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EU vows to protect energy network after 'sabotage' of Russian gas pipeline

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Russia built the pipeline.

Russia controls the flow in the pipeline and can stop the flow at any time. They don't need to blow it up to stop the flow.

Russia needs the pipeline to be operational to be used as a bargaining chip with Europe.

Leaders in the EU know exactly who did this, the Polish defence minister even tweeted "thank you USA" and Germany especially will not let this pass without consequences.

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Nord Stream No2 pipeline has never operated. Russia suspended supply from the No1 pipeline. Europe will do everything to move away from Russian gas.

The CIA warned about an attack on the pipeline.

The CIA warned its counterparts in Berlin earlier this summer of possible attacks on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, according to a Tuesday report. 

Gasprom owns 51%.

German company Wintershall Dea 15.5%.

German company PEG Infrastruktur AG (E.ON) PEG Infrastruktur AG (E.ON) 15.5%.

Dutch company N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie 9.0%

French company ENGIE ENGIE 9.0%

https://www.nord-stream.com/about-us/our-shareholders/

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And the Russian Government knew from day one Europe's is at its most venerable when starved of its addition for Russian Energy, oil, gas etc.

Merkel Government was warned time and again to deal with its dependency of to Russian fossil fuels.

Merkel recklessly ignored all warnings.

The Russian Government is behind this economic and soon to be ecological catastrophe, knowing full well Europe, its people will freeze to death, the old, the most vernable, this cold winter.

Another atrocity to add to the ever growing list.

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Not surprising Putin would engage in eco-terrorism, given his nuclear terrorism at Chernobyl and Zaporizhzhia...

As was mentioned, just another clear war crime to add to the list of thousands that he will be held accountable for...

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Russia built the pipeline.

Russia controls the flow in the pipeline and can stop the flow at any time. They don't need to blow it up to stop the flow.

Russia needs the pipeline to be operational to be used as a bargaining chip with Europe.

Leaders in the EU know exactly who did this, the Polish defence minister even tweeted "thank you USA" and Germany especially will not let this pass without consequences.

Exactly, spot on.

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The CIA warned about an attack on the pipeline.The CIA warned its counterparts in Berlin earlier this summer of possible attacks on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, according to a Tuesday report. 

CIA issued a warning indeed....and as pointed out by others it's a classic page from their playbook. Warning about an incident you are involved in planning and exexuting is usually a very effective and accurate warning indeed.

The Russian Government is behind this economic and soon to be ecological catastrophe, knowing full well Europe, its people will freeze to death, the old, the most vernable, this cold winter."

Sorry but this is a stretch too far, the negative aspects far outweigh anything positive Russia could achieve from blowing up both of their pipelines and it's not hard to see which country has the resources to carry this out and benefits most from this " incident".

Nobody can argue about Russia being wrong in invading Ukraine but this is not their doing.

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so people actually think Russia would destroy their own pipeline rather than just..... turn it off?

critical thinking is severely lacking in the world society and even more so in the world media.

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Blacklabel

Russia had already turned off the pipeline.

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then why damage it? and if its off, why is gas still "spewing" out?

As gas spewed out under the Baltic Sea for a third day after first being detected

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The pipeline is Russia's joystick, applying pressure on Europe. They have no reason to damage it. It's unlikely that Ukraine or eco activists would have the ability to do this on the sly. Ukraine would be endangering its own lifeline. The most likely candidate (motive and ability) is the US. Would love to hear what the Germans really think about that. There's nothing they can do. NATO can hardly help. Even if they had clear evidence that the US did it, they can't publicise it, as public recognition of such an attack would end the NATO alliance. Things may get interesting if Trump offers an opinion on it.

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The pipelines need to contain a minimum amount of gas to maintain their structure. In a 1000 km pipe that is a lot of gas.

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actually thats not even close to being true.

there are many unanswered questions about what happened and nothing has been proven whatsoever.

and the people who benefit the most from this would be the CIA, Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland and Anthony Blinken- who all represent the US of A.

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I saw some videos of Biden saying he would stop nordstream back in Feb, which I thought was interesting.

I don’t go for conspiracy theories and so I don’t think the US is behind this. But it’s funny how videos like that pop up. Or was it a deep fake?

