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EU agency: AstraZeneca vaccine safe, but will add clot warning

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By MARIA CHENG and FRANK JORDANS

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Time will tell. Nobody can say these experimental rushed to market vaccines are safe

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Time will tell. Nobody can say these experimental rushed to market vaccines are safe

Yes they can. Nobody had evidence that they aren’t.

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For example, it took nearly a year after vaccination campaigns began against the 2009 swine flu pandemic for European officials to notice an increase in narcolepsy in children and teenagers who got the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine.

This example is frequently used by people more interested in convincing others to join their antivax religion than in public health.

Two very important details from this case are often left unsaid, the first is that the problem was because a lot of the vaccine contained higher amounts than usual of a protein of the virus that affected people with a genetic predisposition, the second is that obviously the natural infection with the virus produce that problematic protein in huge quantities compared with the vaccine, meaning that the narcolepsy was more frequent in people infected than in people vaccinated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562845/

For mRNA-only vaccines there is no protein being produced except for the target spike, so this kind of side-effect its outside of a realistic possibility. And for the AstraZeneca vaccine there is a very small chance of a reaction against some of the proteins of the adenovirus used to deliver the mRNA, but by this time it would already be identified, so it is not likely at all that it can happen.

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COVID vaccines don't prevent blood clots. That's what we know.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/amid-panic-over-astrazeneca-vaccine-who-urges-countries-to-keep-using-it/

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Time will tell. Nobody can say these experimental rushed to market vaccines are safe

Yes they can. Nobody had evidence that they aren’t.

Most reasonable people would agree that the burden of proof when it comes to safety of vaccines lies squarely on the manufacturer.

The long term data simply doesn’t exist as these so called “vaccines” were rushed and we haven’t had the chance to study the potential effects on new borns coming into educational age, or yet alone reproductive age.

Don't forget that not so long ago ”experts” used to say cigarettes, DDT, Thalidomide were not harmful or even good for us.

Some vaccines are good for humanity but as for these “interventions” the jury is still out.

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This sentence was an eye-opener for me. "The longer the coronavirus is allowed to circulate widely, the more chance it has to mutate into a deadlier version."

So, essentially this is now a race against time, then.

And as for Japan......................................... "Wait for me!!!!!"

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The long term data simply doesn’t exist as these so called “vaccines” were rushed and we haven’t had the chance to study the potential effects on new borns coming into educational age, or yet alone reproductive age.

That is irrelevant, there is no mechanism known for the vaccines to affect newborns. Asking for proof of absence of imaginary dangers is not an ethical reason to stop unnecessary deaths by COVID.

Don't forget that not so long ago ”experts” used to say cigarettes, DDT, Thalidomide were not harmful or even good for us.

Science is the method we have to know if something is or not harmful, and the modern science is much better at that job than anything else tried, do you think something may be dangerous? get the data to prove it (or at least to indicate it), else you are not on the side that identify unknown risks but on the opposite one.

The COVID vaccines have proved to be much safer than the infection, there is no reasonable doubt that the disease they prevent is much more risky than any realistic risk from the vaccines. The infection produce complications and even death, and elevates the risks of permanent health problems. Unless you have objective data that proves the vaccines cause the same the only logical conclusion is that a person is much safer vaccinated than not.

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Most reasonable people would agree that the burden of proof when it comes to safety of vaccines lies squarely on the manufacturer. 

The long term data simply doesn’t exist as these so called “vaccines” were rushed and we haven’t had the chance to study the potential effects on new borns coming into educational age, or yet alone reproductive age. 

Don't forget that not so long ago ”experts” used to say cigarettes, DDT, Thalidomide were not harmful or even good for us.

Some vaccines are good for humanity but as for these “interventions” the jury is still out.

No. If you are saying these vaccines are dangerous then you should provide evidence. Which you cannot. So that’s enough, thank you.

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So the system check works

If there's possible issues, they take a step back and investigate

After investigation, results decide to resume or not

That's what's supposed to happen

Britain continues to vaccinate millions with AstraZeneca, and zero blood clots. That's some good odds

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We are all part of the solution, but need to do our individual part.

wear a mask in public, social distance, stay home when possible, avoid crowds

get vaccinated when it is your turn, if you don't have medical conditions to prevent it.

Normalcy will come sooner for everyone that way. At the current pace of vaccination, 70% should be done by about June 20th. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

I'll be vaccinated next week. The process was fairly easy online to get on the list, got an email to check for appointments, found a number of appointment slots available. Including the sign up, it was less than 10 minutes effort.

In theory, my state is the worse in vaccine deployment. Just behind the USVI and ahead of Puero Rico (US Territories) I was on the waiting list less than 2 weeks, but the numbers are very concerning. The Governor (who I don't trust much) said the reporting of dosed delivered by private locations has been delayed for some reason.

Or perhaps too many foolish Trump-Republicans not choosing the vaccinate. Didn't they hear that Trump got vaccinated in January?

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