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EU prepares more Russia sanctions; Kremlin readies offensiveBy SUSIE BLANN KYIV, Ukraine
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Keep launching pathetic and useless sanctions against Russia, it won't help, Russia is evading them with no problem...
US sanctions are useless.
Look at Cuba, 60 years of sanctions and 11 pathetic US presidents and they have not been able to change anything in Cuba, only to ruin the people more and more with their pathetic sanctions..
If these weapons were deployed without Russia being told about it they could have been devastating because Command Centers and supply depots could have been taken out.
Thankfully for the Russians, NATO provided advanced warning about the deployment so the Russians have plenty of time to move key assets out of range.
Loose lips sink ships... but NATO doesn't seem to mind when its not their boys who pay the price for leaking militarily valuable information.
More EU sanctions? So more pain for the people of Europe.
Move them to where? And, what's the implication for the invasion? It's about more than a one-off surprise strike.
So… backwards then. That’s actually pretty successful… even without firing them.
Bronco these bombs will be deployed until the fall, Biden say Putin can keep Ukrainain land as long as he end hostility
That’s the point.
Awa no Gaijin
You make it sound as if Russia doesn't have its own surveillance.
NATO is helping to protect Russian assets ?
Have you lost your mind ?
HIMARS are almost out of ammo
We have already given them 2 -3 years worth of full production of HIMARS and 8.5 years production of Javelins.
Well then I guess the US will have to up it's production to supply Ukraine and it's fight against fascist Russia.
man, if only there were a solution to this problem. Blacklabel, you said you don’t want Russia to win, but every day we see more comments that seem to say otherwise.
If Russia ends up conquering Ukraine, I imagine you would be pretty pleased, no?
well take a break and think a bit if you can.
what west get by imposing of sanctions against Russia?did they make UA even one small step closer to their "victory"?did these sanctions have imposed heavy damages to russian economy,army,government or country national interests?did you cut off and "isolate" Russia from other world?
my answer is 3 times big NO
now next EU step are new sanctions.
question remains same.
will these sanctions finally broke neck of Russia?
let me say I believe opposite will happen as broken neck may be at EU side.just look what is going on in EU now,abt inflation,prices for living costs,food,check all of demosntrations in UK and France you largely ignore at JT...and yes this is just a beginning folks.
only insane EU gov will act against interests of own country and in name of US interests.and yes-it seems that EU leadership is out of reality and act as very insane.
if the war stopped today due to the US running out of ammo to prolong it, I would be pleased.
No more innocent people would have to die in the proxy war.
what if we cant, dont want to pay for it, or need some ammo for ourselves for the Iran or China war that Biden is going to stumble and bumble us into?
point is the side that is confirmed as "running out of ammo" is actually the US backed side.
Blacklabel - if Ukraine stopped fighting tomorrow and laid down their arms (which they will not do, btw), Russia would march right up to their western border and stay there and Ukraine would essentially disappear as a country. Do you think Russia would be a model global citizen and just play nice with the former Ukrainians? Or is it more likely than the horrors we have witnessed in the territories that Russia has occupied would be repeated on a much larger scale and with even more impunity?
There are literally hundreds of thousands of MLRS rounds that can be fired from a HIMARS vehicle. Thousands are produced every year and Lockheed-Martin has ramped up production.
Blacklabel - should people trade freedom for security? Would you?
Easy: we can and we will pay for it.
What if, what if, what if. I don't care about hypotheticals, when the Ukrainians need arms now. Get them what they need to fight off the fascists.
negotiated peace prevents that from happening. If you dont negotiate and you just lose, then what you said is the end result.
Hey, im just reporting what I am reading. ammo is running short for a lot of the US provided items.
USA is almost out of ammo for HIMARS. they can ramp up production, but like the tanks, that doesnt mean it gets made today or even arrives right after its made.
