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kibousha
Putin and its cronies are thugs
aaronagstring
The New York Times telling people what Basil Fawlty would have said was, “the bleedin’ obvious.”
Ampas
Because Russia destroying infrastructure that provides water to Russian-controlled Crimea makes so much sense.
Blacklabel
would we expect anything else from The NY Times?
so the CNN story that it collapsed was false? They said they had satellite pictures showing it happened over several days.
TaiwanIsNotChina
It does if they were at risk of losing the Crimean peninsula by losing the land bridge.
Madverts
The Russian fascists destroyed it in a panic to slow the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Crimea will be liberated so it seems also a scorched earth strategy as the tinpot Russian army continues to implode...
Blacklabel
But they arent.
the advance from the offensive is still being measured in meters.
ian
What's the evidence?
Ampas
It does if they were at risk of losing the Crimean peninsula by losing the land bridge.
The distance between Crimea and the front line is:
(a) 20 - 30 km
(b) 30 - 40 km
(c) 40 - 50 km
(d) 50 - 60 km
Basil Fawlty writing for the New York Times is more likely than Ukraine retaking Crimea.
Answer to the above question: d.
ian
panic?
3RENSHO
"panic?"
Correct.
TaiwanIsNotChina
If the terrorist defensive line is punctured it doesn't matter what the distance is.
Ampas
If the terrorist defensive line is punctured it doesn't matter what the distance is.
Being outnumbered in terms of troops and hardware also does not matter?
TaiwanIsNotChina
Russia has had an advantage in hardware (not so sure about troops) since the beginning of the war and they have still managed to fail spectacularly. You have to be in the right place, know how to use the hardware, and have the morale to do so.
ian
They were not afraid to absorb huge losses while on the offensive but were in panic to be on the defensive?
Ukraine counteroffensive must be overwhelming.
Ampas
"... they have still managed to fail spectacularly."
This 'spectacular failing' seems to be reflected neither on a map nor in terms of Ukrainian troop losses, the latter which may actually be part of the Russian strategy.
EFD
The Russians commit an extra of eco-terrorism in support of an illegal invasion?
No! It can’t be!.
Next their going to say that Putin is a war criminal.
Oh, wait…
EyesWideOpen
"The evidence clearly suggests..."
EyesWideOpen
What evidence beyond a few words?
ian
Has it been established who blew up the nordstream?
TaiwanIsNotChina
We all saw them make a run at Kyiv and fail. That's not part of any sane strategy.
ian
How about on whether Ukraine is responsible for it or not, do you think NATO would definitively know?
ian
responsible for the dam destruction I mean
Steven Mccarthy
This is Putins doing .!. Ukrainians or the west didn’t invade or encroach on Russian territory or sovereignty.!. The only peaceful solution is when Putin is taken out either by a bullet , or simply arrested for being the murdering thug he is.!. Putin and Putin alone has set Russia back 50+ years .!. I empathize with the Russian people, The entire living and next generation will only understand being poor.!. Vladimir bit off more than he can chew and should happy NATO hasn’t pushed them out … yet .!.
JJE
This is the same rag that said Iraq had WMDs.
And who sabotaged Nordstream II ?
Ampas
We all saw them make a run at Kyiv and fail. That's not part of any sane strategy.
Moving troops in the direction of Kiev was probably to make the Ukrainians commit more of their forces there. Taking the Russian speaking eastern part of the country was the objective.
InYourEye
McCarthy is alive .!. .!. .!.
JJE
This is very deceptive - it completely fails to mention that the dam was earth-fill embankment with a clay base type of construction.
There is no "passageway running through the dam's concrete base"
Blacklabel
So the guy who said it collapsed because experts had been saying for months that it was in desperate need of repair?
now he’s here talking that of course Russia blew it up.
any propaganda seems to do just fine in the flip flopping.
Cards fan
Right, so the NYT isn't to be trusted, but the Russian government is.
That is not what the CNN article says.
Blacklabel
CNN article did in fact say collapse. Even yesterday
Blacklabel
“Here are the key theories on what caused Ukraine’s catastrophic dam collapse”
Kakhovka dam collapse has made Black Sea a ‘garbage dump and animal cemetery,’ Ukraine warns
Russians shooting at rescuers in flooded areas following dam collapse, Zelensky says
Ukraine dam collapse serves neither side well as war enters next crucial phase
need more? It’s been the narrative since Day 1 at CNN- “collapse”.
Stig
It was 100% blown up. The Russians released a video showing it. One can't see on the video due to the large flash blocking out the view buy before the flash, everything was normal. After it subsided, the dam was in the process of failing.
But the Russians are saying it wasn't completely destroyed. The foundations are intact despite the Nasty regime opening all the gates of the upstream dam. They don't have to rebuild it from scratch.
Cards fan
Ah yes, I too only read the headlines. Are you kidding me? I can't be bothered to read the actual article. The third paragraph of the article:
Also, why do rightists here say the NYT can't be trusted, but they literally believe what the Russian government says? Tell me about propaganda.
EyesWideOpen
This is what's passing as journalism nowadays. How pathetic!
I used to read the NYT back in the day. Now can't stand the sorry state of journalism.
Blacklabel
cNN:
photographs taken a few days later, on 5 June, instead show significant damage to a section of the road that crowned the edge of the dam, damage that appears to have been caused by an external attack, perhaps by means of artillery shells. of artillery shells.
questions:
what day was the dam now “blown up”? June 6.
Then why do photos show damage on June 5th (the day before) that did not exist on 28 May?
Why does the damage appear to be from external artillery shells? but now it’s internal explosives?
flip meet flop.
Blacklabel
I love the liberal panic that sets in when they can’t decide if NYT is lying or CNN is lying when they push different narratives from different masters.
they haven’t even realized yet that both of them can be lying.
mind blown.
Cards fan
Lol I'm not panicking. I don't see any liberals here panicking either.
All I'm saying is:
1) it's quite funny to read posts from the rightists here claiming CNN said one thing when clearly they did not say that.
and
2) it's also utterly ironic that they would criticize western news as propaganda, and yet take the Russian government at their word. Now, tell me about "propaganda?"
itsonlyrocknroll
Is this, or could this mean the global community has accented/accepted the inevitably that the escalator of war is soon upon us again?
Ideological political differences cannot or will not compromise.
Freedom democracy with its flaws, or the iron jack boot of dictatorship?
ian
For NYT, if NYT says "evidence suggests" but didn't actually state what evidence it was then NYT is lying/ making things up.
So I asked what evidence in my first post I think .
Blacklabel
They said collapse. I posted 5 articles that said so.
the headline is the narrative. Like this:
Does the article have any such evidence? No, just a bunch of unnamed “engineers and explosives experts” “said” this or that. And oh wait….
So they don’t know and can’t prove it.
Mr Kipling
New York Times evidence?
Well that's sorted then...LOL