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Only one of the two Nordstream 2 pipelines was damaged.

Putin still has his bargaining chip, while demonstrating a willingness to escalate to the point of indiscriminate ecological catastrophe.

yeah, it was Biden…right

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when people publicly threaten they are going to damage/stop something and then it happens, why wouldnt you believe them?

Its not a secret what they said they would do. they even told you.

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The US is already nearing maximum LNG production and export. The US can only export LNG to Europe in tankers. Most of the LNG fields are not on the East coast.

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why wouldnt you believe them?

Because the same people pushing this line are the same people who took a 30 second clip out of a 90 minute talk out of context and claimed it showed Biden bragging about blackmailing Ukraine into dropping an investigation into Hunter Biden. None of that happened, it's nonsense.

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Putie is desperate.

His "army" is getting it's ass kicked. His population of possible recruits is fleeing en-mass. His traditional allies are abandoning him. His nuclear bluff is being called.

He is desperate and desperate stupid men do desperate stupid things. Just look at his agent Don the Con.

The Russians did this because it's about all they have left.

Any rational sentient being knows this.

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And stupid people desperate to change the narrative believe lying sociopaths.

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Kurumazaka2.1

Only one of the two Nordstream 2 pipelines was damaged.

There are only two pipelines No1 & No2. No2 has never operated. Both pipelines were damaged in four places.

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None of that happened, it's nonsense.

but if you focus on this topic its actually not nonsense, you see and hear Joe Biden say this.

Speaking to reporters on February 7, Biden said: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2."

"We will bring an end to it," the president said. A journalist asked Biden how he could do that since Germany was in control of the project, the president replied: "I promise you: We will be able to do it."

Similar statements from others. "We will stop it one way or another".

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Just look at his agent Don the Con.

Was this person "mentioned" in this article? others seem to be concerned about that type of thing.

Oh and was Russia collusion hoax of 2016 was actually found to be real?

a Russian agent, huh?

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Blacklabel

None of that happened, it's nonsense.

but if you focus on this topic its actually not nonsense, you see and hear Joe Biden say this.

> Speaking to reporters on February 7, Biden said: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2."

The Nord Stream 2 pipeline was stopped by the Germans refusing to issue a license before it even operated.

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then why is this happening?

Gas bubbles from the Nord Stream 2 leak reaching surface of the Baltic Sea

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Wallace, Nordstream 2 has two separate pipes, only one of which was damaged.

But others noted that one of two Nord Stream 2 pipelines was undamaged, leaving Mr. Putin the possibility of using it as leverage if the winter turns particularly cold.

Many Western officials and analysts said sabotage would fit neatly into Mr. Putin’s broader Russian strategy of waging war on multiple fronts, using economic and political tools, as well as arms, to undermine Ukraine’s allies and weaken their resolve and unity. It demonstrates to an already jittery Europe how vulnerable its vital infrastructure is, including other pipelines and undersea power and telecommunications cables.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/28/world/europe/pipeline-sabotage-mystery-russia.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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"geriatric fool" and a "conniving schemer,"

"geriatric fool" for sure. the conniving schemers are "the White House" who keep walking back his geriatric fool moments.

geriatric fool, for announcing what you were going to do and then expecting people to believe you didnt do it when it happens.

That wasn't true, and I don't think this is either.

you saw the video of him saying he was going to do it, right?

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Analysis

Whether or not Russia was behind the Nord Stream blasts, little was at stake

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/27/whether-or-not-russia-was-behind-the-nord-stream-blasts-little-was-at-stake

But the fact remains that two undersea pipelines have been ruptured in a 24-hour period. They are designed to be tough: each section of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, the company’s literature says, has a steel case 27 to 41mm thick, in turn surrounded by a concrete coating of 60 to 110mm.

One of the explosions measured 2.3 on the Richter scale, which Danish experts described as in line with a powerful bomb from the second world war. It is not therefore an entirely trivial incident, whose consequences were tellingly being talked up by senior Russian figures on Tuesday.

From the analysis above both the pipelines are damaged.

The result forced spot gas prices to rise by 19%.

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This is the same game Little B plays when it fixates on one small part of a much larger story.

With the 1/6 committee it was an imagined inconsistency in a witnesses testimony. B kept insisting that members of Trump's USSS detail would testify and set the record straight. They never did. And the testimony is widely believed to be credible in spite of its best efforts.

