asia will become less urgent as issues on the US priority list.. ( sorry, there is oil there in the Gulf Region )..Where have all the ' aircraft carriers' gone ?

Badsey: Mubarak was propped up by the US government for being the first Arab state to recognize Israel. Obama can hardly be blamed for US policy set in place 30 years ago.

The Obama administration is now distancing themselves from the envoy Obama himself picked, Frank Wisner. These Obama people are not only dangerous inept amateurs but also cynical liars.Wisner was vice-chairman of AIG.

When I see Christina Amanpour of CNN reporting from a disputed territory, I get nervous.And she was reporting from Cairo yesterday.

Victory for pro-democracy Sarah Palin and her conservative friends yet again! Our Sarah has once more come down on The Right Side by saying the Muslim Brotherhood should not be allowed to take power. Bravo!!

...hold on...the Muslim Brotherhood is Egypt's largest opposition party. Doesn't that mean that Our Sarah and her conservative friends would actually be denying democracy by trying to stop Egypt's largest opposition party from assuming power peacefully? Why, yes - I think it does!

But that would mean that Our Sarah, mikehuntez, Badsey, SolidariTea, etc. are actually ANTI-DEMOCRACY because you can't be pro-democracy and against the Muslim Brotherhood assuming power peacefully. Gosh, that would expose Our Sarah and her friends' rather blatant double standards!

"But that would mean that Our Sarah, mikehuntez, Badsey, SolidariTea, etc. are actually ANTI-DEMOCRACY because you can't be pro-democracy and against the Muslim Brotherhood assuming power peacefully."

9 out of 10 Egyptian women suffer genital mutilation, in the name of a certain religion and its dictates. Bad as Mubarak is/was, his wife has campaigned all over Egypt against this barbarism. To little effect.

So let me play Suhisake3 here:

Sushisake3 supports genital mutilation !

SushiSake:

" But that would mean that Our Sarah, mikehuntez, Badsey, SolidariTea, etc. are actually ANTI-DEMOCRACY because you can't be pro-democracy and against the Muslim Brotherhood assuming power peacefully. "

The issue is not about the Muslim Brotherhood "assuming power peacefully", but exercising their power. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to turn Egypt into Shariah hellhole and tear up the peace treaty with Isreal.

Remember, the nazis "assumed power peacefully" too. So did Khomeini in Iran. So the did Hamas in Gaza (initially at least).

So, can we argue that SushiSake is pro-nazi, pro Shariah?

SolidariTea, nice try but I'm not biting. You can't have your cake and eat it too, no matter how much you want to.

You can always tell the depth of a person's hypocrisy by the volume of their 'Oh, but I'm not a hypocrite!' cries. BINGO.

Can´t we just rename the Egyptian protesters as the "Egyptian Tea Party"? That should change the mind of the mainstream media pundits. Compare the media spin on anti-goverment protesters then, and now.

How the paradigm has changed...

I support democracy with freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of movement,freedom of association,:-).

If Mubarack had been an anti-American/Western leader, he would receive a lot of support here.

That's how it works right? I mean, Sushi and many like him have been very supportive of selected leaders around the world.

"can't have you cake and eat it too".. No, but one can try. The MB is an anti-semitic, anti-west, and unbeliever of democracy.. Sure, they'll use it to gain power, but from that point on..

And if you think Egypt is going to be all hunky dory once they win the elections, which I am sure they will, you've got another thing coming once the masses get a taste of what they're about. Oh, and I've been to their site, its cleaned and shows them as an all welcoming bunch, but to me their no different than David Duke who claims he no longer holds is "old" views and now seeks peace with all...

If you are left, and you are in support of the muslim brother hood you are hereby a real hypocrite as you will be supporting a very very conservative group....

The European powers carved up the Middle East, the USA is trying to not take sides on this Egypt mess in public, but as my Egyptian brother in law told me, many regular Egyptians really fear this MS, kind of like the wacky Taliban, Alqaeda etc...but with Egyptian accents not Saudi

For goodness sakes, people, this story is about EGYPT! I'm amazed how pretty much every single post on this site almost instantly turns into a whinge about American politics. Time for some people - left, right or incoherent - to get a life!

tclh:

" I support democracy with freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of movement,freedom of association,:-). "

Well, the Muslim Brotherhood supports none of the these things (check yourself how shariah-compliant they are. Of course, the Muslim Brotherhood very much supports a free election, where it will get a lot of votes from the uneducated masses in Egypt, who get their main clues from their local imams.

Skip, you are clearly very confused. Unlike many conservatives on this thread, I actually support democracy and the democratic process. It's a pity Badsey, WilliB, etc. can't honestly say the same thing. Btw, what happened to my earlier post:

Big question for you guys is: how can you claim to support democracy (as you do) and then not support democracy (as you do)? I'm seriously interested in your replies because I can't work out how to achieve a balance between the two either.

Seems like the conservatives on this thread will hail democracy, and then, whenever they feel the urge, blatantly discourage the entire democratic process. Having no real principles has never been so easy!

SushiSake:

" Big question for you guys is: how can you claim to support democracy (as you do) and then not support democracy (as you do)? "

Big question for you: Do you think that ONE popular election, without any democratic framework, makes a modern liberal democracy?