Btw, the rockets being used to make GLSDB are surplus. Out of humanitarian considerations all of the MLRS rounds with cluster munitions have been removed from service and their warheads destroyed. That leaves a lot of surplus rocket motors. The original version of Small Diameter Bomb, SDB, is being replaced rapidly by SDBII, same basic idea as SDB, a small highly accurate bomb with wings to let it glide long distances to the target and maneuver a bit, but SDBII has an advanced seeker. Early SDBs with their older seeker are now in surplus. So some clever individual hit on the idea of mating the surplus rockets to a surplus SDB and, serendipity, this round fits into an existing MLRS launcher. There is some precedent for this. In decades past some engineers in the Navy hit on the idea of using surplus rocket motors from recently retired Shrike missiles (HARM was replacing Shrike in the fleet) and attaching these to the back of a 1000lb Paveway II bomb, creating a guided anti-ship missile with a very big warhead. It was called Skipper II because the Bang-Bang guidance gave it a flight path that looked a bit like a rock skipping on the water. The II is for Paveway II. There are some clever engineers in the US military who can come up with weapons on the fly when there is a war driving innovation. Integrating HARM missiles to Ukrainian MiG-29s and SU-27s is another example.
so disingenuous. its not really what if, its when. ammo will run out, it is not unlimited.
you claim to really not care if the USA gives all their ammo to Ukraine and then China invades Taiwan and we have nothing left? very obtuse and short sighted foreign policy.
Blacklabel - and if Russia keeps going right after a negotiated settlement, then what?
Except the Ukrainian people don't want a negotiated peace. They want their land back, and you don't want to allow them to do so. Also, I'm not really sure how the Ukrainians are supposed to negotiate with Russia when Putin has said the following:
For real. Like if someone wants to kill me and I don’t want to be killed, what’s to negotiate?
Think again. The sanctions have stopped the production of new tanks, trucks, cars, airplanes and most missiles. Russia is having a very hard time sourcing many items. Their trucks and some armored vehicles rely on Cummins engines. No parts for those any more. Their airlines are slowing running out of airplanes because they have to cannibalize airplanes to keep others flying. They cannot source normal consumable spares and repair items when needed. Auto production is all but ceased for lack of components. United Aircraft cannot take new orders for combat jets for foreign customers because of a lack of electronics components. The Russians will find ways to obtain small quantities of these things but not enough to support series production of anything much less replace combat losses. This is especially true of military trucks and armored vehicles. Even if they could produce tanks at pre-invasion, pre-sanctions levels, Russia would need over a decade to replace what they have lost in combat.
So yeah the sanctions are working.
No, it's not disingenuous to point out that:
is a hypothetical.
You're using hypothetical situations to justify not helping a country that actually needs the support, so they'll be forced into negotiations they don't want. And this is all done under the guise of "caring" for the plight of the Ukrainian people.
I get that you want Ukraine to fail, and you have your reasons, but don't let your hopes blind you. It's obvious the sanctions are working. Do they have adverse effects outside Russia? yes, but it doesn't mean they aren't working. Do you think Russia really wants to be dependent on whatever Iran and North Korea don't need? It's a quick fix (kind of), not a long-term strategy.
a mutually agreeable solution to deescalate the situation into one where them killing you is no longer their goal?
caring for the LIVES of the Ukrainian people- yes.
Their plight...can be successfully negotiated to a better one.
If we carried that hypothetical to a logical conclusion, then nobody would ever help anyone in need, because those resources might be needed in some hypothetical future.
I checked and tried negotiating with dude, and he still wants to kill me and now I have wasted time and effort that could have gotten me into a more favorable negotiating position.
lol Right, which is exactly why you advocate for solutions they don't want. Nonsense.
Ah yes, negotiate with a leader denies Ukrainian statehood is unsustainable.
What do you do when inevitably Russia tries to just a little more of the country? Shrug your shoulders? Just hope this time they'll keep their word?
We aren’t giving anything we can’t afford to lose and we can and will make more (and are currently doing so).
Would you hand your home over to a heavily armed gang for the sake of a "mutually agreeable solution? So what's that? They live in the house and drive your cars while you get the back yard shed, a garden hose and a skateboard? Maybe you would but I would rather go down fighting than give up. I imagine a lot of Ukrainians feel the same way.
You don't know that because stockpile numbers are classified. Always have been too.
Much of what the US is providing are either in high volume series production (Javelin and Stinger, though Stinger is about to be replaced by something else) or weapons the US no longer uses but built tens of thousands of, like HARM, Hawk and the rockets being mated to those now surplus SDBs that can be fired from an MLRS or HIMARS launcher. The US built something like 50,000 HARMS based on unclassified budget exhibits. The US and allies built literally hundreds of thousands of the rockets used by MLRS and HIMARS. They are building thousands more per year. If anything the war in Ukraine has taught the US and other NATO allies a valuable lesson about wartime mobilization that is being taken to heart.
The UK military is in a sorry state. Not even enough ammo is stockpiled. Damn Tories again.