Life makes a lot more sense to little b when the larger narrative is left un-examined. The idea that the United States would attack a pipeline of a NATO ally, thus risking not only the Ukraine resistance, but the entire NATO alliance.... That alone is just makes the "theory" beggar belief. It's just so stupid as to be laughable. So b never deals with that.

That the Russians have a history of doing this. That they like to send messages, especially when losing and cornered as they so clearly are now.

That NONE of our European Allies has any doubt that this is the doings of Russia. Don't deal with that either.

Well, little b doesn't know about that but Biden made one comment, taken out of context and that is that.

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Well, little b doesn't know about that but Biden made one comment, taken out of context and that is that.

there is no other context that his statement can have.

How about Victoria Nuland?

Nuland in January: “I want to be clear with you today. If Russia Invades Ukraine, Nord Stream 2 Will Not Move Forward”

She even said "I want to be clear"

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it was an imagined inconsistency in a witnesses testimony. B kept insisting that members of Trump's USSS detail would testify and set the record straight. They never did.

they were never invited to testfy again. small context you left out.

imagined inconsistency? so Trump grabbed the wheel of the Presidential limo.... from the other SUV that he was actually riding in?

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Clearly a US-ally job.

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There is a clear tactical managed agenda, timed to coincide with Russian governments intention to Annexa Ukrainian sovereign territory after a bogus referenda.

It is classic Putin, such action designed to cause maximum terror to Europe, and at the same time up the threats to persuade the free world that Putin would stop at nothing, even the first use of nuclear weapons.

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Nuland is famous for directly meddling in Ukraine politics while representing the United States. She got caught on tape back in 2014.

The audio clip, which was posted on Tuesday but gained wide circulation on Thursday, appears to show the official, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, weighing in on the make-up of the next Ukrainian government.

Nuland is heard telling U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt that she doesn’t think Vitaly Klitschko, the boxer-turned-politician who is a main opposition leader, should be in a new government.

“So I don’t think Klitsch (Klitschko) should go into the government,” she said in the recording, which appeared to describe events that occurred in late January. “I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.”

Its always the same people doing the same things. never any accountability for any of them.

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Ukraine into dropping an investigation into Hunter Biden. None of that happened, it's nonsense.

Because you say so?

Nuland in January: “I want to be clear with you today. If Russia Invades Ukraine, Nord Stream 2 Will Not Move Forward”

She even said "I want to be clear"

Yeah, I believe this White House as much as I believe in the sky is polka dots

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It bears repeating that the very premise that the United States would comit an act of war against NATO allies by "secretly" blowing up a pipe line that was not in use and had no prospect of being used is just so laughably stupid as to reasonably cause one to question the basic cognition of anyone ignorant enough to postulate it.

No reasonable person believes this.

None of our European allies believe this. Not one.

Putin had the motive, the opportunity and the means to do this. He is desperate. He did it.

But even that level of analysis is far too deep for some.

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you saw the video of him saying he was going to do it, right?

Lol define what "it" is, because I certainly haven't seen a video where Biden said he's going to blow up a pipeline.

Nuland is famous for directly meddling in Ukraine politics while representing the United States. She got caught on tape back in 2014

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with Nord 2? Was she mentioned in the article? If only the right were this upset about Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs.

|Because you say so?

No because the rightwing media took a clip out of context. The tape didn't actually say what the right claimed it did.

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that was not in use and had no prospect of being used 

again, then why was there gas in it?

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The tape didn't actually say what the right claimed it did.

then what does this say? what does bringing an end to the Nord Stream 2 mean then?

we will be able to do "it". what is "it" if not bringing an end to the pipeline. which was just done.

 Biden said: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2."

"We will bring an end to it," the president said. A journalist asked Biden how he could do that since Germany was in control of the project, the president replied: "I promise you: We will be able to do it."

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then what does this say? what does bringing an end to the Nord Stream 2 mean then?

I don't know and I don't care. The right has a bad habit of editing and taking quotes out of context. Unless you have video footage of US operatives blowing the pipeline up, I don't believe it was the US.

It could have been Russia, or just about any country.

What would the US gain from blowing up the pipeline? Not much.

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