Hint: A majority voting to oppress a minority is precisely what the founding fathers of your country warned about.

sushi, don't call me a conservative, I still haven't decided where I fit - ok? put a check list in front of me and I'm all over the board. I really wish everything worked the way you imagined and I really wish I was wrong. You do not support democracy if you are willing to accept an organization like the MB.. Don't tell me if they get power, they'll be willing to hold fair and free elections after the fact. I was only a kid when Iran took place but at least I learned from it.

whenever they feel the urge, blatantly discourage the entire democratic process. Having no real principles has never been so easy" So, I'm not free to change my mind? Are you telling me that you would welcome such a conservative organization like MB being voted in your country? You'd just sit back and say "oh, well, there's the next elections to look forward to"? I doubt that you would. Quit playing games. Oh, what about your support for the very man who is still a dictator and responsible for chasing my mother's family out of said country? Or the other one who's leader for life? Or the other, who squashed a revolt very similar to this one in Egypt, yet you and Obama basically went silent. I came here on Sunday out of respect for you BTW

@WilliB: my post about democracy with conditions of freedom is an attempt to answer SushiSake3's question (deleted). I think people will support democracy with freedom attached not just democracy (free election to elect government of majority).

Skip, I've known you long enough to know you're not a conservative. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought you were - I don't. My underlying problem is the realization that I can't really work with - or have a meaningful debate with - people who state they support X and then refute their support for X whenever it's convenient. I mean, can you? But that's clearly what some posters above are doing. I don't know how to get around this problem. Let's face it, from what I know of the MB, I don't think they'd be good for Egypt either. But I'm not going to say I don't support the democratic process that might install them to power because I do. And yes, I also support democracy, in general. However, some posters on this thread (not you) have made it crystal clear they support democracy and the democratic process, and yet today, they clearly don't.

WilliB, can you answer my question? Thanks.

For goodness sakes, people, this story is about EGYPT! I'm amazed how pretty much every single post on this site almost instantly turns into a whinge about American politics. Time for some people - left, right or incoherent - to get a life!

A voice of reason, shining like a halo in the gloom.

donkusai: For goodness sakes, people, this story is about EGYPT! I'm amazed how pretty much every single post on this site almost instantly turns into a whinge about American politics. Time for some people - left, right or incoherent - to get a life!

This is their life. They're slaves.

I think the Muslim Brotherhood has CIA and other ties = I think the Egyptian people have a right to question this group and for this group to explain themselves and their financial backing. I do not think the Muslim Brotherhood is good for Egypt policy at this time and the posturing of the Muslim Brotherhood by USA/Obama/Clinton as their puppet has me worried.

All this matters little with a possible food shortage and economic collapse. -This is the main reason for the Gov delay in forcing Mubarak out. Getting rid of Mubarak immediately is the best solution --prayers (non-violent protest) all week and then on prayer day (Friday) we push him out. The Egypt people have suffered enough.

This is Globalism/Austerity and just the start of the food speculation by the bankers. =More farmers are needed to help this situation and The Fed should not be giving 0% loans to corrupt banks for this food speculation. Say no to free trade agreements in Japan also. IMF/WTO/UN are the problem and the Egyptian people realize this and want to be free from their tyranny.

Ahhh the power of the left to stamp their feet in a temper tantrum to try to get their way. Very typical. And not representative of the whole of the population.

I hadn't realized the Tea Party was a leftist organization. Thanks for clearing that up mikehuntez!

I consider Mubarak a "Globalist Puppet" and Kleptocrat who enslaves his people. There is no Democracy in Egypt --> only a Kleptocracy. And the sooner it comes to an end the sooner the people will have a chance at life once again. Hardships may endure, but it will be worth it. I am hoping Muslim people unite around Egypt and help them.

=You are slapping the people of Egypt in the face when calling their regime a Democracy.

I hadn't realized the Tea Party was a leftist organization. Thanks for clearing that up mikehuntez!

What exactly does US politics have to do with this? And I love tea parties. Earl Grey being one of my favorites. Egyptian tea is way too sweet for me.

We will have to let the people of Egypt make their own choice. They haven't really had that ability, so it is time to let them.

oh no the M word, panic time for some

Sushisake3 - Seems like the conservatives on this thread will hail democracy, and then, whenever they feel the urge, blatantly discourage the entire democratic process. Having no real principles has never been so easy!

If what you say is true, it's very troubling. Germany had like more than 30 parties in its democracy before WWII and people couldn't make up their minds. Then Adolf H. made an end to all the indecisiveness by taking advantage of the situation and turning the country into a dictatorship.

Perhaps modern democracy should be changed a little and let the folks choose their next dictator ?

donkusai - For goodness sakes, people, this story is about EGYPT! I'm amazed how pretty much every single post on this site almost instantly turns into a whinge about American politics. Time for some people - left, right or incoherent - to get a life!

Egypt is an American product. Don't know your age but you could know if you were able to read newspapers from the time Saddad was in power.

Mikehuntez - The majority are young secular leftists and liberals, who launched the wave of protests though an Internet campaign, but the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood also has built a prominent role.

Ahhh the power of the left to stamp their feet in a temper tantrum to try to get their way. Very typical. And not representative of the whole of the population.

From your words one could conclude that MB are comparable with the conservatives in the U.S.

WilliB - And the Muslim Brotherhood does not fit the definition of "globalist criminals"?

If one combines what WilliB AND mikehuntez are saying the conservatives are the globalist criminals. Not to far from the truth in my opinion.

What worries me most is why folks posting here seem to know what would be best for Egypts future. Our form and perception of democracy does not necessarily fit their needs.

Here we go... down the slippery slope.

The Muslim Brotherhood, the mother organisation of Hamas, will now be involved in the Egyptian government.

The old chants of "he he ho ho Wester civ has got to go" come to mind. We are getting a big step closer to that.

WilliB, can you answer my question?

Muslim Brotherhood to hold talks with Egyptian government

Should anyone be surprised by this? The Islamofascist instigators of the protests have now asserted themselves.

Yes. It is amusing to see atheist leftists who relentlessly bash the 'tea party' movement in America because it is predominantly xtian insist that the Muslim Brotherhood be allowed to take over from Mubarak, who came to power after a bunch of Mohammedan crazies (u can be sure the media at the time assured all they were "moderate") killed his boss.