EU sanctions Hungary, Poland, Czechs over refugees

 for refusing to take in their share of refugees under a controversial solidarity plan.

Question to the bleeding heart liberals is, are these nations rabid racists or are they simply looking at the current state of europe and practicing caution?

The EU should be reconstituted along the lines of NAFTA, ie, allowing member countries to make their own immigration policies.

 If Britain does leave the EU and loses access to the EU fingerprint databases...

Why would that happen? It would be in neither sides' interest.

How many of these migrants will actually want stay in Poland or Hungary considering they will recieve next to no social welfare benefits compared to the wealthier countries in the west?

like any other country they have their fair share of rabid racists.

I would go further and say that they have more than their fair share. But that really begs the question; why would you want to force this group of migrants to live in a society where you know they will probably be relentlessly discriminated against and will never flourish in? It seems like ideological concerns are trumping common sense here. If Britain does leave the EU and loses access to the EU fingerprint databases, a significant number of any migrants resettled in eastern Europe could eventually rip up their identity documents and make their way to the UK claiming to be fresh arrivals, it's inevitable.

What is fairly clear is that the entire asylum system is long overdue for a complete overhaul. I think this EU spat might be the start of that converstation. In an age of global travel and the mobile internet, there is no way that the system can continue to reward people based on thier ability to physically reach the borders of any country or continent and recite the carefully prepared story they have been told will guarantee the grant of asylum. Every asylum seeker today knows exactly where to go, how best to get there, and what they need to say when they arrive. It's completely new and untenable situation.

 Yet the far right and neo nazis seek to tarnish their reputation. 

Pray tell. How did you surmise that everyone for controlled immigration is far right / neo nazi? SMH!!

Good to know there is someone with a brain.

Bleeding hearts who blindly go along their "I'm being such a good person" path lack wisdom. Any country's first and utmost priority is to take care of their own citizens FIRST. Not foreign nationals before the safety and protection of their own citizens.  When you ignore your own citizens first, you end up with a lot of anger and resentment of the government by the indigenous people of that country. It's a very simple and reasonable concept.

Hungary, Poland, etc have every right to say, "No, we're not going to in order to keep our own citizens safe".  It is the EU's fault for having such a terrible immigration system that didn't have any effective method of vetting immigrants and instead saying, "The doors are open! Come on IN!".  A bird brained idea on how to do immigration.

Question to the bleeding heart liberals is, are these nations rabid racists or are they simply looking at the current state of europe and practicing caution?

No, like any other country they have their fair share of rabid racists. These countries are no exception. Poland has some of the friendliest people you could imagine but also many neo nazis. Some of whom turned up in the UK to cause mayhem.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-stabbed-during-violence-as-polish-neo-nazis-storm-tottenham-music-festival-9556346.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/06/foreign-born-fascists-radicalise-uk-far-right-movement

But yeah; have a go at the real problem; the bleeding heart liberals.

@JeffLee

The EU should be reconstituted along the lines of NAFTA, ie, allowing member countries to make their own immigration policies.

The problem here is slightly more complicated than countries taking back control over immigration policies. As you might already know, under the Dublin regulations (which EU states have signed on to) EU members like Poland and Hungary can automatically deport any asylum seeker that arrives at their borders back to the first EU country they entered in order to have their claims assessed (usually Greece or Italy). In exchange, there was supposed to be a system of sharing out the asylum seekers. Unfortunately, the entire system broke down after Greece and Italy started recognising everyone's claims just to move them along. Officially, Poland and Hungary aren't objecting to the system they signed onto, but the way mandatory quotas were later introduced (and the fact that most of these migrants have not had their refugee status properly assessed). Merkel's subsequent invitation just threw everything into chaos and exacerbated fears about any mandatory quotas.

On your NAFTA point, if the EU went back to a pre-Dublin system (similar to NAFTA) any asylum seeker who arrived in Britain (or any other country of their choice) would be entitled to have their claim assessed in that country and stay there if found to be a genuine asylum seeker. Is this sort of asylum shopping system you actually want? In the context of North America, do you think it's right that Canada cannot deport the recent asylum seekers who have crossed the US/Canada border back to the US?

Why would that happen?

Because the current rules don't allow for sharing of the databases with third countries, and anything that requires a positive change in the law could be difficult and take time. There is a thicket of national and EU privacy laws involved. Any new agreement would also be unprecedented since the EU doesn't share this information with any third country (even though you could argue that it's in everyone's interest to do so). In fact, the member states are even reluctant to share the various fingerprint databases amongst themselves, let alone outsiders. I don't want the UK to lose access, and I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm just setting out what will happen if no new changes to the law are agreed. So far, the negotiations haven't even started.

It would be in neither sides' interest.

Can you explain to me exactly why it would not be in the EU's interest to see asylum seekers chosing to leave the EU and head to a non-Dublin third country where deportation back to the EU would not be possible? Honestly, it sounds like a dream scenario for the EU.

Unless Britain introduces a pre-authorisation visa system, I think we are headed back to the sort of 80,000 per year asylum seeker levels we saw in the year before the border controls were moved to France. If the UK stumbles out of the Dublin regulations and then France eventually decides to move the border back to Dover, you would see unprecedented levels of asylum seekers arriving on a regular basis.

And that said far right and neo nazis tarnish the reputation of genuine migrants.

We will always have racists. They're basically every where. Even in Mass gatherings that support controlled immigration. Face it. People have finally woken up to the charade. Europe is in tatters from the massive uncontrolled immigration and no one wants part of that anymore!!

Ironically, there are many migrants from these 3 countries around the world. Yet the far right and neo nazis seek to tarnish their reputation. Sad times that pass.

Pray tell. How did you surmise that everyone for controlled immigration is far right / neo nazi? SMH!!

I didn't. I linked to articles earlier in the thread about the far right in Europe and the UK. And that said far right and neo nazis tarnish the reputation of genuine migrants.

And yeah, I'm so bleeding heart the dry cleaning bills are astronomical.

We will always have racists. They're basically every where. Even in Mass gatherings that support controlled immigration. Face it. People have finally woken up to the charade. Europe is in tatters from the massive uncontrolled immigration and no one wants part of that anymore!!

So, do the wars and sell the weapons but don't do the consequences?

Hey Poland, Czechia and Hungary, you guys should accept your fair share of terror attacks. Paris is getting hit weekly but Prague is untouched.

This isn't fair.

But come to think of it, Czezit has a nice ring to it.

I suppose attacks on immigrants don't count as acts of terror? Or being so afraid that the police will beat you senseless that you can't do anything about reporting it. When the people of the land are just taking the Hungarian PM for his word when he describes you as "poison".

Yes. Fairness doesn't come into it at all. Or honesty.